Excerpt from the site: "In the Name of God" "The copper sculpture depicts a pregnant teenager in natural size crucified on a big cross. It is a harsh comment to the impact of the fundamentalist branch of the Christian church..."
> Excerpt from the site: > "In the Name of God" > "The copper sculpture depicts a pregnant teenager in natural size > crucified on a big cross. It is a harsh comment to the impact of the > fundamentalist branch of the Christian church..."
<> The copper sculpture depicts a pregnant teenager in natural size crucified on a big cross. It is a harsh comment to the impact of the fundamentalist branch of the Christian church, with President Bush and the Pope in the lead, on contraception and sexual education. Women, including teenagers, bear the brunt of the disastrous consequences of the ban on condoms based on ´Christian´ morality. <>
I searched for the word "adoption" on this site and came up empty. Although the sculpture is certainly provocative, I'm not aware of anyone here who opposes access to condoms or sexual education. Quite the contrary, I'm sure.
So, what's the purpose of posting it to this adoption newgroup, snookums? A pregnant teenager in this country is less likely relinquish her baby than her older, more educated counterpart.
She's 50+ times more likely to keep her child and 33+ times more likely to seek an abortion than to relinquish her baby for adoption, despite the best efforts of the Pope and GWB to deny her access to condoms and sexual education. Perhaps you could petition the artist to rename the sculpture "Di On The Cross".
I've got a couple of holocaust websites if you need them.
COPENHAGEN, Denmark (AP) - A provocative Danish artist raised a statue of a crucified pregnant teenager outside Copenhagen's Lutheran cathedral to mark World AIDS Day on Friday Jens Galschioet said the sculpture was meant as a protest against Christian fundamentalists and the idea that "God allows nothing but chastity and unprotected sex." He said he chose a pregnant teenager for his artwork "because they are the hardest hit by AIDS." Galschioet received permission from city authorities to erect the statue, named "In the Name of God," outside the cathedral. The statue raised few eyebrows in the secular Danish capital. Even the clergy appeared unmoved. "It's a good supplement to the crucifix we have inside the church," said Anders Gadegaard, the cathedral's dean. Galschioet said he would try to have copies of his statue displayed next year in Nairobi, Kenya, the Vatican and Dallas. In the 1990s, Galschioet set up statues with a pig's head in various European cities to address what he called growing racism and intolerance in Europe. In 1999, Hong Kong university students put up another of his sculptures honouring the victims of the 1989 massacre of pro-democracy protesters in Beijing's Tiananmen Square.
>> Excerpt from the site: >> "In the Name of God" >> "The copper sculpture depicts a pregnant teenager in natural size >> crucified on a big cross. It is a harsh comment to the impact of the >> fundamentalist branch of the Christian church..."
> <> The copper sculpture depicts a pregnant teenager in natural size > crucified on a big cross. It is a harsh comment to the impact of the > fundamentalist branch of the Christian church, with President Bush and > the Pope in the lead, on contraception and sexual education. Women, > including teenagers, bear the brunt of the disastrous consequences of > the ban on condoms based on ´Christian´ morality. <>
> I searched for the word "adoption" on this site and came up empty. > Although the sculpture is certainly provocative, I'm not aware of > anyone here who opposes access to condoms or sexual education. Quite > the contrary, I'm sure.
> So, what's the purpose of posting it to this adoption newgroup, > snookums? A pregnant teenager in this country is less likely > relinquish her baby than her older, more educated counterpart.
> She's 50+ times more likely to keep her child and 33+ times more likely > to seek an abortion than to relinquish her baby for adoption, despite > the best efforts of the Pope and GWB to deny her access to condoms and > sexual education. Perhaps you could petition the artist to rename the > sculpture "Di On The Cross".
> I've got a couple of holocaust websites if you need them.
> Dad
I agree with the concept. There should indeed be a harsh comment made '... to the impact of the fundamentalist branch of the Christian church, with President Bush and the Pope in the lead, on contraception and sexual education...' All of which has not a lot to do with adoption. But much to do with AIDS throughout the world. There are lot of babies born to teenage girls in Africa and the third world who are born HIV pos. That is down to the wrong moral attitude of the Church, isn't that the point Jens Galschiot is trying to make?
It's certainly not about forced adoption in the past as Di and her cronies seem to think. And, good protestant girls around these parts would have found it difficult to buy condoms. That at a time when GWB was still in short pants. In the 1950s and 60s the whole of society's attitudes were that no good girl should be having sex before marriage, therefore no need for contraception to be available to unmarried women.
I expect Di will be back shortly to insist that it was conceived, sculpted, cast and erected by Origins Inc or one of its tawdry little offshoots. Everything else is down them, why not this.
> > Excerpt from the site: > > "In the Name of God" > > "The copper sculpture depicts a pregnant teenager in natural size > > crucified on a big cross.
> Excerpt from the site: > "In the Name of God" > "The copper sculpture depicts a pregnant teenager in natural size > crucified on a big cross. It is a harsh comment to the impact of the > fundamentalist branch of the Christian church..."
Yawn. Been there, saw the crucifix in the jug of urine. Big deal.
You want something that will really offend, something really avant-garde? After all, that's the definition of art these days, speaking truth to power and offending the official political structure.
Here goes --
A copper sculpture of a pregnant teen half-buried in a pit being stoned by a group of middle-eastern men, in a harsh comment to the impact of the fundamentalist branch of Islam.
That won't happen. It'll never be done.
Why?
Because a fundamentalist Christian won't behead you.
>> Excerpt from the site: >> "In the Name of God" >> "The copper sculpture depicts a pregnant teenager in natural size >> crucified on a big cross. It is a harsh comment to the impact of the >> fundamentalist branch of the Christian church..."
> Yawn. Been there, saw the crucifix in the jug of urine. Big deal.
> You want something that will really offend, something really > avant-garde? After all, that's the definition of art these days, > speaking truth to power and offending the official political structure.
> Here goes --
> A copper sculpture of a pregnant teen half-buried in a pit being stoned > by a group of middle-eastern men, in a harsh comment to the impact of > the fundamentalist branch of Islam.
> That won't happen. It'll never be done.
> Why?
> Because a fundamentalist Christian won't behead you.
>>> Excerpt from the site: >>> "In the Name of God" >>> "The copper sculpture depicts a pregnant teenager in natural size >>> crucified on a big cross. It is a harsh comment to the impact of the >>> fundamentalist branch of the Christian church..."
>> Yawn. Been there, saw the crucifix in the jug of urine. Big deal.
>> You want something that will really offend, something really >> avant-garde? After all, that's the definition of art these days, >> speaking truth to power and offending the official political structure.
>> Here goes --
>> A copper sculpture of a pregnant teen half-buried in a pit being stoned >> by a group of middle-eastern men, in a harsh comment to the impact of >> the fundamentalist branch of Islam.
>> That won't happen. It'll never be done.
>> Why?
>> Because a fundamentalist Christian won't behead you.
>> steve
> The only blow up clinics and shoot doctors.
> Marley
Mind you, if Di had her way as a fundamentalist antiadoptionist
These stories need to be exposed and the culprits flogged within an inch of their lives....
.... I hope that social worker burns in hell. And the sooner the better..... preferably while she is still alive and tied to a stake.
<end quote>
Now where does that imagery come from?
I reckon Di and her cronies from 'Forgotten Mothers' wouldn't mind a few stonings and crucifixions if they could cast the first stone, hammer the nails in.
>> Excerpt from the site: >> "In the Name of God" >> "The copper sculpture depicts a pregnant teenager in natural size >> crucified on a big cross. It is a harsh comment to the impact of the >> fundamentalist branch of the Christian church..."
> Yawn. Been there, saw the crucifix in the jug of urine. Big deal.
> You want something that will really offend, something really > avant-garde? After all, that's the definition of art these days, > speaking truth to power and offending the official political structure.
> Here goes --
> A copper sculpture of a pregnant teen half-buried in a pit being stoned > by a group of middle-eastern men, in a harsh comment to the impact of > the fundamentalist branch of Islam.
> That won't happen. It'll never be done.
> Why?
> Because a fundamentalist Christian won't behead you.
No, they'll just beat you to death :P -- Robyn Resident Witchypoo #1557
> > Excerpt from the site: > > "In the Name of God" > > "The copper sculpture depicts a pregnant teenager in natural size > > crucified on a big cross. It is a harsh comment to the impact of the > > fundamentalist branch of the Christian church..."
> Yawn. Been there, saw the crucifix in the jug of urine. Big deal.
> You want something that will really offend, something really > avant-garde? After all, that's the definition of art these days, > speaking truth to power and offending the official political structure.
> Here goes --
> A copper sculpture of a pregnant teen half-buried in a pit being stoned > by a group of middle-eastern men, in a harsh comment to the impact of > the fundamentalist branch of Islam.
> That won't happen. It'll never be done.
Maybe not. I'd love to see it, though, if only as part of a larger history of humanity's ability to brutalize its members. We can represent all nations, each era, and every religious belief in a pantheon of pain.
> Why?
> Because a fundamentalist Christian won't behead you.
I'm not sure of the link between the two, Steve. I'd say the reason we won't see your particular concept in bronze (copper is so tacky) is that it doesn't happen here and an artist foolish enough to create it in an area where this occurs wouldn't be creating anything else.
> > A copper sculpture of a pregnant teen half-buried in a pit being > > stoned by a group of middle-eastern men, in a harsh comment to the > > impact of the fundamentalist branch of Islam.
> > That won't happen. It'll never be done.
> Maybe not. I'd love to see it, though, if only as part of a larger > history of humanity's ability to brutalize its members. We can > represent all nations, each era, and every religious belief in a > pantheon of pain.
Which would never be done by our brave artist who subscribes to the progressive mantra --
-- all cultures are equal except our own, which is inferior.
That's why he'll slam a fundamentalist Christian but not an Islamicist.
> > Why?
> > Because a fundamentalist Christian won't behead you.
> I'm not sure of the link between the two, Steve. I'd say the reason > we won't see your particular concept in bronze (copper is so tacky) > is that it doesn't happen here and an artist foolish enough to create > it in an area where this occurs wouldn't be creating anything else.
Link is pretty obvious to me. Fundamental Christians sometimes can be foolish (I kill snakes, I don't handle them), but overall they're pretty harmless. They recognize the secular and the religious spaces and see each as separate.
Our jihadi buddies don't see that difference whatsoever. Insult their prophet, insult their ways? Beheading, baby. Nothing less will do.
And our brave artist knows this. Which is why, in the safety and comfort of the western world, he'll make his inane 'statement' about fundamental Christians and garner the applause of knuckleheaded art critics and hippie chicks.
But he won't dare insult those who just might, possibly, conceivably, kill him. That wouldn't do. And it might happen here; witness the response to the Danish newspaper that published a few tacky cartoons.
Moral courage isn't something you generally find in today's art.
"Robibnikoff" <witchy...@broomstick.com> wrote: > > Here goes --
> > A copper sculpture of a pregnant teen half-buried in a pit being > > stoned by a group of middle-eastern men, in a harsh comment to the > > impact of the fundamentalist branch of Islam.
> > That won't happen. It'll never be done.
> > Why?
> > Because a fundamentalist Christian won't behead you.
> No, they'll just beat you to death :P
I must have missed that event, have a reference? I don't recall a fundamental Christian beating anyone to death after a brave, brave artist put a crucifix in a jug of urine and called it 'art'.
In article <YEPdh.162927$Fi1.2...@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>, "Marley Greiner" <maddogmar...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
> > Here goes --
> > A copper sculpture of a pregnant teen half-buried in a pit being > > stoned by a group of middle-eastern men, in a harsh comment to the > > impact of the fundamentalist branch of Islam.
> > That won't happen. It'll never be done.
> > Why?
> > Because a fundamentalist Christian won't behead you.
> The only blow up clinics and shoot doctors.
And remember the response to Eric Rudolph who gunned down an abortion doctor? I do --
A FBI task force led by people appointed by George Bush hunted Eric Rudolph down.
A Department of Justice led by people appointed by George Bush gathered the evicdence.
A federal prosecutor appointed by George Bush brought him to trial.
A judge appointed by George Bush ensured a fair trial and an appropriate sentence.
A federal prison run by people appointed by George Bush has him jugged today.
Damn that George Bush.
The clinic bombers? Caught, tried, convicted, jugged.
It's sad to see you buy the progressive mantra, I always thought you to be an anarchist republican.
> In article <YEPdh.162927$Fi1.2...@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>, > "Marley Greiner" <maddogmar...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
>> > Here goes --
>> > A copper sculpture of a pregnant teen half-buried in a pit being >> > stoned by a group of middle-eastern men, in a harsh comment to the >> > impact of the fundamentalist branch of Islam.
>> > That won't happen. It'll never be done.
>> > Why?
>> > Because a fundamentalist Christian won't behead you.
>> The only blow up clinics and shoot doctors.
> And remember the response to Eric Rudolph who gunned down an abortion > doctor? I do --
> A FBI task force led by people appointed by George Bush hunted Eric > Rudolph down.
> A Department of Justice led by people appointed by George Bush gathered > the evicdence.
> A federal prosecutor appointed by George Bush brought him to trial.
> A judge appointed by George Bush ensured a fair trial and an appropriate > sentence.
> A federal prison run by people appointed by George Bush has him jugged > today.
> Damn that George Bush.
> The clinic bombers? Caught, tried, convicted, jugged.
> It's sad to see you buy the progressive mantra, I always thought you to > be an anarchist republican.
> steve
And you don't think that the likes of Eric Rudolph and Paul Hill have big support with anti-aborts? Think again. There's whole "ministries" whose sole task is to aid and comfort them. The more "moderate" folks, like OSA, OR-W, etc make public statements against clinic violence but they support it clandestinely and quietly. One of our local doctors has put up a webpage where he documents clinic patients, posts their license plate numbers and also the personal information of abortion providers. It's one step behind the Nuremburg Files. This doctor also believes that abortion providers should be executed under God's law--not to mention gays and lesbians. I asked him once what happens if somebody takes him seriously and whacks a provider. He told me that's not his problem. These whiteboy Christian fundies are terrorists, but no much will be done about them. They hate Bush, too, whom they consider pro-abortion and pro-queer. the line goes from Dobson and Robertson right to Rudolph and Hill (Hill was associated with Regents) and the lesser scum. like Michael Bray, Fr. Marx, Johathan O'Toole, The Spingnolas, and Neal Horsley.
> In article <4tqk7jF144de...@mid.individual.net>, > "Robibnikoff" <witchy...@broomstick.com> wrote:
>> > Here goes --
>> > A copper sculpture of a pregnant teen half-buried in a pit being >> > stoned by a group of middle-eastern men, in a harsh comment to the >> > impact of the fundamentalist branch of Islam.
>> > That won't happen. It'll never be done.
>> > Why?
>> > Because a fundamentalist Christian won't behead you.
>> No, they'll just beat you to death :P
> I must have missed that event, have a reference? I don't recall a > fundamental Christian beating anyone to death after a brave, brave > artist put a crucifix in a jug of urine and called it 'art'.
So what? If you notice I didn't mention a specific incident. -- Robyn Resident Witchypoo #1557
>>> > A copper sculpture of a pregnant teen half-buried in a pit being >>> > stoned by a group of middle-eastern men, in a harsh comment to the >>> > impact of the fundamentalist branch of Islam.
>>> > That won't happen. It'll never be done.
>>> > Why?
>>> > Because a fundamentalist Christian won't behead you.
>>> No, they'll just beat you to death :P
>> I must have missed that event, have a reference? I don't recall a >> fundamental Christian beating anyone to death after a brave, brave >> artist put a crucifix in a jug of urine and called it 'art'.
And that's right where fundies have dunked it. Only they call it politics.
Steve White wrote: > In article <1165503374.623087.85...@79g2000cws.googlegroups.com>, > "J." <jmd...@aol.com> wrote:
> > > Here goes --
> > > A copper sculpture of a pregnant teen half-buried in a pit being > > > stoned by a group of middle-eastern men, in a harsh comment to the > > > impact of the fundamentalist branch of Islam.
> > > That won't happen. It'll never be done.
> > Maybe not. I'd love to see it, though, if only as part of a larger > > history of humanity's ability to brutalize its members. We can > > represent all nations, each era, and every religious belief in a > > pantheon of pain.
> Which would never be done by our brave artist who subscribes to the > progressive mantra --
> -- all cultures are equal except our own, which is inferior.
> That's why he'll slam a fundamentalist Christian but not an Islamicist.
> > > Why?
> > > Because a fundamentalist Christian won't behead you.
> > I'm not sure of the link between the two, Steve. I'd say the reason > > we won't see your particular concept in bronze (copper is so tacky) > > is that it doesn't happen here and an artist foolish enough to create > > it in an area where this occurs wouldn't be creating anything else.
> Link is pretty obvious to me. Fundamental Christians sometimes can be > foolish (I kill snakes, I don't handle them), but overall they're pretty > harmless. They recognize the secular and the religious spaces and see > each as separate.
> Our jihadi buddies don't see that difference whatsoever. Insult their > prophet, insult their ways? Beheading, baby. Nothing less will do.
Hadn't occurred to me that a western artist would be terribly concerned about being killed by jihadists, but what do I know.
> And our brave artist knows this. Which is why, in the safety and comfort > of the western world, he'll make his inane 'statement' about fundamental > Christians and garner the applause of knuckleheaded art critics and > hippie chicks.
> But he won't dare insult those who just might, possibly, conceivably, > kill him. That wouldn't do. And it might happen here; witness the > response to the Danish newspaper that published a few tacky cartoons.
> Moral courage isn't something you generally find in today's art.
Why limit it to art? I don't see much evidence of moral courage in society generally, except among the fringe elements, right, left, and in orbit. Go along and get along is the motto of the day.
>> Excerpt from the site: >> "In the Name of God" >> "The copper sculpture depicts a pregnant teenager in natural size >> crucified on a big cross. It is a harsh comment to the impact of the >> fundamentalist branch of the Christian church..."
><> The copper sculpture depicts a pregnant teenager in natural size >crucified on a big cross. It is a harsh comment to the impact of the >fundamentalist branch of the Christian church, with President Bush and >the Pope in the lead, on contraception and sexual education. Women, >including teenagers, bear the brunt of the disastrous consequences of >the ban on condoms based on "Christian" morality. <>
<above text left in place for context>
>She's 50+ times more likely to keep her child and 33+ times more likely >to seek an abortion than to relinquish her baby for adoption, despite >the best efforts of the Pope and GWB to deny her access to condoms and >sexual education. Perhaps you could petition the artist to rename the >sculpture "Di On The Cross".
These stats, I'm assuming, are USA based, right? The comment left in context above would surely MORE than apply to what GWB and his ilk have done to our cousins in 3rd world countries...unfortunately, I fail to note if there was mention of AIDS? No condoms! insists GWB, et al., along with preaching the grand gospel of abstinence, and we all know what a whale of a success that program has been. At its source this has nothing to do with adoption, so you're right on that score, Dad.
>>> Excerpt from the site: >>> "In the Name of God" >>> "The copper sculpture depicts a pregnant teenager in natural size >>> crucified on a big cross. It is a harsh comment to the impact of the >>> fundamentalist branch of the Christian church..."
>> Yawn. Been there, saw the crucifix in the jug of urine. Big deal.
>> You want something that will really offend, something really >> avant-garde? After all, that's the definition of art these days, >> speaking truth to power and offending the official political structure.
>> Here goes --
>> A copper sculpture of a pregnant teen half-buried in a pit being stoned >> by a group of middle-eastern men, in a harsh comment to the impact of >> the fundamentalist branch of Islam.
>> That won't happen. It'll never be done.
>> Why?
>> Because a fundamentalist Christian won't behead you.
>"Steve White" <swh...@you.still.don.t.get.this> wrote in message >news:swhite-D260C8.11373807122006@news.uchicago.edu... >> In article <YEPdh.162927$Fi1.2...@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>, >> "Marley Greiner" <maddogmar...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
>>> > Here goes --
>>> > A copper sculpture of a pregnant teen half-buried in a pit being >>> > stoned by a group of middle-eastern men, in a harsh comment to the >>> > impact of the fundamentalist branch of Islam.
>>> > That won't happen. It'll never be done.
>>> > Why?
>>> > Because a fundamentalist Christian won't behead you.
>>> The only blow up clinics and shoot doctors.
>> And remember the response to Eric Rudolph who gunned down an abortion >> doctor? I do --
>> A FBI task force led by people appointed by George Bush hunted Eric >> Rudolph down.
>> A Department of Justice led by people appointed by George Bush gathered >> the evicdence.
>> A federal prosecutor appointed by George Bush brought him to trial.
>> A judge appointed by George Bush ensured a fair trial and an appropriate >> sentence.
>> A federal prison run by people appointed by George Bush has him jugged >> today.
>> Damn that George Bush.
>> The clinic bombers? Caught, tried, convicted, jugged.
>> It's sad to see you buy the progressive mantra, I always thought you to >> be an anarchist republican.
>> steve
>And you don't think that the likes of Eric Rudolph and Paul Hill have big >support with anti-aborts? Think again. There's whole "ministries" whose >sole task is to aid and comfort them. The more "moderate" folks, like OSA, >OR-W, etc make public statements against clinic violence but they support >it clandestinely and quietly. One of our local doctors has put up a webpage >where he documents clinic patients, posts their license plate numbers and >also the personal information of abortion providers. It's one step behind >the Nuremburg Files. This doctor also believes that abortion providers >should be executed under God's law--not to mention gays and lesbians. I >asked him once what happens if somebody takes him seriously and whacks a >provider. He told me that's not his problem. These whiteboy Christian >fundies are terrorists, but no much will be done about them. They hate >Bush, too, whom they consider pro-abortion and pro-queer. the line goes >from Dobson and Robertson right to Rudolph and Hill (Hill was associated >with Regents) and the lesser scum. like Michael Bray, Fr. Marx, Johathan >O'Toole, The Spingnolas, and Neal Horsley.
>Marley
Leave it to our Marley to be so well informed about these gutter sucks. My only thought, alas, as I read steve's lil list was "My, goodnees! We surely did spend a whole ton of $$$$$$ on that pissant murdering SOB" ...and will continue to do so until his last putrid breath.
> >> Excerpt from the site: > >> "In the Name of God" > >> "The copper sculpture depicts a pregnant teenager in natural size > >> crucified on a big cross.
