Been Alive Too Long
richj
about this guy, you might agree his life has gone on longer than it should.
Teflon
From the texas attorney General's office:
Friday, February 11, 2005
Media Advisory: Dennis Wayne Bagwell Scheduled For Execution
AUSTIN-Texas Attorney General Greg Abbott offers the following information
about Dennis Wayne Bagwell, who is scheduled to be executed after 6 p.m.
Thursday, February 17, 2005. In November 1996, an Atascosa County jury found
Bagwell guilty of the 1995 capital murders of his mother, Leona McBee; her
14-year-old granddaughter, Tassy Boone; his half-sister, Libby Best; and her
4-year-old daughter, Reba Best. Bagwell was sentenced to death.
FACTS OF THE CRIME
Bagwell and his girlfriend, Victoria Wolford, were living in a small travel
trailer which Bagwell had parked on property in Wilson County that belonged
to his mother, Leona McBee, and stepfather, Ron Boone. McBee and Boone lived
on the property in a mobile home with a two bedroom addition. Libby Best,
Reba Best and Tassy Boone lived with McBee and Boone.
On returning home from work on September 20, 1995, Boone entered his home
and found the bodies of McBee, Libby Best, Reba Best and Tassy Boone. All
four were dead.
McBee and Tassy Boone had been strangled and had numerous bruises and
abrasions all over their bodies. Libby Best died from two gunshot wounds to
the head. Reba Best had been beaten about the head, neck and upper back with
a blunt object.
About two weeks before the killings, McBee asked Bagwell and Wolford to stop
living on the property. Bagwell and Wolford then moved in with friends in
San Antonio.
According to testimony at his trial, Bagwell expressed frustration to his
former stepmother two days before the killings that McBee had not paid him
for a travel trailer. Bagwell said he could kill his mother and it would
never bother him.
Wolford told authorities that she and Bagwell drove to his mother's house on
September 20, 1995, to borrow money. When they arrived, Wolford retired to
the travel trailer because she had a headache. A short time later, Bagwell
walked over to the travel trailer and told Wolford that his mother would
only give him $20.
Bagwell then went back into McBee's house. Wolford stood outside the travel
trailer. Through the window, Wolford saw Bagwell strike McBee, then heard
screams and two popping noises. She heard Tassy Boone yell, "No, no," and
heard Reba Best scream. Everything was quiet for a while, then she heard
McBee yell at the dogs and gasp for air. Through the window, she saw Bagwell
hit McBee with a long-handled gun.
Later, Bagwell took some towels and wetted them with a water hose. He wiped
off a hammer and told Wolford he was going to go inside and wipe off
fingerprints he might have left in the house. He told Wolford he was trying
to make the crime look like a robbery and rape of Tassy Boone.
PROCEDURAL HISTORY
On September 20, 1995, Bagwell was indicted by a Wilson County grand jury
for capital murder in the deaths of Leona McBee, Libby Best, Reba Best, and
Tassy Boone. A change of venue was granted and the case was transferred to
Atascosa County. On November 1, 1996, a jury found Bagwell guilty of capital
murder. On November 7, 1996, the court sentenced Bagwell to death. Bagwell
appealed his conviction and sentence to the Texas Court of Criminal Appeals,
which affirmed the conviction and sentence on March 31, 1999.
Bagwell filed an application for writ of habeas corpus in state district
court on September 28, 1998. After an evidentiary hearing, the district
court recommended that Bagwell be denied relief. The Texas Court of Criminal
Appeals adopted the district court's recommendation on September 29, 1999.
On March 3, 2000, Bagwell filed a habeas petition in a San Antonio federal
court. On August 19, 2003, the court denied Bagwell's federal writ petition.
Bagwell then sought permission to appeal from the 5th U.S. Circuit Court of
Appeals, but the court denied Bagwell's request on May 11, 2004. Later,
Bagwell filed a petition for writ of certiorari in the U.S. Supreme Court,
but the Court denied certiorari review on November 14, 2004.
PRIOR CRIMINAL HISTORY
At the punishment phase of his trial, the State presented overwhelming
evidence about Bagwell's future dangerousness. On September 27, 1982,
Bagwell was sentenced to eighteen years in state prison for attempted
capital murder, and he was on parole for this crime at the time of the 1995
capital murders. He also had a prior conviction for misdemeanor assault.
Additionally, the State proved that, only two weeks prior to the capital
murders, Bagwell had murdered the elderly custodian of a business in Seguin,
Texas. Further, Bagwell had a history of parole violations. He also had a
lengthy history of threats of violence, disciplinary violations and refusals
to accept psychiatric treatment while in prison. In fact, he had to wear leg
restraints during his capital murder trial because of numerous threats he
had made to law enforcement personnel. He was a frequent abuser of cocaine.
And, he told Victoria Wolford that his God "put me here to kill some people.
Dave Proctor
wrote:
>
>AUSTIN-Texas Attorney General Greg Abbott offers the following information
>about Dennis Wayne Bagwell, who is scheduled to be executed after 6 p.m.
>Thursday, February 17, 2005. In November 1996, an Atascosa County jury found
>Bagwell guilty of the 1995 capital murders of his mother, Leona McBee
I have never understood, and never will understand, how people can
kill their mothers. Putting aside the paternal relationship for a
moment, the maternal relationship should always be speciial, after
all, the person was *inside* his mother for nine months (or
thereabouts).
Dave
=====
NSW Rural Fire Service - become a volunteer today.
richj
"Dave Proctor" <thad...@SPAMBAIT.westnet.REMOVE.com.au> wrote in message
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I find it hard to understand how anyone kills without good cause. I
especially find it hard to understand killing for money or over a lover, but
it happens all the time.
A good many killings in the US occur because of drug useage. Personally, I
prefer the Communist chinese solution to dope dealing, but I don't think it
would pass the Supreme court.
Teflon
Teflon
Earl Evleth
<ric...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> I find it hard to understand how anyone kills without good cause. I
> especially find it hard to understand killing for money or over a lover, but
> it happens all the time.
>
> A good many killings in the US occur because of drug useage. Personally, I
> prefer the Communist chinese solution to dope dealing, but I don't think it
> would pass the Supreme court.
When you say drugs you should include alcohol.
from the web----
"2.5 million drug addicts"
"10 million alcoholics"
58% of adults drink lightly or moderately
33% do not drink
9% drink heavily
50% of all youthful deaths in drowning, fires, suicide and homicide are
alcohol related
**
I have ran across the numbers at one time that 50% of all homicides were
committed by murderers under the influence of alcohol. Central city
homicides might be very different since drugs play a big role there.
Some people are "mean drunks". I know personally of a case in my
own extended family, a nice guy when sober but mean as hell when he
is on a binge. Only that he, or God or someone would cure him
of his affliction, an affliction to both himself and the rest
of the family.
Earl
Donna Evleth
> From: Dave Proctor <thad...@SPAMBAIT.westnet.REMOVE.com.au>
> Newsgroups: alt.activism.death-penalty
> Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 01:28:49 +1100
> Subject: Re: Been Alive Too Long
>
> On Sun, 13 Feb 2005 07:54:13 -0600, "richj" <ric...@hotmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>>
>> AUSTIN-Texas Attorney General Greg Abbott offers the following information
>> about Dennis Wayne Bagwell, who is scheduled to be executed after 6 p.m.
>> Thursday, February 17, 2005. In November 1996, an Atascosa County jury found
>> Bagwell guilty of the 1995 capital murders of his mother, Leona McBee
>
> I have never understood, and never will understand, how people can
> kill their mothers. Putting aside the paternal relationship for a
> moment, the maternal relationship should always be speciial, after
> all, the person was *inside* his mother for nine months (or
> thereabouts).
>
> Dave
Believe it or not, in some cases there is no automatic mother/child bonding.
If there were, mothers would never kill their children. Why should the
reverse not be true? Especially if the mother proves physically or
psychologically abusive to the child after birth.
Donna Evleth
richj
"Earl Evleth" <evl...@wanadoo.fr> wrote in message
news:BE35587E.557FB%evl...@wanadoo.fr...
Booze is the best argument I know of for not fuly legalizing dope. As you
point out, the only legal intoxicating drug we have is a far larger problem
than illegal drugs as far as addiction. I cannot imagine the problems we
would have if all the currently illegal drugs were legal as well.
Teflon
j.rennie1
"richj" <ric...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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It would be a balance wouldn't it? At present a huge amount of crime is
committed by addicts to get the money to buy drugs and any amount of crime
is caused by the efforts of the drug barons to get the drugs to the addicts.
Legalise drugs, make them as respectable as alcohol and as cheap and that
crime will, after a time, disappear. Now in my experience of drug takers,
which admittedly is very limited, drugs do not seem to make the taker mean.
Indeed the very reverse is the case. I imagine a drugged person is just
the same as drunk when it comes to driving i.e dangerous but I don't think
we would get the rages and the killings associated with those rages. Of
course, the number of people who will kill themselves by overdosing will
rise exponentially especially in the period immediately after the change in
the law. But in time this rate will decline and anyway the user will have
had the right to use or not to use the drugs in the first place. So to
as I see it crime against others will decrease against a large rise in self
inflicted deaths. AT spresent we still let people smoke although it is
now universally recognised that smoking has a more than even chance of
killing the smoker. I suggest we take the same attitude with drugs, soft
and hard.
Mr Q. Z. Diablo
"j.rennie1" <j.re...@ntlworld.com> wrote:
> It would be a balance wouldn't it? At present a huge amount of crime is
> committed by addicts to get the money to buy drugs and any amount of crime
> is caused by the efforts of the drug barons to get the drugs to the addicts.
> Legalise drugs, make them as respectable as alcohol and as cheap and that
> crime will, after a time, disappear. Now in my experience of drug takers,
> which admittedly is very limited, drugs do not seem to make the taker mean.
> Indeed the very reverse is the case.
Depends upon the drug to be honest. Most pot smokers, as you might be
aware, are as mellow as pop culture portrays them.
Methamphetamine, on the other hand, can produce users who are
_extremely_ mean. Dealing with someone in the midst of speed psychosis
is a universally unpleasant experience.
> I suggest we take the same attitude with drugs, soft
> and hard.
Definitely the way to go.
--
Mr Q. Z. D.
richj
"j.rennie1" <j.re...@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
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Most drunks don't fight either, John, but those who do are a problem. I
guess you've never seen someone on meth or angel dust when they get upset.
Angel dust is just nasty. People on that stuff do not know their own
strength and often do harm to themselves by doing things like dislocating
their shoulders pulling their hands free of handcuffs, etc.
That brings to question which drugs you would legalize. Would you legalize
cocain, for example and accept all the emotional baggage which goes with it?
Ever seen a crack head or a meth freak? They would smoke the stuff twenty
four hours a day, seven days a week if they had enough of it.
It isn't a balancing act, John. We couldn't afford all the hospital bills,
and the drug convictions missed by legalizing the stuff woujld more than be
made up with mental war bills and criminal prosecutions for violent acts
committed under the influence.
Chances are, the number of dope addicts would eventually equal the number of
drunks we now have and instead of just having a couple of million addicts,
we's have ten to twelve million hard core addicts as well as the equal
number of druniks.
Teflon
>
richj
"Mr Q. Z. Diablo" <sa...@dodo.com.au> wrote in message
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Yep. Kill em all and let God sort them out.
Teflon
Jim Noles
are not problems. We pretty well know they are problems. Just look
at dogbreath. The fact is that prohibition failed just because we tried to
put this artificial lid on it, and ended up making some very bad people
very rich. As we do with drugs not being legal. While we should look
to making them legal, but more tightly controlled than alcohol and even
distributed only through government sources.
The demand is there, and in a supply and demand market, the illegal
drug market now controls the supply and the price. We can kill or
imprison a drug lord, and there are 100 eager to take his place. We
can close down one pipeline, and 100 more spring up. Because the
money drives this product to market. And in fact, if we dry up one
particular chain, the price simply goes up, in that supply and demand
market, and then the user needs more money, and will probably turn
to more and more crime. He will not consider the increased price as
any incentive to quit, but as an incentive to find more money to pay
for the same amount of product. And locking up the user is simply
no solution. Only if we control the market itself, rather than try to
simply blockage it with artificial barriers can we drive out the distribution
chains, the drug lords, the drug distributors, and the drug dealer on
the street. IMO.
JN
Earl Evleth
<ric...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Booze is the best argument I know of for not fuly legalizing dope. As you
> point out, the only legal intoxicating drug we have is a far larger problem
> than illegal drugs as far as addiction. I cannot imagine the problems we
> would have if all the currently illegal drugs were legal as well.
The one aspect of alcohol is that in some cultures it has had a long
time to be socially controlled. Still that control was not always
good.
I think the big damage to western world came with the development
of distillates. Gin generated terrible damage to England in
the early 1600s. The consumption of whiskey in the US was particularly
high the early 1800s and created a lot of social damage. Prohibition
movements occurred with varying strengths from even before the
Revolutionary War. The attempt to make alcohol essentially illegal
failed was we all know.
Perhaps there is a better way of approaching this.
Excessive wine consumption was a problem in France around 1900 but
progressive the average consumption has dropped to about a third
now of that level. Why? First alcoholism was well recognized
and actively combated by the government. Advertising was limited
and TV does have adds warning about its effects. I think social
guarantees help. Mostly, consumption of wine, as with the Jews,
is partly a social activity done with other people, at meal time.
And the push to consume better more expensive quality wines
in less quantity.
More recently the police have cracked down on driving while
under the influence and can stop anybody at any time and
administer an alcohol test. This has cut road deaths in
the last couple of years.
As for drugs, I am against the criminalization of their use.
The war on drugs has not succeeded and has created a hugely
funded bureaucracy which does not appear to be making progress.
I have a book, which I read last year "The Pursuit of Oblivion,
A social history of drugs" by Richard Davenport-Hines which
I recommend. There is plenty of evident that what the US
and British Governments have done in the drug area have
been counterproductive, minimally they don't work.
The problem is to chose a course of action which avoids
criminalization but brings the situation under proper
social control. As with alcoholism, one will not 100% succeed
so forget the "zero tolerance" bit.
We no longer drink whiskey and concentrated distillates, our
consumption is limited to wine at diner or beer with friends.
When traveling we don't generally consume wine at lunch or if
we do in a good restaurant, we share a half bottle. With a meal
one does not feel a half of a half a bottle.
Whatever, eventually "social control" means self-control.
Earl
richj
Earl, I'm surprised at you! A liberal calling for harsher penalties against
a set of srug abusers? Everyone knows it isn't their fault, it is the booze
that makes them do it!
>
> As for drugs, I am against the criminalization of their use.
> The war on drugs has not succeeded and has created a hugely
> funded bureaucracy which does not appear to be making progress.
So, based on your views about DUI, we are perhaps not tough enough on drug
users. Perhaps the problem is that we haven't yet gotten strict enough.
>
> I have a book, which I read last year "The Pursuit of Oblivion,
> A social history of drugs" by Richard Davenport-Hines which
> I recommend. There is plenty of evident that what the US
> and British Governments have done in the drug area have
> been counterproductive, minimally they don't work.
> The problem is to chose a course of action which avoids
> criminalization but brings the situation under proper
> social control. As with alcoholism, one will not 100% succeed
> so forget the "zero tolerance" bit.
That's not necessarily what all advocates of decriminalization call for,
though. They want to see a free market.like we have on booze. Personally,
I think that would be a shambles. Some of the dope out there doesn't mellow
people out, you know.
>
> We no longer drink whiskey and concentrated distillates, our
> consumption is limited to wine at diner or beer with friends.
> When traveling we don't generally consume wine at lunch or if
> we do in a good restaurant, we share a half bottle. With a meal
> one does not feel a half of a half a bottle.
Yes, but is that totally by choice, or simply because you've learned that
the body will not take the abuse as it did when younger. In my case,
drinking and diabetes are countradicted. As a consequence, I drink VERY
sparingly indeed. I assure you that isn't by choice, and occasionally I
still fight a round or two with John Barleycorn. Yes, he still wins, and
the aftermath of our battle is brutal.
>
> Whatever, eventually "social control" means self-control.
>
> Earl
Self control is something, unfortunately, many addicts have little of. Of
course, I guess that would be a self controlling situation. Those who
couldn't limit their intake would simply die by overdose.
This is for John and all the others, though. Even if the drugs were free,
what makes you think things would be better? Booze is controlled, but quite
cheap here, and still causes tremendous problems. Go to skid row of any
city and walk through the back alleys. Better yet, take several liters of
cheap wine with you and see how long it tales to give them out. I suggest
Thunderbird, Sweetheart., or the prince of wino choices MD 20/20.
Teflon
Earl Evleth
<ric...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> More recently the police have cracked down on driving while
>> under the influence and can stop anybody at any time and
>> administer an alcohol test. This has cut road deaths in
>> the last couple of years.
> Earl, I'm surprised at you! A liberal calling for harsher penalties against
> a set of srug abusers? Everyone knows it isn't their fault, it is the booze
> that makes them do it!
This kind of abuse hurts others. And police action has proved effective.
It is irresponsible, immoral to put people in harms way.
The police action is preventative in nature and not punitive.
The young in France like to go out for an evening at some discotheque.
They drink too much and get into accidents. On TV the other night
had a story on one community which pays taxi cabs for the evening to
take they young back home free.
>> As for drugs, I am against the criminalization of their use.
>> The war on drugs has not succeeded and has created a hugely
>> funded bureaucracy which does not appear to be making progress.
>
> So, based on your views about DUI, we are perhaps not tough enough on drug
> users. Perhaps the problem is that we haven't yet gotten strict enough.
I stress again the preventative aspects. Like with murder, instead of
killing murderers I prefer preventing murders. The 1990s were that.
Remember the stories of the sheriffs requiring that the cowboys check
their weapons at the town limit when coming in for the evening at
the saloon? Prevention. Lott would prefer everybody armed to the
teeth, but I don`t think guns and alcohol mix, neither did Bat
Masterson.
>> I have a book, which I read last year "The Pursuit of Oblivion,
>> A social history of drugs" by Richard Davenport-Hines which
>> I recommend. There is plenty of evident that what the US
>> and British Governments have done in the drug area have
>> been counterproductive, minimally they don't work.
>> The problem is to chose a course of action which avoids
>> criminalization but brings the situation under proper
>> social control. As with alcoholism, one will not 100% succeed
>> so forget the "zero tolerance" bit.
>
> That's not necessarily what all advocates of decriminalization call for,
> though. They want to see a free market.like we have on booze. Personally,
> I think that would be a shambles. Some of the dope out there doesn't mellow
> people out, you know.
Not all seek free sale. One level is allowing controlled drug access to
addicts. Decriminalization does not have to be complete. I remember
a time when the possession of one marijuana cigarette got 20 years
in Texas. I think hard drug addiction is naturally limited to a certain
fraction of the population almost regardless to the ease of access.
The number of cocaine and heroine addicts is limited and pretty
constant. Speed may be a bigger problem than both and possibly
more dangerous.
>> We no longer drink whiskey and concentrated distillates, our
>> consumption is limited to wine at diner or beer with friends.
>> When traveling we don't generally consume wine at lunch or if
>> we do in a good restaurant, we share a half bottle. With a meal
>> one does not feel a half of a half a bottle.
>
> Yes, but is that totally by choice, or simply because you've learned that
> the body will not take the abuse as it did when younger. In my case,
> drinking and diabetes are countradicted. As a consequence, I drink VERY
> sparingly indeed. I assure you that isn't by choice, and occasionally I
> still fight a round or two with John Barleycorn. Yes, he still wins, and
> the aftermath of our battle is brutal.
France has fairly mild drinking habits. I don't remember when I last
saw a drunk person on the street, other that a bum.
>> Whatever, eventually "social control" means self-control.
>>
>> Earl
>
> Self control is something, unfortunately, many addicts have little of. Of
> course, I guess that would be a self controlling situation. Those who
> couldn't limit their intake would simply die by overdose.
There is a lot comparative with respect to alcoholism. The problem is
that alcoholism is worse yet we have no war on alcoholism!
Why? A lot of people drink, there are vested interests that work
against giving alcohol a bad name.
> This is for John and all the others, though. Even if the drugs were free,
> what makes you think things would be better?
No not worse and not better. Except that the prisons would be
depopulated and it would but a lot of łlaw enforcement˛ people
out of work (who might take drugs or drink to combat the
stress!).
>Booze is controlled, but quite cheap here, and still causes tremendous
problems.
In some counties it is now allowed. I remember a friend of mine from North
Florida saying they had county by county prohibition. The sheriff one
county would control the flow of booze into the adjoining dry country.
What is the rule in Texas now? At one time people brought the own bottle
to the restaurants since the łstuff˛ was not sold there. The restaurants
provided the łset ups˛.
America suffered from a case of anarchy in this area. As recently as the
70s we remember being refused wine service in a restaurant (the law) in
Kansas, beer only. However we could have our dinners service in the bar
where wine was served! 50 different states. 50 different laws. France
has over 80 departments, one law.
One thing is certain;, France matches the US in stupid drug related laws.
Earl
Donna Evleth
> From: "j.rennie1" <j.re...@ntlworld.com>
> Organization: ntlworld News Service
> Newsgroups: alt.activism.death-penalty
> Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 00:03:59 GMT
> Subject: Re: Been Alive Too Long
>
> Now in my experience of drug takers,
> which admittedly is very limited, drugs do not seem to make the taker mean.
> Indeed the very reverse is the case. I imagine a drugged person is just
> the same as drunk when it comes to driving i.e dangerous but I don't think
> we would get the rages and the killings associated with those rages.
It depends on the drug. Marijuana and heroin are depressants, cocaine and
amphetamines are stimulants. The stimulant drugs can trigger violence. I
have a very old friend whose brother was an amphetamine addict, or "speed
freak" as the slang term has it, and she told me she was afraid of him,
because of his violent temper when using, which was most of the time. He
was very mean, she told me.
Donna Evleth
richj
Neither do I, Earl. I have always had a hard and fast rule at my home as
well as at the hunting camp. No firearms while drinking, period. While
drinking and under the influence all firearms will be locked up.
>
>>> I have a book, which I read last year "The Pursuit of Oblivion,
>>> A social history of drugs" by Richard Davenport-Hines which
>>> I recommend. There is plenty of evident that what the US
>>> and British Governments have done in the drug area have
>>> been counterproductive, minimally they don't work.
>>> The problem is to chose a course of action which avoids
>>> criminalization but brings the situation under proper
>>> social control. As with alcoholism, one will not 100% succeed
>>> so forget the "zero tolerance" bit.
>>
>> That's not necessarily what all advocates of decriminalization call for,
>> though. They want to see a free market.like we have on booze.
>> Personally,
>> I think that would be a shambles. Some of the dope out there doesn't
>> mellow
>> people out, you know.
>
> Not all seek free sale. One level is allowing controlled drug access to
> addicts.
Which addicts? Remember, liberals here tend to go whole hog. The ACLU is
liable to join in a civil rights law suit if you say only pot, heroin, and
cocaine addicts while leaving out the meth and crack heads. And what about
the people using angel dust or designer drugs?
Decriminalization does not have to be complete. I remember
> a time when the possession of one marijuana cigarette got 20 years
> in Texas. I think hard drug addiction is naturally limited to a certain
> fraction of the population almost regardless to the ease of access.
Do you think? I do not. While I believe there are people genetically
predisposed to addiction, I bellieve anyonje can become addicted, especially
with the more addictive drugs such as cocaine and meth.
> The number of cocaine and heroine addicts is limited and pretty
> constant.
Is it, or would unlimited access to cheap and safe drugs create a situation
such as we have with booze where ten times more people are addicted?
Speed may be a bigger problem than both and possibly
> more dangerous.
Cocaine is just as dangerous as Meth, and both act pretty much the same.
Meth addcits seem to be a bit more inclined to violence, however, while
crack users seem a bit more paranoid as a rule.
Then there's those who like to use angel dust.
>
>>> We no longer drink whiskey and concentrated distillates, our
>>> consumption is limited to wine at diner or beer with friends.
>>> When traveling we don't generally consume wine at lunch or if
>>> we do in a good restaurant, we share a half bottle. With a meal
>>> one does not feel a half of a half a bottle.
>>
>> Yes, but is that totally by choice, or simply because you've learned that
>> the body will not take the abuse as it did when younger. In my case,
>> drinking and diabetes are countradicted. As a consequence, I drink VERY
>> sparingly indeed. I assure you that isn't by choice, and occasionally I
>> still fight a round or two with John Barleycorn. Yes, he still wins, and
>> the aftermath of our battle is brutal.
>
> France has fairly mild drinking habits. I don't remember when I last
> saw a drunk person on the street, other that a bum.
I sas asking why You cut down. Is it a result of your environment or
physical limitations?
>
>>> Whatever, eventually "social control" means self-control.
>>>
>>> Earl
>>
>> Self control is something, unfortunately, many addicts have little of.
>> Of
>> course, I guess that would be a self controlling situation. Those who
>> couldn't limit their intake would simply die by overdose.
>
> There is a lot comparative with respect to alcoholism. The problem is
> that alcoholism is worse yet we have no war on alcoholism!
We tried. Do you remember the stories of Carrie Nation and the movement she
led? Hell, are you old enough to remember her??
<just kidding>
>
> Why? A lot of people drink, there are vested interests that work
> against giving alcohol a bad name.
>
>> This is for John and all the others, though. Even if the drugs were
>> free,
>> what makes you think things would be better?
>
> No not worse and not better. Except that the prisons would be
> depopulated and it would but a lot of łlaw enforcement˛ people
> out of work (who might take drugs or drink to combat the
> stress!).
So the same basic problems would still be there, we just wouldn't prosecute
them so everything would be better, eh?
>
>>Booze is controlled, but quite cheap here, and still causes tremendous
> problems.
>
> In some counties it is now allowed. I remember a friend of mine from
> North
> Florida saying they had county by county prohibition. The sheriff one
> county would control the flow of booze into the adjoining dry country.
Texas also has wet and dry counties. I gerw up in one, but all I had to do
was to go to an adjacent country where booze was sold and purchase what I
wanted. If I kept my purchases to 'non commercial' amounts (usually
specified as a case of beer and a bottle of liquir per person of legal age
in the car) there was nothing the cops could do. I suspect the same thing
is true in Florida.
>
> What is the rule in Texas now? At one time people brought the own bottle
> to the restaurants since the łstuff˛ was not sold there. The restaurants
> provided the łset ups˛.
Texas still has wet and dry areas. (For the unaware, we are speaking of
areas where liquor, beer, or wine is not legally sold to the public and
counties where there are liquor stores allowed.) In the wet areas,
'private' club memberships are allowed. Used to be you paid a litttle to
belong to the club membership and they could serve you booze. Now a days
the memberships are free, and many places use a 'unicard' identifcation
system where one card is good at clubs all over town.
In other words, it's pretty wide open and has been for a while. Their big
thing now is attempting to keep slot machines out of grocery stores. The
things don't pay off in cash, but in prizes which the winner takes home.
Cheap TV sets, dolls, etc.
I stay away from the things. If I'm going to get robbed, I want to have an
opportunity to make money once in a while rather than a $50 TV set I don't
need.
>
> America suffered from a case of anarchy in this area. As recently as the
> 70s we remember being refused wine service in a restaurant (the law) in
> Kansas, beer only. However we could have our dinners service in the bar
> where wine was served! 50 different states. 50 different laws. France
> has over 80 departments, one law.
Yeah, were that's a basic difference between the US and most other European
nations. We have clearly divided state and federal rights.
>
> One thing is certain;, France matches the US in stupid drug related laws.
>
> Earl
Sounds like a local problem to me!
Teflon
richj
"Donna Evleth" <dev...@wanadoo.fr> wrote in message
news:BE36C1FE.CBE%dev...@wanadoo.fr...
Don't forget PCP (Phencyclidine), Donna. Called Angel Dust on the streets,
this tranqualizer caused unpredictable reactions in people that have to be
seen to be believed.
Teflon
Donna Evleth
> From: "richj" <ric...@hotmail.com>
> Newsgroups: alt.activism.death-penalty
> Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 15:23:58 -0600
> Subject: Re: Been Alive Too Long
>
>> We no longer drink whiskey and concentrated distillates, our
>>>> consumption is limited to wine at diner or beer with friends.
>>>> When traveling we don't generally consume wine at lunch or if
>>>> we do in a good restaurant, we share a half bottle. With a meal
>>>> one does not feel a half of a half a bottle.
>>>
>>> Yes, but is that totally by choice, or simply because you've learned that
>>> the body will not take the abuse as it did when younger. In my case,
>>> drinking and diabetes are countradicted. As a consequence, I drink VERY
>>> sparingly indeed. I assure you that isn't by choice, and occasionally I
>>> still fight a round or two with John Barleycorn. Yes, he still wins, and
>>> the aftermath of our battle is brutal.
>>
>> France has fairly mild drinking habits. I don't remember when I last
>> saw a drunk person on the street, other that a bum.
>
> I sas asking why You cut down. Is it a result of your environment or
> physical limitations?
It was environment. We fell into the French habit of having wine with our
dinner. The American pattern had been a couple of scotch and waters before
dinner. We got into the new pattern during the first time we lived in
France, when Earl had a postdoctoral fellowship. That was in 1966. We
liked it, and never went back to the old one. At that time we were
respectively 35 and 31, and had no physical limitations.
Donna Evleth
richj
That was YOUR American pattern, Donna. I grew up having wine with meals.
My mother preferred sparkling wines while my father liked classic Italians.
My wife enjoys New York Lake wines and Rhines, while I like Cabernets from
California and some Rhines.
And oh yes, I still have an occasional single malt whiskey, but usually with
a friend in mid afternoon.
Teflon
Mr Q. Z. Diablo
"richj" <ric...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> "Donna Evleth" <dev...@wanadoo.fr> wrote in message
> news:BE379640.D47%dev...@wanadoo.fr...
> > It was environment. We fell into the French habit of having wine with our
> > dinner. The American pattern had been a couple of scotch and waters
> > before
> > dinner. We got into the new pattern during the first time we lived in
> > France, when Earl had a postdoctoral fellowship. That was in 1966. We
> > liked it, and never went back to the old one. At that time we were
> > respectively 35 and 31, and had no physical limitations.
> >
> > Donna Evleth
> >
>
> That was YOUR American pattern, Donna.
I'm surprised that you had to post the above, Richard. It was quite
clear that it was what Donna meant. The key words are "had been",
indicating that she was referring to herself and Earl.
richj
Actually she said "The American pattern..." Q. That indicates to me that it
is usual in most American homes for highballs to be served prior to supper.
I find that an innacurate representation.
Well, perhaps it's accurate for California. God knows they need to drink to
live out there.
Teflon
Mr Q. Z. Diablo
"richj" <ric...@hotmail.com> wrote:
"The American pattern had been...", Richard. Fair dos.
Earl Evleth
> Actually she said "The American pattern..." Q. That indicates to me that it
> is usual in most American homes for highballs to be served prior to supper.
> I find that an innacurate representation.
It tends to be associated with a festive occasion and in the home when
people come for dinner or sometimes just a drink. Our friends offer
beer but most households will have a selection of stuff to drink.
These are light consumptions, a common drink, the kir, is a glass of
white wine with a little fruit liqueur. If the occasion is really very
festive then it is champagne or a "kir Royale" with champagne replacing
the white wine. French heavier consumption of alcohol tends to be
on social occasions. Serious "alone" drinking it done in a café
with other people around. Some men will stop and have a "demi" beer
at the café (which will have a choice of several draft from the tap)
on their way home, if the day has been stressful. Or a glass or two
of wine.
My father always had several scotch and waters before nearly every dinner.
When I reflect back he drank top "unwind" at the end of the day. He
had heavy responsibilities raising 4 kids during the depression years.
He never showed any anxiety over this but this consumption plus
his 3 packs a day smoking (which he gave up in his 50s) indicated
that he did feel the pressure.
His level of consumption was pretty well matched in the rest of the family,
although as I indicated alcohol (and drugs) did not become a problem
except in the grandchildren. That deep problem may have been imported since
one of my siblings spouses was an alcoholic.
I posted otherwise are article on "binging" saying that 23% of Americans have
gone on one. That is a high rate considering a general problem.
It does not match the more serious damage alcohol does in Russia however.
Earl
Donna Evleth
> From: "richj" <ric...@hotmail.com>
> Newsgroups: alt.activism.death-penalty
> Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 09:13:45 -0600
We were a little closer to Prohibition than you were, I think. When my
parents were married, prohibition was still on. My mother told the story of
living next door to a speakeasy, and constantly getting people ringing her
doorbell when they wanted the neighbors. During that time the vineyards in
California were mostly torn out. It took a while for good quality wine to
return. When we returned from France at the end of 1966 we found a lot of
good California wines in our own area. Thus we switched to the American
pattern you describe.
Incidentally, if one is going to drink scotch, single malt is the only way
to go. My aunt and uncle and I (who followed the American pattern I was
brought up with) once had a comparison test. There was all the difference
in the world between the single malt and the other.
Donna Evleth
>
>
Donna Evleth
> From: "richj" <ric...@hotmail.com>
> Newsgroups: alt.activism.death-penalty
> Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 18:06:23 -0600
> Subject: Re: Been Alive Too Long
>
>
I should have been more clear. It was the pattern in my family, and in
Earl's family. They all lived in California, but they were originally all
from the Midwest, Illinois for my family, Minnesota for Earl's.
The Midwest food my family and Earl's grew up with was terrible. Overcooked
and tasteless. They surely needed a drink before to live through the meal
to come:-)
Donna Evleth
>
>
richj
Perhaps. My father was born in 1914.
>
> Incidentally, if one is going to drink scotch, single malt is the only way
> to go. My aunt and uncle and I (who followed the American pattern I was
> brought up with) once had a comparison test. There was all the difference
> in the world between the single malt and the other.
>
> Donna Evleth
I've heard the difference compared to the difference between dago red, and a
great vintage wine. Blended whiskey is OK under some lables, but single
malts, especially the better ones, are simply a step above. (price wise
too!)
Teflon
>>
>>
>
richj
I'll second that! Those folks don't use much spice at all!
Overcooked
> and tasteless. They surely needed a drink before to live through the meal
> to come:-)
It was probably the only thing with taste in their lives.
Teflon
>
> Donna Evleth
>>
>>
>
j.rennie1
snip
>
> Incidentally, if one is going to drink scotch, single malt is the only way
> to go. My aunt and uncle and I (who followed the American pattern I was
> brought up with) once had a comparison test. There was all the difference
> in the world between the single malt and the other.
>
> Donna Evleth
>>
>>
>
What's your favourite single malt, Donna? I hope you
drink it neat.
richj
Neat is best, but it's also good with just a few drops of water to release
the aroma more. I drink it from brandy snifters.
Donna Evleth
> From: "richj" <ric...@hotmail.com>
> Newsgroups: alt.activism.death-penalty
> Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 06:18:37 -0600
My father was born in 1902, my mother in 1905. Earl's parents were born
even earlier, in the 1890s.
>
>>
>> Incidentally, if one is going to drink scotch, single malt is the only way
>> to go. My aunt and uncle and I (who followed the American pattern I was
>> brought up with) once had a comparison test. There was all the difference
>> in the world between the single malt and the other.
>>
>> Donna Evleth
>
> I've heard the difference compared to the difference between dago red, and a
> great vintage wine. Blended whiskey is OK under some lables, but single
> malts, especially the better ones, are simply a step above. (price wise
> too!)
>
> Teflon
I try not to think about the price when I buy it. We always keep some for
guests. We have a New York friend who drinks both wine and scotch (single
malt only of course).
Donna Evleth
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>
Donna Evleth
> From: "richj" <ric...@hotmail.com>
> Newsgroups: alt.activism.death-penalty
> Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 06:20:17 -0600
Richard, you hit the nail right on the head!
>
Donna Evleth
Donna Evleth
> From: "j.rennie1" <j.re...@ntlworld.com>
> Organization: ntlworld News Service
> Newsgroups: alt.activism.death-penalty
> Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 12:45:40 GMT
> Subject: Re: Been Alive Too Long
>
>
I don't have a real favourite at this point, as I don't drink it very often.
But neat, always neat.
Donna Evleth
>
>
Earl Evleth
Evleth" <dev...@wanadoo.fr> wrote:
> I try not to think about the price when I buy it. We always keep some for
> guests. We have a New York friend who drinks both wine and scotch (single
> malt only of course).
>
> Donna Evleth
That is Joe, who has a basement cellar filled with cases of wine. His place
looks like a wine depot.
Ironically, he is conservative and obviously pro-American but only buys
French wines. For years I challenged his wines with California wines and
on one visit, we had a blind tasting of Cabernets from California and
Bordeaux, in Bordeaux, by a blind French Chemist! California won that
particular competition.
That was years ago so I don`t know what good California wines taste like
now. Some of the best run over $50 a bottle and one has to have really
great food to drink that expensive a wine with. Since the US does not
normally have great restaurants (although some French restaurants in NY
are very good) I have not had the occasion to drink great California wines
recently. Another disappointing thing is that I ran into a number of
bottles, bought at the same time at the same wine merchant in California
which tasted different. French wine are pretty consistent so one is
not disappointed in the same fashion. Moreover, on getting older
I find myself being satisfied with ordinary good but not great wines.
Tonight we will have a Cahor red, probably, at "La Dame Brune" in the
11th. That is a rough southern red wine have no particular outstanding
qualities. The town is pretty, however.
Earl
j.rennie1
Mid-West food? Give us euros a typical menu. Over cooking was once the
great British sin.
richj
I keep both a blended and a single malt in the cabinet. My acquaitances get
the blended. My good friends the single malt, and if someone comes over I
cannot stand, I offer him tequilla.
Teflon
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
richj
> On 16/02/05 17:55, in article BE3939AB.1068%dev...@wanadoo.fr, "Donna
> Evleth" <dev...@wanadoo.fr> wrote:
>
>> I try not to think about the price when I buy it. We always keep some
>> for
>> guests. We have a New York friend who drinks both wine and scotch
>> (single
>> malt only of course).
>>
>> Donna Evleth
>
>
> That is Joe, who has a basement cellar filled with cases of wine. His
> place
> looks like a wine depot.
>
> Ironically, he is conservative and obviously pro-American but only buys
> French wines. For years I challenged his wines with California wines and
> on one visit, we had a blind tasting of Cabernets from California and
> Bordeaux, in Bordeaux, by a blind French Chemist! California won that
> particular competition.
>
> That was years ago so I don`t know what good California wines taste like
> now. Some of the best run over $50 a bottle and one has to have really
> great food to drink that expensive a wine with. Since the US does not
> normally have great restaurants (although some French restaurants in NY
> are very good) I have not had the occasion to drink great California wines
Some of the best restaurants are not restuarants. My youngest once worked
under a well known Master Chef at a country club in Houston, Texas.
> recently. Another disappointing thing is that I ran into a number of
> bottles, bought at the same time at the same wine merchant in California
> which tasted different. French wine are pretty consistent so one is
> not disappointed in the same fashion. Moreover, on getting older
> I find myself being satisfied with ordinary good but not great wines.
> Tonight we will have a Cahor red, probably, at "La Dame Brune" in the
> 11th. That is a rough southern red wine have no particular outstanding
> qualities. The town is pretty, however.
I've found consistency in both smaller and larger vineyards. Some wines are
not transported and handled properly on their way to the rack, and I've had
a couple of Bordeaux from very good vineyards (and vintage) that were quite
badly treated with horrible results.
Teflon
>
> Earl
>
richj
The best example of bad midwestern food I can imagine? Let's see.
Pot roast cooked with potatoes and carrots on top of te stove. Usually the
roast is boiled until even cooled it falls apart into strings rather than
slice, the potatoes turn to mush at the touch of a fork, and the carrots and
onions have become part of the gravy in the bottom of the pan.
There will usually be something like maccaroni and cheese baked in an oven.
That is usually so juicy the pasta becomes paste, or so dry and overcooked
the top pasta becomes crunchy and the best tasting thing is the burned crust
in the pan.
To go with that is usually green peas and mushrooms or a wilted salad that
wasn't supposed to be, served with iced tea or cola.
Other favorites are beets, cabage, and mashed potatoes. If they wish to get
real fancy, they might serve liver and onions fried until the liver
resembles shoe leather. The more adventerous like bratwurst and sauerkraut.
The kraut is usually cooked all day with a bit of apple or brown sugar in
it, water being added when it starts getting dry.
Is that enough for you? If not, then there is meatloaf and salmon cakes.
Teflon
Jim Noles
> On Wed, 16 Feb 2005 15:12:47 -0600, "richj" <ric...@hotmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> snip
>
>>I keep both a blended and a single malt in the cabinet. My acquaitances get
>>the blended. My good friends the single malt, and if someone comes over I
>>cannot stand, I offer him tequilla.
>
> Nothing wrong with a nice tequila and lime juice with ice on a hot
> day.
Eat your heart out... Chateau Lafite Rothschild... 1980. Took 12 bottles
back with me in 1993. Have four left. Expect them to thus last about
six more years. If I make it. See --
http://home.earthlink.net/~onetimeuse/lafite.jpg
JN
> --
>
> WooF w00f WooF
Earl Evleth
"j.rennie1" <j.re...@ntlworld.com> wrote:
> Mid-West food? Give us euros a typical menu. Over cooking was once the
> great British sin.
One plate I detested was my mother's pork chops cooked on scalloped
potatoes.
For some reason, in spite of the dairy industry in Wisconsin, the habit of
eating cheese never fully developed, the US has produced few that were any
good. The French and Swiss prepare potatoes au gratin, which is a mountain
dish and prepared with cheese. It is very good. My mother used milk and it
all curdled.
It looked terrible but worse, lacked taste.
Pork has to be cooked carefully, it is not a meat, like lamb, with has much
taste. We are having pork tomorrow night, it is marinated over night in
olive oil and chopped garlic and will be grilled. The Chinese do
brilliant things with small pieces of pork with chopped up veggies of
some sort.
We also had macaroni and cheese a lot and it was so badly prepared it
has a negative image to me to this day. She also overcooked, lamb
would come out well overcooked to the point that most of the taste
was destroyed. But in the main, the food was tasteless. She cooked
for my father, not the kids. Donna rotated plates, some of which
she and our daughter loved and I did not but my turn would come up
too. So it was fair and square. In most respects my father was
the silent autocrat, he worked, brought home the money but had
little to do with the kids. This never bothered me since I
was off on my own, doing my thing. Mostly I was a avid reader
of just about anything, my parents read little, I don't even remember
us receiving a daily paper. It was not an stimulating intellectual
environment, the food fitted in with this environment. In both
areas I headed off on my own.
Earl
Donna Evleth
> From: "j.rennie1" <j.re...@ntlworld.com>
> Organization: Virgin Net Usenet Service
> Newsgroups: alt.activism.death-penalty
> Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 18:14:06 GMT
I'll just tell you about the dishes my mother made that I hated the most.
They were:
1) Pork chops cooked in milk. The milk was always curdled on the top.
Earl's mother added scalloped potatoes to this, which Earl found equally
awful.
2) Anything made with the basic white sauce, which is butter, flour and milk
and nothing else. Chicken à la king is the prime example, white meat chicken
in the basic white sauce.
3) Creamed corn. To me it looked, smelled and tasted like vomit.
4) Veal chops without any sauce and cooked 45 minutes. She always blamed
their toughness on the butcher.
5) Indian pudding, a dessert made with corn and milk.
My mother always tended to overcook. The first thing I ever learned to make
was scrambled eggs, because I couldn't stand my mother's cooked hard, dry
and utterly tasteless.
I guess there must be some good Midwest food, but I was never exposed to it
personally.
Donna Evleth
>
>
Donna Evleth
> From: "richj" <ric...@hotmail.com>
> Newsgroups: alt.activism.death-penalty
> Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 15:28:58 -0600
> Subject: Re: Been Alive Too Long
>
> If they wish to get
> real fancy, they might serve liver and onions fried until the liver
> resembles shoe leather.
Our mothers both served shoe leather liver, and until we came to France we
did not realize that liver could be cooked any other way. We had thought it
was a requirement that it be cooked until it was thoroughly dead. It was
after living here that I started fixing liver at home, and everybody liked
it.
Donna Evleth
John Rennie
"richj" <ric...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Thanks, Richard. Reading the above actually made me lose my appetite.
richj
"John Rennie" <jo...@rennie69.wanadoo.co.uk> wrote in message
news:cv20ja$59f$1...@newsg1.svr.pol.co.uk...
>
<snip>
>
> Thanks, Richard. Reading the above actually made me lose my appetite.
>
You might like Southwestern food, John. While it may be overcooked as well,
at least they use spices and it has flavor even if it is a bit heavy in the
fat department.
Teflon
John Rennie
I have this sort of plan to do a Greyhound trip around the states perhaps
about a month long. Local food will be given the once over if I ever get
round to actually doing it.
richj
If I may suggest, start your trip in April in the South and work North at
the end of May. FYI, a month isn't enough time to see half the US, much
less all of it. All you will do is spend yout time riding around with
little or no stops. You would be better off to plan three or four trips of
a month each. Even then, you really won't see all of it well. My wife and
I spent the last thirty years traveling around the US for two to seven weeks
at a time and still haven't seen ALL of it.
That's one reason so relative few Americans tour abroad. It takes decades
just to see our own nation, much less go to others.
Teflon
David Haley
fit to scribe:
That would be a good reason if more Americans actually spent their time touring
the USA...
--
~david-haley
david-...@the-haleys.com
(no unmunging necessary)
---------------------------
Cerberus
wrote:
eau
>Eat your heart out... Chat Lafite Rothschild... 1980. Took 12 bottles
>back with me in 1993. Have four left. Expect them to thus last about
>six more years. If I make it. See --
>http://home.earthlink.net/~onetimeuse/lafite.jpg
You really know how to get a blokes attention PV.
I have booked my flight and will be around for dinner next Tuesday.
Is 7.30 O.K?
A nice steak from Ruth's Steakhouse, with garlic mash and creamed
spinach.
Hark!!!! I can hear Q trying to get on the same plane.
Four bottles eh....do you think that will be enough for the three of
us, or will you have to get some more in?
Show off........but very nice. Hope you choke on it.
--
WooF w00f WooF
Mr Q. Z. Diablo
Cerberus <ce...@hades.org> wrote:
> On Thu, 17 Feb 2005 07:05:58 GMT, "Jim Noles" <abc...@zbqytr.ykq>
> wrote:
> eau
> >Eat your heart out... Chat Lafite Rothschild... 1980. Took 12 bottles
> >back with me in 1993. Have four left. Expect them to thus last about
> >six more years. If I make it. See --
> >http://home.earthlink.net/~onetimeuse/lafite.jpg
>
> You really know how to get a blokes attention PV.
> I have booked my flight and will be around for dinner next Tuesday.
>
> Is 7.30 O.K?
> A nice steak from Ruth's Steakhouse, with garlic mash and creamed
> spinach.
>
> Hark!!!! I can hear Q trying to get on the same plane.
The cunt. I'll be there. I need an address and a time. We'll fix the
bastard. He'll be sorry that he told us about the bottles at all.
Earl Evleth
<D...@zeouane.org> wrote:
> richj <ric...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> { snip }
>
>> That's one reason so relative few Americans tour abroad. It takes
>> decades just to see our own nation, much less go to others.
>
> It's not the only reason, though, is it ?
The US is a mixed area, some parts are not that interesting, like the
corn and wheat fields of Kansas and Iowa. We have driven across the US
several times, on purpose. We rented a car in California and left it
in New York, twice. The best trip was heading south through Arizana, New
Mexico, Texas, Louisiana, Mississippi, Alabama, North Florida, then up
the Coast through until NY. Before having done that we had long
before toured a good part of Europe, and France over and over again.
A less interesting route is California via Colorado-Kansas and Missouri,
up through Illinois, Indiana and Pennsylvania. But historywise we
prefer the south, especially the ante-Bellum areas, and Savannah,
Charleston. Texas is a bit of a bore but the rest of the South
is nice.
We had also gone from Boston up to Maine, over into Quebec and back
through Buffalo. The principle object of these trips were to show
out daughter America,
That said, I sill would say France outranked almost all of the USA
in scenery, the joy of touring. The old towns, the stone houses,
the good food. The Grand Canyon is a champion visit, however, but
American food is even worse in these resort areas than otherwise.
Eating badly is quickly gotten used to, however. And most American
cities are not interesting to see. I prefer the funky little
towns in the desert.
> Many 'Americans' (sic) have to have two jobs just to make ends meet.
The stats are known, I remember it being under 10%. The income problem
is preferentially handled with two people in the household working,
as in France. Pay is generally poor, the median hourly income is
about $10/hour, a large number of people are paid in the $6-$8 range.
And these wage categories have stagnated for years. The lower paid
people have poor medical coverage. By comparison, SMIC in France
is now around $10/hour almost double the $5.15 figure in the US.
> Plus they don't get more than a fortnight's holiday per year, unless you count
> the one or two days that get added on for every five year's service. A
> friend of mine is now up to three weeks holiday per year, after fifteen
> years with the same company (she lives in Maine).
If you change jobs, the evaporates! One of the perks our daughter
got for going private was deciding when she can take off. She does not
get paid while on vacation, however. This week she is taking care of "the
dogs" in Jacksonville. She can work on the computer at a distant when she
is "home" so it is not time off. I noticed that each time she comes to
Paris, she runs up the phone bill at the studio.
> Given that 'Americans' (sic) are worked like slaves, it's hardly surprising
> that you don't get to see even your own country, let alone any foreign
> climes.
People wait until they are retired. My parents bought an RV, toured most
of Europe for 6 months in a VW camper, and all the US and a lot of Canada
too. If one retires at 65 and has a comfortable income one has a window
of about 10, maybe 15 years to get around. Beyond 80 that becomes difficult.
My two brothers and sister did the same thing. She did not like traveling
so gave it up early, my oldest brother decided to quit around 80 and died
a couple of years later. My nearest brother, diabetic, lost both his kidneys
and having to have three dialyses a week pretty much stopped his traveling
by his mid-70s.
The problem of "waiting" until one retires is not being healthy or having
the desire to travel. One also might not reach retirement. Donna's father
who planned to travel died at 51. As a consequence we did a lot of
traveling when young. Academic jobs give 3 months a year off in the summer
and I was lucky enough to arrange my research so as to be productive and
get tenure. We took the SS France 15 times back and forth across the
Atlantic, rented cars, toured France before we went and lived there.
We also toured the US In the same period. We were also lucky to have
the money to do all this traveling.
Earl
Jim Noles
> James 'The FuckWit' Noles <na...@earthlink.net> wrote ...
> order, of course, for I shall be very surprised if you ever manage to get
> into France again. Heh ...
Ewwwweee.... I'm so scared. I wouldn't try visiting the U.S. again, Desmond.
You know the consequences of that. And you know what happened the
last time you threatened me. You're impotent little scum, my
purple_vein_on_the_forehead_about_to_burst_in_rage, friend, and you
know it. But tell us all about the Baltimore County Police... ho ho ho.
JN
> --
> D...@zeouane.org
> Jewish and Proud of It
You're not Jewish, Desmond. John Rennie, who knows you personally,
has stated that you told him you are not Jewish. And who could possibly
believe YOU... against John Rennie? Especially after your first words to
him were that he had no "right" to reveal you are not Jewish, and then
attack him in claiming he had previously used "blackmail" on you. I
believe you rather let the cat out of the bag, in not actually denying his
comment, but insisting that he had no "right" to expose your lie. See --
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/alt.activism.death-penalty/msg/bb180a2c31f541a7
Cerberus
>Mr Q. Z. Diablo <sa...@dodo.com.au> wrote:
>> In article <i11b1195isid60h5g...@4ax.com>,
>> Cerberus <ce...@hades.org> wrote:
>
>{ snip }
>
>>> Hark!!!! I can hear Q trying to get on the same plane.
>
>> The cunt. I'll be there. I need an address and a time. We'll fix the
>> bastard. He'll be sorry that he told us about the bottles at all.
>
Nice try, but no cigar Des. I think I have mentioned two or three
times to both you and that dick head euro that the address that you
are promulgating is incorrect.
A quick call to the poor bastard who owns the address mentioned may
convince you of the injustice being perpetrated here.
The awareness I have of your high moral and ethical standards, just
adds to my confusion as to why you keep this Furphy[1] alive. It
smacks of something that I can't quite put my finger on yet. Could it
be pig-headedness, or maybe complacency?
--
[1] url:http://www.furphyfoundry.com.au/4_watercart/default.htm
Motto of the Furphy Company.
Good, Better, Best.
Never let it rest.
Until your Good is Better, and your Better, Best.
Those were simpler times.
WooF w00f WooF
David Haley
to scribe:
>On Fri, 18 Feb 2005 11:18:49 +0100, "D.C." <D...@zeouane.org> wrote:
>
>>Mr Q. Z. Diablo <sa...@dodo.com.au> wrote:
>>> In article <i11b1195isid60h5g...@4ax.com>,
>>> Cerberus <ce...@hades.org> wrote:
>>
>>{ snip }
>>
>>>> Hark!!!! I can hear Q trying to get on the same plane.
>>
>>> The cunt. I'll be there. I need an address and a time. We'll fix the
>>> bastard. He'll be sorry that he told us about the bottles at all.
>>
>>url:http://tinyurl.com/6ft2u
>
>Nice try, but no cigar Des. I think I have mentioned two or three
>times to both you and that dick head euro that the address that you
>are promulgating is incorrect.
>
>A quick call to the poor bastard who owns the address mentioned may
>convince you of the injustice being perpetrated here.
>
>The awareness I have of your high moral and ethical standards, just
>adds to my confusion as to why you keep this Furphy[1] alive. It
>smacks of something that I can't quite put my finger on yet. Could it
>be pig-headedness, or maybe complacency?
Makes me wonder about the selectiveness of said moral/ethical standards. Which
is all the more disappointing considering how high they seem to be, but only
most of the time. I suppose it's better than nothing, though. (And I don't say
that sarcastically)
Jim Noles
> On Fri, 18 Feb 2005 11:18:49 +0100, "D.C." <D...@zeouane.org> wrote:
>
>>Mr Q. Z. Diablo <sa...@dodo.com.au> wrote:
>>> In article <i11b1195isid60h5g...@4ax.com>,
>>> Cerberus <ce...@hades.org> wrote:
>>
>>{ snip }
>>
>>>> Hark!!!! I can hear Q trying to get on the same plane.
>>
>>> The cunt. I'll be there. I need an address and a time. We'll fix the
>>> bastard. He'll be sorry that he told us about the bottles at all.
>>
>>url:http://tinyurl.com/6ft2u
>
> Nice try, but no cigar Des. I think I have mentioned two or three
> times to both you and that dick head euro that the address that you
> are promulgating is incorrect.
friends out with _cameras_ (sic) to _shoot_ (euphemist) me. Florida
is a big state... but he's vowed to hunt me down... and beat me to
a pulp. The big bully... :-)
Jim Noles
>richj <ric...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>{ snip }
>
>> That's one reason so relative few Americans tour abroad. It takes
>> decades just to see our own nation, much less go to others.
>
>It's not the only reason, though, is it ?
>
>Many 'Americans' (sic) have to have two jobs just to make ends meet. Plus
>they don't get more than a fortnight's holiday per year, unless you count
>the one or two days that get added on for every five year's service. A
>friend of mine is now up to three weeks holiday per year, after fifteen
>years with the same company (she lives in Maine).
>
>Given that 'Americans' (sic) are worked like slaves, it's hardly surprising
>that you don't get to see even your own country, let alone any foreign
>climes.
>
Well, you have a great deal of idle time on your hands now... don't you,
Desmond? See --
http://www.oldielyrics.com/lyrics/styx/too_much_time_on_my_hands.html
I just LOVE those lyrics, since they could have been written just
for you.
Jim Noles
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>From: "D.C." <D...@zeouane.org>
>Newsgroups: alt.activism.death-penalty
>Subject: Re: Been Alive Too Long
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>Mr Q. Z. Diablo <sa...@dodo.com.au> wrote:
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>> Cerberus <ce...@hades.org> wrote:
>
>{ snip }
>
>>> Hark!!!! I can hear Q trying to get on the same plane.
>
>> The cunt. I'll be there. I need an address and a time. We'll fix the
>> bastard. He'll be sorry that he told us about the bottles at all.
>
>url:http://tinyurl.com/6ft2u
>
ROTFLMAO... See the other map Desmond provided --
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/alt.activism.death-penalty/msg/c26b096a68f62837
Desmond is great in cyber-stalking, but not that precise in nailing down
the exact location, or getting the right person.
>HTH.
Jim Noles
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>From: "D.C." <D...@zeouane.org>
>Newsgroups: alt.activism.death-penalty
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>James 'Nazi Bastard' Noles <na...@earthlink.net> wrote ...
>
>> "D.C." 'The eugenics maestro' <D...@zeouane.org> wrote in message
news:213ee2...@zeouane.org...
>>> James 'The FuckWit' Noles <na...@earthlink.net> wrote ...
>>>> <Cerberus> wrote in message news:md0811lbhdfies23b...@4ax.com...
>>>>> On Wed, 16 Feb 2005 15:12:47 -0600, "richj" <ric...@hotmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>
>>>>>>I keep both a blended and a single malt in the cabinet. My
>>>>>>acquaitances get the blended. My good friends the single malt, and if
>>>>>>someone comes over I cannot stand, I offer him tequilla.
>
>>>>> Eh....steady on old chap. Nothing wrong with a nice tequila and lime
>>>>> juice with ice on a hot day.
>
>>>> Eat your heart out... Chateau Lafite Rothschild... 1980. Took 12
>>>> bottles back with me in 1993. Have four left. Expect them to thus
>>>> last about six more years. If I make it. See --
>>>> http://home.earthlink.net/~onetimeuse/lafite.jpg
>
>>> Make the most of them, FuckWit. Unless you plan to buy some more by
>>> mail order, of course, for I shall be very surprised if you ever manage
>>> to get into France again. Heh ...
>
>> Ewwwweee.... I'm so scared.
>
>Scared of what, FuckWit ?
It was sarcasm, you idiot. You would only scare me if I happened to
physically meet you. THEN... I would pray that I am equipped with
some means of self-defense from your efforts to murder me.
> I wasn't threatening you.
You're a threat to humanity, my son. You should try prayer. And
not for murderers, as you usually do, but for your soul. Heh....
> Indeed, I have been
>completely honest (as always)
Oh, come on now, Desmond... Now you just trying purposely
to make me laugh.
> concerning my actions, FuckWit. As I stated
>quite candidly on 21 December last year ...
>
> 'The above is a textbook revisionist statement, and you may rest
> assured, FuckWit, that it has been forwarded to the Avocat génér
> the Directeur Général de la Police Judiciare, and to the Directeur
> Général de la Police aux FrontiÃ'
I don't think I have much to worry about from a newly installed
couch-potato. But I hope you didn't forget to mention to them
how much you also hate Blacks, Desmond... that should really
get them going. You know... tell them how you've spit in the
face of MLK each time a tribute was offered to him for the
past three years. Tell them about how you hate Ray Charles,
and Mamie Till Mobley. Tell them about all the racist slurs
you've thrown around the group. Get their blood up, Desmond.
Just don't tell your friends in the terrorist Arab league. You
know how much they hate those who are pro-Jewish. And
like you... their psychotic homicidal nature can be quite
dangerous. THEY scare the shit out of me. But your words...
they are deliciously laughable.
But then... there's that pesky "Patriot's act." I'd think twice
about another vacation in the U.S., Desmond (if you could
afford it). The NSA routinely processes all Usenet messages
for buzzwords... and you've used a slew of them. I don't
have to do anything... the NSA handles things like that
automatically. Although I may have slipped and asked them
to monitor this group. The list, Desmond... the list. Remember
Cat Stevens.
>Of course just like all of news:alt.activism.death-penalty, I am appalled
>both by the increasingly rabid levels of hatred and rage that you
>demonstrate here, and by your apparent inability to 'get a lid' on how you
>detest us Jews.
You're not Jewish, Desmond. Just as you try here... you USE that
lie. It's quite transparent right here. You figure you can whine, and
you expect THAT is the behavior of a typical Jew... and you insisted
the Jews are _whining_ in "milking" the Holocaust. You "milk" this
lie, for all it's worth.
> You are of course welcome to express your opinion,
Thank you, your Majesty... but it's no longer an opinion, it's a
fact... you're not Jewish. You're no more Jewish than the
earth is flat. Your claim that you are Jewish, is now seen
everywhere as a _flat-earth_ claim. What you have admitted
is that you feel the Jews have a "dishonesty." And thus in
your lie that you are Jewish, you see that lie to be right in
character in respect to how you feel about the Jews.
> but I
>have to say that you are quite the most terrifying poster I've ever
>encountered on Usenet.
I take that as a compliment. I hope you are personally terrified
by my exposure of your lies. I feel no one has been better at
it than I have been since you first began posting here. I admit
that I am terrified of ever meeting you in person, and you knowing
it is me... terrified for my life.
> Yesterday evening, the Anti-Defamation League, the
>security attache at the Israeli Embassy on rue Rabelais, and the hate
>crimes division of the French Gendarmerie nationale, were all made aware of
>your activities.
Did you tell them about how you insist that the Jews are legally "inhuman"?
Don't forget to whine to your Nazi friends, as well. And of course...
post your letter in the Arab quarter, and be sure to include all of
those various addresses and phone numbers you've come up with.
Too bad you have no picture.. right? You know you want to kill
me, Desmond... one way or another, because you know you
cannot stop me any other way.
>Now I really don't think that I'm in any danger as I'm wearing the yellow
>star as you commanded,
That is the most insulting comment you could make in respect to the
Jews, and I have a good mind to send it to Nizkor, and inform them
of how friendly you are with Gruber. Your use of that insulting lie
is exactly how the Nazi guards used that star when the allies overran
the death camps, and the concentration camps. Ripping them off
of the death they had murdered (of course, you claim they didn't
murder ANY Jews), and putting them on to try and pass themselves
off as Jews. Just as you try to pass yourself off as a Jew. This
will only get uglier, Desmond... the longer you lie. Trying to
pass yourself off as a Jew... and a victim of the Holocaust,
while having the support for the Nazi feelings you have. That's
macabre! Something more evil than any novel Stephen King
could come up with.
> and so you'll probably leave me in peace. However,
>France has a large Jewish population, and I cannot think only of myself.
You wish France did not have that large Jewish population. I
recall how you defended Le Pen... as not that bad as Pat
Buchanan, and no danger to France you claimed..
>My letters can be expected to have a greater 'impact' than yours.
>Especially considering the headed notepaper on which they're written.
So your claim is that the French have a better quality toilet paper for
writing on, than in the U.S. So what? Now that you're a man of
leisure... See --
http://www.oldielyrics.com/lyrics/styx/too_much_time_on_my_hands.html
>Make no mistake, FuckWit: I am not seeking to 'punish' you for anything,
>but if I use official notepaper to advise other government agencies of your
>bitter and almost hysterical expressions of hatred for Jews, then in many
>ways, you should be proud, for you've 'made a mark', and the message that
>you've been trying to send for a long time, has been received. You hate
>us, FuckWit. You want us all dead, just as your spiritual forefathers in
>the III Reich wanted us all dead.
In all kindness toward you... You're so full of shit, Desmond. Your hatred
for the Jews is a matter of record here. The reason you are enraged
about me, is because I expose that hate. You call me a Nazi... because
you insist that I post PRO-JEWISH comments. Tell that to the
anti-Defamation league. Tell them how you have no problem with
it being legal to declare the Jews "inhuman."
>However, I am just a pawn,
Don't be so hard on yourself, Desmond. You're really much less
than that... you're a non-entity, totally off the chess board. Take
heart in the fact you're not even a pawn.
> and I submit myself to the law of this Republic.
Did God whisper that in your ear, when he declared to you that you
are infallible?
>If those who receive my communications decide that you are not a danger to
>'l'ordre public', then it's no skin off my nose.
I've seen the pictures... your nose is not your problem. It's that
purple vein.
> But I cannot and will not
>allow such repulsive expressions of hatred, based on nothing less tenuous
>than that I'm Jewish, go unreported.
Pay close attention, Desmond... This is extremely important. And is
in all seriousness, without any emotion other than my concern for your
decline into a psychotic state of delusion. ---> You're pitiful!!. You're
a worthless sack of racist, Jew hating shit!!! Did I get through to you,
my purple_vein_in_the_forehead_throbbing friend? If not... Four
simple words -- YOU ARE NOT JEWISH!!
>I'm not 'threatening' you, FuckWit. I do not have that capacity.
Are you sure about that? You seem to have a large capacity for
hate. Or perhaps it's just that you need more fiber, and all that
hate is blocked inside of you.
> My powers are limited.
I think the word is "impotent." Or "non-existent"
> But I shall be surprised if you are allowed to set
>foot in France again.
I'm surprised they ever let you in, in the first place. I suspect if
they let YOU in... they'll let anyone in.
>> I wouldn't try visiting the U.S. again, Desmond. You know the
>> consequences of that. And you know what happened the last time you
>> threatened me. You're impotent little scum, my
>> purple_vein_on_the_forehead_about_to_burst_in_rage, friend, and you know
>> it. But tell us all about the Baltimore County Police... ho ho ho.
>
>Temper, temper, FuckWit ... try to breathe ... breathe ... breathe ...
>
Ho ho ho... Sure, Desmond... the best defense to your own rage, is
to avoid the fact that the other finds you both laughable and tragicomic.
in through the nose... out through the mouth...
in through the nose... out through the mouth...
in through the nose... out through the mouth...
>But why not tell us about the Baltimore County Police, indeed, FuckWit ?
>After all, you did promise to call them ... before deciding that Officer
>Rau didn't exist, because you couldn't find him on the web.
>
I never promised to call them, Desmond. I simply call you a liar.
And you know you are. As your claim you are Jewish, and claim
this Baltimore County Police idiocy, the presumption is in the negative.
>*rofl*
>
Ah... the little one.. what a sad, sad, sad spectacle you are here, Desmond.
The threats, the rage, the desire to drown me. Hate turning into the
need to actually murder me. Don't worry.... I come to France, I'll
stay as far away from you as possible. Since you are a certified
homicidal maniac, and quite capable of murdering me, if you could.
Be sure you tell that to all those imaginary agencies, when you
ask them to let you know if I try to come to France. ho ho ho.
D.C.
> On Sat, 19 Feb 2005 20:07:40 +0100, "D.C." 'The Animal of Auschwitz'
> <D...@zeouane.org> wrote:
You moron. Comparing the words written on news:alt.activism.death-penalty
to the massacre of millions, shows that a) you really are an insane cretin,
and b) that you consider those deaths to be no more important than what I
write.
{ snip }
>>> Ewwwweee.... I'm so scared.
>>Scared of what, FuckWit ?
> It was sarcasm, you idiot.
If it was sarcasm, FuckWit, why didn't you use your '<sarcasm>' tags ?
Oh, that's right: because it wasn't sarcasm; it was a simple lie, designed
to fool the readers of news:alt.activism.death-penalty into thinking that
you had been 'threatened' by me. I see that you've also started to claim
that I want to 'drown' you. LOL !! As John said a while back, FuckWit, if
you really believe that I'm threatening you, then get in touch with the
appropriate authorities. Here, allow me to help you. You can send an
e-mail to the division judiciaire of our gendarmerie nationale ...
SPAMjud...@REMOVETHISgendarmerie.DELETETHISdefense.gouv.fr.
... which deals with crimes committed on the Internet. The Police
nationale can be contacted via the Internet, here ...
url:http://www.interieur.gouv.fr/rubriques/divers/contacts/mail_cybercriminalite/contact
... or you can take a screenshot of my posts, and send it to the Procureur
de la République, Tribunal de Grande Instance, 7 blvd du Palais, 75001
PARIS, France. You might also want to 'Cc:' it to the following ...
Service 'Accueil Recherche Investigation Judiciaire',
Direction Générale dla Police Judiciaire
10, rue Pierre Lescot,
75001 PARIS
France
The URL is also valid for those who wish to complain about posters who make
'apologies' for terrorism, as you've accused me of doing that, too.
There it is, FuckWit: the chance for you to put your money where your mouth
is. Making threats via the Internet is an offence here in France, as is
revisionism, and 'apology for war crimes'. Serious offences, even. I
could be in a lot of trouble, both personally and professionally, if I were
found to have committed such offences.
You now have the ability to prove to the group (and to the world, as I'm
sure that your having me fired and / or gaoled for having committed such
offences would make the papers) that you really do care for the 'Jewish
cause', and that your hysterical (and patently false) declarations of
sympathy for Jews, aren't just a fa?ade to distract attention from your
woeful inability to engage any poster here on any level moral,
philosophical or intellectual other than your own level of playground
insults.
> You would only scare me if I happened to physically meet you. THEN... I
> would pray that I am equipped with some means of self-defense from your
> efforts to murder me.
Har, har, har !!!
It seems to have escaped your notice, FuckWit, that you are without a
doubt the most laughable, ridiculous poster that this group has yet seen.
You're a caricature. Your posts sound like a baboon's fart. You don't
'anger' me, irrespective of how much you repeat your pathetic gimmicks, and
boy, do you repeat them !!
So this post is your doom, FuckWit. You have information above, to prove
to us that you really believe that your life is in danger from me, or even
that I have _once_ made a threat towards you. If you do not take that
opportunity, then never again can you post your lies and expect to have
them believed.
You are a complete and utter idiot, Noles. 'purple vein' ?? Don't make me
laugh. You don't have what it takes to get my angry. You have the
intelligence of a Down's Syndrome sufferer, and the sense of humour of a
block of wood.
You cretin.
--
D...@zeouane.org
Jewish and Proud of It
The AADP Spectrum: http://www.chez.com/desmondcoughlan/dp/aadp_spectrum.gif
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>Cerberus <ce...@hades.org> wrote:
>>
>>>Mr Q. Z. Diablo <sa...@dodo.com.au> wrote:
>>>> In article <i11b1195isid60h5g...@4ax.com>,
>>>> Cerberus <ce...@hades.org> wrote:
>
>>>>> Hark!!!! I can hear Q trying to get on the same plane.
>>>
>>>> The cunt. I'll be there. I need an address and a time. We'll fix the
>>>> bastard. He'll be sorry that he told us about the bottles at all.
>>>
>>>url:http://tinyurl.com/6ft2u
>>
>> Nice try, but no cigar Des. I think I have mentioned two or three times
>> to both you and that dick head euro that the address that you are
>> promulgating is incorrect.
>>
>> A quick call to the poor bastard who owns the address mentioned may
>> convince you of the injustice being perpetrated here.
>>
>> The awareness I have of your high moral and ethical standards, just adds
>> to my confusion as to why you keep this Furphy[1] alive. It smacks of
>> something that I can't quite put my finger on yet. Could it be
>> pig-headedness, or maybe complacency? -- [1]
>> url:http://www.furphyfoundry.com.au/4_watercart/default.htm
What it smacks of is your use of fascism. I don't ask anyone to
killfile you, or insist that you leave. Quite the contrary, I don't
want you to leave, but just stop lying. You must be very afraid
of me because I see you constantly begging others to ignore
or killfile me. There is a sense of panic demonstrated in all of your
insisting that others ignore Jim Noles. And you even offered the
supreme sacrifice.... to stop lying... if I kill myself figuratively (or
perhaps actually hoping in real life), here in AADP. Do you
really expect anyone to look at that and not recognize how much
you fear my words? Why are you so afraid of me? You're a
physical bully... you could beat me in arm wrestling, fights in
a dark alley, chug-a-lug contests, and see who can drown the
other one contests. I admit that. So why do you fear my
words here? We all know why... but you need to look in
the mirror.
>> Motto of the Furphy Company. Good, Better, Best. Never let it rest.
>> Until your Good is Better, and your Better, Best.
>>
>> Those were simpler times.
>
>They were indeed, brother, and we can but lament their passing.
>
>However, may I just point that your personal contacts with Mr Noles are
>tinged with deception ? His address is as I have stated it. This has been
>confirmed by three independent sources, one of which is an Earthlink
>employee. That cost me $300 fucking US, but I needed to be sure. I'd
>have rather spent the money on a rear shock for my BMW, but needs must.
>
You've made my day, Desmond. The same contacts you have in the
French ministry... LOL.... What a consumed by ignorance twit you are,
Desmond. But any time you state that I've cost you money, is a good
day for humanity, and gives me a feeling of extreme satisfaction. How
much are they asking to get pictures of me and my family for you to post
in the Arab quarter? Or was that those guys you have out with cameras?
Although there is not a person here, who believes you. Oh... wait...
Earl probably does... but then he believes anything you say.
But it is nice to see you admit to cyber stalking and are even willing
to pay for it. A rather self-loathing admission, given that you've said
about others -- "those who have sought to stalk me (spamming my
employer, posting private details concerning me and my family to
the Internet ...) are on the same evolutionary level as murderers."
Jesus... paying 300 U.S. Dollars to prove only that you admit you
see yourself the same as you see a murderer.
JN
>--
>D...@zeouane.org
>Jewish and Proud of It
David Haley
scribe:
>They were indeed, brother, and we can but lament their passing.
>
>However, may I just point that your personal contacts with Mr Noles are
>tinged with deception ? His address is as I have stated it. This has been
>confirmed by three independent sources, one of which is an Earthlink
>employee. That cost me $300 fucking US, but I needed to be sure. I'd
>have rather spent the money on a rear shock for my BMW, but needs must.
You paid MONEY to confirm the identity of somebody on this newsgroup? Weren't
you the one so virulently against NG stalkers?
Jim Noles
thin skinned when seeing himself being attacked, but has no problem in
using those same methods himself. In fact, he realizes that those
methods are ALL he has in the way of intellect.
JN
David Haley
scribe:
>David Haley <david-...@the-haleys.com> wrote:
>> This day of Sun, 20 Feb 2005 01:41:15 +0100, "D.C." <D...@zeouane.org> saw fit to
>> scribe:
>
>{ snip }
>
>>>However, may I just point that your personal contacts with Mr Noles are
>>>tinged with deception ? His address is as I have stated it. This has
>>>been confirmed by three independent sources, one of which is an Earthlink
>>>employee. That cost me $300 fucking US, but I needed to be sure. I'd
>>>have rather spent the money on a rear shock for my BMW, but needs must.
>
>> You paid MONEY to confirm the identity of somebody on this newsgroup?
>> Weren't you the one so virulently against NG stalkers?
>
>I was indeed, David, but I did not seek James Noles's address _per se_, but
>the identity of the person behind the 'dolly' persona. After contacting an
>'anti-stalker' website, I was directed to a private investigator in
>Orlando. Thus I can confirm now that, irrespective of his hysterical,
>squealing, red-faced denials, the true identity of 'A Planet Visitor' _and_
>'dolly' is one Mr James Noles, of 402 Ranchwood Drive, Leesburg, Florida.
OK, so you didn't pay money for his address, you paid money for his identity
instead. Is that supposed to be better?
>Mr Noles would have perhaps been able to continue to libel whilst hiding
>behind a persona, but he made the mistake of creating an AOL address, to
>violate my copyright on posts made here. He is very lucky that I did not
>ask for his social security numbers and credit background, too, but I
>consider that those really are 'private', and besides, euro exposed him,
>and on that score, I decree that his punishment is over.
How gracious of you.
Cerberus
>David Haley <david-...@the-haleys.com> wrote:
>> This day of Sun, 20 Feb 2005 01:41:15 +0100, "D.C." <D...@zeouane.org> saw fit to
>> scribe:
>
>{ snip }
>
>>>However, may I just point that your personal contacts with Mr Noles are
>>>tinged with deception ? His address is as I have stated it. This has
>>>been confirmed by three independent sources, one of which is an Earthlink
>>>employee. That cost me $300 fucking US, but I needed to be sure. I'd
>>>have rather spent the money on a rear shock for my BMW, but needs must.
>
>> You paid MONEY to confirm the identity of somebody on this newsgroup?
>> Weren't you the one so virulently against NG stalkers?
>
>I was indeed, David, but I did not seek James Noles's address _per se_, but
>the identity of the person behind the 'dolly' persona. After contacting an
>'anti-stalker' website, I was directed to a private investigator in
>Orlando. Thus I can confirm now that, irrespective of his hysterical,
>squealing, red-faced denials, the true identity of 'A Planet Visitor' _and_
>'dolly' is one Mr James Noles, of 402 Ranchwood Drive, Leesburg, Florida.
Horse shit Des. The only thing that you and that Nancy boy Euro have
managed to get right between you is PV's name.
May I say once again that you are barking up the wrong tree with the
address that you have so stupidly promulgated across use net.
You are stigmatising the wrong man. Be fucking told, for once in your
miserable life, will you?
Why won't you pick up the phone and ring the man as I suggested
earlier this week?
Could it be that your position would be found to have been built on
false premise? or are you just too frightened to find out?
(The rest of this nauseatingly simpleminded and pathetically mundane
cack snipped)
--
WooF w00f WooF
Euro
"D.C." <D...@zeouane.org> wrote in message news:24s3f2-...@free.fr...
> D.C. <D...@zeouane.org> wrote:
>
>> Cerby, I wouldn't put it past The FuckWit to have rigged up some sort of
>> recording device on his phone. My professional situation does not allow
>> me
>> to engage in any 'harassment' of any shape or form, and indeed this is
>> why
>> I have not done so.
>>
>> However, let us recall that the chances of Florida having two 'James
>> Noles', both of whom have French wives, both of whom served in the
>> military, and (this is the clincher) both of whom have accounts at
>> Earthlink and AOL, is rather slim, would you not agree ?
>>
>> If you called the James Noles in Ranchwood Drive, Cerby, and he told you
>> that he doesn't post to news:alt.activism.death-penalty, he is lying.
>
> Oh incidentally, a quick search on www.intelius.com shows that the two
> persons living at 402 Ranchwood Drive, are called James and Nadia Noles,
> are 73 and 70 years old, respectively. You will recall that this is the
> same age as Nazi Noles, and his wife, politically active in Central
> Florida
> 'pro-democracy' groups (and more power to her elbow is what I say in
> passing), is only a couple of years younger than he, if I recall his words
> correctly.
>
> Now, let's recap ...
>
> 1. na...@earthlink.com posts that he is moving to Leesburg.
>
> 2. na...@earthlink.com signs his name as James Noles
>
> 3. na...@earthlink.com 'morphs' to planet visitor
>
> 4. planet visitor states that his wife is French
>
> 5. planet visitor states that he is 72 (at the time)
>
> 6. planet visitor is exposed as being called James Noles
>
> 7. planet visitor spends a couple of weeks denying that this
> is his real name
>
> 8. planet visitor finally admits that this is his real name, and
> starts posting as 'James Noles'
>
> Now from this we can see that the person currently posting as James Noles,
> is also the person who posted as 'Planet Visitor', and as such, is the
> same
> person who posted as 'na...@earthlink.com'. So ...
>
> na...@earthlink.com == Planet Visitor == James Noles
>
> Now a little bird tells me that a phone call from a phonebox a while back,
> revealed an elderly lady who spoke accentless French, and who then called
> for her husband James to come to the phone, in English, with a French
> accent. I have no idea who made this call, but I have it on good faith
> that it took place.
>
> Now ... if _you_ want to believe that in fact Planet Visitor moved to
> Leesburg, and then 'rented' his house to another James Noles who just
> happened to be the same age as him, who just happened to have a French
> wife
> just like him, and who also just happened to have spent time in the army,
> then that's really your concern. However, for that James Noles to also
> have an account at Earthlink under 'na...@earthlink.com', _and_ to have
> used an AOL account to create 'dolly' (50 hours free to begin with, and
> subsequently paid for with a credit card registered to 'James Noles'), is
> stretching coincidence just a _teensy_ bit far.
>
> Would you agree ?
>
> I do not give a flying fuck about the strenuous, hysterical denials that
> Mr
> Noles will post in response to this, no doubt preceeded by his customary
> and very hollow 'ROTFLMAO'. He is a liar, and that has been shown beyond
> any reasonable doubt. If this were a capital case, he'd be getting his
> head shaved even as we speak. He. Is. A. Liar.
>
> I don't netstalk, Cerberus, and if I did ... I'd make _damn_sure_ that I
> got the right man.
> --
Now we're waiting for Cerberus to give a demonstration with arguments why he
believes all this was a mistake. Maybe Cerberus will prove, for once, that
he actually _has_ a point. So far, all I can see is that James Noles lies,
distorts, defames, insults and Cerberus finds it all right. He was right to
choose a nickname recalling the name of a dog: more servile than that, would
be difficult to find.
Euro
Jim Noles
> This day of Tue, 22 Feb 2005 17:55:36 +0100, "D.C." <D...@zeouane.org> saw fit to
> scribe:
>
>>David Haley <david-...@the-haleys.com> wrote:
>>> This day of Sun, 20 Feb 2005 01:41:15 +0100, "D.C." <D...@zeouane.org> saw fit to
>>> scribe:
>>
>>{ snip }
>>
>>>>However, may I just point that your personal contacts with Mr Noles are
>>>>tinged with deception ? His address is as I have stated it. This has
>>>>been confirmed by three independent sources, one of which is an Earthlink
>>>>employee. That cost me $300 fucking US, but I needed to be sure. I'd
>>>>have rather spent the money on a rear shock for my BMW, but needs must.
>>
>>> You paid MONEY to confirm the identity of somebody on this newsgroup?
>>> Weren't you the one so virulently against NG stalkers?
>>
>>I was indeed, David, but I did not seek James Noles's address _per se_, but
>>the identity of the person behind the 'dolly' persona. After contacting an
>>'anti-stalker' website, I was directed to a private investigator in
>>Orlando. Thus I can confirm now that, irrespective of his hysterical,
>>squealing, red-faced denials, the true identity of 'A Planet Visitor' _and_
>>'dolly' is one Mr James Noles, of 402 Ranchwood Drive, Leesburg, Florida.
>
> OK, so you didn't pay money for his address, you paid money for his identity
> instead. Is that supposed to be better?
Desmond could not find his ass with both hands. Seriously... he has
disrupted the personal lives of a few Jim Noles in Florida, simply to try and
satisfy his personal obsession. He has not paid any money, David. He
is simply offering more of his lies. Nor has he located the right Jim
Noles, but he has now obsessed about one, and knows, just as he knows
about his lie that he is Jewish, he must now concentrate on convincing
everyone that he is not a liar. I find it hilarious each time he comes up
with that pitiful _exposure_, because he is really at the end of his rope, and
has only that lie to hold on to. Like my wife would be a Democrat!!!
He has already come up with two different names he has cyber stalked,
even providing maps to their homes. Consider him pathetic, and move on.
Since accepting that he has been in contact with a private investigator
in Florida, is as believable as the FBI having given him a commendation
for _apprehending_ Don Kool. Even if he were to actually locate me,
he could not back down now, because as with his lie that he is Jewish,
it has become essential that he cannot admit a mistake twice.
But I'll make another deal with him. He admits he is lying about being
Jewish, and I'll provide everyone with my real name [1], and my real
address, since I will probably not be at that address much longer.
>>Mr Noles would have perhaps been able to continue to libel whilst hiding
>>behind a persona, but he made the mistake of creating an AOL address, to
>>violate my copyright on posts made here. He is very lucky that I did not
>>ask for his social security numbers and credit background, too, but I
>>consider that those really are 'private', and besides, euro exposed him,
>>and on that score, I decree that his punishment is over.
Actually, I've never subscribed to AOL in my entire life, much less used
it to post in AADP. I abhor AOL, and was one of the first who subscribed to
Earthlink, after leaving some provider whose name I cannot even remember
(think it started with a "C") that has long gone belly up. I still have my
EarthLink account, and the only other account I have ever used is my cable
access since I moved to Florida. Earthlink does not provide personal
information to ANYONE, without a court order. They are quick to take away an
account if recognizing abuse, and you'll notice I still have mind. But without
a court order, that is the end of it. But ask him about losing his account
with ntlworld.com. Now THAT'S the truth. And notice that he has much more
time on his hands to post lately.... see his theme song ...
http://www.oldielyrics.com/lyrics/styx/too_much_time_on_my_hands.html
> How gracious of you.
>
It's his sickness, David. The liar's sickness.
[1] My wife's name is Michele :-)))) -- See
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/alt.activism.death-penalty/msg/a435abc84b07439c
JN
D.C.
> "David Haley" <david-...@the-haleys.com> wrote in message news:656s11htutkj0drgg...@4ax.com...
>> This day of Tue, 22 Feb 2005 17:55:36 +0100, "D.C." <D...@zeouane.org> saw fit to
>> scribe:
>>>David Haley <david-...@the-haleys.com> wrote:
>>>> This day of Sun, 20 Feb 2005 01:41:15 +0100, "D.C." <D...@zeouane.org> saw fit to
>>>> scribe:
>>>>>However, may I just point that your personal contacts with Mr Noles
>>>>>are tinged with deception ? His address is as I have stated it. This
>>>>>has been confirmed by three independent sources, one of which is an
>>>>>Earthlink employee. That cost me $300 fucking US, but I needed to be
>>>>>sure. I'd have rather spent the money on a rear shock for my BMW, but
>>>>>needs must.
>>>> You paid MONEY to confirm the identity of somebody on this newsgroup?
>>>> Weren't you the one so virulently against NG stalkers?
>>>I was indeed, David, but I did not seek James Noles's address _per se_,
>>>but the identity of the person behind the 'dolly' persona. After
>>>contacting an 'anti-stalker' website, I was directed to a private
>>>investigator in Orlando. Thus I can confirm now that, irrespective of
>>>his hysterical, squealing, red-faced denials, the true identity of 'A
>>>Planet Visitor' _and_ 'dolly' is one Mr James Noles, of 402 Ranchwood
>>>Drive, Leesburg, Florida.
>> OK, so you didn't pay money for his address, you paid money for his
>> identity instead. Is that supposed to be better?
> Desmond could not find his ass with both hands.
I seem to have no trouble finding your 'buttons', Mr Noles ..
> Seriously... he has disrupted the personal lives of a few Jim Noles in
> Florida, simply to try and satisfy his personal obsession. He has not
> paid any money, David. He is simply offering more of his lies. Nor has
> he located the right Jim Noles, but he has now obsessed about one, and
> knows, just as he knows about his lie that he is Jewish, he must now
> concentrate on convincing everyone that he is not a liar. I find it
> hilarious each time he comes up with that pitiful _exposure_, because he
> is really at the end of his rope, and has only that lie to hold on to.
> Like my wife would be a Democrat!!! He has already come up with two
> different names he has cyber stalked, even providing maps to their homes.
> Consider him pathetic, and move on. Since accepting that he has been in
> contact with a private investigator in Florida, is as believable as the
> FBI having given him a commendation for _apprehending_ Don Kool. Even if
> he were to actually locate me, he could not back down now, because as
> with his lie that he is Jewish, it has become essential that he cannot
> admit a mistake twice.
There are several factors to consider, FuckWit. One is my post to Cerby,
detailing the factors which contribute to 'damning' you as a liar; which
leads us nicely to the second factor, FuckWit and it is this: even if I had
made a mistake, the mere fact that you are denying being the James Noles
whom I have named, makes it a complete, almost _pure_ certainty that you
_are_ that James Noles.
I must admit to havin been confused when you first claimed that dirt and I
had 'doctored' the diploma that you posted.
I now know that it was your natural predeliction for lying. You lie about
everything, not for any 'gain' (as you've lost every argument since you
arrived on news:alt.activism.death-penalty), but simply because you can.
Not that it matters, for in fact I have now, twice, provided the evidence,
_irrefutable_ evidence, that you lied in your claims that dirt and I
'doctored' your 'diploma', and in fact everyone now knows that this...
url:http://www.chez.com/desmondcoughlan/dp/FuckWit_false_diploma.jpg
... is the image that you posted on 2 March 2003.
url:http://www.google.fr/groups?as_umsgid=dngue2...@zeouane.org&lr=&hl=fr
url:http://www.google.fr/groups?as_umsgid=tvn6f2...@free.fr&lr=&hl=fr
... are the two posts (the second will only become 'live' after it appears
in google, so count on another six hours or so) which prove your lie.
Of course, everyone was already familiar with your lies. John Rennie has
called you a liar ...
url:http://www.google.fr/groups?ie=UTF-8&as_umsgid=e75Uc.194%24y...@newsfe2-gui.ntli.net&lr=&hl=fr
... and even a 'profound liar' ...
url:http://www.google.fr/groups?ie=UTF-8&as_umsgid=QxmWc.1762%24G61...@newsfe5-gui.ntli.net&lr=&hl=fr
... and an insane one to boot ...
url:http://www.google.fr/groups?ie=UTF-8&as_umsgid=Z4TIc.442%24tP...@newsfe2-gui.ntli.net&lr=&hl=fr
... he has asked whether you expect your reams and reams of waffle to
'balance' your lies ...
url:http://www.google.fr/groups?ie=UTF-8&as_umsgid=Dfxn9.127%24gY1.21175@newsfep2-gui&lr=&hl=fr
... and has spoken out again and again against your verbiage ...
... and your strawmen ...
... as well as laughing at your idiocy in trying to claim a while back that
I beat my wife ...
Q., when asked if you'd ever _stop_ misrepresenting others' words,
replied..
' Of course he won't. Do you think that anyone who engages him thinks
otherwise?'
url:http://www.google.fr/groups?as_umsgid=satan-C6C368.07444217022005@localhost&lr=&hl=fr
... not forgetting that he also believes that you are mad ...
url:http://www.google.fr/groups?ie=UTF-8&as_umsgid=satan-BC565D....@news-server.bigpond.net.au&lr=&hl=fr
url:http://www.google.fr/groups?as_q=barking&as_umsgid=satan-DF83D0....@news-server.bigpond.net.au&lr=&hl=fr
... and has acknowledged that my posts drive you into 'a helpless rage',
and speaks of 'apoplexy' ...
url:http://www.google.fr/groups?as_umsgid=satan.notinnedmeat-9AC885.18573024022005@localhost&lr=&hl=fr
But come now, James. Your reputation (insofar as you had one) is lying in
tatters. I feel the rage emanating from you. Even here, in Paris, if I
look West, I can see a red glow in the sky where, if one were to follow it,
would lead to a trailer in downtown Leesburg. As I speak, The One is in an
aircraft, an hour outside Paris. Thank God that you're not in France at
the moment, as I would have had no choice but to request a fighter escort
for her plane. I know that you'd stop at nothing to kill a Jew, and yes,
she is Jewish, FuckWit. You'd love to 'kill a kike'. Who here can forget
when you posted,
'don't you find the Jews of Israel are really "Nazis"?'
url:http://www.google.fr/groups?as_umsgid=mSnud.102910%248G4...@tornado.tampabay.rr.com&lr=&hl=fr
..?
*shudder*
Jesus, why do you hate us, FuckWit? Is it because we are Jews??
Nor should anyone forget...
'I would like to stand at the place and kill the Jew, who stands
opposite me'
url:http://www.google.fr/groups?ie=UTF-8&as_umsgid=5vAv9.78105%24r7.1...@twister.tampabay.rr.com&lr=&hl=fr
I bet your pals on 'Stormfront' would _love_ that, eh ?
> But I'll make another deal with him. He admits he is lying about being
> Jewish, and I'll provide everyone with my real name [1], and my real
> address, since I will probably not be at that address much longer.
Yeah, sure. What's the next 'offer', FuckWit ? Deny my Jewishness, and
you'll post a 'readers' wives' photo of Nadia with a small French flag
sticking out of her cunt ?
We already know your address, FuckWit. Why lie ? Why not come clean ?
It'll do you good, James. You've been beaten. You've lost. Accept it,
and ... but .. James ? Why are you crying ??
You didn't really expect to get away with libelling, and lying, and abusing
from behind anonymity, did you ?
<fx: The FuckWit waves an angry fist>
'I can lie whenever I like, "desi" [sic] ! I'm an "American" [sic] !!'
Well that's true, FuckWit. No one can stop your lying, but I can certainly
explode them when I encounter them. Happily for me, all the cards are
stacked in my favour, starting with the obvious fact that I'm brighter than
you. Well, that doesn't really narrow it down, as anyone who isn't
brighter than you, probably has a season ticket for his local branch of
'Motor Function Reanimation R Us'. Second, I'm funnier than you. Third,
I'm a far, _far_ better writer than you. Fourth, I'm an abolitionist and
thus morally am trillions of light years ahead of you. Fifth, however, is
the clincher: I do not give a shit about what you say about me. You do.
You are an insecure ('bookcases', anyone ? ROFL!!) wannabee intellectual
('philosophers I have known', anyone ? *snort*) whose cretinous opinions
wouldn't even need my intervention, if I didn't get a kick out of
tormenting you.
Now dry your eyes, Nazi Noles. I'm almost finished for the evening.
>>>Mr Noles would have perhaps been able to continue to libel whilst hiding
>>>behind a persona, but he made the mistake of creating an AOL address, to
>>>violate my copyright on posts made here. He is very lucky that I did
>>>not ask for his social security numbers and credit background, too, but
>>>I consider that those really are 'private', and besides, euro exposed
>>>him, and on that score, I decree that his punishment is over.
> Actually, I've never subscribed to AOL in my entire life, much less used
> it to post in AADP. I abhor AOL, and was one of the first who subscribed
> to Earthlink, after leaving some provider whose name I cannot even
> remember (think it started with a "C") that has long gone belly up. I
> still have my EarthLink account, and the only other account I have ever
> used is my cable access since I moved to Florida. Earthlink does not
> provide personal information to ANYONE, without a court order. They are
> quick to take away an account if recognizing abuse, and you'll notice I
> still have mind. But without a court order, that is the end of it. But
> ask him about losing his account with ntlworld.com. Now THAT'S the
> truth. And notice that he has much more time on his hands to post
> lately.... see his theme song ...
> http://www.oldielyrics.com/lyrics/styx/too_much_time_on_my_hands.html
How many lies in that lot ? I believe that we may have a new record.
Briefly ... you no longer have your account with AOL, but you did, and you
_were_ behind the 'dolly' persona. Earthlink does not pay its technical
support staff very well, FuckWit. A hundred dollar bill is untraceable (I
have no idea how much the person got, but since I paid the 'PI' (to use the
common term) 300 US$, I'd be very surprised if the poor git got more than a
hundred bucks). Nor have I tried to have your account terminated. Why
should I ? The only action I took was to contact Earthlink and ask if they
really thought it was a good idea for one of their subscribers to be
posting as 'he_who_sp...@zeouane.org', when i) that domain didn't
belong to him, and b) that address was well-established as having been used
by someone else. Even then, I only did that because of your arrogant and
belligerent challenges to, 'make me stop, "desi" [sic] !!'. So I did. I'm
not going to claim with certitude that they told you to stop, but I did
note that you 'mysteriously' stopped making those posts just after I
entered into contact with an affable young man called Steve at the
Earthlink 'Executive Response "Center" [sic]'. Anyone wanting to check
this, may ask Earthlink for details of ticket n° KMM3099560C0KM (where _do_
they get their ticket numbers from ??). Oh and finally, I never had an
account with 'ntlworld.com', FuckWit. I've had accounts with Compuserve,
Demon, Club-Internet, Pratique.fr (sadly defunct now, but they were damn
good), noos, and now wanadoo.fr. ntlworld.com is (now watch my lips) a
UK-based provider. You might think that Geneva is in France [1], but
surely you don't also believe that the UK is here, too ..?
*guffaw*
> [1] My wife's name is Michele :-)))) -- See
> http://groups-beta.google.com/group/alt.activism.death-penalty/msg/a435abc84b07439c
LOL !!!!!!
Yeah, sure FuckWit. And Earl has posted as 'Gaston', so his real name is
'Gaston' !!!
Har, har, har ... you just can't stop lying, can you ?
That post was made by you, FuckWit. It doesn't take a genius like me to
look at the style of writing, and equate it with our favourite illiterate
hic. Indeed, just after that post, I, in a typically selfless act of
self-sacrifice, changed my posting name to 'defeat' Donna's killfile (as
it was at the time), to warn her ...
'Donna, PV is making fun of you. The posts to which you reply, were
made by him, not by his "wife"'.
Donna's response was ...
'I knew this from the start. So it was my joke on him to go along with
his "let's pretend."'
Oh, and why let's remind the group of your response to Donna's post, shall
we ..?
'did you "REALLY" [sic] think I was trying to "fool" you, Donna? Do
you really think I find you that stupid? Only Desmond finds you that
stupid. I do not. I was positive that you would know it was not my
wife, nor was I actually trying to be that deceptive.'
url:http://www.google.fr/groups?q=g:thl3877398711d&dq=&hl=fr&lr=&selm=aveuqv0rruc20bgg1ijucj14hhutvph7tg%404ax.com
Oh but I know .. . the little ':-)))' was because you were 'speaking
metaphorically', right ..?
url:http://www.chez.com/desmondcoughlan/dp/gimmicks/171.html
Wrong. If no one had noticed (and let's face it: who here has the stomach
to go all the way through to the bottom of your posts these days ?), it'd
have stood in google unnoticed until in a few months or a year, you'd have
claimed, 'My wife's name is Michele. Look, I even stated this on 26
February 2005 ...' with a URL to this post. That was what the smiley was
for: an 'insurance policy'. If no one noticed it, fine you could let it
'sleep' on google until you had to use it to prove that your wife's name
was 'Michelle' (which it isn't, and everyone knows that). If someone did
notice it, you could invoke FuckWit Patented Gimmick (TM) N° 1, the 'just
trolling' gimmick ...
url:http://www.chez.com/desmondcoughlan/dp/gimmicks/1.html
You are a lying scum, FuckWit.
Now you be a good lad, and let's see some more apoplexy. You go, boy !!
--
D...@zeouane.org
Jewish and Proud of It
James Noles is a Liar: http://tinyurl.com/6nxeo
The AADP Spectrum: http://www.chez.com/desmondcoughlan/dp/aadp_spectrum.gif
Online Agenda: url:http://minilien.fr/a0jza8
Jim Noles
It's a mistake because you and Desmond both have your head so far
up the rectum of each other, that you are unable to see yourself,
as others see you. But I'm certain that Desmond is glad to have you
back... since his support was becoming quite shaky. Given that
Desmond has already posted two separate addresses, of various
Jim Noles, this is not baseball and he is provided three strikes before
he's out. The fact is he has NOT made sure that he got the right
man, or he would have offered only one man. And in both cases,
he is simply in a rage, because of his impotent capacity to effectively
cyber-stalk... while you have much better capabilities in Nazis sniffing
out others.
> Maybe Cerberus will prove, for once, that
> he actually _has_ a point. So far, all I can see is that James Noles lies,
> distorts, defames, insults and Cerberus finds it all right. He was right to
> choose a nickname recalling the name of a dog: more servile than that, would
> be difficult to find.
>
Oh... my... this is the euro that insists he never insults. ROTFLMAO.
But tell us again how you would save a few hundred murderers from
the DP, and end the DP, before you would save every innocent slave,
and end slavery. Could you perhaps repeat your justification for saving
murderers and telling innocent slaves to wait for the next guy to worry
about them. This should be interesting. You really are a hateful person,
euro. Everyone here is aware of that, and Desmond actually thanks you
for being so hateful.
JN
> Euro
>
Jim Noles
<D...@zeouane.org> paused from pleasuring himself and wrote:
>D.C. 'The animal of Auschwitz' <D...@zeouane.org> decided that Hitler could
substitute for that education and wrote:
>{ snip }
>
>> Oh and finally, I never had an account with 'ntlworld.com', FuckWit.
But you certainly did, Desmond... and the URL under that account was
claimed by as yours... 80.3.57.143
>> I've had accounts with Compuserve, Demon, Club-Internet, Pratique.fr
>> (sadly defunct now, but they were damn good), noos, and now wanadoo.fr.
>
And apparently you were kicked out of all of them. Many Usenet abusers
run through various accounts. In fact, here is a random header from one
of your posts using ntlworld.com and that URL...
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Sender: Des <d...@cyric.cyberian.co.uk>
Message-ID: <up7f42-...@zeouane.org>
From: <he_who_sp...@zeouane.org>
Subject: Re: America the Benevolent........
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>And 'nerim'. Almost forgot them. They were pretty good, if a bit
>expensive, but then you can get a fixed IP, which suited me at the time as
>my server was up.
>
Who gives a shit about your lies, Desmond? Oh, wait a minute.. I do!
I care about your lie claiming you are Jewish, because it insults the
Jews, and you use that lie only to offer anti-Jewish, and anti-Semitic
comments.
JN
>--
>D...@zeouane.org
>Jewish and Proud of It
Euro
"Jim Noles" <abc...@zbqytr.ykq> wrote in message
news:EpaUd.92035$pc5....@tornado.tampabay.rr.com...
I believe you must be speaking for yourself, as you are unable to see
yourself as others see you: a huge waste of bandwidth who is unable to make
a point.
> Oh... my... this is the euro that insists he never insults.
I do with Cerberus as with yourself, James: as both of you are unable to get
up to my level, I get down to yours. Cerberus insulted me two times in this
thread, and I trust it is just sheer hypocrisy that you did not even notice
it.
Now, one more remark to both you and Cerberus: the elements given so far by
Desmond are enough, to me, to make sure that the James Noles who lies, fakes
diplomas, defames other posters and trolls this group with utter distortions
of quotes and diversions, is living in Leesburg, Florida, in Ranchwood
Drive.
If that is not convincing enough for both of you, I have more elements and
stay at your disposal to publish them.
Euro
Jim Noles
education <D...@zeouane.org> turned from admiring his grade school
graduation certificate for one moment and wrote:
>James 'Never Went to University' Noles <na...@earthlink.net> wrote ...
>
Actually, James Noles has an advanced degree -- See --
http://home.earthlink.net/~onetimeuse/boston.jpg
http://home.earthlink.net/~onetimeuse/Boston_Letter.jpg
http://home.earthlink.net/~onetimeuse/Boston_transcript.jpg
This is what so bothers you, Desmond... since you lacked the prerequisite
God-given ability to attain such a degree. Care to share your pain with us?
Yes... you're a regular combination Laurel and Hardy here, Desmond.
Your ability to bring a chuckle to me, is quite extraordinary. That
is in those moments that you are not diabolically attack humans
of all shades, heritage, and nationality. In those cases, you push
the buttons of every ethical and rational person on this planet.
You know... your hero, the little Nazi bastard that dropped the
Zyklon-B also pushed the "buttons" which opened the canister.
>> Seriously... he has disrupted the personal lives of a few Jim Noles in
>> Florida, simply to try and satisfy his personal obsession. He has not
>> paid any money, David. He is simply offering more of his lies. Nor has
>> he located the right Jim Noles, but he has now obsessed about one, and
>> knows, just as he knows about his lie that he is Jewish, he must now
>> concentrate on convincing everyone that he is not a liar. I find it
>> hilarious each time he comes up with that pitiful _exposure_, because he
>> is really at the end of his rope, and has only that lie to hold on to.
>> Like my wife would be a Democrat!!! He has already come up with two
>> different names he has cyber stalked, even providing maps to their homes.
>> Consider him pathetic, and move on. Since accepting that he has been in
>> contact with a private investigator in Florida, is as believable as the
>> FBI having given him a commendation for _apprehending_ Don Kool. Even if
>> he were to actually locate me, he could not back down now, because as
>> with his lie that he is Jewish, it has become essential that he cannot
>> admit a mistake twice.
>
>There are several factors to consider, FuckWit. One is my post to Cerby,
>detailing the factors which contribute to 'damning' you as a liar; which
>leads us nicely to the second factor, FuckWit and it is this: even if I had
>made a mistake, the mere fact that you are denying being the James Noles
>whom I have named, makes it a complete, almost _pure_ certainty that you
>_are_ that James Noles.
>
Which James Noles, Desmond? Since we have at least two. Why don't
you call both of them again, and ask them which one is which? And then
hang your head in shame, as a worthless scum cyber-stalker, knowing that
your obscenities, lies, hate, rage, insults and mindless drivel have not done
the trick. But getting rid of me would be quite easy, Desmond. Just admit
you have lied for years about being Jewish, promise to never lie again,
and I will immediately leave, and you can release that strangle hold you
have on the Jews, holding them hostage for the ransom you demand of
me. It would be a blessed relief to see you admit to your lie, and I am
quite willing to pay that ransom to you, if you simply stop strangling the
Jews with your lie. It would sadden me to leave this fine group, that
you have tried so hard to destroy, but it would be worth it.... for the
Jews... and the slaughtered victims of the Holocaust that you insist
not a single one of them... were murdered.
>I must admit to havin been confused when you first claimed that dirt and I
>had 'doctored' the diploma that you posted.
>
I doubt seriously that you will ever gain sufficient intelligent to recognize
the slightest bit of any of your confusion. Purple_vein in the forehead time,
Desmond.
>I now know that it was your natural predeliction for lying.
My what? Gee... I thought you said you were educated? Given that you
insisted that John Rennie could not reveal your lie... you have no room to
talk. But what about 9/11?
> You lie about
>everything, not for any 'gain' (as you've lost every argument since you
>arrived on news:alt.activism.death-penalty), but simply because you can.
Where is your advanced degree? Oh... I remember... it's at the printers.
Because you need it updated, now that your job search is on.
>Not that it matters, for in fact I have now, twice, provided the evidence,
>_irrefutable_ evidence, that you lied in your claims that dirt and I
>'doctored' your 'diploma', and in fact everyone now knows that this...
>
>url:http://www.chez.com/desmondcoughlan/dp/FuckWit_false_diploma.jpg
>
Yeah... you and dirt... two monkeys fucking a football.
>... is the image that you posted on 2 March 2003.
>
>url:http://www.google.fr/groups?as_umsgid=dngue2...@zeouane.org&lr=&hl=fr
>url:http://www.google.fr/groups?as_umsgid=tvn6f2...@free.fr&lr=&hl=fr
Sorry, sport. Or is that you're a sorry sport, sport? It's not, and neither is any
of your cyber stalking accurate. But give a *ring* *ring*. Or continue to pay
out a bundle. I LOVE to see you spend money. How much will that "private
investigator" charge for the pictures? Send me a few when you get them.
Will Michele (one "l") be surprised. Almost as much as when you said she
was a "Democrat." Ho ho ho.
Clipped Desmond experiencing another psychotic episode. As he dreams
about slaughtering the Jews, having insisted that he finds it would not be
murder to do so, since it is only murder to him, when murderers are
killed by the state, and in any case he insists that the Jews are legally
"inhuman." Isn't that you view, Desmond? Isn't it legal to kill Jews,
and not murder, but murder to kill murderers with a lawful DP in your
view?
>> But I'll make another deal with him. He admits he is lying about being
>> Jewish, and I'll provide everyone with my real name [1], and my real
>> address, since I will probably not be at that address much longer.
>
>Yeah, sure. What's the next 'offer', FuckWit ? Deny my Jewishness, and
>you'll post a 'readers' wives' photo of Nadia with a small French flag
>sticking out of her cunt ?
>
Oh... my ... Desmond turns nasty in his rage. That purple_vein about to
explode as he again attacks families. Your needle dick, the one that was
never circumcised since it only consisted of foreskin as it was, and they
couldn't take _everything_ away from you, could not handle Michele,
Desmond. Admit your lie that you are Jewish, and I will gone in that
instant. That's all it takes. For you to release that strangle hold you have
on the Jews, and accept the ransom I am willing to pay to see them set
free by you. I am sure that euro is begging you as well to take the
offer, since he finds nothing wrong with admitting that you've used the
Jews. Test me, Desmond... just admit to that one lie out of the hundreds
you've told here, and you'll be released to lie about everything again, except
claiming you are Jewish, or lies you tell about the Jews. Word of honor,
I'll be gone. But you will not do that... because you enjoy squeezing them
harder and harder, hoping to gain more in your ransom demands from me.
I thought you said it would be easy for you to do that?
>>>>Mr Noles would have perhaps been able to continue to libel whilst hiding
>>>>behind a persona, but he made the mistake of creating an AOL address, to
>>>>violate my copyright on posts made here. He is very lucky that I did
>>>>not ask for his social security numbers and credit background, too, but
>>>>I consider that those really are 'private', and besides, euro exposed
>>>>him, and on that score, I decree that his punishment is over.
>
>> Actually, I've never subscribed to AOL in my entire life, much less used
>> it to post in AADP. I abhor AOL, and was one of the first who subscribed
>> to Earthlink, after leaving some provider whose name I cannot even
>> remember (think it started with a "C") that has long gone belly up. I
>> still have my EarthLink account, and the only other account I have ever
>> used is my cable access since I moved to Florida. Earthlink does not
>> provide personal information to ANYONE, without a court order. They are
>> quick to take away an account if recognizing abuse, and you'll notice I
>> still have mind. But without a court order, that is the end of it. But
>> ask him about losing his account with ntlworld.com. Now THAT'S the
>> truth. And notice that he has much more time on his hands to post
>> lately.... see his theme song ...
>> http://www.oldielyrics.com/lyrics/styx/too_much_time_on_my_hands.html
>
>How many lies in that lot ? I believe that we may have a new record.
>Briefly ... you no longer have your account with AOL, but you did, and you
>_were_ behind the 'dolly' persona.
Actually, you're a bold faced liar, and you know it. Of course, we all
know that when you held your AOL account, you used the handle
joe1orbit. Come on, Desmond... admit it... you do enjoy claiming
that murderers are just having fun, doing a bit of _harvesting_ of their
victims. 'Fess up... which one is more important to you... the murderer
or the victim? We already know the answer from your past posts.
In fact, the dead murderer is more important to you, than the dead
victim... since you insisted that a dead murderer can be insulted...
but dead victims cannot.
> Earthlink does not pay its technical
>support staff very well, FuckWit. A hundred dollar bill is untraceable (I
>have no idea how much the person got, but since I paid the 'PI' (to use the
>common term) 300 US$, I'd be very surprised if the poor git got more than a
>hundred bucks). Nor have I tried to have your account terminated. Why
>should I ? The only action I took was to contact Earthlink and ask if they
>really thought it was a good idea for one of their subscribers to be
>posting as 'he_who_sp...@zeouane.org', when i) that domain didn't
>belong to him, and b) that address was well-established as having been used
>by someone else. Even then, I only did that because of your arrogant and
>belligerent challenges to, 'make me stop, "desi" [sic] !!'. So I did. I'm
>not going to claim with certitude that they told you to stop, but I did
>note that you 'mysteriously' stopped making those posts just after I
>entered into contact with an affable young man called Steve at the
>Earthlink 'Executive Response "Center" [sic]'. Anyone wanting to check
>this, may ask Earthlink for details of ticket n° KMM3099560C0KM (where _do_
>they get their ticket numbers from ??).
Called earthlink... It's all a lie... They told me to forward your message
to fr...@abuse.earthlink.net.... and they would contact your provider...
Done... we'll see what happens here... but I swear that I have taken this
to earthlink, since it constitutes slander of earthlink... not me. And
a fraudulent misrepresentation of earthlink.
Oh and finally, I never had an
>account with 'ntlworld.com', FuckWit.
Of course you have. For six months you posted through ntlworld.com
you liar. Of course, you have archive turned off, except in rare instances,
but that only exposes the fact even you know you lie, and need to hide
those lies. I have just posted a comment from you, including the
header, from back on July 3, 2004, in the thread "Question for Jigsaw,
Richard." There it is... warts and all. Your post through ntlworld.com.
> I've had accounts with Compuserve,
>Demon, Club-Internet, Pratique.fr (sadly defunct now, but they were damn
>good), noos, and now wanadoo.fr. ntlworld.com is (now watch my lips) a
>UK-based provider. You might think that Geneva is in France [1], but
>surely you don't also believe that the UK is here, too ..?
>
Apparently ntlworld.com is not the only provider that has decided you
are more trouble than you are worth.
<once again... clipped Desmond raving>
Apparently you do have a lot more time on your hands, Desmond. Care to
share with us? See --
http://www.oldielyrics.com/lyrics/styx/too_much_time_on_my_hands.html
JN
>D...@zeouane.org
>Jewish and Proud of It
Donna Evleth
> From: "Euro" <vs...@hotmail.com>
> Newsgroups: alt.activism.death-penalty
> Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2005 11:25:22 +0800
> Subject: Re: Been Alive Too Long
>
>
Dogs are servile? You have not met our Gaston.
Donna Evleth
>
Jim Noles
news:1109481123.4a3b52494034b050ccd8b52818ac785e@meganetnews2...
>
> "Jim Noles" <abc...@zbqytr.ykq> wrote in message news:EpaUd.92035$pc5....@tornado.tampabay.rr.com...
>> "Euro" <vs...@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:1109388334.15b2552f10eed6ab2709f8e1e5e46e9d@meganetnews2...
>>>
>>> "D.C." <D...@zeouane.org> wrote in message news:24s3f2-...@free.fr...
>>>> D.C. <D...@zeouane.org> wrote:
<clip>
> If that is not convincing enough for both of you, I have more elements and stay at your disposal to publish them.
>
It must be a terrible moral burden you bear, to both love murderers and hate
Jews and Americans, as you do. With you seeing you are only capable of
cyber-stalking to support both your love affair with murderers and your hate
for those who recognize your love affair. After all, you already insisted in
your sadistic posturing that I am left "powerlessness," "helpless, ineffective"
in the face of your cyber stalking"elements" including the whip and chain.
I could literally picture the sweat pour off your grimy face, with that
leering, and sneering smirk on it, as you picture yourself punishing the
"helpless." Please don't beat me anymore, Mr. Nazi... PLEASE...
I BEG YOU! Put down that "element" of a whip, and have pity on
this poor defenseless, helpless, ineffective human being. I confess...
I confess... just don't beat me anymore, Master. I confess that I
don't particularly like murderers. I confess I am a supporter of the Jews,
and innocent slaves. Just don't beat me anymore, massa... I
promise to be a good slave to you from now on. Look...I even stopped
listing your sins in each of my posts. Please...please... Master...
don't beat me anymore.... Oh... NO... not the thumbscrews, Master...
please... anything but the thumbscrews...ahhhhhh...uggggggg.....
ohhhhhh....
But that's not good enough for you... Only the supreme punishment of
seeing that you murder me, after that torture will satisfy you. What
an insult you are to the moral argument of abolition.
JN
> Euro
Cerberus
snip
>Now we're waiting for Cerberus to give a demonstration with arguments why he
>believes all this was a mistake. Maybe Cerberus will prove, for once, that
>he actually _has_ a point. So far, all I can see is that James Noles lies,
>distorts, defames, insults and Cerberus finds it all right. He was right to
>choose a nickname recalling the name of a dog: more servile than that, would
>be difficult to find.
>
>Euro
If this is your attempt to insult or provoke me Euro, it did not work.
I don't know why I am even talking to you quite frankly, as I consider
you to be despicable and treacherous.
Lets face it, there is not a lot of good that can be said for a poster
(whom on getting his arse kicked regularly by another poster) stoops
to the level that you did by unmasking the aforesaid anonymous posters
real name.
The fanfare and orgy of congratulation as well as the vocal
application of suction from your menagerie of newly found sycophants
and toadies was sickening. It made me reflect upon the moral maturity
of the person behind the poster.
Yes....you Euro...I'm referring to you. You have no moral value.
What vacuum of self worth would allow you to take a purely verbal and
non threatening altercation and disagreement into the 'world' Euro?
What mental processing deficit would allow you to be so incensed by
the provocation received from your nemesis, that you considered your
manhood to be so at risk and you allowed yourself to prostitute your
Honour?
As if any such commodity exists in the genetic make-up of one
descended from such heroic specimens as ran screaming like schoolgirls
as soon a jackboot crossed the border or who detonated nuclear weapons
at Mururoa Atoll, as far away from home as they could get.
These questions will of course remain unanswered, as I sense in
advance your confusion, and your lack of understanding of my words.
I see you as a low grade non-entity, who does not deserve to be in the
company of men.
Do yourself a real favour and do not talk to me again, you vile little
creature.
Thank you.
--
WooF w00f WooF
Euro
> On Sat, 26 Feb 2005 11:25:22 +0800, "Euro" <vs...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> snip
>
>>Now we're waiting for Cerberus to give a demonstration with arguments why
>>he
>>believes all this was a mistake. Maybe Cerberus will prove, for once, that
>>he actually _has_ a point. So far, all I can see is that James Noles lies,
>>distorts, defames, insults and Cerberus finds it all right. He was right
>>to
>>choose a nickname recalling the name of a dog: more servile than that,
>>would
>>be difficult to find.
>>
>>Euro
>
> If this is your attempt to insult or provoke me Euro, it did not work.
>
> I don't know why I am even talking to you quite frankly, as I consider
> you to be despicable and treacherous.
At least I am something to you, Cerberus. I wish I could use a word to
qualify you, but I don't. You're just useless. The fact that you could not
even find one minute to call on James Noles about his use of lies and
distortions to build personal vendettas against other posters speaks for
itself. Don't come to tell me about moral value. You're using words that go
beyond your imagination.
Euro
Euro
"Donna Evleth" <dev...@wanadoo.fr> wrote in message
news:BE4768F1.225E%dev...@wanadoo.fr...
> Dogs are servile? You have not met our Gaston.
>
> Donna Evleth
Gaston has dignity. Not all dogs have.
Euro
Jim Noles
Jesus..now euro is attacking "man's best friend." :-)
Please don't beat me, Master...
JN
> Euro
>
Jim Noles
wrote in message news:1109591813.04408748084c1a64f284ad96a779ccd4@meganetnews2...
Quite right... it's useless to speak to you of moral values. Cerberus
and others have seen that it is. After all you considered yourself
moral to admit that your purpose was to provide "punishment"
to another human being, and then gloat that he is "helpless" in the
face of your whips and chains, in your algophilia. But please, euro...
please Mr. Nazi... please don't torture me anymore with those
"elements" of whips and chains you find bring a smirk to your
grimy face. I confess, Mr. Nazi... I'm James Noles... but please
don't torture me anymore. I promise to be a good slave to you
from now on. Look...I even stopped listing your sins in each of
my posts. Please...please... Master... don't beat me anymore....
Oh... NO... not the 'toe-nail tearing tool'!!! Master... please...
anything but the 'toe-nail tearing tool'!!!...ahhhhhh...uggggggg.....
ohhhhhh.... Please...
> You're using words that go beyond your imagination.
ROTFLMAO... Can you possibly see how pathetic you are? No... I'm
quite certain you cannot. You've dug yourself in so deep in your own
excreta, that seeing your way out, is just not possible. What you
need is a shovel... and a quick admission that you contaminated
the idea of morality, in claiming you enjoy administering "punishment"
to someone who finds you so repulsive. I presume that some young
lady who happened to find you repulsive, would come in for some
of that "punishment" in you cyber stalking her, because you find
her "helpless." That, coupled with your support for Islamic
practices should put all young women on warning.
JN
> Euro
>
dirtdog
>On Sat, 26 Feb 2005 11:25:22 +0800, "Euro" <vs...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>snip
>
>>Now we're waiting for Cerberus to give a demonstration with arguments why he
>>believes all this was a mistake. Maybe Cerberus will prove, for once, that
>>he actually _has_ a point. So far, all I can see is that James Noles lies,
>>distorts, defames, insults and Cerberus finds it all right. He was right to
>>choose a nickname recalling the name of a dog: more servile than that, would
>>be difficult to find.
>>
>>Euro
>
>If this is your attempt to insult or provoke me Euro, it did not work.
Well, Cerby, I have to say that the forty-odd lines of clumsy and
_unfunny_ lashing out that followed, culminating in this...
"Do yourself a real favour and do not talk to me again, you vile
little creature."
...tends to suggest to me that it did work. Very well indeed.
w00f
John Rennie
"dirtdog" <dir...@LICKMYBALLSfruffrant.com> wrote in message
news:dnf7219ln55qf96me...@4ax.com...
Great minds again, doggie. I am continually amazed at how easy it is to
provoke most here.
Cerberus
<jo...@rennie69.wanadoo.co.uk> wrote:
snip
>
>Great minds again, doggie. I am continually amazed at how easy it is to
>provoke most here.
Oh do wipe the cum off your cheek John. The only amazing thing
hereabouts is the rustling of the cockroaches in the cupboard as the
poster boy of the moment gets a kick in the nuts for being an amoral,
spineless and non-principled cunt. It would make my eyes water if I
were such a low-life as well. Never mind, it is at least fun watching
the Triumvirate blow what remains of their credibility out of their
respective arse's, along with the remains of yesterdays Obsession
Soup.
--
WooF w00f WooF
Cerberus
wrote:
snip
>>If this is your attempt to insult or provoke me Euro, it did not work.
>
>Well, Cerby, I have to say that the forty-odd lines of clumsy and
>_unfunny_ lashing out that followed, culminating in this...
Oh....I dunno. If my in box is any indication, then there was the
occasional titter raised around the world.
>
>"Do yourself a real favour and do not talk to me again, you vile
>little creature."
>
>...tends to suggest to me that it did work. Very well indeed.
What were you yesterday dirtdog....the duty dickhead?
I know it must be galling to be aligned with such a completely
unprincipled sav-sucker, but I would guess that even you would not
have anticipated having to conduct a rear guard action on his behalf.
Never mind....as needs, must.
Fate makes strange bedfellows.
Now that we have established your whoredom, what's your price?
--
WooF w00f WooF
Jim Noles
spell "iliteritt"?' <D...@zeouane.org> wrote:
>James 'Never Went to University' Noles <na...@earthlink.net> wrote ...
>
>> I could literally picture the sweat pour off your grimy face, with that
>> leering, and sneering smirk on it, as you picture yourself punishing the
>> "helpless." Please don't beat me anymore, Mr. Nazi... PLEASE... I BEG
>> YOU! Put down that "element" of a whip, and have pity on this poor
>> defenseless, helpless, ineffective human being. I confess... I
>> confess... just don't beat me anymore, Master. I confess that I don't
>> particularly like murderers. I confess I am a supporter of the Jews, and
>> innocent slaves. Just don't beat me anymore, massa... I promise to be a
>> good slave to you from now on. Look...I even stopped listing your sins
>> in each of my posts. Please...please... Master... don't beat me
>> anymore.... Oh... NO... not the thumbscrews, Master... please...
>> anything but the thumbscrews...ahhhhhh...uggggggg..... ohhhhhh....
>
><fx: shakes head sadly ...>
>
And then Desmond spits in the face of some Jew he claims is legally
"inhuman" But please, Mister SS man... please don't cyber stalk me
any more... please don't drown me... oh... NO.. not the fish tank...
please... anything but the fishtank.... bubb..blubbb... blubbbbb....
JN
>--
>D...@zeouane.org
>100% Jewish and Proud of It
Euro
Indeed, as Dirdog said... It worked pretty well. However, part of the fun on
usenet is to see Cerberus brandish concepts like "moral values" or
"credibility", when his behaviour has constantly shown that he has a
particular complacency for lie and lack of credibility.
Cerberus, having several heads, must have put his "moral values" and
"credibility" in the only head he never uses when he writes to Aadp.
Euro