"Pro-lifers"
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> >And do you really think that the only thing adoptees are
> >looking for is medical history? As if! Many of them have
> >sugar coated romance novel fantasies of their "real" parents
> >and are quite often bitterly disapointed.
This is one of the silliest things I've ever read, its not about
"medical history" but it might be, its not about "inherited mental
disorder" but it might be...and for any thinking, reasoning human
it sure is NOT about the "candy coated romance novel relationship"
thing.LOL
In my case, its about curiousity if my bparents were immagrants, I
still know WHAT they are, if my bparents died in a car crash I still
know what THEY are, but, to have been adopted is entirely different,
there is a desire, maybe, to know what the heck went on, what the heck
do my bparents look like and maybe, just maybe(who really knows)
some sort of relationship as ADULTS (and why not).
As we know from many fine women here on a.a, some have reliquished
and gone on and had family's, and would actually LIKE to have contact,
some were even told they WOULD and don't so what kind of desire do
they have for contact? Having my children made me realize how tough a
decision reliquishing would be, for most people, and thats what fueled
the fire for my search.....abortion? Yeah right!
MSM
Lesley Dove
>In article <7in0ce$5nf$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>,
> Beckie Bush <bec...@presortservices.com> wrote:
>Does your boss know you goldbrick by chasing people online?
>Perhaps your employer should be informed.
>> > Because the women gave up the baby under the understanding that
>> > her identity WOULD BE CONCEALED. Not all children know family
>> > medical histories. My grandparents were all immigrants. I don't
>> > have much history, and my parents had less. Some people simply
>> > don't know who their parent(s) is(are) and they don't have any
>> > "right".
>> Hmm...you obviously aren't adopted, then. It's not a 'right' to know
>> your family history, sometimes it's needede, necessary.
>And what about people who don't know who their parents are,
>or were misinformed about the true identity of their parents?
>FAce it, the "medical history" is just an excuse. What about
>people who are so poor that they HAVE no medical records because
>they don't have access to health care? Family Medical history is nice to
>have, but scarcely necessary to getting tx for medical problems.
>> Your
>> grandparents were immigrants, yeah so? Your parents that you had
>access
>> to at some point in time or another are your BIOLOGICAL parents with
>> important BIOLOGICAL factors.
>However, since most of them didn't get much in the way of
>medical care, being poor immigrant farmers, we don't have
>much in the way of a family medical history, and NO knowledge
>of those who didn't emigrate.
>> Wouldn't you want to know if there was a
>> history of breast cancer in your family?
>No. No way of knowing, anyway. More people die of cancer
>these days because they aren't dying of infectious diseases.
>If you grandmother died young of influenza, her proneness
>for developing breast cancer is unknown. There are many factors
>in disease development.
>>Adoptees have NO way of
>> knowing that unless they CHOOSE (big word you like to use) to search
>> out their biological families. I was fortunate enough that my
>> biological parents left a detailed medical history in my file.
>How do you know that the father really was your father?
>And do you really think that the only thing adoptees are
>looking for is medical history? As if! Many of them have
>sugar coated romance novel fantasies of their "real" parents
>and are quite often bitterly disapointed.
>> BTW, what makes that "rapeling" any less of a human than you, Heretic?
>Never said she was less of a human.
>But she did show some disturbing sociopathic traits, and the woman
>who gave birth to her is TERRIFIED, and face it,
>you skank, YOU don't get to create HER reality.
>And there IS evidence that VIOLENT CRIMINAL BEHAVIOR IS HERITABLE.
>YOu seem to be all hot and bothered about your medical history.
>Well, personality traits and mental illness are ALSO part of your
>history.
>Do you identify with that nasty rapeling?
>Oh, and DO read the transcript, or would knowing what
>you are talking about be too much for you?
Heretic I am posting your venom to alt.adoption, I am sure a few
people with personal experience of the issues will set you right.
Lesley Dove
hereti...@my-deja.com
100706.n...@compuserve.com (Lesley Dove) wrote:
> hereti...@my-deja.com wrote:
>
> >In article <7in0ce$5nf$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>,
> > Beckie Bush <bec...@presortservices.com> wrote:
>
> >Does your boss know you goldbrick by chasing people online?
> >Perhaps your employer should be informed.
You didn't answer that question.
Does your boss know you use paid time to
shriek online how you wish my mother had aborted me?
Ya know, that really calls into question your stability.
Writing a post takes a certain amount of time and focussed
effort, unlike saying something. Certainly all of us say
thing we later regret, but to have such poor impulse control
as to write some of the shit YOU do, well, do you ever yell
at your alleged child how you wish YOU had aborted when you
get stressed out?
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> Heretic I am posting your venom to alt.adoption, I am sure a few
> people with personal experience of the issues will set you right.
That's trolling.
In fact, that is an egregious violation of netiquette, and
may ISPs don't like it very much.
Since you are using a work account, it might be in your
best interests to be a bit more circumspect.
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hereti...@my-deja.com
100706.n...@compuserve.com (Lesley Dove) wrote:
> hereti...@my-deja.com wrote:
D'OH!
IN my reply to this post, I confused
Lesley with Becky Bush!
Yeeks!
Never mind.
Lesley Dove
>In article <#5OMYodq#GA....@nih2naad.prod2.compuserve.com>,
> 100706.n...@compuserve.com (Lesley Dove) wrote:
>> hereti...@my-deja.com wrote:
>D'OH!
>IN my reply to this post, I confused
>Lesley with Becky Bush!
>Yeeks!
>Never mind.
Heretic, you have to learn to C-O-U-N-T the chevrons. You know those
little arrows in front of what I wrote and what Beckie wrote. The
person you are replying to gets one chevron, the person before them
gets two and so on. Got it now? Yes? Good.
Lesley Dove
Sue Tretter
<snip>
> > >And do you really think that the only thing adoptees are
> > >looking for is medical history? As if! Many of them have
> > >sugar coated romance novel fantasies of their "real" parents
> > >and are quite often bitterly disapointed.
> "medical history" but it might be, its not about "inherited mental
> disorder" but it might be...and for any thinking, reasoning human
> it sure is NOT about the "candy coated romance novel relationship"
> thing.LOL
I have read some notes from those who did seem to have the "candy coated
romance novel" mentality and who exercised at least a modicum of
"thinking, reasoning". Adoptees, birth parents, and adoptive parents
come in all varieties: why would there not be a few of the "candy
coated" variety? And what does it matter? The bottom line is equality
and civil rights for all whether rational or totally pixilated.
When Lincoln issued the Emancipation Proclamation, I don't recall any
sanity test prereq. Ditto with the Magna Carta. These are
one-size-fits-all documents, and so should an Adoptee Emancipation Proc.
be available to all, equally and without hindrances of any kind. Our
government must issue the equivalent of an adoptee eman. proc, or we
must be honest and say that adoption is a form of slavery, extending not
just for the adoptee's natural life, but well into his/her children's
lives.
> In my case, its about curiousity if my bparents were immagrants, I
> still know WHAT they are, if my bparents died in a car crash I still
> know what THEY are, but, to have been adopted is entirely different,
> there is a desire, maybe, to know what the heck went on, what the heck
> do my bparents look like and maybe, just maybe(who really knows)
> some sort of relationship as ADULTS (and why not).
Not all adoptees have that wish. Some truly couldn't care less or
actively and totally REJECT the idea of search/reunion, but all must
have the RIGHT to search and know, if they wish. As recently as the
1960s, there were some Blacks who considered the Civil Rights struggle
their foe, a potential danger. Civil rights for Blacks prevailed, and
so shall civil rights for adoptees, just as voting rights for women
became law despite vigorous opposition from men and women.
Best wishes. Sue T.
"Nothing in the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and
conscientious stupidity." Martin Luther King
Jrobnett1
>government must issue the equivalent of an adoptee eman. proc, or we
>must be honest and say that adoption is a form of slavery, extending not
>just for the adoptee's natural life, but well into his/her children's
>lives.
I think that statement is just *a little* over the top Sue. I agree with you
for the most part, but please don't start comparing adoption to slavery- it is
just not so. The intent is different, and the outcome is different- almost all
of the time.
Jeannette, The Oh So Smart Birthmom
Growth is the only evidence of life. -Cardinal Newman