Health Care Reform Question
Foe
it is so urgent to pass this health care reform because so many people
are uninsured, then why is the new bill not going to take effect until
2013-2014?
But yet, the new tax hikes would take place in 2010?
Earl Evleth
c44bef24-ece0-4e1a...@g26g2000yqe.googlegroups.com, "Foe"
<foeha...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> this health care reform because so many people
> are uninsured, then why is the new bill not going to take effect until
> 2013-2014?
A portion of the public are slow learners.
More likey it takes time to implement a near revolutionary
change.
They would have done better to hire the French to remake
US Health Care using the successful model developed
in France.
Foe
>
> <foehamme...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > this health care reform because so many people
> > are uninsured, then why is the new bill not going to take effect until
> > 2013-2014?
>
> A portion of the public are slow learners.
>
> More likey it takes time to implement a near revolutionary
> change.
I guess it's not that urgent then, no?
>
> They would have done better to hire the French to remake
> US Health Care using the successful model developed
> in France.
We have states that are bigger than your country. Do you really think
the France model of healthcare would work on a country the size and
breadth of the US?
Earl Evleth
e626237b-3b72-4f89...@k17g2000yqh.googlegroups.com, "Foe"
<foeha...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> I guess it's not that urgent then, no?
>
some of it will be implemented soon.
>>
>> They would have done better to hire the French to remake
>> US Health Care using the successful model developed
>> in France.
>
> We have states that are bigger than your country.
Your knowledge is poor. France has a population of
64 million. There is no State in the US with that population
California, the largest has around 37 million
You should have graduated from high school, quiting in the 9th
grad has robbed you of common knowledge
> Do you really think
> the France model of healthcare would work on a country the size and
> breadth of the US?
Yes, in principle. The problem hat you have powerful private interests
and a population of clueless citizens.
Foe
>
> <foehamme...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > I guess it's not that urgent then, no?
>
> some of it will be implemented soon.
>
>
>
> >> They would have done better to hire the French to remake
> >> US Health Care using the successful model developed
> >> in France.
>
> > We have states that are bigger than your country.
>
> Your knowledge is poor. France has a population of
> 64 million.
I guess shit tends to accumulate huh?
>There is no State in the US with that population
> California, the largest has around 37 million
>
What about land mass?
> You should have graduated from high school, quiting in the 9th
> grad has robbed you of common knowledge
'9th grad' ??
Hey fatso, go back to high school and learn to write yourself.
>
> > Do you really think
> > the France model of healthcare would work on a country the size and
> > breadth of the US?
>
> Yes, in principle. The problem hat you have powerful private interests
> and a population of clueless citizens.
Yes they are clueless. Look at the boob they elected President last
year.
Earl Evleth
e5c0481d-19fd-4583...@l13g2000yqb.googlegroups.com, "Foe"
<foeha...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> I guess shit tends to accumulate huh?
At least around where you are.
Mitchell Holman
9ecab8...@l13g2000yqb.googlegroups.com:
> On Dec 22, 5:08�am, Earl Evleth <evl...@wanadoo.fr> wrote:
>
>
>> You should have graduated from high school, quiting in the 9th
>> grad has robbed you of common knowledge
>
> '9th grad' ??
>
> Hey fatso, go back to high school and learn to write yourself.
>
Wow.
A spelling flame from someone who posts spelling
errors of his own.
Sheesh............
"I think the Parisians are afraid of them personaly."
"Foe", Nov 30 2009.
Foe
> Foe <foehamme...@yahoo.com> wrote in news:e5c0481d-19fd-4583-877d-
> 9ecab8904...@l13g2000yqb.googlegroups.com:
>
> > On Dec 22, 5:08 am, Earl Evleth <evl...@wanadoo.fr> wrote:
>
> >> You should have graduated from high school, quiting in the 9th
> >> grad has robbed you of common knowledge
>
> > '9th grad' ??
>
> > Hey fatso, go back to high school and learn to write yourself.
>
> Wow.
>
> A spelling flame from someone who posts spelling
> errors of his own.
Yeah, but it's funnier when Earl puts his foot in his mouth, don'tcha
think?
>
> Sheesh............
>
> "I think the Parisians are afraid of them personaly."
> "Foe", Nov 30 2009.
You're not stalking me are you HoleMan?
Mitchell Holman
580723...@y24g2000yqb.googlegroups.com:
> On Dec 22, 8:00�am, Mitchell Holman <noemailple...@comcast.net> wrote:
>> Foe <foehamme...@yahoo.com> wrote in news:e5c0481d-19fd-4583-877d-
>> 9ecab8904...@l13g2000yqb.googlegroups.com:
>>
>> > On Dec 22, 5:08�am, Earl Evleth <evl...@wanadoo.fr> wrote:
>>
>> >> You should have graduated from high school, quiting in the 9th
>> >> grad has robbed you of common knowledge
>>
>> > '9th grad' �??
>>
>> > Hey fatso, go back to high school and learn to write yourself.
>>
>> � �Wow.
>>
>> � �A spelling flame from someone who posts spelling
>> errors of his own.
>
> Yeah, but it's funnier when Earl puts his foot in his mouth, don'tcha
> think?
>
Your hypocrisy outshines his. Aren't you proud?
>>
>> � �Sheesh............
>>
>> "I think the Parisians are afraid of them personaly."
>> "Foe", Nov 30 2009.
>
> You're not stalking me are you HoleMan?
If it weren't for Double Standards you would have
no standards at all.
Is that why you hide behind a childish handle?
Earl Evleth
Xns9CE9C0F493D6F...@216.196.97.130, "Mitchell Holman"
<noemai...@comcast.net> wrote:
> Is that why you hide behind a childish handle?
There are childish people around. Mike ranks at the top
of the list.
Foe
> Foe <foehamme...@yahoo.com> wrote in news:cd8d4e33-fa6d-465f-9f76-
> 58072397f...@y24g2000yqb.googlegroups.com:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Dec 22, 8:00 am, Mitchell Holman <noemailple...@comcast.net> wrote:
> >> Foe <foehamme...@yahoo.com> wrote in news:e5c0481d-19fd-4583-877d-
> >> 9ecab8904...@l13g2000yqb.googlegroups.com:
>
> >> > On Dec 22, 5:08 am, Earl Evleth <evl...@wanadoo.fr> wrote:
>
> >> >> You should have graduated from high school, quiting in the 9th
> >> >> grad has robbed you of common knowledge
>
> >> > '9th grad' ??
>
> >> > Hey fatso, go back to high school and learn to write yourself.
>
> >> Wow.
>
> >> A spelling flame from someone who posts spelling
> >> errors of his own.
>
> > Yeah, but it's funnier when Earl puts his foot in his mouth, don'tcha
> > think?
>
> Your hypocrisy outshines his. Aren't you proud?
Yeah, but Earl got bit by his own joke.
<grin>
>
>
>
> >> Sheesh............
>
> >> "I think the Parisians are afraid of them personaly."
> >> "Foe", Nov 30 2009.
>
> > You're not stalking me are you HoleMan?
>
> If it weren't for Double Standards you would have
> no standards at all.
>
> Is that why you hide behind a childish handle?- Hide quoted text -
And you hide behind Big Earl.
>
> - Show quoted text -
Foe
>
> <foehamme...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > this health care reform because so many people
> > are uninsured, then why is the new bill not going to take effect until
> > 2013-2014?
>
> A portion of the public are slow learners.
>
> More likey it takes time to implement a near revolutionary
> change.
>
> They would have done better to hire the French to remake
> US Health Care using the successful model developed
> in France.
http://www.dickmorris.com/blog/2009/12/22/day-one-how-obamacare-will-alienate-americans/
Earl Evleth
289fd740-b83b-44f3...@s31g2000yqs.googlegroups.com, "Foe"
<foeha...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> They would have done better to hire the French to remake
>> US Health Care using the successful model developed
>> in France.
I repeat that recommendation.
Foe
>
> <foehamme...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >> They would have done better to hire the French to remake
> >> US Health Care using the successful model developed
> >> in France.
>
> I repeat that recommendation.
Does that include sending botched patients to the US for doctor's to
fix here?
Earl Evleth
Earl Evleth
6eb260df-2d35-4d13...@a21g2000yqc.googlegroups.com, "Foe"
<foeha...@yahoo.com> wrote:
Earl Evleth
6eb260df-2d35-4d13...@a21g2000yqc.googlegroups.com, "Foe"
<foeha...@yahoo.com> wrote:
90,000 death penalties in American hospitals due to infections,
that is to say "poor hygiene"
Hospital Infection Deaths In Focus
Gov�t Estimates Of 90,000 In 2000 Said Much Lower Than Real Number
By Brian Dakss
Operating Room 2 in Bridgeport Hospital in Connecticut, shown on May 2,
2002, was linked to dozens of patients infections and one death in the late
1990s �(AP)
(AP)� Deaths linked to hospital infections in 2000 were 14 percent higher
than the federal government estimated, and nearly 75 percent of the deaths
could have been prevented, a newspaper reported.
About 103,000 deaths were linked to hospital infections, 13,000 more than
the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention calculated last year,
according to a report in Sunday editions of the Chicago Tribune.
Many of the deaths were caused by unsanitary facilities, germ-laden
instruments and unwashed hands, the newspaper reported. Infection rates are
soaring nationally, exacerbated by hospital cutbacks and carelessness by
doctors and nurses, according to the newspaper.
Hospital infections are now the fourth leading cause of death in the United
States, behind heart disease, cancer and strokes, according to the CDC.
Serious violations of infection-control standards have been found in the
majority of hospitals nationally, the newspaper said. Since 1995, more than
75 percent of all hospitals have been cited for serious cleanliness and
sanitation violations.
Hospital cleaning and janitorial staffs are overwhelmed and inadequately
trained, resulting in unsanitary rooms or wards where germs have thrived,
the newspaper said. And payroll cutbacks have gutted staffs devoted to
reducing infections.
In 1998, eight children died of an infection that spread from a Chicago
pediatric medical center to a hospital. The flulike outbreak was halted
months later after three dozen sick health care workers were ordered to stay
home.
At Loyola University Medical Center in Maywood, Ill., a doctor dropped a
surgical glove on a dirty floor, picked it up, put it on his hand and
changed the bloody dressing on the open wound of a burn patient.
In Detroit, infections killed four babies in 1997 as doctors and nurses
moved about the pediatric intensive care unit without washing their hands,
according to court records and interviews. It took two months for
administrators to close the nursery for cleaning.
Staphylococcus bacteria inside a West Palm Beach, Fla., hospital infected
more than 100 cardiac patients, killing 13, according to court records. The
survivors underwent painful and debilitating surgery, as rotting bone was
cut from their bodies.
At Bridgeport Hospital in Connecticut, germs flourished in areas that are
supposed to be the most sterile, according to a review of hospital records
collected in a lawsuit. The case involved four patients who contracted
infections in late 1996 and early 1997. The paper said one operating room
was often contaminated by dust because of faulty ventilation. Flies buzzed
overhead during operations and doctors wore germ-laden clothes from home.
Many did not wash their hands before operating, the paper said.
Hospitals are not required to disclose infection rates, and most don't, the
paper said. Also, doctors are not required to tell patients about risk or
exposure to hospital germs, the paper said.
To document the rising rate of infection-related deaths, the newspaper
analyzed records from 75 federal and state agencies, as well as internal
hospital files, patient databases and court cases around the country.
CDC officials said they believe most hospital infections are preventable,
but the agency has not arrived at a precise number.
The American Hospital Association said the last decade of unprecedented
cost-cutting and financial instability has impacted all areas of hospital
care.
"It's had an effect on infection control and it's had an effect on our
ability to recruit and retain workers. It's had an effect on our ability to
invest in new and updated equipment as much as we would like to," said Rick
Wade, spokesman for the AHA.
"It's also a question in front of society: How much do you want to invest in
high-quality, safe medical care?," said Wade.
Mitchell Holman
53514b...@k17g2000yqh.googlegroups.com:
> On Dec 22, 7:57�pm, Mitchell Holman <noemailple...@comcast.net> wrote:
>> Foe <foehamme...@yahoo.com> wrote in news:cd8d4e33-fa6d-465f-9f76-
>> 58072397f...@y24g2000yqb.googlegroups.com:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> > On Dec 22, 8:00�am, Mitchell Holman <noemailple...@comcast.net>
wrote
>:
>> >> Foe <foehamme...@yahoo.com> wrote in news:e5c0481d-19fd-4583-877d-
>> >> 9ecab8904...@l13g2000yqb.googlegroups.com:
>>
>> >> > On Dec 22, 5:08�am, Earl Evleth <evl...@wanadoo.fr> wrote:
>>
>> >> >> You should have graduated from high school, quiting in the 9th
>> >> >> grad has robbed you of common knowledge
>>
>> >> > '9th grad' �??
>>
>> >> > Hey fatso, go back to high school and learn to write yourself.
>>
>> >> � �Wow.
>>
>> >> � �A spelling flame from someone who posts spelling
>> >> errors of his own.
>>
>> > Yeah, but it's funnier when Earl puts his foot in his mouth,
don'tcha
>> > think?
>>
>> � � �Your hypocrisy outshines his. Aren't you proud?
>
> Yeah, but Earl got bit by his own joke.
And you "got bit" by your own spelling error
even as you whine about the spelling errors of others.
Could you be a bigger hypocrite if you tried?
Pretty please?
>>
>>
>> >> � �Sheesh............
John Rennie
> On 23/12/09 14:06, in article
> 6eb260df-2d35-4d13...@a21g2000yqc.googlegroups.com, "Foe"
> <foeha...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> On Dec 23, 8:01 am, Earl Evleth <evl...@wanadoo.fr> wrote:
>>> On 23/12/09 12:28, in article
>>> 289fd740-b83b-44f3-a9fd-db2ee122c...@s31g2000yqs.googlegroups.com, "Foe"
>>>
>>> <foehamme...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>> They would have done better to hire the French to remake
>>>>> US Health Care using the successful model developed
>>>>> in France.
>>> I repeat that recommendation.
>> Does that include sending botched patients to the US for doctor's to
>> fix here?
>
>
> 90,000 death penalties in American hospitals due to infections,
> that is to say "poor hygiene"
And so on and so on. the correct response to Foe should
have been that the 'botched' patient was a casualty of
French PRIVATE care.
Earl Evleth
"John Rennie" <john-...@talktalk.net> wrote:
> And so on and so on. the correct response to Foe should
> have been that the 'botched' patient was a casualty of
> French PRIVATE care.
True, it was a private clinic. Most of them are under
some sort of agreement with the SS. Even the American Hospital
in Paris has an agreement, its wiki
http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/H�pital_am�ricain_de_Paris
says
"L'H�pital am�ricain de Paris est agr�� et non conventionn� par la S�curit�
sociale." meaning they charge whatever rates they charge but part of
that will be paid by the French SS.
It also states "Le corps m�dical compte environ 500 m�decins et chirurgiens
lib�raux" the last word tells you that they charge what they charge.
The difference between them and a public hospital is that all the doctors
in a French public hospital charge the SS rate. I never saw those charges.
In a clinic you can be assured of a private room. In the public hospital
that is a medical decision. In my last two stays I had a private room
but I noticed in walking up and down the double hallways of the particular
unit I was in, that about half the rooms had two beds. I think I am being
treated preferentially because I am a guinea pig (oink) in a international
clinical study and they invested, so far a lot of time in me. They wanted
to pin down why I went down hill this summer.
There is a bit of professional glory in France in being the head of a
service in a French hospital. In one case years ago, when Donna had`
carpel tunnel she was referred to a specialist at the same hospital.
She was told there was a wait but that if she paid more she could
get an appointment the next day. We did and they administered an
injection in the wrist the the carpel went away and never returned.
I thought that was not quite honest. There is no funny business
with my lung specialist. He may have a separate office elsewheres
and does take patients who may more. The standard SS rate to specialists
is only 23 euros. But most charge between 50-80 euros for a visit.
You can find specialists via a web site http://www.ameli.fr/
which lists all doctors and how much they charge.
Donna Evleth
> From: Foe <foeha...@yahoo.com>
> Organization: http://groups.google.com
> Newsgroups: alt.activism.death-penalty
> Date: Wed, 23 Dec 2009 05:06:51 -0800 (PST)
> Subject: Re: Health Care Reform Question
How did I just know that one was coming? I also noticed that you never
commented on my observation that celebrities and quacks of whatever national
origin just seem to gravitate to each other. Do tell us about Michael
Jackson and Elvis Presley. Neither of whom survived past the initial
medical botch.
Donna Evleth
Bill Bonde {Colourless green ideas don't sleep furiously)
Donna Evleth wrote:
>
> > From: Foe <foeha...@yahoo.com>
> > Organization: http://groups.google.com
> > Newsgroups: alt.activism.death-penalty
> > Date: Wed, 23 Dec 2009 05:06:51 -0800 (PST)
> > Subject: Re: Health Care Reform Question
> >
> > On Dec 23, 8:01 am, Earl Evleth <evl...@wanadoo.fr> wrote:
> >> On 23/12/09 12:28, in article
> >> 289fd740-b83b-44f3-a9fd-db2ee122c...@s31g2000yqs.googlegroups.com, "Foe"
> >>
> >> <foehamme...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >>>> They would have done better to hire the French to remake
> >>>> US Health Care using the successful model developed
> >>>> in France.
> >>
> >> I repeat that recommendation.
> >
> > Does that include sending botched patients to the US for doctor's to
> > fix here?
>
> How did I just know that one was coming?
>
Because I'd mentioned it days ago when I brought up the poor French
pop icon?
> I also noticed that you never
> commented on my observation that celebrities and quacks of whatever national
> origin just seem to gravitate to each other. Do tell us about Michael
> Jackson and Elvis Presley. Neither of whom survived past the initial
> medical botch.
>
They survived for years getting inordinate amounts of drugs from
their "doctors". That's not really the "Do no harm" oath that
doctors take.
--
Tiger tells eleven mistresses, "I will leave my wife for you."
Foe
> Foe <foehamme...@yahoo.com> wrote in news:72db6bbb-9706-429d-9c2a-
> 53514bcee...@k17g2000yqh.googlegroups.com:
>
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>
>
>
>
>
> > On Dec 22, 7:57 pm, Mitchell Holman <noemailple...@comcast.net> wrote:
> >> Foe <foehamme...@yahoo.com> wrote in news:cd8d4e33-fa6d-465f-9f76-
> >> 58072397f...@y24g2000yqb.googlegroups.com:
>
> >> > On Dec 22, 8:00 am, Mitchell Holman <noemailple...@comcast.net>
> wrote
> >:
> >> >> Foe <foehamme...@yahoo.com> wrote in news:e5c0481d-19fd-4583-877d-
> >> >> 9ecab8904...@l13g2000yqb.googlegroups.com:
>
> >> >> > On Dec 22, 5:08 am, Earl Evleth <evl...@wanadoo.fr> wrote:
>
> >> >> >> You should have graduated from high school, quiting in the 9th
> >> >> >> grad has robbed you of common knowledge
>
> >> >> > '9th grad' ??
>
> >> >> > Hey fatso, go back to high school and learn to write yourself.
>
> >> >> Wow.
>
> >> >> A spelling flame from someone who posts spelling
> >> >> errors of his own.
>
> >> > Yeah, but it's funnier when Earl puts his foot in his mouth,
> don'tcha
> >> > think?
>
> >> Your hypocrisy outshines his. Aren't you proud?
>
> > Yeah, but Earl got bit by his own joke.
>
> And you "got bit" by your own spelling error
> even as you whine about the spelling errors of others.
And you're just a parasite that follows Earl around and ad-libs off of
him.
>
> Could you be a bigger hypocrite if you tried?
>
> Pretty please?
Well we have you don't we?
Mitchell Holman
aa7d1b...@d21g2000yqn.googlegroups.com:
Evasion noted.
YOU whine about spelling errors even as YOU
post spelling errors.
Maybe you should back off the snide "Hey fatso,
go back to high school and learn to write yourself"
comments given your own posting history.
Deal?
Foe
> Foe <foehamme...@yahoo.com> wrote in news:55a9e9c4-e35a-4520-8abb-
> aa7d1b252...@d21g2000yqn.googlegroups.com:
In another post, like any good stalker like you would find.
;)
>
> Maybe you should back off the snide "Hey fatso,
> go back to high school and learn to write yourself"
> comments given your own posting history.
Your right, next time Earls casts his insults first I'll just ignore
it.
It's his medicine right?
>
> Deal?- Hide quoted text -
Are you Earl's lawyer or something? You keep following him around.
Earl Evleth
d1d65194-aed7-457f...@v13g2000yqk.googlegroups.com, "Foe"
<foeha...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Are you Earl's lawyer or something? You keep following him around.
We follow each other and pat each other on the back. A mutual
admiration society. We qualify, you don't.
Mr Q. Z. Diablo
The correct response would have been to shitcan the mindless, racist,
semi-literate fuckstain. It works perfectly for me.
HTH. HaND.
--
A face full of divertamenti
Foe
>
> <foehamme...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > Are you Earl's lawyer or something? You keep following him around.
>
> We follow each other and pat each other on the back. A mutual
> admiration society. We qualify, you don't.
I think if you somehow stopped short Mitch's head would go right up
your butt.
Earl Evleth
ab55c7a3-1977-44e5...@j14g2000yqm.googlegroups.com, "Foe"
<foeha...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> I think
You are totally incapable of that
Foe
Whole sentences are too much for you aren't they?
Bill Bonde {Colourless green ideas don't sleep furiously)
Ich denk, also bin ich.
PJ O'Donovan
<Do tell us about Michael Jackson and Elvis Presley. Neither of whom
survived past the initial
medical botch.
Donna Evleth>
LOL @ a classic over reach
Now the self inflicted over indulgence of the wealthiest of the
wealthiest of Americans in the most affluent country in the world
somehow reflects the quality of its healthcare.
How desperate will these Socialized medicine pimps become in their
futile attempts to justify their proven unworkable dogma????