those that live by the sword...
mr.smartypants
<329d7888-6f65-4f1d...@p8g2000yqb.googlegroups.com>,
Raymond <Bluer...@aol.com> wrote:
> > > There.are documented cases of at least 230 American officers
> > > killed by their own troops, and as many as 1,400 other officers'
> > > deaths could not be explained (Vietnam)
> >
> > > In the U.S. military, fragging refers to the act of attacking a
> > > superior officer with a fragmentation grenade. The term originated in
> > > the Vietnam War and was most commonly used to mean assassination of
> > > an
> > > unpopular officer of one's own fighting unit, often by means of a
> > > fragmentation grenade, hence the term. Although the term is derived
> > > from the grenade, the act was more commonly committed with firearms
> > > during combat in Vietnam
> >
> > > A hand grenade was often used because it would not leave any
> > > fingerprints, and because a ballistics test could not be performed
> > > (as
> > > it could to match a bullet with a firearm). The grenade would often
> > > be
> > > thrown into the officer's tent while he slept.
> >
> > > In WW 1.An unpopular sergeant was killed when one of his men came up
> > > behind him and dropped an unpinned hand grenade down his trousers.
> > > Thus the term : hot pants.
> >
> > > Sometimes the intended victim would be 'warned' by first having a
> > > smoke grenade thrown into his tent. If he persisted in antagonizing
> > > his men, this would be followed by a stun grenade, and finally by a
> > > fragmentation grenade.
> >
> > > A fragging victim could also be killed by intentional "friendly fire"
> > > during combat. In this case, the death would be blamed on the enemy,
> > > and, because of the dead man's unpopularity, the perpetrator could
> > > assume that no one would contradict the story
> >
> > > After the My Lai Massacre, when interviewed by investigators,
> > > soldiers
> > > serving under Lieutenant William L. Calley Jr. disliked him so much
> > > that they considered fragging him. They should have and it's not to
> > > late.
> >
> > > Fragging most often involved the murder of a commanding officer
> > > (C.O.)
> > > or a senior noncommissioned officer[citation needed] perceived as
> > > unpopular, harsh, inept, or overzealous. Many soldiers were not
> > > overly
> > > keen to go into harm's way, and preferred leaders with a similar
> > > sense
> > > of self-preservation. If a C.O. was incompetent, fragging the officer
> > > was considered a means to the end of self preservation for the men
> > > serving under him. Fragging might also occur if a commander freely
> > > took on dangerous or suicidal missions, especially if he was deemed
> > > to
> > > be seeking glory for himself.
> >
> > > The very idea of fragging served to warn junior officers to avoid the
> > > ire of their enlisted men through recklessness, cowardice, or lack of
> > > leadership. Junior officers in turn could arrange the murder of
> > > senior
> > > officers when finding them incompetent or wasting their men's lives
> > > needlessly. Underground GI newspapers sometimes listed bounties
> > > offered by units for the fragging of unpopular commanding officers.
> >
> > > Throughout the course of the Vietnam War, fragging was reportedly
> > > common. There are documented cases of at least 230 American officers
> > > killed by their own troops, and as many as 1,400 other officers'
> > > deaths could not be explained.Incidents of fragging have been
> > > recorded
> > > as far back as the 18th century Battle of Blenheim.
> >
> > > Ref. Hedges, Chris (2003). What Every Person Should Know About War.
> > > Free Press. ISBN 0-7432-5512-7.
> >
> > > Remember From Here To Eternity:
> > > Private Robert E. Lee "Prew" Prewitt (Montgomery Clift) is a loner
> > > who
> > > lives by his own code of ethics and communicates better with his
> > > bugle
> > > than he does with words. Prew's best friend is wisecracking Maggio
> > > (Frank Sinatra, in an Oscar-winning performance that revived his
> > > Flagging career), who has been targeted for persecution by sadistic
> > > stockade sergeant Fatso Judson (Ernest Borgnine).
> >
> > >http://www.hotflick.net/pictures/953FHE_Ernest_Borgnine_001.html
> >
> > In the USA civil war 600,000 American soldiers killed each other
> >
> > Is what Maj Nidal Malik Hasan did any different to what īŋŊGeorge
> > Washington did in 1775
> >
> > George Washington opened fire on American born soldiers MANY times
> >
> > Maj Nidal Malik Hasan, a US-born citizen, opened fire at Fort Hood on
> > Thursday, killing 13 people. George Washington killed many thousands ,
> > and stole much of their land and wealth
> >
> > īŋŊSome claim the shooting was īŋŊthe most devastating ever committed on
> > military personnel on the Mainland of the US , yank soldiers are
> > always attacking each other , the winner always gets to pretend they
> > are HEROES
> >
> > USA soldiers have killed over 600,000 other soldiers in one single
> > war , probably millions if all īŋŊwars are counted
> > Casualties and losses in civil war
> > 110,000 killed in action
> > 360,000 total dead
> > 275,200 wounded īŋŊ īŋŊ īŋŊ īŋŊ 93,000 killed in action
> > 260,000 total dead
> > 137,000+ wounded
> >
> > Is what Maj Nidal Malik Hasan did any different to what happened in
> > 1775 īŋŊwhen George Washington attacked the SOLDIERS of the īŋŊthen
> > GOVERNMENT because he did not agree with paying 2 īŋŊcents tax on a
> > pound for tea
> >
> > More than 300,000 people are buried in an area of 624 acres (2.53
> > km2). Veterans and military casualties from every one of the nation's
> > wars are interred in the cemetery ,
> >
> > TWICE that number were killed by other USA soldiers ON AMERICAN SOIL
> > in the Civil Warhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Civil_War
> >
> > The Fort Hood attack began at about 1330 (1930 GMT) on Thursday at a
> > personnel and medical centre at Fort Hood - the largest US military
> > base in the world, home to about 40,000 troops.
> >
> > George Washington LED many attacks on the SOLDIERS of the then
> > Government , because he WON that makes his actions HEROIC , had he
> > lost or been captured he would hang as a traitor who killed tens of
> > thousands of his fellow native born countrymen
> >
> > viewable at:http://docs.google.com/View?id=dcgk9t7p_184d9tk9phg
> >
> > Most of the people George Washington killed were American īŋŊborn
> > citizens , not īŋŊborn īŋŊin some over seas country īŋŊ, Washington attacked
> > his OWN country's soldiers and killed thousands because e did not like
> > the way his country was being run , he chose to kill the Governments
> > soldiers , īŋŊinstead of using politics to achieve change like in
> > australia and NZ
> >
> > Major Hassan simply followed George Washington role model and advice ,
> > seems its the American way , not the ISLAMIC way after all
> >
> > The īŋŊAmerican Revolution, whereby some colonists rejected the
> > legitimacy of the Parliament īŋŊto govern them without fair and just
> > representation, claiming that this violated their Rights īŋŊand it was
> > their LAWFUL right to use guns to rectify the problems they
> > perceived , by shooting the government īŋŊsoldiers and those who
> > supported them
> >
> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Revolutionary_War
> > in 1776 by formally declaring new LAWS applied īŋŊ, and inventing a new
> > country īŋŊthey named the United States of America īŋŊ claiming
> > sovereignty and rejecting on the existing LAWS. īŋŊFrance had been
> > providing supplies, ammunition and weapons to the rebels beginning in
> > 1776, the Continentals' capture of īŋŊ army weapons in 1777 led France
> > to formally enter the war on the side of the īŋŊself proclaimed "United
> > States" in early 1778, which evened the military strength with
> > existing government forces.
> >
> > George Washington went from a criminal who broke every law in the book
> > and killed THOUSANDS of his fellow countrymen , emerged as a HERO and
> > a role model that Major Hassan seems to have followed
> >
> > Spain and the Dutch Republic īŋŊ French allies īŋŊ also went to war
> > against Britain over the next two years.
> >
> > like all dictators Washington had HIS pictures put on the money and
> > statues erected all over the Country and anybody who īŋŊrejected his
> > overthrow was DRIVEN from he land
> >
> > 50,000 refugees were FORCED to flee for their lives , MANY ended up
> > moving to other countries including Australia to ESCAPE the madmen who
> > choose violence to FORCE their point of view
> >
> > In areas under Washington's īŋŊcontrolīŋŊ that is most of the country īŋŊ
> > People who chose to OBEY the existing īŋŊLAWS were labeled īŋŊ" Loyalists
> > " were subject to confiscation of property. Outspoken critics of
> > Washington were threatened īŋŊkilled and Forced to flee for their lives
> > 50,000 REFUGEES spread out all over the world in the following decades
> > fleeing īŋŊwarlord Washington īŋŊand often foreign mercenaries and īŋŊhis
> > gunmen and dictatorship , others remained undercover and strive to
> > return the rule of LAW against the warlords who enriched themselves
> > endlessly stealing ever more land from their neighbors and native
> > peoples īŋŊand selling it to fund their warlords way of life right up
> > until TODAY
> >
> > Sane men know where this gun happy madness eventually ends up ,
> > endless violence rules until the entire Empire implodes in on itself
> >
> > Nothing can save the USA from īŋŊeventual self immolation , he who lives
> > by the sword dies by the sword , While George Washington remains a
> > role model the USA is doomed
> >
> > īŋŊ īŋŊ Those Loyalists who have adhered to the Unity of the Empire, and
> > joined the Royal Standard before the Treaty of Separation in the year
> > 1783, and all their Children and their Descendants by either sex, are
> > to be distinguished by the following Capitals, affixed to their names:
> > U.E. Alluding to their great principle The Unity of the Empire.
> >
> > The postnominals "U.E." are rarely seen today, but the influence of
> > the Loyalists on the evolution of Canada remains. Their ties to
> > Britain and their antipathy to the United States provided the strength
> > needed to keep Canada independent and distinct in North America. The
> > Loyalists' basic distrust of republicanism and "mob rule" influenced
> > Canada's gradual path to independence. The new British North American
> > provinces of Upper Canada (the forerunner of Ontario) and New
> > Brunswick were founded as places of refuge for the United Empire
> > Loyalists.
> >
> > The wealthiest and most prominent Loyalist exiles went to Great
> > Britain to rebuild their careers; many received pensions. Many
> > Southern Loyalists, taking along their slaves, went to the West Indies
> > and the Bahamas, particularly to the Abaco Islands.
> >
> > Many Loyalists brought their slaves with them to Canada (mostly to ...
> >
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> >
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> And we must not forget the National Guard (AKA the Corporation Police
> Force)
> who killed many of their own citizens....some were their own
> neighbors.
>
> Do a search on the history of the Guard. You will be amazed at their
> service here in America.
> Try: "National Guard (AKA Corporate Police) Strike Breakers and
> Killers.
>
> History lesson:
> As the Youngstown, Ohio mills rapidly geared up to full operation,
> (THE
> NATIONAL GUARD) successively shifted forces to Canton, Massillon,
> Warren and then Cleveland, completely (breaking the strike) in all
> locations by mid-July. Stunned SWOC organizers could only stand by
> helplessly as the strike went down to defeat. Adding to this shock
> was
> President Roosevelt's Shakespearean verdict on the strike. A few days
> after the strike had been broken in Youngstown, FDR told reporters
> that his attitude to SWOC and Little Steel management amounted to, "A
> plague on both your houses."
>
> I was there with my father (I was 11 Years old) and watched the
> National Guard
> troops beat our friends and neighbors who just wanted to go to work
> every
> day for 76 cents an hour without any benefits or job security .( and
> kicking
> back money on payday to the corrupt company foremen who permitted them
> in the
> mills to work by the day.)
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4WV2q0k-uxU
> http://www.mahoninghistory.org/wdyk35-steel.htm
> http://www.ohiohistorycentral.org/entry.php?rec=513
> Memorial Day Massacre
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Memorial_Day_massacre_of_1937
>
> Here in Youngstown, (OH) we still refer to the National Guard as the
> Corporate Police and as the Strike Breakers.
>
> Other cases:
>
> "The National Guard of Pennsylvania arrived in Homestead under the
> orders of
> Governor Robert E. Pattison. The company then used several tactics to
> weaken
> union forces. They evicted workers from company homes, arrested
> individuals
> repeatedly just to charge them bail, and involved the workers in a
> series of
> costly court cases."
> For more information on the Homestead Strike, including correspondence
> and
> illustrations, visit PBS's The American Experience series site "The
> Horrors of
> Homestead."
>
> The Era of Industrial Warfare
> http://www.culture-of-peace.info/intervention/chapter3-6.html
>
> minneapolis teamster strike
> http://www.marxists.org/history/etol/entries/193401.htm
>
> "It was as close to actual war as anything but war itself could be."
> Two
> strikers and a bystander were killed, 115 people were hospitalized.
>
> The battle for the US West Coast longshoremen's hiring halls, 1934
> http://www.labournet.net/docks2/9703/hiring.htm
>
> "That night the Governor of California ordered in 1,700 National
> Guardsmen, who
> enclosed the Embarcadero with barbed wire and machine gun nests,
> patrolled the
> area with armored cars, and were given orders to shoot to kill. Under
> this
> protection, freight moved steadily from the docks to the warehouses.
> The
> balance of forces had shifted decisively against the strikers; as
> Harry Bridges said,
> "We cannot stand up against police, machine guns, and National Guard
> bayonets."
>
> Riots Precede San Francisco General Strike "Bloody Thursday" ...
> - ... Another
> crowd tried to break through police lines ... had no intention of
> calling the
> National Guard at present ... San Francisco tomorrow if the strike
> trouble
> becomes ...
> http://www.sfmuseum.org/hist/thursday.html
>
> This project emphasizes the use of American military and intelligence
> assets in
> a military capacity. Therefore, military deployments for non-military
> missions
> - humanitarian relief, consentual joint training exercises, and other
> generally
> benign purposes - are excluded.
>
> Methodology
> American Peace Methodology - ... as exemplified by the use of
> the***** Alabama
> Air National Guard ******in the "Bay ... whereas similar activity
> conducted by
> police forces, private strike breakers and bully ...
>
>
> Further, it was decided to include the state militias and the
> succeeding state
> National Guard forces. From the War of Independence to the Gulf War,
> the
> Department of Defense has used state militia and National Guard forces
> and
> although they are nominally under state authority, the Federal
> government does
> have immediate access to these forces upon demand. Interestingly
> enough, not
> only the Department of Defense, but also the Department of State has
> access to
> these forces, as exemplified by the use of the ******Alabama Air
> National
> Guard***** in the "Bay of Pigs" fiasco against Cuba.
>
> Labor Day Article - ... Virden, Illinois mine owners attempted to
> break a
> strike ... by police during a textile strike in Lawrence
> The National Guard was called ...
> http://tpmcafe.talkingpointsmemo.com/talk/blogs/viper_123/2009/01/the-workplac
> e-wars-and-card-ch.php
>
> The Buffalonian -Class War in Buffalo, 1910-1920* - ... When the
> strike was
> called the company imported 500 strike breakers from Chicago ... the
> company
> pressed city officials to call out the national guard
>
> Events Leading to the War - ... The mine operators hired strike-
> breakers, and
> the governor sent in the National Guard. But the strike continued. By
> the
> spring of 1914 a state of war existed. ...
>
> BLOODY WILLIAMSON - ... contacted repeatedly by Colonel Samuel Hunter
> of the
> Illinois National Guard, who warned ... 21, a truck carrying 11 armed
> guards
> and strike breakers was ambushed ... The Illinois National Guard was
> deployed repeatedly during the 1920s to separate the
> warring parties and attempt to keep order.
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Williamson_County,_Illinois
>
> Cold Terror in California - ... be commanded by the regular adjunct
> general of
> the National Guard; they constitute, in effect, an indirect attempt to
> increase
> the strike-breaking armed forces ...
> http://newdeal.feri.org/nation/na3497.htm
> [More results from newdeal.feri.org
>
> 1968 Memphis Sanitation Workers' Strike Chronology - ... March 28 -
> March from
> Clayborn Temple, led by Dr. King, is interrupted by window
> breaking. ...
> Attempts to renew mediation of strike fail. ... National Guard
> withdrawn ...
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Memphis_Sanitation_Strike
>
> Emotions Greeting Cards ~ The History of Labor Day - ... Virden,
> Illinois mine
> owners attempted to break a strike by ... beaten by police during a
> textile
> strike in Lawrence ... 18 April 1912 The National Guard was called
> out ...
> http://www.emotionscards.com/trivia/fourthofjuly/laborday.html
>
> Union betrayal at Navistar-- A warning to Canadian auto workers - ...
> by a
> firm of professional strike-breakers, London Protection ... dared not
> even
> mention the ongoing Navistar strike. ... office asked if the National
> Guard
> could not ...
> http://www.wsws.org/articles/2002/jul2002/nav-j20.shtml
>
> Bush threatens to use troops against West Coast dockworkers World ...
> - ...
> president greater powers to halt a walkout), break- ing up ... grounds
> (so the
> union could only strike one facil ... at a time) and having the
> National Guard
> or Navy ...
> http://www.wsws.org/articles/2002/aug2002/ilwu-a30.pdf
> [More results from www.wsws.org]
>
> Recent Finds - ... The union responded by keeping guard on the ...
> Pinkertons
> from the PinkertonīŋŊs National Detective Agency ... As these strike-
> breakers
> attempted to land from boats ...
> http://www.fohbc.com/PDF_Files/NewFinds_Sp2004.pdf
>
> Most recent update on 1199 Strike - ... is paying for the strike
> breakers,
> transporting them to work in State rented vans, paying for their
> hotels and of
> course calling out the National Guard . ...
> http://www.hartford-hwp.com/archives/45/178.html
>
> And then there was KENT STATE
> Kent State Shootings: A Chronology - The Kent State Shootings: A
> Chronology.
> ... April 30, The first major book on the shootings, Kent State: What
> Happened
> and Why, by James Michener, is released. ...
> http://www.nrbooks.com/kent-state-chronology.htm
>
> Kent State shootings - Kent State shootings. The Kent State shootings
> occurred
> at Kent State University, Ohio, and involved the shooting of students
> by ...
> Guess who.
> http://www.fact-index.com/k/ke/kent_state_shootings.html
>
> Let us prey.
thanks. g.
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money; what a concept!
Jigsaw1695
> In article
> <329d7888-6f65-4f1d-84f1-01aaabb50...@p8g2000yqb.googlegroups.com>,
> > > Washington did in 1775
>
> > > George Washington opened fire on American born soldiers MANY times
>
> > > Maj Nidal Malik Hasan, a US-born citizen, opened fire at Fort Hood on
> > > Thursday, killing 13 people. George Washington killed many thousands ,
> > > and stole much of their land and wealth
>
> > > military personnel on the Mainland of the US , yank soldiers are
> > > always attacking each other , the winner always gets to pretend they
> > > are HEROES
>
> > > USA soldiers have killed over 600,000 other soldiers in one single
> > > Casualties and losses in civil war
> > > 110,000 killed in action
> > > 360,000 total dead
> > > 260,000 total dead
> > > 137,000+ wounded
>
> > > Is what Maj Nidal Malik Hasan did any different to what happened in
> > > GOVERNMENT because he did not agree with paying 2 cents tax on a
> > > pound for tea
>
> > > More than 300,000 people are buried in an area of 624 acres (2.53
> > > km2). Veterans and military casualties from every one of the nation's
> > > wars are interred in the cemetery ,
>
> > > TWICE that number were killed by other USA soldiers ON AMERICAN SOIL
> > > in the Civil Warhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Civil_War
>
> > > The Fort Hood attack began at about 1330 (1930 GMT) on Thursday at a
> > > personnel and medical centre at Fort Hood - the largest US military
> > > base in the world, home to about 40,000 troops.
>
> > > George Washington LED many attacks on the SOLDIERS of the then
> > > Government , because he WON that makes his actions HEROIC , had he
> > > lost or been captured he would hang as a traitor who killed tens of
> > > thousands of his fellow native born countrymen
>
> > > viewable at:http://docs.google.com/View?id=dcgk9t7p_184d9tk9phg
>
> > > citizens , not born in some over seas country , Washington attacked
> > > his OWN country's soldiers and killed thousands because e did not like
> > > the way his country was being run , he chose to kill the Governments
> > > australia and NZ
>
> > > Major Hassan simply followed George Washington role model and advice ,
> > > seems its the American way , not the ISLAMIC way after all
>
> > > legitimacy of the Parliament to govern them without fair and just
> > > representation, claiming that this violated their Rights and it was
> > > their LAWFUL right to use guns to rectify the problems they
> > > supported them
>
> > >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Revolutionary_War
> > > in 1776 by formally declaring new LAWS applied , and inventing a new
> > > country they named the United States of America ‹ claiming
> > > sovereignty and rejecting on the existing LAWS. France had been
> > > providing supplies, ammunition and weapons to the rebels beginning in
> > > to formally enter the war on the side of the self proclaimed "United
> > > States" in early 1778, which evened the military strength with
> > > existing government forces.
>
> > > George Washington went from a criminal who broke every law in the book
> > > and killed THOUSANDS of his fellow countrymen , emerged as a HERO and
> > > a role model that Major Hassan seems to have followed
>
> > > against Britain over the next two years.
>
> > > like all dictators Washington had HIS pictures put on the money and
> > > overthrow was DRIVEN from he land
>
> > > 50,000 refugees were FORCED to flee for their lives , MANY ended up
> > > moving to other countries including Australia to ESCAPE the madmen who
> > > choose violence to FORCE their point of view
>
> > > People who chose to OBEY the existing LAWS were labeled " Loyalists
> > > " were subject to confiscation of property. Outspoken critics of
> > > 50,000 REFUGEES spread out all over the world in the following decades
> > > gunmen and dictatorship , others remained undercover and strive to
> > > return the rule of LAW against the warlords who enriched themselves
> > > endlessly stealing ever more land from their neighbors and native
> > > until TODAY
>
> > > Sane men know where this gun happy madness eventually ends up ,
> > > endless violence rules until the entire Empire implodes in on itself
>
> > > by the sword dies by the sword , While George Washington remains a
> > > role model the USA is doomed
>
> > > joined the Royal Standard before the Treaty of Separation in the year
> > > 1783, and all their Children and their Descendants by either sex, are
> > > to be distinguished by the following Capitals, affixed to their names:
> > > U.E. Alluding to their great principle The Unity of the Empire.
>
> > > The postnominals "U.E." are rarely seen today, but the influence of
> > > the Loyalists on the evolution of Canada remains. Their ties to
> > > Britain and their antipathy to the United States provided the strength
> > > needed to keep Canada independent and distinct in North America. The
> > > Loyalists' basic distrust of republicanism and "mob rule" influenced
> > > Canada's gradual path to independence. The new British North American
> > > provinces of Upper Canada (the forerunner of Ontario) and New
> > > Brunswick were founded as places of refuge for the United Empire
> > > Loyalists.
>
> > > The wealthiest and most prominent Loyalist exiles went to Great
> > > Britain to rebuild their careers; many received pensions. Many
> > > Southern Loyalists, taking along their slaves, went to the West Indies
> > > and the Bahamas, particularly to the Abaco Islands.
>
> > > Many Loyalists brought their slaves with them to Canada (mostly to ...
>
You went to all this trouble to point out some of the problems that
the US faces or has faced in the past?
OK?
But once again, what is your point?
There is a point, isn’t there?
Isn’t there?
Well tell us for God Sakes…what is it?
Jigsaw