Mumia is still a pussy, take that video and ....
JR
I'm back !
Don Kool
JR wrote:
>
> I'm back !
Thank God for small favors. As those masters of the
English language the "Jerky Boys" would say, "Fire away
sizzle chest"!!!!
Hope this helps,
Don
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From: JR <jma...@voicenet.com>
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Subject: Mumia is still a pussy, take that video and ....
Date: Fri, 19 Jul 1996 17:55:56 -0700
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> I'm back !
So .... ?
Equalizer
You appear to have lost the edge JR. Where is that old passion ?
Should have know with the way you ran last year.
On Fri, 19 Jul 1996 17:55:56 -0700, JR <jma...@voicenet.com>
Don Kool
Mark Andrew Spence wrote:
> On 30 Jul 1996, CArnold210 wrote:
> > Hey guys: The only reason you are upset about the Video with Mumia is
> > that you simply do not want to know the truth.
> >
> > Any decent American citizen is at least interested in educating himself
> > properly with the facts before he makes a decision.
> >
> > Try the Video out. You have nothing to loose except perhaps $20.00.
> > Anyhow if you buy a copy it will be the best investment which you ever
> > made. Remember the 800 number 1-800-521-8011. Call it today.
> That's a toll-free number there, folks. Call it as often as you like. It
> won't cost you anything; however, it will cost the provider something.
> > Wishing you all the best and hoping for your phone call.
> The guy's begging for you to call him. Just do it!
Had my computer call almost 1000 times last night while I was
sleeping. Hope to get in at least that many tonight. Anybody want to
try to have a contest. We could go for a record. Sort of like the
Olympics. Think of each call as a vote of support for the valiant
police officer that was shot so heartlessly by the cop-killer Wesely "I
shot the motherfucker and I hope he dies" Cook (criminal alias: Mumia).
Mark Andrew Spence
On 30 Jul 1996, CArnold210 wrote:
> Hey guys: The only reason you are upset about the Video with Mumia is
> that you simply do not want to know the truth.
>
> Any decent American citizen is at least interested in educating himself
> properly with the facts before he makes a decision.
>
> Try the Video out. You have nothing to loose except perhaps $20.00.
> Anyhow if you buy a copy it will be the best investment which you ever
> made. Remember the 800 number 1-800-521-8011. Call it today.
>
That's a toll-free number there, folks. Call it as often as you like. It
won't cost you anything; however, it will cost the provider something.
>
> Wishing you all the best and hoping for your phone call.
>
The guy's begging for you to call him. Just do it!
M.S.
BillyBob33
On Tue, 30 Jul 1996 22:42:27 -0400, Don Kool <old...@clark.net> wrote:
>> That's a toll-free number there, folks. Call it as often as you like.
It
>> won't cost you anything; however, it will cost the provider something.
>
>> > Wishing you all the best and hoping for your phone call.
>
>> The guy's begging for you to call him. Just do it!
That's a great idea Don ! I'm doing it tonight. Heck, I'll let it run
during the day while I'm at work.
William Robert
Don Kool
BillyBob33 wrote:
>
> On Tue, 30 Jul 1996 22:42:27 -0400, Don Kool <old...@clark.net> wrote:
>
> >> That's a toll-free number there, folks. Call it as often as you like.
> It
> >> won't cost you anything; however, it will cost the provider something.
> >
> >> > Wishing you all the best and hoping for your phone call.
> >
> >> The guy's begging for you to call him. Just do it!
>
> That's a great idea Don ! I'm doing it tonight. Heck, I'll let it run
> during the day while I'm at work.
>
> William Robert
Yes, it will be interesting to see all the "Mumia" stooges post and
trumpet about how many calls of "support" they got for their favorite
proven
cop killer.
Don
> >
> > Had my computer call almost 1000 times last night while I was
> >sleeping. Hope to get in at least that many tonight. Anybody want to
> >try to have a contest. We could go for a record. Sort of like the
> >Olympics. Think of each call as a vote of support for the valiant
> >police officer that was shot so heartlessly by the cop-killer Wesely "I
> >shot the motherfucker and I hope he dies" Cook (criminal alias: Mumia).
--
Charles Trew
CArnold210 (carno...@aol.com) writes:
> Hey guys: The only reason you are upset about the Video with Mumia is
> that you simply do not want to know the truth.
No, I simply don't want to pay for a load of one-sided propaganda.
In fact, you'll need to pay me $20.00 just to watch it.
> Any decent American citizen is at least interested in educating himself
> properly with the facts before he makes a decision.
The jury that convicted Mumia did just that.
> Try the Video out. You have nothing to loose except perhaps $20.00.
> Anyhow if you buy a copy it will be the best investment which you ever
> made. Remember the 800 number 1-800-521-8011. Call it today.
Glad you feel that way, do send me a copy and enclose $20.00. I
will watch it and report back here.
> Wishing you all the best and hoping for your phone call.
Don't hold your breath.....
Mark Andrew Spence
On Tue, 30 Jul 1996, Don Kool wrote:
> Mark Andrew Spence wrote:
> > On 30 Jul 1996, CArnold210 wrote:
>
> > > Hey guys: The only reason you are upset about the Video with Mumia is
> > > that you simply do not want to know the truth.
> > >
> > > Any decent American citizen is at least interested in educating himself
> > > properly with the facts before he makes a decision.
> > >
> > > Try the Video out. You have nothing to loose except perhaps $20.00.
> > > Anyhow if you buy a copy it will be the best investment which you ever
> > > made. Remember the 800 number 1-800-521-8011. Call it today.
>
> > That's a toll-free number there, folks. Call it as often as you like. It
> > won't cost you anything; however, it will cost the provider something.
>
> > > Wishing you all the best and hoping for your phone call.
>
> > The guy's begging for you to call him. Just do it!
>
> Had my computer call almost 1000 times last night while I was
> sleeping. Hope to get in at least that many tonight. Anybody want to
> try to have a contest. We could go for a record. Sort of like the
> Olympics. Think of each call as a vote of support for the valiant
> police officer that was shot so heartlessly by the cop-killer Wesely "I
> shot the motherfucker and I hope he dies" Cook (criminal alias: Mumia).
>
> Hope this helps,
> Don
>
>
Did you write some kind of macro that uses the Windows95 speed dialer?
Would you be willing to add it to your web page so others can download it?
M.S.
Don Kool
CArnold210 wrote:
>
> Hey Don: Your note made my day. You wrote exactly what I expected you
> to write. Hope we meet one day. One thing you are missing out on is that
> you have not ordered your copy of the Mumia video yet? Remember the
> number
> 1-800-521-8011. The video is only $20.00.
>
> Charles.
Glad you liked the note (whichever one you're referring to).
Don
CArnold210
CArnold210
Hey Don: You really made my day with your note. To my surprise you have
not yet oirdered your copy of the Mumia Video. What's up . Are you
scared?
It is probably the best video on the market.
Looking forward to hear from you.
Charles.
Osmo Ronkanen
In article <31FEC8...@clark.net>, Don Kool <old...@clark.net> wrote:
>
> Had my computer call almost 1000 times last night while I was
>sleeping. Hope to get in at least that many tonight. Anybody want to
>try to have a contest. We could go for a record. Sort of like the
>Olympics. Think of each call as a vote of support for the valiant
>police officer that was shot so heartlessly by the cop-killer Wesely "I
>shot the motherfucker and I hope he dies" Cook (criminal alias: Mumia).
>
Aren't such acts illegal? Or is the law optional when it comes to you?
Osmo
Paul K.
Osmo Ronkanen wrote:
>
> Aren't such acts illegal? Or is the law optional when it comes to you?
>
> Osmo
Perhaps in a country that limits freedom of speech and communication.
However, Don Kool just happens not to live in such.
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in a room for several hours... would I start to like
myself?" ---Paul K. 2 August 1996
kirk...@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca
Osmo Ronkanen (ronk...@cc.helsinki.fi) wrote:
: In article <31FEC8...@clark.net>, Don Kool <old...@clark.net> wrote:
: >
: > Had my computer call almost 1000 times last night while I was
: >sleeping. Hope to get in at least that many tonight. Anybody want to
: >try to have a contest. We could go for a record. Sort of like the
: >Olympics. Think of each call as a vote of support for the valiant
: >police officer that was shot so heartlessly by the cop-killer Wesely "I
: >shot the motherfucker and I hope he dies" Cook (criminal alias: Mumia).
: Aren't such acts illegal? Or is the law optional when it comes to you?
: Osmo
They may well be Osmo, but what of it? Enforcing the law always entails
some form of punishment. We can't have that know can we?
--
Kirk Erickson
kirk...@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca
Don Kool
Osmo Ronkanen wrote:
> In article <320386...@worldnet.att.net>,
> Paul K. <king-...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
> >Osmo Ronkanen wrote:
> >> Aren't such acts illegal? Or is the law optional when it comes to you?
> >>
> >> Osmo
> >
> >Perhaps in a country that limits freedom of speech and communication.
> >However, Don Kool just happens not to live in such.
> >
>
> Misusing toll free numbers so that the provider gets extra expenses has
> nothing to do with freedom of speech. Also we do not limit the freedom
> of speech anymore than other countries do in general.
>
> Osmo
Ozzy,
How sad that your government feels the need to monitor every
number you dial. Here in the United States (the greatest country on
the face of the Earth, BTW) we are free to dial any number we want as
often as we want.
God bless the USA.
Hope this helps,
Don Kool
Paul K. wrote:
>
> Osmo Ronkanen wrote:
>
> >
> > Aren't such acts illegal? Or is the law optional when it comes to you?
> >
> > Osmo
>
> Perhaps in a country that limits freedom of speech and communication.
> However, Don Kool just happens not to live in such.
Amen for the great US of A where a man is free to speak
is mind free of censors. (Unlike every other country on the face
of the Earth).
Osmo Ronkanen
In article <320386...@worldnet.att.net>,
Paul K. <king-...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
>Osmo Ronkanen wrote:
>
>>
>> Aren't such acts illegal? Or is the law optional when it comes to you?
>>
>> Osmo
>
>Perhaps in a country that limits freedom of speech and communication.
>However, Don Kool just happens not to live in such.
>
Misusing toll free numbers so that the provider gets extra expenses has
Don Kool
kirk...@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca wrote:
>
> Osmo Ronkanen (ronk...@cc.helsinki.fi) wrote:
> : In article <31FEC8...@clark.net>, Don Kool <old...@clark.net> wrote:
> : >
> : > Had my computer call almost 1000 times last night while I was
> : >sleeping. Hope to get in at least that many tonight. Anybody want to
> : >try to have a contest. We could go for a record. Sort of like the
> : >Olympics. Think of each call as a vote of support for the valiant
> : >police officer that was shot so heartlessly by the cop-killer Wesely "I
> : >shot the motherfucker and I hope he dies" Cook (criminal alias: Mumia).
> : >
>
>
> : Osmo
In progressive countries like the United States (the greatest
country on the face of the Earth, BTW) dialing the phone isn't illegal.
Murder is, but dialing the phone isn't. Perhaps you backward little
piss-ant country is different. I wouldn't doubt if they limited your
freedom in that manner.
Don Kool
Thanks for the personal note, Chuckie. Glad you were at least
man enough to respond. Please do me a favor and tell me who these
morons
are that keep e-mailing be about the "brudorf" or whatever the fuck they
call it. Is that your "group" or something? I get a note every day or
two from some fucking moron saying "thanks for giving it to Chuck" or
some other bullshit. Is there someone (or some group) on this newsgoup
that has it out for you? If so, let them know that I'm not affiliated
with them.
As far as I'm concerned, you're just another poster and I respond
to you personally. If there's some "group against group" thing going
on,
let me know so that I have some idea of the dynamics of the situation
and
can respond accordingly.
All my best,
Aaron Varhola
In <4tvt2l$j...@kruuna.Helsinki.FI> ronk...@cc.helsinki.fi (Osmo
Ronkanen) writes:
>
>In article <31FEC8...@clark.net>, Don Kool <old...@clark.net>
wrote:
>>
>> Had my computer call almost 1000 times last night while I was
>>sleeping. Hope to get in at least that many tonight. Anybody want
to
>>try to have a contest. We could go for a record. Sort of like the
>>Olympics. Think of each call as a vote of support for the valiant
>>police officer that was shot so heartlessly by the cop-killer Wesely
"I
>>shot the motherfucker and I hope he dies" Cook (criminal alias:
Mumia).
>>
>
>Aren't such acts illegal? Or is the law optional when it comes to you?
The law is optional when it's Don Kook. He's above the law.
Aaron
Aaron Varhola
In <320571...@clark.net> Don Kool <old...@clark.net> writes:
>
> How sad that your government feels the need to monitor every
>number you dial. Here in the United States (the greatest country on
>the face of the Earth, BTW) we are free to dial any number we want as
>often as we want.
>
> God bless the USA.
I think you'll be happier in China, Don Kook. Look at how many
prisoners they execute, often without trial, or with a show trial.
Aaron
Don Kool
Dialing the phone has not been declared illegal in the United
States (the greatest country on the face of the Earth, BTW).
Happy to have cleared things up for you,
Osmo Ronkanen
In article <320570...@clark.net>, Don Kool <old...@clark.net> wrote:
>Paul K. wrote:
>>
>> Osmo Ronkanen wrote:
>>
>> >
>> >
>>
>> Perhaps in a country that limits freedom of speech and communication.
>> However, Don Kool just happens not to live in such.
>
>of the Earth).
ROTFL
Osmo
Osmo Ronkanen
In article <320571...@clark.net>, Don Kool <old...@clark.net> wrote:
>> >Osmo Ronkanen wrote:
>
>> >> Aren't such acts illegal? Or is the law optional when it comes to you?
>> >>
>> >> Osmo
>> >
>> >Perhaps in a country that limits freedom of speech and communication.
>> >However, Don Kool just happens not to live in such.
>> >
>>
>> nothing to do with freedom of speech. Also we do not limit the freedom
>> of speech anymore than other countries do in general.
>>
>> Osmo
>
>
> How sad that your government feels the need to monitor every
>number you dial. Here in the United States (the greatest country on
>the face of the Earth, BTW) we are free to dial any number we want as
>often as we want.
My government has no interests in monitoring numbers that people dial. In
fact they need a suspicion of a severe crime before that can do that.
However, we have laws against malicious phone calls.
Osmo
Don Kool
> >> Osmo Ronkanen wrote:
> >> > Aren't such acts illegal? Or is the law optional when it comes to you?
> >> >
> >> > Osmo
> >> Perhaps in a country that limits freedom of speech and communication.
> >> However, Don Kool just happens not to live in such.
> > Amen for the great US of A where a man is free to speak
> >is mind free of censors. (Unlike every other country on the face
> >of the Earth).
> ROTFL
>
> Osmo
Ozzy, better check with your government first and make sure you're
allowed to do that.
Hope this helps,
Don Kool
> >> >Osmo Ronkanen wrote:
> >> >> Aren't such acts illegal? Or is the law optional when it comes to you?
> >> >>
> >> >> Osmo
> >> >Perhaps in a country that limits freedom of speech and communication.
> >> >However, Don Kool just happens not to live in such.
> >> Misusing toll free numbers so that the provider gets extra expenses has
> >> nothing to do with freedom of speech. Also we do not limit the freedom
> >> of speech anymore than other countries do in general.
> >>
> >> Osmo
> > Ozzy,
> >
> > How sad that your government feels the need to monitor every
> >number you dial. Here in the United States (the greatest country on
> >the face of the Earth, BTW) we are free to dial any number we want as
> >often as we want.
> My government has no interests in monitoring numbers that people dial. In
> fact they need a suspicion of a severe crime before that can do that.
That's right, they're too busy censoring the movies and books that
you are allowed to see.
> However, we have laws against malicious phone calls.
There is nothing "malicious" about calling an 800 number. Unless the
called party asks you not to call again, it is perfectly legal. Most
likely
living in a censored and backward country like yours has effected your
thinking. Since your government feels the need to censor what you read
or
view at the movies, you obviously think that it's worthwhile for them to
invade every other aspect of your life as well. It doesn't work that
way in
the United States (the greatest country on the face of the Earth, BTW).
kozik(optimus prime)
Don Kool <old...@clark.net> wrote in article <320573...@clark.net>...
mumia is not a "pussy" as someone chose to call him, but a person who is
the victim of grave injustice and is sentenced wrongly to die.
Lamont Cranston
osmo you are a fucking idiot!!!!
kirk...@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca
kozik(optimus prime) (ko...@juno.com) wrote:
: mumia is not a "pussy" as someone chose to call him, but a person who is
: the victim of grave injustice and is sentenced wrongly to die.
If that's in fact the case, "Mumia" really should have told the
court who murdered Daniel Faulkner. "Mumia" -was- there, wasn't he?
It just doesn't seem like rocket science. Why hang for something
someone else has done?
--
Kirk Erickson
kirk...@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca
Osmo Ronkanen
...
>> My government has no interests in monitoring numbers that people dial. In
>> fact they need a suspicion of a severe crime before that can do that.
>
> That's right, they're too busy censoring the movies and books that
>you are allowed to see.
>
Books are not censored. Movies are previewed for violence but generally
that only means they put an age limit for it. Those age limits here are
btw in general far more lax than in the US.
>> However, we have laws against malicious phone calls.
>
> There is nothing "malicious" about calling an 800 number.
If your motive is to cause expenses to the person the that clearly is
malicious.
Osmo
Don Kool
> ...
> >> My government has no interests in monitoring numbers that people dial. In
> >> fact they need a suspicion of a severe crime before that can do that.
> > That's right, they're too busy censoring the movies and books that
> >you are allowed to see.
> Books are not censored. Movies are previewed for violence but generally
> that only means they put an age limit for it. Those age limits here are
> btw in general far more lax than in the US.
Well then tell us all about the scene on "Casino" where Joe Pesci
crushes a man's head in a vice and his eyeball pops out. Oh, that's
right;
you can't. Your censors cut that part out. Given the level of insight
and
maturity that you show on this newsgroup, it's probably for the best
that
your government previews everything you see or hear and makes the
decision
for you on what is appropriate.
> >> However, we have laws against malicious phone calls.
> > There is nothing "malicious" about calling an 800 number.
> If your motive is to cause expenses to the person the that clearly is
> malicious.
I have no "motive" other than to gain more information about the
the proven cop killer Wesely "I shot the motherfucker and I hope he
dies"
Cook. It's just that I'm so interested in the case that I felt the need
to call 37,000 times.
John Payson
In article <3207EC...@clark.net>, Don Kool <old...@clark.net> wrote:
>Aaron Varhola wrote:
>>
>> In <4tvt2l$j...@kruuna.Helsinki.FI> ronk...@cc.helsinki.fi (Osmo
>> Ronkanen) writes:
>> >
>> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Had my computer call almost 1000 times last night while I was
>> >
>> >Aren't such acts illegal? Or is the law optional when it comes to you?
>>
>
>States (the greatest country on the face of the Earth, BTW).
True, but you should recognize that the people you call can find out who
called them (caller-id blocking will *NOT* prevent this) and if they can
show that your calls were unreasonable they could sue you for their 800#
charges on those calls as well as court costs. Further, if it can be
shown (e.g. from your posts here) that you placed such calls with the
specific intent of socking the recipients with the bill and had no int-
ention of paying it yourself, you could be charged with fraud.
Filling any company's ANI database with thousands of records with your phone
number attached is really pretty dumb. About the only thing dumber is brag-
ging to the world about it.
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Mattdomer
of course it's illegal
Osmo Ronkanen
In article <4ubnlm$n...@natasha.rmii.com>,
Lamont Cranston <LCranston@the shadow.superhero> wrote:
>osmo you are a fucking idiot!!!!
>
And you just showed your intelligence.
Osmo
Osmo Ronkanen
In article <320A97...@clark.net>, Don Kool <old...@clark.net> wrote:
>Osmo Ronkanen wrote:
>> Don Kool <old...@clark.net> wrote:
>> >Osmo Ronkanen wrote:
>
>> ...
>
>> >> My government has no interests in monitoring numbers that people dial. In
>> >> fact they need a suspicion of a severe crime before that can do that.
>
>> > That's right, they're too busy censoring the movies and books that
>> >you are allowed to see.
>
>> Books are not censored. Movies are previewed for violence but generally
>> that only means they put an age limit for it. Those age limits here are
>> btw in general far more lax than in the US.
>
> Well then tell us all about the scene on "Casino" where Joe Pesci
>crushes a man's head in a vice and his eyeball pops out. Oh, that's
>right;
>you can't. Your censors cut that part out. Given the level of insight
>and
>maturity that you show on this newsgroup, it's probably for the best
>that
>your government previews everything you see or hear and makes the
>decision
>for you on what is appropriate.
Not having seen the movie, I cannot comment that as a fact, but as I
said the movies are mostly only given age limits. Sometimes they are cut
on request of the distributor so that they can get a wanted age limit.
In few cases movies are cut even for adult distribution or even totally
banned for violence.
While I do not think adult censorship of movies is a good idea, I do
not really think it is that big an issue. That has very little to do
with freedom of expressing ideas. Note that here moves are not banned
from children just because they have a sex scene or have some dirty
words.
>
>> >> However, we have laws against malicious phone calls.
>
>> > There is nothing "malicious" about calling an 800 number.
>
>> If your motive is to cause expenses to the person the that clearly is
>> malicious.
>
> I have no "motive" other than to gain more information about the
>the proven cop killer Wesely "I shot the motherfucker and I hope he
>dies"
>Cook. It's just that I'm so interested in the case that I felt the need
>to call 37,000 times.
You hardly could convince anyone for that if you had an automatic
machine calling the number. What you say is like justifying murder by a
wish to squeeze the trigger instead of killing the person.
Please could you watch your line lengths.
Osmo
Mark Phillips
"kozik(optimus prime)" <ko...@juno.com> wrote:
>mumia is not a "pussy" as someone chose to call him, but a person who is
>the victim of grave injustice and is sentenced wrongly to die.
The guy is nothing ore than a cold blooded killer, all the facts prove
it and it is time the slug dies!
Don Kool
kozik(optimus prime) wrote:
> Don Kool <old...@clark.net> wrote...
> > CArnold210 wrote:
> mumia is not a "pussy" as someone chose to call him, but a person who is
> the victim of grave injustice and is sentenced wrongly to die.
You have a point there. Wesely "I shot the motherfucker and I
hope he dies" Cook (criminal alias: Mumia) is a copkiller, not a pussy.
A pussy has a purpose in life. The copkiller Wesely does not.
Don Kool
Osmo Ronkanen wrote:
> Don Kool <old...@clark.net> wrote:
> >Osmo Ronkanen wrote:
> >> Don Kool <old...@clark.net> wrote:
> >> >Osmo Ronkanen wrote:
> >> ...
> >> >> My government has no interests in monitoring numbers that people dial. In
> >> >> fact they need a suspicion of a severe crime before that can do that.
> >> > That's right, they're too busy censoring the movies and books that
> >> >you are allowed to see.
> >> Books are not censored. Movies are previewed for violence but generally
> >> that only means they put an age limit for it. Those age limits here are
> >> btw in general far more lax than in the US.
> > Well then tell us all about the scene on "Casino" where Joe Pesci
> >crushes a man's head in a vice and his eyeball pops out. Oh, that's
> >right; you can't. Your censors cut that part out. Given the level of
> >insight and maturity that you show on this newsgroup, it's probably for
> >the best that your government previews everything you see or hear and
> >makes the decision for you on what is appropriate.
> Not having seen the movie, I cannot comment that as a fact, but as I
> said the movies are mostly only given age limits. Sometimes they are cut
> on request of the distributor so that they can get a wanted age limit.
> In few cases movies are cut even for adult distribution or even totally
> banned for violence.
How thoughtful of your thought police to take such good care of you.
> While I do not think adult censorship of movies is a good idea, I do
> not really think it is that big an issue. That has very little to do
> with freedom of expressing ideas. Note that here moves are not banned
> from children just because they have a sex scene or have some dirty
> words.
Much like the almost impossibly small chance that a "person" will
be mistakenly executed in the United States. A chance truly orders of
magnitude more slight then getting hit by lightning yet one which the
anti justice posters on this group spend an inordinate amount of time
wringin their hands over. Thanks for helping to put things in
perspective.
g...@3-cities.com
Don Kool <old...@clark.net> wrote:
DON exhibits his sexual education:
"A pussy has a purpose in life." - DON kool.
Now since he has one, he should know.
But he really likes the boys.
Geo
"Convicts register their religious affiliation when they're processed
into prison. And about 99.5% of the huge U.S.A. prison population
consists of inmates who identified themselves as members of religious
denominations." - Gene M. Kasmar
CArnold210
To all Mumia-Abu-Jamal supporters. The letter is also for all the enemies
of
Mumia who would wish that the State of Pennsylvania would kill Mumia-Abu-
Jamal.
All of you are in for a great surprise. You all know that Mumia is the
author
of the book: "Life from Death Row" which was published by Addison and
Wesley. Everyone was very disturbed about this book. People wanted to
stop it and said that Mumia was making money out of his crime.
Well if you got exited about that book then look out for Mumia's next book
which will be published early next year. This book is entitled: "Death
Blossoms."
This book will tell you the true story about the American Corectional
System.
This book shows Mumia at his best. It will leave "Life from Death Row" in
the dust.
The following people will probably write the introduction, forword,
epilogue and
endorsements of this book.
l. Fidel Castro of Cuba.
1. Nelson Mandela of South Africa.
3. Louis Farakahn of the Nation of Islam.
4. Quadafi from Syria.
You would be foolish not to order your copy. The prepublication price is
$20.00.
You can order it at a toll free number 1-800-521-8011. Order your copy
today.
The book will be out by early next year.
All the best.
Charles.
CArnold210
Greetings to all the Mumia supporters and to all the Mumia enemies who
would
wish to have Mumia killed by the State of Pennsylvania.
You all know what a stir Mumia's last book stired: "Life from Death Row,"
published by Addison and Wesley. Many people wanted to have Mumia
fryed just for that and that he was making money out of his crime.
Well the time has come when Mumia is going to publish a new book. It is
this
book which you will have to look out for. It is going to leave: "Life
from Death
Row " in the Dust. Really believe me it will be an excellent book which
will
stir a lot of controversy. I personally have seen the manuscript. So I
know what
I am talking about.
Apparently this new book by Mumia which will be entitled: "Death Blossoms"
will be out by next Spring. Remember how people wanted to fry Mumia for
his
last book. Well this book is going to be a lot more controversial.
The following people migtht write a foreword or introdcution or epilogue
for this
book.
l. Fidel Castro from Cuba.
2. Nelson Mandela from South Africa.
3. Bishop Desmond Tuto from South Africa.
4. Louis Farrakhan from the Nation of Islam.
So you would be foolish not to order your copy today. It will only cost
you
$20.00. Just phone 1-800-521-8011. Do it today.
Charles.
Ingar Holst
CArnold210 wrote:
> l. Fidel Castro of Cuba.
> 1. Nelson Mandela of South Africa.
> 3. Louis Farakahn of the Nation of Islam.
> 4. Quadafi from Syria.
Now, what is Mr. Mandela doing in there? after rising to presidenthood,
Mr. Mandela has proven himself to be quite a statesman. Contrary to the
worst fears of many, including myself. Farakhan? Gadaffi? Castro? What
is Mumia up to? Does he believe those three villains can do him any
good? Or was your message a provocation against Mr. Mandela?
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Don Kool
[...juvenile bullshit snipped...]
Georgie, why don't you try posting something on-topic?
Don Kool
CArnold210 wrote:
[...snip...]
> The following people will probably write the introduction, forword,
> epilogue and endorsements of this book.
> l. Fidel Castro of Cuba.
> 1. Nelson Mandela of South Africa.
> 3. Louis Farakahn of the Nation of Islam.
> 4. Quadafi from Syria.
Boy, those murderers sure do like to stick together.
> You would be foolish not to order your copy. The prepublication price is
> $20.00.
> You can order it at a toll free number 1-800-521-8011. Order your copy
> today.
Thanks for the info. I'll program my auto-dialer tonight an let
it rip.
Don Kool
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His only reason for posting is to annoy, harass, insult
and preclude participation by others whose opinions don't
coincide with his. Respond at your own risk.
A Friend
A Friend
IMPORTANT NOTICE TO ALL
Suzanne "Kensington Kidz" Martin (sab...@crash.cts.com)
has no interest in participating in serious discussion
of the issues on this newsgroup. Her only reason for
posting is to annoy, harass, insult and preclude
participation by others whose opinions don't coincide with
hers. Respond at your own risk.
pur...@erols.com
In article <4utmb1$3...@newsbf02.news.aol.com>,
carno...@aol.com (CArnold210) wrote:
>
> To all Mumia-Abu-Jamal supporters.
> All of you are in for a great surprise. You all know that Mumia is the
> author of the book: "Life from Death Row" which was published by Addison and
> Wesley. Everyone was very disturbed about this book.
> Well if you got exited about that book then look out for Mumia's next book
> which will be published early next year.
> The following people will probably write the introduction, forword, epilogue and
> endorsements of this book.
> l. Fidel Castro of Cuba.
> 1. Nelson Mandela of South Africa.
> 3. Louis Farakahn of the Nation of Islam.
> 4. Quadafi from Syria.
> You would be foolish not to order your copy. The prepublication price is $20.00.
> You can order it at a toll free number 1-800-521-8011. Order your copy today.
> The book will be out by early next year.
> All the best.
> Charles.
(slightly edited)
"CHARLES??"
Why Elder Johann Christof Arnold of the Bruderhof (TM) Communities
(aka <carno...@aol.com>) would choose to sign his postings to this
newsgroup as "Charles" will probably remain one of the small mysteries
of life. Elder Arnold is the same man who blamed the children of the
Bruderhof (TM) for making a couple of thousand harrassing phone calls
to an 800 number set up to provide information about a meeting that he
refused to attend - even after being politely and sincerely invited.
He also once (?) had a permit to carry a .44 magnum revolver concealed
for "personal protection." When asked to comment, the response was
the gun was needed to protect community members from rabid raccoons!
And this in an Anabaptist community devoted to total non-violence.
The Bruderhof (TM) credentials as an anti-DP organization came into some
question recently as outlined in the announcement below. .
ITEM: The James E. Chaney Foundation, sponsor of The
National Commission on Capital Punishment, has broken
off its relationship with the Bruderhof Foundation.
"We are no longer connected to the Bruderhof," Mr. Ben
Chaney stated, president of the Chaney Foundation and
brother of James Chaney, the slain Civil Rights worker.
"Our affiliation with the Bruderhof Foundation seriously
jeopardized the Commission's hearings on capital
punishment in Philadelphia. It is clear that the purpose
and credibility of the Commission would be undermined
by their continuing involvement. I am informed that they
continue to use the Commission's name on computer
networks to advertise and solicit funds."
When it was suggested that the average rank-and-file
Bruderhof member are sincere, idealistic people who one
day will awaken to their leaders' wrong direction, Chaney
responded, "I don't see how that will happen. The leaders
are all I know, and originally, when I talked to them, I
thought, 'This is a powerful religious organization
seriously concerned about abolishing the death penalty,
and they have a few black people in their communities.'
But I have found their alliance with Civil and Human
Rights issues to be self-serving and misleading. I even
question their fundamental concern with these issues as
they affect a modern democracy or with the issues of
poor people in the outside world. But as far as the
Commission's ongoing investigation of Human Rights
abuses is concerned, as represented by the current
application of the Death Penalty in the United States, the
Bruderhof's involvement with our cause must be
considered untenable in the present context."
From May, 1996 KIT Newsletter which can be found on the
Peregrine Foundation Home Page:
http://www.matisse.net/~peregrin/
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Thanks for the Mammaries
A Friend <old...@clark.net> wrote:
>IMPORTANT NOTICE TO ALL
>George Grayson (gha...@swva.net) has no interest in
>participating in serious discussion of the issues on
>this newsgroup. His only reason for posting is to
>annoy, harass, insult and preclude participation by
>others whose opinions don't coincide with his.
>Respond at your own risk.
What's the matter DON.
Did your name disappear?
Geo
Thanks for the Mammaries
A Friend <old...@clark.net> wrote:
>IMPORTANT NOTICE TO ALL
>Suzanne "Kensington Kidz" Martin (sab...@crash.cts.com)
>has no interest in participating in serious discussion
>of the issues on this newsgroup. Her only reason for
>posting is to annoy, harass, insult and preclude
>participation by others whose opinions don't coincide with
>hers. Respond at your own risk.
A Friend old...@clark.net = Don Kool old...@clark.net
Wow!!
Big suprise.
Geo
Thanks for the Mammaries
Don Kool <old...@clark.net> wrote:
>IMPORTANT NOTICE TO ALL
>Geo (g...@3-cities.com) has no interest in participating
>in serious discussion of the issues on this newsgroup.
>His only reason for posting is to annoy, harass, insult
>and preclude participation by others whose opinions don't
>coincide with his. Respond at your own risk.
Whine, whine, whine.
DON, that is pretty pathetic.
BTW, is that supposed to piss me off?
Geo
pur...@erols.com
> The following people will probably write the introduction, forword,
> epilogue and endorsements of this book.
> l. Fidel Castro of Cuba.
> 1. Nelson Mandela of South Africa.
> 3. Louis Farakahn of the Nation of Islam.
> 4. Quadafi from Syria.
> You would be foolish not to order your copy. The prepublication price is
> $20.00.
> You can order it at a toll free number 1-800-521-8011. Order your copy
> today.
> The book will be out by early next year.
> All the best.
> Charles.
"CHARLES??", well, whatever. Would you go back over
the part about Quadafi and let us all know what he's
doing in Syria these days??
That should be some introduction! I'm surprised that
Nelson Mandela would associate himself with any of the
three other proposed writers of introductions for
Mumia's book. Particularly when the Bruderhof (TM) has
been condemned so roundly by their former brothers in Nigeria.
An excerpt from one of their former Nigerian brothers is attached:
Inno Idiong for Palmgrove to the Bruderhof (TM) Communities from a
copy sent 10/6/95:
>Your Bruderhof also eloped with our young people, only to abandon
>them mercilessly in the middle of the road in strange and unknown
>countries like the USA and England without support and love;
>enslaved Palmgrovarians and subjected them to three years of
>inequality, mistrust and suspicion; pushed Palmgrove young men
>into unfruitful marriages and later snatching off their wives and
>children; bugging (wiretapping or tape recording) rooms of
>Palmgrovarians living in the Bruderhofs as well as pilfering and
>censoring their mail and phone calls from home.
Careful selection of ones allies is always a good policy; I'm not sure,
if I were on death row, that I would be seeking out the Bruderhof (TM)
to speak on my behalf. I'd really want someone I could trust.
Blair Purcell
All2him444
pur...@erols.com on 17 Aug 1996 03:02:19 continues to pester us thus:
> The Bruderhof (TM) credentials as an anti-DP organization came into some
> question recently as outlined in the announcement below. .
> ITEM: The James E. Chaney Foundation, sponsor of The
> National Commission on Capital Punishment, has broken
> off its relationship with the Bruderhof Foundation.
> "We are no longer connected to the Bruderhof," Mr. Ben
> Chaney stated, president of the Chaney Foundation and
> brother of James Chaney, the slain Civil Rights worker.
> "Our affiliation with the Bruderhof Foundation seriously
> jeopardized the Commission's hearings on capital
> punishment in Philadelphia. It is clear that the purpose
> and credibility of the Commission would be undermined
> by their continuing involvement. I am informed that they
> continue to use the Commission's name on computer
> networks to advertise and solicit funds."
and so on .....
Does Purcell understand what a death penalty newsgroup is for?
Do we all have to suffer repeatedly through this bull-shit from Purcell?
donny
Don Kool
Thanks for the Mammaries wrote:
>
> Don Kool <old...@clark.net> wrote:
>
> >IMPORTANT NOTICE TO ALL
>
> >Geo (g...@3-cities.com) has no interest in participating
> >in serious discussion of the issues on this newsgroup.
> >His only reason for posting is to annoy, harass, insult
> >and preclude participation by others whose opinions don't
> >coincide with his. Respond at your own risk.
>
> Whine, whine, whine.
Really.
> DON, that is pretty pathetic.
I know.
> BTW, is that supposed to piss me off?
Ask Dan Cutrer, he wrote it.
Dan Hogg
|> >on this newsgroup. His only reason for posting is
|> >to annoy, harass, insult and preclude participation
|> >by others whose opinions don't coincide with his.
|> >Respond at your own risk.
This is really amusing. The ONLY fact Don has ever posted is that he actually
believes what he writes. Else, Don's postings consist entirely of vituperative
jabs, calculated to insult and drive people away. Often these take the form of
sexual innuendo and attacks on the person rather than the argument. More
regularly though, we find the piquant "Fuck you!" inserted when he has a larger
number of posters to offend; this permits him to respond to dozens of posts
thoughtlessly rather than compose his missives to address an issue.
The only thing I find offensive is his lack of attribution when he steals a
quotation. Back in the heyday of liberalism (1960s) when we had values as well
as manners, we called this plagiarism. I suppose intellectual honesty isn't
one of those values worth conserving if one is too busy shouting down those who
disagree.
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Reckless levity and ideological nonconformity
Don Kool
> |> >IMPORTANT NOTICE TO ALL
> |>
> |> >Dan Hogg (da...@lexis-nexis.com) has no interest in
> |> >participating in serious discussion of the issues
> |> >on this newsgroup. His only reason for posting is
> |> >to annoy, harass, insult and preclude participation
> |> >by others whose opinions don't coincide with his.
> |> >Respond at your own risk.
> This is really amusing.
Thank you.
> The ONLY fact Don has ever posted is that he actually
> believes what he writes.
Better check with your ISP, Dan. They seem to be dropping most of
the more important postings.
> Else, Don's postings consist entirely of vituperative
> jabs, calculated to insult and drive people away. Often these take the form of
> sexual innuendo and attacks on the person rather than the argument. More
> regularly though, we find the piquant "Fuck you!" inserted when he has a larger
> number of posters to offend; this permits him to respond to dozens of posts
> thoughtlessly rather than compose his missives to address an issue.
>
> The only thing I find offensive is his lack of attribution when he steals a
> quotation. Back in the heyday of liberalism (1960s) when we had values as well
> as manners, we called this plagiarism. I suppose intellectual honesty isn't
> one of those values worth conserving if one is too busy shouting down those who
> disagree.
Dan, "'60's values" is an oxymoron. Thanks for the pithy reply
though.
pur...@erols.com
In article <4v9o4n$n...@newsbf02.news.aol.com>,
One of the purposes of a forum is to establish the credentials of those
participating. I question the integrity of the Bruderhof (TM), which has
continuously used this forum to sell tapes at $20.00 a pop while suing
it's own children and others at an estimated cost of $35,000 to $45,000.
That's a LOT of tapes they have to sell to cover the legal costs of the
lawsuit, wouldn't you say? And this from Anabaptists who NEVER go to law!
When the elder of the group has held a permit issued by Ulster County, New York
to carry a concealed weapon (.44 magnum revolver) for self protection,
when the same elder has blamed the children who live there for a
telephone harrassment campaign, when they have been discovered outside my home
when my wife and daughter were home alone and have run when confronted, then, yes,
I think what I've posted is germane (to coin a phrase) to the issues at hand.
When Ben Chaney makes the statement he did (it seems the Bruderhof didn't live
up to certain monetary arrangements and that's why he made the statement) about
the Bruderhof (TM)being self-serving, then, yes, it becomes an issue worth letting
others know about. Full information is ALWAYS the basis for making rational
choices.
The tragedy is I believe they are right about the death penalty issue and they
are right to feel that telephone harrassment of their own toll-free number is
inappropriate. It's just that I believe a VERY careful analysis is called for
when someone solicits your dollars for a "cause." The Bruderhof (TM) requires
that close examination; then you can reach an INFORMED decision. I know my dollars
go elsewhere.
I will issue still another challenge: if <all2h...@aol.com> can furnish proof that
he is NOT a member of the Bruderhof (TM), then I will gladly donate $50.00
to any Christian charity of the Bruderhof's (TM) choice (other than one of their
own). And I will apologize in this forum for implying that the Bruderhof (TM)
posts under false identities, both to "donny" and to the Bruderhof (TM).
My previous challenge to <bjone...@aol.com> over the same issue of posting
under false pretenses remains unanswered. That was in the
alt.christian.bible newsgroup. And "Charles", IMHO, is STILL Johann Christof
Arnold, Elder of the Bruderhof (TM) Communities. Why any of them would conceal
their identities seems pretty weird to me! I wonder why he sends <all2him> out to
do his dirty work for him?? Lot of courage there.
How about it Donny? I challenge you to match my donation offer -
if I'm wrong on ANY of these identities.
Blair Purcell
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kirk...@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca
kirk...@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca wrote:
: Some time ago, I asked a simple question. To repeat; Why, if
: "Mumia" was at the murder scene, and carted off with a bullet
: in him to prove it, did he not identify the "REAL" murderer"?
: Open minded as always and implying nothing, just asking.
: Certainly would appreciate an answer though.
Me again. I almost forgot, -I- have been forgetting things
lately too. I can't imagine forgetting a bullet in my brisket,
and why I got it though.
Open mindes as always, and of course implying nothing.
: --
: Kirk Erickson
:
: kirk...@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca
--
Kirk Erickson
kirk...@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca
kirk...@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca
Some time ago, I asked a simple question. To repeat; Why, if
"Mumia" was at the murder scene, and carted off with a bullet
in him to prove it, did he not identify the "REAL" murderer"?
Open minded as always and implying nothing, just asking.
Certainly would appreciate an answer though.
--
Kirk Erickson
kirk...@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca
Don Kool
pur...@erols.com wrote:
> all2h...@aol.com (All2him444) wrote:
> > pur...@erols.com on 17 Aug 1996 03:02:19 continues to pester us thus:
> > > The Bruderhof (TM) credentials as an anti-DP organization came into some
> > > question recently as outlined in the announcement below. .
> > > ITEM: The James E. Chaney Foundation, sponsor of The
> > > National Commission on Capital Punishment, has broken
> > > off its relationship with the Bruderhof Foundation.
> > > "We are no longer connected to the Bruderhof," Mr. Ben
> > > Chaney stated, president of the Chaney Foundation and
> > > brother of James Chaney, the slain Civil Rights worker.
> > > "Our affiliation with the Bruderhof Foundation seriously
> > > jeopardized the Commission's hearings on capital
> > > punishment in Philadelphia. It is clear that the purpose
> > > and credibility of the Commission would be undermined
> > > by their continuing involvement. I am informed that they
> > > continue to use the Commission's name on computer
> > > networks to advertise and solicit funds."
> > and so on .....
> > Does Purcell understand what a death penalty newsgroup is for?
> > Do we all have to suffer repeatedly through this bull-shit from Purcell?
> > donny
> One of the purposes of a forum is to establish the credentials of those
> participating.
Not at all. The "purpose" is to have a lively discussion.
This is not "peer review".
> I question the integrity of the Bruderhof (TM), which has
> continuously used this forum to sell tapes at $20.00 a pop while suing
> it's own children and others at an estimated cost of $35,000 to $45,000.
> That's a LOT of tapes they have to sell to cover the legal costs of the
> lawsuit, wouldn't you say? And this from Anabaptists who NEVER go to law!
Then send your objections to them instead of cluttering up
this serious newsgroup with your petty feud. It has nothing to do
with the just Death Penalty as practiced in the United States so
either find a newsgroup were it's relevent or take it to e-mail. Better
yet, get up off your fat ass, waddle away from your computer and
actually
go somewhere in the non-virtual world and do something about it.
> When the elder of the group has held a permit issued by Ulster County, New York
> to carry a concealed weapon (.44 magnum revolver) for self protection,
Considering the obsessives out there like you, it's little wonder.
> when the same elder has blamed the children who live there for a
> telephone harrassment campaign, when they have been discovered outside my home
> when my wife and daughter were home alone and have run when confronted, then, yes,
> I think what I've posted is germane (to coin a phrase) to the issues at hand.
Except that those "issues at hand" have nothing to do with the
just Death Penalty. The pertain solely to your personal feud with this
insignificant fringe group. Start alt.bruderhof.sucks and fill it with
your boring, off-topic posts.
> When Ben Chaney makes the statement he did (it seems the Bruderhof didn't live
> up to certain monetary arrangements and that's why he made the statement) about
> the Bruderhof (TM)being self-serving, then, yes, it becomes an issue worth letting
> others know about. Full information is ALWAYS the basis for making rational
> choices.
And, when you post this off-topic personal vendetta here, you become
just another asshole spammer. Really something to aspire to, I'm sure.
> The tragedy is I believe they are right about the death penalty issue and they
> are right to feel that telephone harrassment of their own toll-free number is
> inappropriate. It's just that I believe a VERY careful analysis is called for
> when someone solicits your dollars for a "cause." The Bruderhof (TM) requires
> that close examination; then you can reach an INFORMED decision. I know my dollars
> go elsewhere.
This has nothing to do with the just Death Penalty and everything
to do with some problem that you have with a small group of nuts.
> I will issue still another challenge: if <all2h...@aol.com> can furnish proof that
> he is NOT a member of the Bruderhof (TM), then I will gladly donate $50.00
> to any Christian charity of the Bruderhof's (TM) choice (other than one of their
> own). And I will apologize in this forum for implying that the Bruderhof (TM)
> posts under false identities, both to "donny" and to the Bruderhof (TM).
Why don't you just try to limit your postings to something
factual about the just Death Penalty?
> My previous challenge to <bjone...@aol.com> over the same issue of posting
> under false pretenses remains unanswered. That was in the
> alt.christian.bible newsgroup.
A true spammer. "alt.christian.bible" has nothing to do with
"alt.activisms.death-penalty".
> And "Charles", IMHO, is STILL Johann Christof
> Arnold, Elder of the Bruderhof (TM) Communities. Why any of them would conceal
> their identities seems pretty weird to me! I wonder why he sends <all2him> out to
> do his dirty work for him?? Lot of courage there.
Perhaps for the same reason that AOL allows 5 different screen names.
Because it's a tradition on USENET to post with a "handle". You'd know
that
if you weren't a clueless newbie spammer.
> How about it Donny? I challenge you to match my donation offer -
> if I'm wrong on ANY of these identities.
What you fail to grasp is that no one gives a shit about
if you're right or wrong. This group is about promoting the
use of the just Death Penalty.
Happy to have cleared things up for you,
pur...@erols.com
In article <321B01...@clark.net>,
Don Kool <old...@clark.net> wrote:
> Why don't you just try to limit your postings to something
> factual about the just Death Penalty?
Such as how to set your computer up to harrass the Bruderhof (TM)
with thousands of hang-up calls to their 800 number.
Sorry, I haven't got time for THAT kind of crap - but, obviously, since you
post it, I've read it. Telephone harrassment is illegal, unethical - and
probably fattening.
Credentials of those for or against the death penalty are important;
particularly when they ask you to send your money in for a video or book.
Blair Purcell
Charles Trew
(pur...@erols.com) writes:
> When the elder of the group has held a permit issued by Ulster County, New York
> to carry a concealed weapon (.44 magnum revolver) for self protection,
> when the same elder has blamed the children who live there for a
> telephone harrassment campaign, when they have been discovered outside my home
> when my wife and daughter were home alone and have run when confronted, then, yes,
> I think what I've posted is germane (to coin a phrase) to the issues at hand.
I am well versed in various gun laws and such. I have a concealed
weapons permit (and a .44 magnum as a matter of fact).
New York has some of the most strict gun laws in the nation and
they do not allow civilians to carry concealed guns. In most areas you
aren't allowed to carry at all.
This raises the question of how much of your information you are
providing is incorrect as well.
Just where did you hear about this concealed permit from New York?
pur...@erols.com
In article <4vhht3$e...@freenet-news.carleton.ca>,
db...@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Charles Trew) wrote:
>
> (pur...@erols.com) writes:
> > When the elder of the group has held a permit issued by Ulster County, New York
> I am well versed in various gun laws and such. I have a concealed
> weapons permit (and a .44 magnum as a matter of fact).
> New York has some of the most strict gun laws in the nation and
> they do not allow civilians to carry concealed guns. In most areas you
> aren't allowed to carry at all.
> This raises the question of how much of your information you are
> providing is incorrect as well.
> Just where did you hear about this concealed permit from New York?
>
I have seen a photocopy of the permit, published in the Kit newsletter.
I have spoken directly to the person who obtained the copy from the Ulster
County, NY records office - the permit had Elder Arnold's photogramp attached.
And, as a former police officer, I know a .44 magnum revolver is NOT suitable for
killing rabid raccoons. There is only ONE purpose for such a gun.
Elder Arnold has acknowledged having the gun; it has been stated that
he "turned the gun in" when it was understood how awkward his possession
of it would be and how difficult it was to justify. There is no reason
to believe he hasn't turned it in - but the Bruderhof (TM) does have and they
continue to acknowledge the presence of other guns.
Children in this religious group have been chastised severely, in years past,
for pointing a finger and going "bang, bang." And young men in the
commune have enjoyed concientious objector status for many years.
There seems to be a substantial contradiction between what the Bruderhof (TM)
says and what they do.
Those against the death penalty should choose those with whom they
associate with great care. The Bruderhof (TM) would not be my first choice!
Mark Andrew Spence
On 21 Aug 1996 kirk...@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca wrote:
>
> Some time ago, I asked a simple question. To repeat; Why, if
> "Mumia" was at the murder scene, and carted off with a bullet
> in him to prove it, did he not identify the "REAL" murderer"?
>
> Open minded as always and implying nothing, just asking.
> Certainly would appreciate an answer though.
>
Others have asked the same question and not gotten a repsonse either. The
following comes from a post ranlerch sent to me several months ago:
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'Is Jamal Guilty? What the Trial Record Says
. . . .
Mr. Jamal's defenders don't account for other factors.
If he is innocent, then why was his gun next to him,
containing five spent shells? Why has his brother,
William Cook, never came forward to tell what he knows
about the case (to this day his whereabouts is
unknown)?
The Guardian Civic League, the organization of black
police officers in Philadelphia, which supports Mr.
Jamal's conviction, notes that Mr. Jamal has never
clearly stated what actually happened on the night in
question. "If it was not him [who killed Officer
Faulkner] then who has he been protecting for 14 years?
This act alone would make him guilty of conspiracy
involving the murder of a police officer," notes David
E. Fisher, the group's president, in a news release.'
Pearson, Hugh. "Is Jamal Guilty? What the Trial Record Says." _The
Wall Street Journal_. 23 August 1995, page A11.
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M.S.
Mark Andrew Spence
On 20 Aug 1996, Dan Hogg wrote:
>
> The only thing I find offensive is his[Don Kool's] lack of attribution
> when he steals a quotation. Back in the heyday of liberalism (1960s)
> when we had values as well as manners, we called this plagiarism. I
> suppose intellectual honesty isn't one of those values worth conserving
> if one is too busy shouting down those who disagree.
>
Not when one can play on the sensitivities of blacks about their
overepresentation in the criminal justice system . . . or repeatedly
usurping the trappings of Judaism, e.g., the Holocaust, when you really
need to support an argument.
M.S.
Technical Intelligence-MN-USA
This is not entirely true. If you're well connected, (e.g. Bill
Buckley, for example), carry permits are quite available.
They're just not available to us common folk.
As it happens, this is the same type of deal we have here in the
People's Republics of Saint Paul and Murderapolis.
Charles Trew (db...@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) wrote:
:
: (pur...@erols.com) writes:
:
: > When the elder of the group has held a permit issued by Ulster County, New York
: > to carry a concealed weapon (.44 magnum revolver) for self protection,
: > when the same elder has blamed the children who live there for a
: > telephone harrassment campaign, when they have been discovered outside my home
: > when my wife and daughter were home alone and have run when confronted, then, yes,
: > I think what I've posted is germane (to coin a phrase) to the issues at hand.
:
: I am well versed in various gun laws and such. I have a concealed
: weapons permit (and a .44 magnum as a matter of fact).
: New York has some of the most strict gun laws in the nation and
: they do not allow civilians to carry concealed guns. In most areas you
: aren't allowed to carry at all.
: This raises the question of how much of your information you are
: providing is incorrect as well.
: Just where did you hear about this concealed permit from New York?
--
Edward A. Bertsch (eab8)
Technical Intelligence - voice 612 225 0954 fax 612 222 2353
PO Box 11145 - sa...@twin-cities.com
Saint Paul, MN 55111 USA - http://www.twin-cities.com
Charles Trew
(pur...@erols.com) writes:
>> I am well versed in various gun laws and such. I have a concealed
>> weapons permit (and a .44 magnum as a matter of fact).
>> New York has some of the most strict gun laws in the nation and
>> they do not allow civilians to carry concealed guns. In most areas you
>> aren't allowed to carry at all.
>> This raises the question of how much of your information you are
>> providing is incorrect as well.
>> Just where did you hear about this concealed permit from New York?
>>
> I have seen a photocopy of the permit, published in the Kit newsletter.
> I have spoken directly to the person who obtained the copy from the Ulster
> County, NY records office - the permit had Elder Arnold's photogramp attached.
> And, as a former police officer, I know a .44 magnum revolver is NOT suitable for
> killing rabid raccoons. There is only ONE purpose for such a gun.
Hmmmm, this guy must have had some serious death threats made against
him.
However, I'm a bit confused because all of the permits I've heard of
don't specify the gun. At any rate, the .44 is not a suitable gun for
concealed carry. For one you simply can't hide it in the summer. It's too
big. It takes a heavy outdoors type coat. Second, the weapon is
tremendously loud and really requires hearing protection even when fired
outdoors. Indoor shooting without protection, Dirty Harry aside, will
cause permanent hearing damage. Of course what you hit *will* go down and
stay down.
Oh well......
AndrewK271
Purcell concludes:
> And, as a former police officer, I know a .44 magnum revolver is NOT
suitable >for killing rabid raccoons. There is only ONE purpose for such
a gun.
Off-topic, yes, but having destroyed my own hearing testing Magnaported 2"
.44 Smith 629s in the early 80s, I couldn't resist. The .44 magnum, while
lots of gun for raccoons, isn't a mankiller. Virginia Arms and Ruger make
(or made) single action versions for sportsmen to carry in regions where
animal (bear, cougar, coyote) remains a threat. Long barrelled .44s are
also used in sillouette (Mo?) shooting. Download a .44 to Special,
however, and then you have a prime stopper/killer.
Andy Katz
David Ellison
pur...@erols.com wrote:
snip
>I have seen a photocopy of the permit, published in the Kit newsletter.
>I have spoken directly to the person who obtained the copy from the Ulster
>County, NY records office - the permit had Elder Arnold's photogramp attached.
>And, as a former police officer, I know a .44 magnum revolver is NOT suitable for
>killing rabid raccoons. There is only ONE purpose for such a gun.
Is that purpose for deer hunting that is what I use mine for. If that
is not the purpose then am I breaking the law. I do not need a permit
to carry this gun in hunting in this state I do need a permit to carry
it conceled. If I qualify with a revolver then I can only carry a
revolver(conceled) but if I qualify with a auto then I can carry
either.
David
Adam White
phil...@netnet.net (Mark Phillips) wrote:
>"kozik(optimus prime)" <ko...@juno.com> wrote:
>>mumia is not a "pussy" as someone chose to call him, but a person who is
>>the victim of grave injustice and is sentenced wrongly to die.
>The guy is nothing ore than a cold blooded killer, all the facts prove
>it and it is time the slug dies!
i hope the slug dies also!!!!