Re: Palin/Dobbs 2012
Jigsaw1695
> Jigsaw, what do you think of this political �team?
>
> Chituch
What team.. There was nothing there... .nothing was attached.
Unless you are giving an allegorical reference to the emptyness of the
the Obama administration.
Jigsaw
John Rennie
> Jigsaw, what do you think of this political team?
>
>
> Chituch
Jiggy think? That'll be the day.
Earl Evleth
"John Rennie" <john-...@talktalk.net> wrote:
> Jiggy think? That'll be the day.
It has happened now and then, I seem to remember
that last Tuesday he had a thought. Slow neurons
and he only gets about one a week.
Donna Evleth
> From: Jigsaw1695 <Jigsa...@aol.com>
> Organization: http://groups.google.com
> Newsgroups: alt.activism.death-penalty
> Date: Fri, 13 Nov 2009 20:05:07 -0800 (PST)
> Subject: Re: Palin/Dobbs 2012
>
> On Nov 13, 6:41?pm, Rabbi Chituch Foreskin <Pr...@mitzizal.org> wrote:
>> Jigsaw, what do you think of this political ?team?
>>
>> Chituch
>
> What team.. There was nothing there... .nothing was attached.
>
> Unless you are giving an allegorical reference to the emptyness of the
> the Obama administration.
>
> Jigsaw
Let me explain. The reason there was nothing attached was because nothing
needed to be. The title of the post explains it all: Palin/Dobbs 2012.
Now, what do you think of this political team for the 2012 elections?
Donna Evleth
hls
"Donna Evleth" <dev...@wanadoo.fr> wrote in message news:C7245B65.839D9%
>
> Let me explain. The reason there was nothing attached was because nothing
> needed to be. The title of the post explains it all: Palin/Dobbs 2012.
>
> Now, what do you think of this political team for the 2012 elections?
>
> Donna Evleth
Dobbs is a very bright guy. Probably too bright to run for POTUS.
I wonder if they gunshots into his house recently had any impact at
all upon his decision to leave CNN.....
Earl Evleth
"hls" <h...@nospam.nix> wrote:
> Dobbs is a very bright guy.
Basically, he is unknown here, I did not know about him
until he was brought up recently on the news groups.
Each culture exists partly or mostly in its own little world.
PJ O'Donovan
<<Dobbs is a very bright guy.>>
< Basically, he is unknown here, I did not know about him
until he was brought up recently on the news groups.
Evleth>
Shows the Evleths live in an informational wasteland in that miniscule
apartment in Paris. Obviously no CNN, no CSPAN, no FOXNEWS, no PBS, no
CNBC etc. etc.
Explains why they are contaminated by trying to ride that dead horse
by still praising the proven
unworkable dogma of Socialism. For them their ignorance is bliss.
Dobbs has been involved with cable news since its inceprtion. I used
to warch him on Moneyline alnost 39 years ago.
From Wiki
"Louis Carl "Lou" Dobbs[1] (born September 24, 1945) is an American
radio host, former television host, and author...
After graduating from Harvard University, Dobbs worked in government
and banking before becoming a news reporter for several local media
outlets. He worked with CNN since it was founded in 1980 and served as
a reporter and vice president. He was the host and managing editor for
CNN's Moneyline, which premiered in 1980 and was renamed Lou Dobbs
Tonight in 2003........
......For his reporting, he has won Emmy, Peabody, and Cable ACE
awards......."
Bill Bonde { 'by a commodius vicus of recirculation' )
Earl Evleth wrote:
>
> On 14/11/09 14:16, in article 5uednfAzoIVPMGPX...@giganews.com,
> "hls" <h...@nospam.nix> wrote:
>
> > Dobbs is a very bright guy.
>
> Basically, he is unknown here, I did not know about him
> until he was brought up recently on the news groups.
>
He was behind Space.com earlier in the modern period. This isn't
the first time he's left CNN:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space.com
#begin quote
Space.com was founded by CNN anchor Lou Dobbs and Rich Zahradnik,
in July 1999. At that time, Dobbs owned a sizeable share of the
company, and, in an unexpected move, left CNN later that year to
become Space.com's chief executive officer[1]
#end quote
> Each culture exists partly or mostly in its own little world.
>
Is this why there are wars? Because I thought they were caused by
the French eating a lot of undercooked meat:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17015323
#begin quote
The latent prevalence of a long-lived and common brain parasite,
Toxoplasma gondii, explains a statistically significant portion of
the variance in aggregate neuroticism among populations, as well as
in the 'neurotic' cultural dimensions of sex roles and uncertainty
avoidance. Spurious or non-causal correlations between aggregate
personality and aspects of climate and culture that influence T.
gondii transmission could also drive these patterns. A link between
culture and T. gondii hypothetically results from a behavioural
manipulation that the parasite uses to increase its transmission to
the next host in the life cycle: a cat. While latent toxoplasmosis
is usually benign, the parasite's subtle effect on individual
personality appears to alter the aggregate personality at the
population level. Drivers of the geographical variation in the
prevalence of this parasite include the effects of climate on the
persistence of infectious stages in soil, the cultural practices of
food preparation and cats as pets. Some variation in culture,
therefore, may ultimately be related to how climate affects the
distribution of T. gondii, though the results only explain a
fraction of the variation in two of the four cultural dimensions,
suggesting that if T. gondii does influence human culture, it is
only one among many factors.
#end quote
--
What I hate about flip flops is the flip and the flop.
Donna Evleth
> From: "Bill Bonde { 'by a commodius vicus of recirculation' )"
> <tribuyl...@yahoo.co.uk>
> Organization: Our legacy is not the lives we lived but the lives we leave to
> those who come after us.
> Newsgroups: alt.activism.death-penalty
> Date: Sat, 14 Nov 2009 17:35:19 +0000
> Subject: Re: Palin/Dobbs 2012
>
>
>
> Earl Evleth wrote:
>>
>> On 14/11/09 14:16, in article 5uednfAzoIVPMGPX...@giganews.com,
>> "hls" <h...@nospam.nix> wrote:
>>
>>> Dobbs is a very bright guy.
>>
>> Basically, he is unknown here, I did not know about him
>> until he was brought up recently on the news groups.
>>
> He was behind Space.com earlier in the modern period. This isn't
> the first time he's left CNN:
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space.com
> #begin quote
> Space.com was founded by CNN anchor Lou Dobbs and Rich Zahradnik,
> in July 1999. At that time, Dobbs owned a sizeable share of the
> company, and, in an unexpected move, left CNN later that year to
> become Space.com's chief executive officer[1]
> #end quote
>
>
>
>> Each culture exists partly or mostly in its own little world.
>>
> Is this why there are wars? Because I thought they were caused by
> the French eating a lot of undercooked meat:
How does this cultural slur and the turgid explanation of the evils of
eating undercooked meat explain the wars in the Middle East, in particular
Iraq? The French are not involved there. Are you perhaps suggesting that
the reason Bush invaded Iraq was really because he had been eating
undercooked steak on his Texas ranch? A fascinating new theory.
Donna Evleth
>
>
Bill Bonde { 'by a commodius vicus of recirculation' )
The French do have a higher than usual infection rate of
toxoplasmosis believed to be caused largely by eating undercooked
meats.
> and the turgid explanation of the evils of
> eating undercooked meat explain the wars in the Middle East, in particular
> Iraq?
>
I don't know what the rates are in the Middle East.
> The French are not involved there. Are you perhaps suggesting that
> the reason Bush invaded Iraq was really because he had been eating
> undercooked steak on his Texas ranch? A fascinating new theory.
>
I think it's more likely to be caused by eating undercooked cat.
Mr Q. Z. Diablo
No. His trotting out of birth certificate bollocks affected his
"decision" to leave CNN.
Said nonsense leads me to seriously question that he is a "very bright
guy" at all, Larry.
--
The Professor: Ha! A Dolphin! Well I'll be buggered.
Satan: Never say that in Hell, Prof.
- Andy Hamilton, Old Harry's Game
Mr Q. Z. Diablo
> Dobbs has been involved with cable news since its inceprtion. I used
> to warch him on Moneyline alnost 39 years ago.
Another lie from the congenital liar.
Moneyline first ran in 1980, making it impossible for you to have done
so.
On the other hand, it could simply be that you are innumerate.
You. Stupid. Fuck.
Earl Evleth
1j97pub.frxlu815aqe60N%dia...@notinnedmeat.freakishandunnatural.net, "Mr Q.
Z. Diablo" <dia...@notinnedmeat.freakishandunnatural.net> wrote:
> You. Stupid. Fuck.
a Bingo description of PJ
Donna Evleth
> From: "Bill Bonde { 'by a commodius vicus of recirculation' )"
> <tribuyl...@yahoo.co.uk>
> Organization: Our legacy is not the lives we lived but the lives we leave to
> those who come after us.
> Newsgroups: alt.activism.death-penalty
> Date: Sat, 14 Nov 2009 18:28:02 +0000
The stereotype about eating cats (whatever the cooking) is attributed by
some Americans (the one I met came from the Middle West) to East Indian
cuisine. "I would never eat in an Indian restaurant, they cook cats." My
former son-in-law, who made this statement, did not mention how long the
cats were cooked.
Donna Evleth
Donna Evleth
> From: dia...@notinnedmeat.freakishandunnatural.net (Mr Q. Z. Diablo)
> Organization: Unlimited download news at news.astraweb.com
> Newsgroups: alt.activism.death-penalty
> Date: Sun, 15 Nov 2009 07:57:15 +1100
> Subject: Re: Palin/Dobbs 2012
>
> PJ O'Donovan <pjdn...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Dobbs has been involved with cable news since its inceprtion. I used
>> to warch him on Moneyline alnost 39 years ago.
>
> Another lie from the congenital liar.
>
> Moneyline first ran in 1980, making it impossible for you to have done
> so.
>
> On the other hand, it could simply be that you are innumerate.
>
> You. Stupid. Fuck.
Mr. D., you are stating the obvious. While I applaud you, I think that at
this point it is perhaps overkill.
Donna Evleth
Bill Bonde { 'by a commodius vicus of recirculation' )
Cats are the usual suspect route to toxoplasmosis other than
undercooked meat.
> "I would never eat in an Indian restaurant, they cook cats." My
> former son-in-law, who made this statement, did not mention how long the
> cats were cooked.
>
It's mistakes in that regard that can cost you.
Istvan
"Bill Bonde { 'by a commodius vicus of recirculation' )"
news:4AFEEA57...@yahoo.co.uk...
>
>
>> Each culture exists partly or mostly in its own little world.
>>
> Is this why there are wars? Because I thought they were caused by
> the French eating a lot of undercooked meat:
How odd. I thought most wars were caused by Americans exporting fat food so
as to make others look as obese as they are, or by Brits feeding cows with
meat and export degenerative neurological disorders.
PJ O'Donovan
<<<Dobbs has been involved with cable news since its inceprtion. I
used
to warch him on Moneyline *alnost 39 years ago*..He worked with CNN
since it was founded in 1980 ......
PJ>>>
* a simple data entry error should have read "almost 30 years ago".
<<Another lie from the congenital liar.
Moneyline first ran in 1980, making it impossible for you to have
done
so.
On the other hand, it could simply be that you are innumerate.
You. Stupid. Fuck.
Diablo>>
<You. Stupid. Fuck.
a Bingo description of PJ
Evleth>
<Mr. D., you are stating the obvious. While I applaud you, I think
that at
this point it is perhaps overkill.
Donna Evleth>
Diavolo- The quintessential deranged old lady data entry nitpicker
from down under again sits in her rocking chair and nitpicks data
entry typos..
LOL
The 9 is next to 0 on my keyboard and as I mentioned any number of
times I am a hunt and peck single finger data entry struggler.
When a simple typo produces such rage and insults from Leftism the
manifestation of it is very encouraging as an indication of who is
winning the essence of genuine debate.
It is also very encouraging that it is obvious my words of wisdom are
being subjected to such intense scrutiny by Leftism including those
who have extended to me the compliment of "claiming" to have
"killfiled" me .
Mr Q. Z. Diablo
You, Peabrain, are a senile old liar. No amount of pathetic excuse
making will change that.
Earl Evleth
1j99eit.1a7eutq16i4g8qN%dia...@notinnedmeat.freakishandunnatural.net, "Mr Q.
Z. Diablo" <dia...@notinnedmeat.freakishandunnatural.net> wrote:
> You, Peabrain, are a senile old liar.
A second bingo.
Planet Visitor II
wrote:
Mr. D. is a big believer in over-kill. After all he called me a
"racist lunatic" because I didn't approve of his comparing the
Holocaust to a "toothache," in his trying to claim the Shoah
wasn't "evil" to him. Of course that's a personal issue and
we'll let it go at that.
However; he has also directly and exactly stated that "racism as a
negative character trait is grossly overstated."
So let's not dwell on if you think someone who takes issue
with another having considered the Shoah to be the same as a
toothache, is a "lunatic racist"?
Let's look at a more important overarching issue than petty and
meaningless slanderous attacks on the character of another
Instead, without interjecting any comment regarding that
personal issue, let's look at if you believe that "racism as a
negative character trait is grossly overstated"?
I ask this second question because I am sure that --
Martin Luther King Jr.,
Emmett Till,
James Byrd,
Medgar Evers,
Michael Schwerner, Andrew Goodman and James Chaney,
Denise McNair, Cynthia Wesley, Carole Robertson and Addie Mae Collins,
Michael Lefkow and Donna Humphrey,
Ricky Birdsong
Won-Joon Yoon,
Anthony Walker
Henry Hezekiah Dee and Charles Eddie Moore,
Arlindo DePina Goncalves and Selma Goncalves
Sabastian Sellam
Mohamed Achrak
Those Romanians forced to leave Belfast after racist attacks, leaving
only 14 Romainians in all of Northern Ireland,
Those 19 victims of racist murder by a gang of Moscow skinheads,
and the millions of other victims of racism.
-- do not feel that "racism as a negative character trait is grossly
overstated." Of course they can't "feel" anything, since they were
all murdered by racists who visibly expressed that "negative
character trait," that Mr. D insists is "grossly overstated."
Now you must have an opinion on racism, Donna. Don't be afraid to
express that opinion.
Planet Visitor II
>Donna Evleth
Planet Visitor II
dia...@notinnedmeat.freakishandunnatural.net (Mr Q. Z. Diablo) wrote:
>PJ O'Donovan <pjdn...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Dobbs has been involved with cable news since its inceprtion. I used
>> to warch him on Moneyline alnost 39 years ago.
>
>Another lie from the congenital liar.
>
>Moneyline first ran in 1980, making it impossible for you to have done
>so.
>
>On the other hand, it could simply be that you are innumerate.
>
>You. Stupid. Fuck.
Let he who is without sin cast the first stone.
"racism as a negative character trait is grossly overstated." --
The right honorable Mr. Q.Z. Diablo (Mr. Jonathan Eliott)
Planet Visitor II
Donna Evleth
> From: Planet Visitor II <na...@earthlink.net>
> Newsgroups: alt.activism.death-penalty
> Date: Sun, 15 Nov 2009 21:36:32 -0500
> Subject: Re: Palin/Dobbs 2012
My opinion on racism is that race differences are born, but racism is made.
Race is an accident of birth, racism is a deliberate choice. I consider it
an odious choice, because it is prejudice against something which one cannot
help, and which, when all is said and done, says nothing about the character
of the person at whom the prejudice is directed.
Does that answer your question?
>
> Planet Visitor II
Planet Visitor II
wrote:
Not exactly. The honorable Mr. D. was not referring to the _character
of the person against whom the prejudice is directed_. He was
referring instead to the person having directed that prejudice...
insisting that this character trait of being a racist is "grossly
overstated" as a negative character trait.
So I'll ask again -- do you feel that the character trait of someone
who is a racist, is a "grossly overstated negative character trait"?
Believe me.. that WAS his argument.
Planet Visitor II
Donna Evleth
> From: Planet Visitor II <na...@earthlink.net>
> Newsgroups: alt.activism.death-penalty
> Date: Mon, 16 Nov 2009 12:40:56 -0500
I have said all I am going to say on this. I thought my point of view was
clear. But you're asking me to get into side-taking, which is something I
just refuse to do. Sorry about that, but it's the way I am.
I know you are not happy, I'm sorry.
Donna Evleth
>
Mr Q. Z. Diablo
Was it, Jim?
After your characteristically melodramatic dummy spit and laughable
backsliding, misrepresentation of another's views is pretty well true to
form for you.
I said that I was going to give you a rest but that doesn't mean that
I've not been reading your posts and this is worth commenting on.
I have said over and over that racism in a person does not make them
irredeemable and that's all that I meant. Close members of my own
family, who I love very much, are and have been racist, Jim. Are you
telling me that they become unworthy of my affection because of a
negative character trait?
After all, I don't believe that your implicit hysteria, lying and
fondness for character assassination render you irredeemable.
yitzhak in eretz isreal (sic)
> dia...@notinnedmeat.freakishandunnatural.net (Mr Q. Z. Diablo) wrote:
>>You. Stupid. Fuck.
> Let he who is without sin cast the first stone.
Indeed, Nazi Spastic Noles. And as you're the most racist pile of
revolting pigshit ever to curse news:alt.activism.death-penalty with its
presence, you should therefore refrain from calling anyone else 'racist'.
But what a - delightful - irony that the two posters whose [1] approval you
most crave, QZD and Reichstag Rennie, are both firmly convinced that you
are a racist.
> "racism as a negative character trait is grossly overstated." --
> The right honorable Mr. Q.Z. Diablo (Mr. Jonathan Eliott)
'don't you find the Jews of Israel are really "Nazis"?'
(The Disgusting Anti-Semite Noles)
<http://tinyurl.com/2kfha9>
Y.
[1] or 'who's', as you would say... LMAO!!!
--
Yitzhak Isaac Goldstein
AADP's 'left-wing Israeli intellectual'
'The same folks that are bombing innocent people in Iraq were the ones
who attacked us in America on September the 11th'
(George W. Bush, 12 July 2007)
<http://elderofziyon.blogspot.com/>
Planet Visitor II
wrote:
Of course I'm asking you to take a side. But not the side of either
me or the Honorable Mr. D. I'm asking you to take a side of either
agreeing with or disagreeing with racism being "grossly overstated
as a negative character trait." I suspect that you aren't that
concerned about racism if you don't feel the impact of murder
committed by racists is enough for you to either dispute or agree
regarding racism as a negative character trait being grossly
overstated. You certainly tried to turn the statement into a
discussion of the "negative character traits" of the victims of
racism, rather than the "negative character traits" of the racist
victimizer. Why did you do that, Donna? What motivated you to
do that? Where did you ever get the idea that this was about
the presumed "negative character traits" of the victims of racism?
>I know you are not happy, I'm sorry.
Happy has nothing to do with it. I'm, more than anything else,
mortified in the name of all humans as a supposedly sentient species,
that someone would find there is nothing that would trigger a
response of some kind to the statement "racism as a negative
character trait is grossly overstated." What have we all become
that we would take no interest in the issue of racism?
I also wonder if I had written those words if you would be so shy
about forming an opinion on those words. Supposed I had written
"racism as a negative character trait is grossly overstated," and
asked you if you agreed with that! Would you still insist that
you _won't take sides in respect to racism_?
I wonder if Bill Bonde or PJ or even jigsaw, had written those words,
if you would still insist that you _won't take sides in respect to
racism_?
Think about it, please.
Planet Visitor II
You are quite welcome to make all the excuses for racism you wish,
my dear sir. It doesn't change my view that you cannot excuse racism.
Just as I believe you can't... you may believe you can... and that is
your right... just as White Power groups have the _right_ to hate
Blacks, as odious as that is to me. But then my sensibilities are
much more easily offended than yours... being the cold fish you are.
My view remains rock solid regardless of your view. And I suspect the
victims of racism that I've shown above would turn in their grave at
the idea that "racism as a negative character trait is grossly
overstated."
You might as well have said that "Nazism as a negative character
trait is grossly overstated" to add that finishing touch to your
denial that you find the Holocaust was "evil," while you did consider
Sharon and all his cabinet to be "evil." Dissing six million
innocent Jews. Once again... I understand that you are well
aware of which side of the bread you need to butter. And it
ain't the _Jewish and Black American side_. I also remember
how you implied that those who confront racism are "fanatics,"
and "dangerous."
You don't have to try to explain it away, sir. I understand
completely your position and without a retraction of those nine
words there is no possibility of any explaining them away to me.
So why even bother trying as you are obviously now doing? I
don't give a shit if you admit to being a racist, or if you admit
your entire family is comprised of all racists, or if you insist that
all Australians are racists. It doesn't change one bit the fact that
you firmly believe "racism as a negative character trait is grossly
overstated."
>After all, I don't believe that your implicit hysteria, lying and
>fondness for character assassination render you irredeemable.
Once again, your insults only reflect your desperation, my dear sir.
It's only nine words -- "racism as a negative character trait is
grossly overstated." Now where in those nine words of yours
have I shown any hysteria, lying or fondness of character
assassination? You did write those nine words, right? So there
could not possibly be any lie by me. While I simply listed a number
of people (having been murdered by racists) who would most
certainly strongly disagree with those nine words. You might
even call them MY "character witnesses." Now where is that
character of yours that you claim I'm assassinating?
Planet Visitor II
Earl Evleth
1j9b8ts.1ogi43e1e3fn6oN%dia...@notinnedmeat.freakishandunnatural.net, "Mr Q.
Z. Diablo" <dia...@notinnedmeat.freakishandunnatural.net> wrote:
> After all, I don't believe that your implicit hysteria, lying and
> fondness for character assassination render you irredeemable.
PV can be nice when he wants to, but he has his "needs".
All he has to do is decide to be nice.
Mr Q. Z. Diablo
> >> So I'll ask again -- do you feel that the character trait of someone
> >> who is a racist, is a "grossly overstated negative character trait"?
> >> Believe me.. that WAS his argument.
> >
> >Was it, Jim?
You have not answered this, I note. You have merely repeated an
assertion that nine poorly chosen words exactly represent my position
without making even an attempt to clarify that position.
Pathetic and utterly dishonest on your part, as usual.
> >After your characteristically melodramatic dummy spit and laughable
> >backsliding, misrepresentation of another's views is pretty well true to
> >form for you.
> >
> >I said that I was going to give you a rest but that doesn't mean that
> >I've not been reading your posts and this is worth commenting on.
> >
> >I have said over and over that racism in a person does not make them
> >irredeemable and that's all that I meant. Close members of my own
> >family, who I love very much, are and have been racist, Jim. Are you
> >telling me that they become unworthy of my affection because of a
> >negative character trait?
[snip waffle]
I note that you have not made an attempt to answer my question.
Pathetic, as usual.
[snip further evasion]
yitzhak in eretz isreal (sic)
> James 'Racist Lunatic' Noles <na...@earthlink.net> wrote ...
>
>> >> who is a racist, is a "grossly overstated negative character trait"?
>> >> Believe me.. that WAS his argument.
>> >
>> >Was it, Jim?
>
> You have not answered this, I note. You have merely repeated an
> assertion that nine poorly chosen words exactly represent my position
> without making even an attempt to clarify that position.
>
> Pathetic and utterly dishonest on your part, as usual.
>
>> >After your characteristically melodramatic dummy spit and laughable
>> >backsliding, misrepresentation of another's views is pretty well true to
>> >form for you.
>> >
>> >I said that I was going to give you a rest but that doesn't mean that
>> >I've not been reading your posts and this is worth commenting on.
>> >
>> >I have said over and over that racism in a person does not make them
>> >irredeemable and that's all that I meant. Close members of my own
>> >family, who I love very much, are and have been racist, Jim. Are you
>> >telling me that they become unworthy of my affection because of a
>> >negative character trait?
>
> [snip waffle]
>
> I note that you have not made an attempt to answer my question.
>
> Pathetic, as usual.
>
> [snip further evasion]
It doesn't matter, Jon. He has got what he wanted: attention.
Y.
Planet Visitor II
wrote:
<sarcasm>
My parents taught me to always be nice to my intellectual inferiors.
It helped me get through grammar school by sucking up to bullies.
</sarcasm>
Planet Visitor II
Earl Evleth
"Planet Visitor II" <na...@earthlink.net> wrote:
> My parents taught me to always be nice to my intellectual inferiors.
About a half-dozen mondial.
It is with us superiors you have a behavioral problem.
Planet Visitor II
wrote:
>On 18/11/09 8:04, in article 8477g5pe0en8scejv...@4ax.com,
>"Planet Visitor II" <na...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
>> My parents taught me to always be nice to my intellectual inferiors.
>
>About a half-dozen mondial.
Well, see??? Apparently your parents didn't teach you to be nice to
your intellectual superiors.
>It is with us superiors you have a behavioral problem.
In your dreams, sir... only in your dreams.
Planet Visitor II
Earl Evleth
"Planet Visitor II" <na...@earthlink.net> wrote:
> Well, see??? Apparently your parents didn't teach you to be nice to
> your intellectual superiors.
Yes, which is why I am allowed to treat you poorly.
yitzhak in eretz isreal (sic)
> wrote:
><sarcasm>
ROFL!!! Poor Nazi Noles ..
Y.
--
Yitzhak Isaac Goldstein
AADP's 'left-wing Israeli intellectual'
'The trouble with fighting for human freedom is that one spends most of
one's time defending scoundrels. For it is against scoundrels that
oppressive laws are first aimed, and oppression must be stopped at the
beginning if it is to be stopped at all'
(H.L. Mencken)
<http://elderofziyon.blogspot.com/>
Planet Visitor II
dia...@notinnedmeat.freakishandunnatural.net (Mr Q. Z. Diablo) wrote:
>Planet Visitor II <na...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
>> >> So I'll ask again -- do you feel that the character trait of someone
>> >> who is a racist, is a "grossly overstated negative character trait"?
>> >> Believe me.. that WAS his argument.
>> >
>> >Was it, Jim?
>
>You have not answered this, I note. You have merely repeated an
>assertion that nine poorly chosen words exactly represent my position
>without making even an attempt to clarify that position.
If that lame excuse of yours were a horse, we'd have to shoot it.
Please don't embarrass yourself with that pitiful whine of -- "I've
been misquoted." I quoted your words and your meaning quite
accurately. In fact, when you stated that "racism as a negative
character trait is grossly overstated," you followed that right up
with the words "to utterly condemn someone who may have many
positive characteristics because of their racism usually does nothing
to combat that racism; rather it often reinforces it." Actually,
passing up the opportunity to condemn that negative character
trait regardless of any other character trait is an intentional
appeal to accept racism as something not to be concerned about.
So your whining is just another crock of shit condemning any criticism
of racism.
Of course you don't want to detect any "negative character trait"
in a comment from your friend who insisted his G-d had told him
that all the Arabs (who he called "scum) from the Nile to the Tigris
should be exterminated. Now THAT is a dangerous action on
your part... not willing to confront and condemn racism, although
you kept saying that you do "condemn racism," when you see it.
Of course you claimed my condemning that comment as racist
was "dangerous" and made me a strident fanatic in condemning
racism, as if I'm the one having suggested the extermination of
all Arabs from the Nile to the Tigris.
>Pathetic and utterly dishonest on your part, as usual.
It's not my fault that you are incapable of handling the truth.
>> >After your characteristically melodramatic dummy spit and laughable
>> >backsliding, misrepresentation of another's views is pretty well true to
>> >form for you.
>> >
>> >I said that I was going to give you a rest but that doesn't mean that
>> >I've not been reading your posts and this is worth commenting on.
>> >
>> >I have said over and over that racism in a person does not make them
>> >irredeemable and that's all that I meant. Close members of my own
>> >family, who I love very much, are and have been racist, Jim. Are you
>> >telling me that they become unworthy of my affection because of a
>> >negative character trait?
>
>[snip waffle]
It's not my fault that you are incapable of handling the truth.
>I note that you have not made an attempt to answer my question.
Your support for their racism regardless of any supposed "positive
character attributes" you subjectively assign to them, shows the
question is a non-starter since you already have stated they are still
worthy of your affection. So I don't care if you wash their feet in
olive oil and lick it off... they are still holding a particular
racist view in your opinion. So they are worthy of your affection in
spite of their racism, regardless of what I feel about it. You say
so yourself. I am certain that anything I might say would not cause
you to not feel they are worthy of your affection regardless of their
racism. You've proved that in one remarkable disturbing case
right in this group.
>Pathetic, as usual.
>
>[snip further evasion]
It's not my fault that you are incapable of handling the truth.
HTH
Planet Visitor II
Mr Q. Z. Diablo
> On Wed, 18 Nov 2009 06:59:30 +1100,
> dia...@notinnedmeat.freakishandunnatural.net (Mr Q. Z. Diablo) wrote:
>
> >Planet Visitor II <na...@earthlink.net> wrote:
> >
> >> >> So I'll ask again -- do you feel that the character trait of someone
> >> >> who is a racist, is a "grossly overstated negative character trait"?
> >> >> Believe me.. that WAS his argument.
> >> >
> >> >Was it, Jim?
> >
> >You have not answered this, I note. You have merely repeated an
> >assertion that nine poorly chosen words exactly represent my position
> >without making even an attempt to clarify that position.
>
> If that lame excuse of yours were a horse, we'd have to shoot it.
>
> Please don't embarrass yourself with that pitiful whine of -- "I've
> been misquoted." I quoted your words
Correct.
> and your meaning quite
> accurately.
How do you quote someone's meaning, Jim? My word you must be on drugs.
> In fact, when you stated that "racism as a negative
> character trait is grossly overstated," you followed that right up
> with the words "to utterly condemn someone who may have many
> positive characteristics because of their racism usually does nothing
> to combat that racism; rather it often reinforces it." Actually,
> passing up the opportunity to condemn that negative character
> trait
"to utterly condemn someone" is not the same as condemning the character
trait Jim. If it is, please demonstrate why.
> >Pathetic and utterly dishonest on your part, as usual.
>
> It's not my fault that you are incapable of handling the truth.
You wouldn't know the truth if you found it in bed with your missus,
Jim.
> >> >After your characteristically melodramatic dummy spit and laughable
> >> >backsliding, misrepresentation of another's views is pretty well true to
> >> >form for you.
> >> >
> >> >I said that I was going to give you a rest but that doesn't mean that
> >> >I've not been reading your posts and this is worth commenting on.
> >> >
> >> >I have said over and over that racism in a person does not make them
> >> >irredeemable and that's all that I meant. Close members of my own
> >> >family, who I love very much, are and have been racist, Jim. Are you
> >> >telling me that they become unworthy of my affection because of a
> >> >negative character trait?
> >
> >[snip waffle]
>
> It's not my fault that you are incapable of handling the truth.
You wouldn't know the truth if it danced a jig on your dinner table,
shouting, "I AM THE TRUTH" at the top of its lungs and wearing a
gigantic sandwich board saying "THE TRUTH".
> >I note that you have not made an attempt to answer my question.
> It's not my fault that you are incapable of handling the truth.
It is your fault that you are utterly incapable of answering a difficult
question, Jim.
Pathetic of you, as ever.
Planet Visitor II
wrote:
>On 18/11/09 8:32, in article 9m87g5ljjf4qtlm3j...@4ax.com,
Only in your dreams, my son.
Planet Visitor II
Planet Visitor II
dia...@notinnedmeat.freakishandunnatural.net (Mr Q. Z. Diablo) wrote:
>Planet Visitor II <na...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 18 Nov 2009 06:59:30 +1100,
>> dia...@notinnedmeat.freakishandunnatural.net (Mr Q. Z. Diablo) wrote:
>>
>> >Planet Visitor II <na...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>> >
>> >> >> So I'll ask again -- do you feel that the character trait of someone
>> >> >> who is a racist, is a "grossly overstated negative character trait"?
>> >> >> Believe me.. that WAS his argument.
>> >> >
>> >> >Was it, Jim?
>> >
>> >You have not answered this, I note. You have merely repeated an
>> >assertion that nine poorly chosen words exactly represent my position
>> >without making even an attempt to clarify that position.
>>
>> If that lame excuse of yours were a horse, we'd have to shoot it.
>>
>> Please don't embarrass yourself with that pitiful whine of -- "I've
>> been misquoted." I quoted your words
>
>Correct.
>
>> and your meaning quite
>> accurately.
>
>How do you quote someone's meaning, Jim? My word you must be on drugs.
You examine the words carefully, and in this case you come away with
the realization that no matter how you slice and dice it, the words of
"racism as a negative character trait is grossly overstated," lend
support only to racists. It certainly does not mitigate your words
with that silly argument that "positive character traits" can somehow
undo racism.
I imagine a true and admitted racist could claim that he doesn't beat
his dog should negate his racism. Hell, your friend offers that kind
of excuse quite often. Claiming he was only "trolling" when he stated
"my view is that Israel could (and should) be allowed to clean up the
scum in the area, and not leave a single Arab alive from the Nile to
the Tigris, as G-d intended it in His Torah." Probably claiming that
the "good character trait" of reading his Torah negates his racist
rant for genocide of the Arabs in the Middle East.
Let me ask you this... since you've defined racism as a grossly
overstated negative character trait, and that it can somehow be offset
by comparable or more positive character traits, what exactly
are those "positive character traits," that can negate a person's
racism? Don't be shy... be precise. Does loving one's wife offset
that racism? Does not following through on that racism by
harming another offset that racism? Does being a fireman
offset that racism? Does contributing to the "Fund for the
Preservation of Islam," offset that racism? Does "going green" offset
that racism? Does being selected for a reality TV show offset that
racism? Does helping everyone who is of the same race they
are constitute a "positive character trait"?
What I see as a very fine "positive character trait" is believing in
equality and treating each and human being equally... but gee... that
couldn't be done by someone having the negative character trait of
racism, regardless of how "grossly overstated" you expect racism is.
Doing so would be what we call a paradox. Racism, by definition,
means one does NOT treat everyone equally.
>> In fact, when you stated that "racism as a negative
>> character trait is grossly overstated," you followed that right up
>> with the words "to utterly condemn someone who may have many
>> positive characteristics because of their racism usually does nothing
>> to combat that racism; rather it often reinforces it." Actually,
>> passing up the opportunity to condemn that negative character
>> trait
>
>"to utterly condemn someone" is not the same as condemning the character
>trait Jim. If it is, please demonstrate why.
Well, you certainly didn't "condemn" racism as a character trait, my
boy. In fact you rather made an excuse for it, wouldn't you say?
How is it NOT an excuse for racism to claim it is grossly overstated
as a negative character trait?
>> >Pathetic and utterly dishonest on your part, as usual.
>>
>> It's not my fault that you are incapable of handling the truth.
>
>You wouldn't know the truth if you found it in bed with your missus,
>Jim.
It's rather creepy that you would bring in the subject of my missus in
bed as some sort of claim that I don't know the truth.
>> >> >After your characteristically melodramatic dummy spit and laughable
>> >> >backsliding, misrepresentation of another's views is pretty well true to
>> >> >form for you.
>> >> >
>> >> >I said that I was going to give you a rest but that doesn't mean that
>> >> >I've not been reading your posts and this is worth commenting on.
>> >> >
>> >> >I have said over and over that racism in a person does not make them
>> >> >irredeemable and that's all that I meant. Close members of my own
>> >> >family, who I love very much, are and have been racist, Jim. Are you
>> >> >telling me that they become unworthy of my affection because of a
>> >> >negative character trait?
>> >
>> >[snip waffle]
>>
>> It's not my fault that you are incapable of handling the truth.
>
>You wouldn't know the truth if it danced a jig on your dinner table,
>shouting, "I AM THE TRUTH" at the top of its lungs and wearing a
>gigantic sandwich board saying "THE TRUTH".
Your problem is that hay is more acceptable to an ass than the truth.
>> >I note that you have not made an attempt to answer my question.
>
>> It's not my fault that you are incapable of handling the truth.
>
>It is your fault that you are utterly incapable of answering a difficult
>question, Jim.
Already answered.
>Pathetic of you, as ever.
And childishly repetitive of you, as ever.
HTH
Planet Visitor II
Earl Evleth
"Planet Visitor II" <na...@earthlink.net> wrote:
> On Wed, 18 Nov 2009 08:47:06 +0100, Earl Evleth <evl...@wanadoo.fr>
> wrote:
>
>> On 18/11/09 8:32, in article 9m87g5ljjf4qtlm3j...@4ax.com,
>> "Planet Visitor II" <na...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>>
>>> Well, see??? Apparently your parents didn't teach you to be nice to
>>> your intellectual superiors.
>>
>> Yes, which is why I am allowed to treat you poorly.
>
> Only in your dreams, my son.
>
>
I treat you kindly otherwise?
Planet Visitor II
wrote:
>On 22/11/09 2:37, in article be5hg5p8762a8eep3...@4ax.com,
>"Planet Visitor II" <na...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 18 Nov 2009 08:47:06 +0100, Earl Evleth <evl...@wanadoo.fr>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On 18/11/09 8:32, in article 9m87g5ljjf4qtlm3j...@4ax.com,
>>> "Planet Visitor II" <na...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Well, see??? Apparently your parents didn't teach you to be nice to
>>>> your intellectual superiors.
>>>
>>> Yes, which is why I am allowed to treat you poorly.
>>
>> Only in your dreams, my son.
>>
>
>I treat you kindly otherwise?
Why would you even need to ask that question? I have already told you
that your parents didn't teach you to be nice to your intellectual
superiors.
Planet Visitor II
yitzhak in eretz isreal (sic)
> dia...@notinnedmeat.freakishandunnatural.net (Mr Q. Z. Diablo) wrote:
>>How do you quote someone's meaning, Jim? My word you must be on drugs.
> You examine the words carefully, and in this case you come away with
> the realization that no matter how you slice and dice it, the words of
> "racism as a negative character trait is grossly overstated," lend
> support only to racists. It certainly does not mitigate your words
> with that silly argument that "positive character traits" can somehow
> undo racism.
Translation: you don't.
> I imagine a true and admitted racist could claim that he doesn't beat
> his dog should negate his racism. Hell, your friend offers that kind
> of excuse quite often. Claiming he was only "trolling" when he stated
> "my view is that Israel could (and should) be allowed to clean up the
> scum in the area, and not leave a single Arab alive from the Nile to
> the Tigris, as G-d intended it in His Torah."
No proof offered, your claim fails.
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yitzhak in eretz isreal (sic)
> wrote:
>>Mr. D., you are stating the obvious. While I applaud you, I think that at
>>this point it is perhaps overkill.
> Mr. D.
Oh-oh, Jon ... 'looks like you're the new object of Nazi Spastic Noles's
obsessive-compulsive disorder.
> is a big believer in over-kill. After all he called me a "racist
> lunatic" because
you're a racist lunatic.
> I didn't approve of his comparing the Holocaust to a "toothache," in his
> trying to claim the Shoah wasn't "evil" to him. Of course that's a
> personal issue and we'll let it go at that.
Actually, that's a lie. Jon called you a 'racist lunatic' just after your
racist rant against Arabs and Thais.
You are a racist lunatic, Nazi Noles.
However, let's dwell for a second on who _else_ has had cause to mention
your racism, eh?
<fx: Nazi Noles mutters, 'oh, shit ....'>
'... you know full well that you are a racist and will remain one until
you die'
(Reichstag Rennie, 17 December 2006)
<http://is.gd/1DgvD>
Well, well, well. Fancy that, eh?
Did you start a vendetta against Reichstag Rennie? Did you start to obsess
over him the way you do over Jon and me? Or did you wait until he had
insulted Israel and then stick your nose so far up his bumcrack that he
walked funny for a month?
'Israel should not exist'
(Reichstag Rennie)
<http://is.gd/YQ96>
'That's good enough for me'
(Nazi Noles)
<http://is.gd/1g40n>
Well .. <fx: dusts hands> ... that's _that_ question answered.
{ snip 'desi' (sic) this, 'desi' (sic) that, 'desi' (sic) the next thing }
Y.
--
Yitzhak Isaac Goldstein
AADP's 'left-wing Israeli intellectual'
yitzhak in eretz isreal (sic)
>> From: James 'Nazi Bastard' Noles
>> Not exactly. The honorable Mr. D. was not referring to the _character
>> of the person against whom the prejudice is directed_. He was referring
>> instead to the person having directed that prejudice... insisting that
>> this character trait of being a racist is "grossly overstated" as a
>> negative character trait.
>>
>> So I'll ask again -- do you feel that the character trait of someone who
>> is a racist, is a "grossly overstated negative character trait"?
>> Believe me.. that WAS his argument.
> I have said all I am going to say on this. I thought my point of view
> was clear. But you're asking me to get into side-taking, which is
> something I just refuse to do. Sorry about that, but it's the way I am.
It's the Nazi Noles way, Donna. Just like his hero (for whom he voted in
2000 and 2004), Nazi Spastic Noles believes you're either for him, or
against him.
> I know you are not happy, I'm sorry.
Come now, Donna. If you were the group punchbag, incapable of winning a
single argument, wouldn't _you_ be pretty pissed, too?
yitzhak in eretz isreal (sic)
> Please don't embarrass yourself with that pitiful whine of -- "I've
> been misquoted."
'They can only be quotes if they are QUOTES' [1]
<http://minilien.fr/a0k6hk>
{ snip 'desi' (sic) this, 'desi' (sic) that, 'desi' (sic) the next thing }
> as if I'm the one having suggested the extermination of all Arabs from
> the Nile to the Tigris.
Well, you are, Nazi Noles. Or have you forgotten....
'Since the words are there for everyone to examine. He called it MY
PHILOSOPHY. But I have never used those words. Thus HE is the liar,
and the racist. The words are HIS. Not mine' [2]
<http://minilien.fr/a0k6hw>
> It's not my fault that you are incapable of handling the truth.
> It's not my fault that you are incapable of handling the truth.
> It's not my fault that you are incapable of handling the truth.
Nazi Spastic Noles is in copy and paste mode.
Jon is hereby declared the winner.
Y.
[1] news:alt.activism.death-penalty is asked to excuse the Nazi Spastic's
spastic use of block capitals
--
Yitzhak Isaac Goldstein
AADP's 'left-wing Israeli intellectual'