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On Mar 31, 8:32 am, WKBBr...@aol.com wrote:
> _http://www.talk2action.org/story/2008/3/30/13024/4112_
> (http://www.talk2action.org/story/2008/3/30/13024/4112)
> Rick Warren And The New Evangelism: Won't Be Fooled Again?
>
> The purpose driven man and his 'PEACE' mission marches forward with a goatee
> and Hawaiian shirt
> Bill Berkowitz, Talk2Action, March 30, 2008
>
> In two recent Talk2Action posts, _Richard Bartholomew_
> (http://www.talk2action.org/story/2008/3/30/54825/1882) and _Fred Clarkson_
> (http://www.talk2action.org/story/2008/3/29/1509/49603) talk about Rick Warren, the popular and
> passionate pastor of SaddlebackChurch in Lake Forest, Calif., widely
> considered one of the more important mega-churches in the country.
> While Bartholomew cites a speech Warren gave in Uganda in which he basically
> claimed that homosexulaity is not a human right, Clarkson raised important
> questions about so-called moderate evangelicals in general and Warren in
> particular.
> In December 2006, Warren hosted both Sen. Barack Obama and Sen. Sam Brownback
> at his annual AIDS conference. "Right wing, left wing. I'm for the whole
> bird," said Warren.
> "You have to have two wings to fly. When I thought of all the men I knew in
> Congress and the Senate, and believe me there were more who wanted to come [to
> the conference], I thought of Sen. Obama and Sen. Brownback for three
> specific reasons," Warren said, citing "their integrity, their civility even when
> they disagree and their openness to learning and listening."
> Warren appears to be close with U2's Bono, eschews being labeled part of the
> Christian Right, and is seen by some as a man for all seasons; perhaps even
> the 21st century's Billy Graham.
> In March 2006, I wrote a lengthy piece about the Hawaiian short-wearing
> pastor who has sold millions of books and has grand plans for Africa.
> Meet Rick Warren, the most prominent face of the new evangelism
> You may have seen him interviewed on CNN's Larry King Show; some
> well-intentioned person may have given you "The Purpose Driven Life," the book that has
> sold well over 20 million copies; you may have noted that Time magazine named
> him one of "15 World Leaders Who Mattered Most in 2004," and in 2005 one of
> the "100 Most Influential People in the World."
> If you wonder whether he is "all that," consider this: In 1980 he founded
> SaddlebackChurchin Lake Forest, Calif., with one family and now, he is
> presiding over a congregation averaging between 22,000 and 25,000 weekly
> attendees*; he's built a 120-acre campus; and he has more than 300 community ministries
> to groups such as prisoners, CEOs, addicts, single parents, and people with
> HIV/AIDS.
> According to his website, "He also leads the Purpose Driven Network of
> churches, a global coalition of congregations in 162 countries. More than 400,000
> ministers and priests have been trained worldwide, and almost 157,000 church
> leaders subscribe to Ministry Toolbox, his weekly newsletter."
> He has spoken at the United Nations, the World Economic Forum in Davos, the
> African Union, the Council on Foreign Relations, Harvard's Kennedy School of
> Government, TIME's Global Health Summit, and numerous congresses around the
> world.
> Here is what a handful of mainstream publications are saying about him (these
> quotes are prominently displayed at his website):
> The Economist - "arguably the most influential pastor in America."
> The Times (London) - " Business and political leaders across America are
> turning to [him] for guidance."
> Forbes - "Were it a business, SaddlebackChurchwould be compared with Dell,
> Google or Starbucks."
> ABC News -- "The Purpose Driven Life is the epicenter of a spiritual
> shockwave taking root across America in unlikely places like offices and university
> campuses. It has become a movement."
> Paul Nussbaum of Knight-Ridder News Service, recently wrote that he was
> "perhaps the most influential evangelical** Christian in America."
> He is Rick Warren, the most prominent face of the new evangelism.
> Rising above the field
> In every generation, it seems as if at least one Christian preacher rises
> above the others and achieves special distinction. He -- and it's always a he --
> has a large and faithful following, receives ample attention from the media
> and often even earns the admiration of non-Christians.
> Who in this country hasn't heard of the Rev. Billy Graham? In a sea swarming
> with televangelist wannabes, prattling preachers, and made-for-media
> ministries, the Rev. Graham projected an honest persona. Over the course of several
> decades he became one of the most respected, recognized, and influential
> Christian leaders in the world. Not only did he fill stadiums for his crusades, he
> counseled a gaggle of presidents from Richard M. Nixon to Bill Clinton. And
> he has basked in the warm glow of a generally non-critical media.
> During the latter half of the twentieth century, the development and growth
> of the electronic media, combined with government tax and media policy,
> allowed all sorts of religious hucksters, entertainers, and pitch-men to occupy
> center stage for their 15 minutes -- and occasionally, quite a bit longer.
> Some of televangelism's earliest superstars disappeared from America's living
> rooms due to circumstances that they created.
> Despite the fact that the Rev. Jimmy Swaggart's huge and faithful following
> was stunned by revelations that he had an unquenchable thirst for, and
> curiosity about, the daily lives of prostitutes, they were nevertheless enthralled
> by his tear-filled televised confession.
> The Rev. Jim Bakker apparently became confused over which activities
> satisfied God and which ones satisfied his own financial and sexual desires. Bakker
> bilked his large television audience out of millions of dollars, was
> arrested, convicted, served time and only recently has resurfaced on the airwaves,
> albeit in a fairly limited venue.
> The Reverend Pat Robertson and the Rev. Jerry Falwell have successfully
> courted the media spotlight for several decades. While the Rev. Robertson's
> recent comments advocating the assassination of Hugo Chavez, Venezuela's
> democratically elected president, and his claims that the stroke suffered by Ariel
> Sharon, Israel's Prime Minister, was retribution by God, has made him a
> less-compelling figure for the mainstream media, the Rev. Falwell still manages to
> garner face-time on a fairly regular basis on cable television's 24/7 news
> networks.
> In the 21st century, while ministering to a well-attendedchurchis fine,
> running a mega-churchis better, and while having a religious radio program
> might get the word out, taking advantage of a multitude of media and speaking
> opportunities provides many more growth opportunities.
> Promoting the P.E.A.C.E. agenda
> Like many Christian evangelicals/missionaries before him, Rick Warren, the
> son of a Southern Baptist preacher, has a grand vision. However, unlike most
> of his predecessors, Warren has a robust array of skills and resources: He is
> smart, media savvy, has a well-honed business sense, is fully conscious of
> the power of the Internet, knows how to manage his message, and has an
> impressive cash flow -- according to Warren, much of the money generated by the sales
> of his books goes to his Acts of Mercy Foundation. Warren and his wife are
> also contribute to and are deeply involved in the worldwide fight against
> HIV/AIDS.
> Warren's agenda revolves around "attacking what he calls the five 'Global
> Goliaths': spiritual emptiness -- "[People] don't know God made them for a
> purpose"; egocentric leadership -- "The world is full of little Saddams. Most
> people cannot handle power. It goes to their heads"; extreme poverty -- "Half
> the world lives on less than $2 per day"; pandemic disease -- "We have billions
> of people dying from preventable disease. That's unconscionable"; and
> illiteracy/poor education -- "Half the world is functionally illiterate."
> "His goal is a second Reformation by restoring responsibility in people,
> credibility in churches, and civility in culture."
> To attack these evils, he has developed what he has called a PEACE agenda:
>
> * Plant new churches, or partner with existing ones.
> * Equip leaders.
> * Assist the poor.
> * Care for the sick.
> * Educate the next generation.
>
> In a recent New York Times Magazine story on the latest efforts of American
> evangelicals to convert Africans to Christianity, Daniel Bergner writes that
> Warren declared Rwanda the world's "first purpose-driven nation." According to
> Bergner, "The country would be a test target for his global plan to
> eradicate spiritual deprivation along with physical poverty and disease and
> illiteracy. 'God gets the most glory when you tackle the biggest giants,' he told
> Christianity Today magazine."
> According to Bergner, last summer Warren "sent an advance team of about 50
> American evangelicals to meet with Rwandan leaders, and soon, he envisions,
> hundreds of short-term Saddleback missionaries will fan out across the nation,
> armed with kits of instruction and resources called 'churchin a box' and
> 'school in a box' and 'clinic in a box' that will help them to rescue the
> country."
> "The New Testament says thechurchis the body of Christ, but for the last
> 100 years, the hands and feet have been amputated, and thechurchhas just been
> a mouth. And mostly, it's been known for what it's against," Warren told
> Paul Nussbaum of Knight Ridder News Service.
> "I'm so tired of Christians being known for what they're against."
> According to Nussbaum, "Warren is looking to the future by invoking the past.
> 'One of my goals is to take evangelicals back a century, to the 19th
> century. That was a time of muscular Christianity that cared about every aspect of
> life.'"
> Warren "is able to cast the Christian story so people can hear it in fresh
> ways," Donald E. Miller, director of the Center for Religion and Civic Culture
> at the University of Southern California, told Nussbaum.
> Besides being amongst the most influential evangelical leaders, Scott L.
> Thumma, a professor of the sociology of religion at Hartford Seminary and the
> author of a forthcoming book on mega-churches, told Nussbaum, "one of the
> interesting things is that he crosses boundaries...he's not just respected by the
> evangelical world but by many outside that world."
> Despite his conservative views -- he opposes abortion, same-sex marriage and
> supports the death penalty -- Warren claims that the religious right does not
> represent evangelicalism, and that he is not part of the religious right.
> With "his goatee, penchant for Hawaiian shirts and colloquial language, Warren
> embodies a laid-back approach to worship that resonates with Americans who
> have little allegiance to formal denominations or rituals," Nussbaum wrote.
> His 120-acre hilltop campus, with palm trees, waterfall and meandering brook,
> is a kind of religious theme park, where worshippers meet in different
> buildings to suit their musical preferences, while watching simultaneous video
> feeds of Warren preaching at the main worship center.
> Things have changed considerably for Warren since November 2002, when
> Christianity Today's Tim Stafford wrote "Warren doesn't appear on radio or TV. He
> rarely speaks outside hischurch, and avoids politics in both denomination and
> government."
> Charting the future
> In Key West, Florida in May 2005, Warren spoke to "some of the nation's
> leading journalists" at the Pew Forum on Religion & Public Life's biannual Faith
> Angle conference on religion, politics and public life, and appraised them
> "of four or fivetrendsor stories I think you need to be aware of that have
> come in on the scene."
> The first trend ... is the return of the evangelical movement to its
> 19th-century roots...What are those roots? Compassionate activism... Another trend
> that I see is this 40 days phenomenon -- this 40 Days of Purpose, which of
> course I'm right in the middle of. Ten percent of the churches in America have
> now done 40 Days of Purpose and that's just now. We will take another 10 to 15
> thousand through it this year, and on and on and on.
> The third trend I think you need to be aware of is the signs of the possible
> spiritual awakening in America...[which] will come through two words -- small
> groups.
> A fourth trend ... is the move -- the shift in power -- in evangelicalism
> from what's called para-churchorganizations to local churches.
> Another issue that I think you need to be aware of is what I call the three
> great questions of the next twenty years. And I think these are questions that
> we're going to be facing -- they're all religious issues -- and here is what
> I think they are.
> Number one, will Islam modernize peacefully?
> Number two, will America return to its religious roots and faith? Will
> America return to its religious roots and faith or will it go the way of Europe
> and basically reject its heritage?
> And number three, which is a really big one and of particular interest to me,
> what is going to replace the vacuum in China now that Marxism is dead?
> What's going to replace it? In all likelihood, it's going to be Christianity.
> Then the other story that I would encourage you to look at is this evolving
> alliance between evangelical Protestants and Catholics, particularly in the ev
> angelical wing of Catholicism.
> And then, there was the phone call from his friend, U2's Bono!
> In January of this year, Warren attended the World Economic Forum in Davos,
> Switzerland. He followed that with an appearance at the president's prayer
> breakfast in Washington, and that was "followed by an entertainment industry
> conference in Los Angeles."
> Last year, the sale of Bruce Springsteen's album "Devils & Dust" -- which
> describes an explicit encounter with a prostitute in the song 'Reno' -- was
> banned by Starbucks. This year, according to a Knight Ridder report, "Starbucks
> will print spiritual quotes from the Rev. Rick Warren, author of the
> best-selling "The Purpose-Driven Life," on coffee cups."
> ----
> * A mega-churchis defined by Rick Warren "achurchthat averages over 2,000
> inattendance.... not in members, but inattendanceon a weekly basis.... In
> 1963 ... only 93 churches in America had more than 1,000. Today, there are
> over 6,000 churches that run over 1,000 in America .... there are about 750
> churches that run over 2,000 -- so those are the real mega-churches, the 750
> over 2,000. There are about 20 churches in America that run over 10,000 inattendanceon a typical weekend. And there are three of us that run over 20,000.
> ** Warren defines an evangelical as someone who "believes the Bible is God's
> Word, Jesus is who he claimed to be, salvation is only by grace -- in other
> words, you can't earn your way to heaven -- and everybody needs to hear the
> good news; information, not coercion."
>
> **************Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL
> Home.
> (http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15&ncid=a...)
> _http://www.talk2action.org/story/2008/3/30/13024/4112_
> (http://www.talk2action.org/story/2008/3/30/13024/4112)
> Rick Warren And The New Evangelism: Won't Be Fooled Again?
>
> The purpose driven man and his 'PEACE' mission marches forward with a goatee
> and Hawaiian shirt
> Bill Berkowitz, Talk2Action, March 30, 2008
>
> In two recent Talk2Action posts, _Richard Bartholomew_
> (http://www.talk2action.org/story/2008/3/30/54825/1882) and _Fred Clarkson_
> (http://www.talk2action.org/story/2008/3/29/1509/49603) talk about Rick Warren, the popular and
> passionate pastor of SaddlebackChurch in Lake Forest, Calif., widely
> considered one of the more important mega-churches in the country.
> While Bartholomew cites a speech Warren gave in Uganda in which he basically
> claimed that homosexulaity is not a human right, Clarkson raised important
> questions about so-called moderate evangelicals in general and Warren in
> particular.
> In December 2006, Warren hosted both Sen. Barack Obama and Sen. Sam Brownback
> at his annual AIDS conference. "Right wing, left wing. I'm for the whole
> bird," said Warren.
> "You have to have two wings to fly. When I thought of all the men I knew in
> Congress and the Senate, and believe me there were more who wanted to come [to
> the conference], I thought of Sen. Obama and Sen. Brownback for three
> specific reasons," Warren said, citing "their integrity, their civility even when
> they disagree and their openness to learning and listening."
> Warren appears to be close with U2's Bono, eschews being labeled part of the
> Christian Right, and is seen by some as a man for all seasons; perhaps even
> the 21st century's Billy Graham.
> In March 2006, I wrote a lengthy piece about the Hawaiian short-wearing
> pastor who has sold millions of books and has grand plans for Africa.
> Meet Rick Warren, the most prominent face of the new evangelism
> You may have seen him interviewed on CNN's Larry King Show; some
> well-intentioned person may have given you "The Purpose Driven Life," the book that has
> sold well over 20 million copies; you may have noted that Time magazine named
> him one of "15 World Leaders Who Mattered Most in 2004," and in 2005 one of
> the "100 Most Influential People in the World."
> If you wonder whether he is "all that," consider this: In 1980 he founded
> SaddlebackChurchin Lake Forest, Calif., with one family and now, he is
> presiding over a congregation averaging between 22,000 and 25,000 weekly
> attendees*; he's built a 120-acre campus; and he has more than 300 community ministries
> to groups such as prisoners, CEOs, addicts, single parents, and people with
> HIV/AIDS.
> According to his website, "He also leads the Purpose Driven Network of
> churches, a global coalition of congregations in 162 countries. More than 400,000
> ministers and priests have been trained worldwide, and almost 157,000 church
> leaders subscribe to Ministry Toolbox, his weekly newsletter."
> He has spoken at the United Nations, the World Economic Forum in Davos, the
> African Union, the Council on Foreign Relations, Harvard's Kennedy School of
> Government, TIME's Global Health Summit, and numerous congresses around the
> world.
> Here is what a handful of mainstream publications are saying about him (these
> quotes are prominently displayed at his website):
> The Economist - "arguably the most influential pastor in America."
> The Times (London) - " Business and political leaders across America are
> turning to [him] for guidance."
> Forbes - "Were it a business, SaddlebackChurchwould be compared with Dell,
> Google or Starbucks."
> ABC News -- "The Purpose Driven Life is the epicenter of a spiritual
> shockwave taking root across America in unlikely places like offices and university
> campuses. It has become a movement."
> Paul Nussbaum of Knight-Ridder News Service, recently wrote that he was
> "perhaps the most influential evangelical** Christian in America."
> He is Rick Warren, the most prominent face of the new evangelism.
> Rising above the field
> In every generation, it seems as if at least one Christian preacher rises
> above the others and achieves special distinction. He -- and it's always a he --
> has a large and faithful following, receives ample attention from the media
> and often even earns the admiration of non-Christians.
> Who in this country hasn't heard of the Rev. Billy Graham? In a sea swarming
> with televangelist wannabes, prattling preachers, and made-for-media
> ministries, the Rev. Graham projected an honest persona. Over the course of several
> decades he became one of the most respected, recognized, and influential
> Christian leaders in the world. Not only did he fill stadiums for his crusades, he
> counseled a gaggle of presidents from Richard M. Nixon to Bill Clinton. And
> he has basked in the warm glow of a generally non-critical media.
> During the latter half of the twentieth century, the development and growth
> of the electronic media, combined with government tax and media policy,
> allowed all sorts of religious hucksters, entertainers, and pitch-men to occupy
> center stage for their 15 minutes -- and occasionally, quite a bit longer.
> Some of televangelism's earliest superstars disappeared from America's living
> rooms due to circumstances that they created.
> Despite the fact that the Rev. Jimmy Swaggart's huge and faithful following
> was stunned by revelations that he had an unquenchable thirst for, and
> curiosity about, the daily lives of prostitutes, they were nevertheless enthralled
> by his tear-filled televised confession.
> The Rev. Jim Bakker apparently became confused over which activities
> satisfied God and which ones satisfied his own financial and sexual desires. Bakker
> bilked his large television audience out of millions of dollars, was
> arrested, convicted, served time and only recently has resurfaced on the airwaves,
> albeit in a fairly limited venue.
> The Reverend Pat Robertson and the Rev. Jerry Falwell have successfully
> courted the media spotlight for several decades. While the Rev. Robertson's
> recent comments advocating the assassination of Hugo Chavez, Venezuela's
> democratically elected president, and his claims that the stroke suffered by Ariel
> Sharon, Israel's Prime Minister, was retribution by God, has made him a
> less-compelling figure for the mainstream media, the Rev. Falwell still manages to
> garner face-time on a fairly regular basis on cable television's 24/7 news
> networks.
> In the 21st century, while ministering to a well-attendedchurchis fine,
> running a mega-churchis better, and while having a religious radio program
> might get the word out, taking advantage of a multitude of media and speaking
> opportunities provides many more growth opportunities.
> Promoting the P.E.A.C.E. agenda
> Like many Christian evangelicals/missionaries before him, Rick Warren, the
> son of a Southern Baptist preacher, has a grand vision. However, unlike most
> of his predecessors, Warren has a robust array of skills and resources: He is
> smart, media savvy, has a well-honed business sense, is fully conscious of
> the power of the Internet, knows how to manage his message, and has an
> impressive cash flow -- according to Warren, much of the money generated by the sales
> of his books goes to his Acts of Mercy Foundation. Warren and his wife are
> also contribute to and are deeply involved in the worldwide fight against
> HIV/AIDS.
> Warren's agenda revolves around "attacking what he calls the five 'Global
> Goliaths': spiritual emptiness -- "[People] don't know God made them for a
> purpose"; egocentric leadership -- "The world is full of little Saddams. Most
> people cannot handle power. It goes to their heads"; extreme poverty -- "Half
> the world lives on less than $2 per day"; pandemic disease -- "We have billions
> of people dying from preventable disease. That's unconscionable"; and
> illiteracy/poor education -- "Half the world is functionally illiterate."
> "His goal is a second Reformation by restoring responsibility in people,
> credibility in churches, and civility in culture."
> To attack these evils, he has developed what he has called a PEACE agenda:
>
> * Plant new churches, or partner with existing ones.
> * Equip leaders.
> * Assist the poor.
> * Care for the sick.
> * Educate the next generation.
>
> In a recent New York Times Magazine story on the latest efforts of American
> evangelicals to convert Africans to Christianity, Daniel Bergner writes that
> Warren declared Rwanda the world's "first purpose-driven nation." According to
> Bergner, "The country would be a test target for his global plan to
> eradicate spiritual deprivation along with physical poverty and disease and
> illiteracy. 'God gets the most glory when you tackle the biggest giants,' he told
> Christianity Today magazine."
> According to Bergner, last summer Warren "sent an advance team of about 50
> American evangelicals to meet with Rwandan leaders, and soon, he envisions,
> hundreds of short-term Saddleback missionaries will fan out across the nation,
> armed with kits of instruction and resources called 'churchin a box' and
> 'school in a box' and 'clinic in a box' that will help them to rescue the
> country."
> "The New Testament says thechurchis the body of Christ, but for the last
> 100 years, the hands and feet have been amputated, and thechurchhas just been
> a mouth. And mostly, it's been known for what it's against," Warren told
> Paul Nussbaum of Knight Ridder News Service.
> "I'm so tired of Christians being known for what they're against."
> According to Nussbaum, "Warren is looking to the future by invoking the past.
> 'One of my goals is to take evangelicals back a century, to the 19th
> century. That was a time of muscular Christianity that cared about every aspect of
> life.'"
> Warren "is able to cast the Christian story so people can hear it in fresh
> ways," Donald E. Miller, director of the Center for Religion and Civic Culture
> at the University of Southern California, told Nussbaum.
> Besides being amongst the most influential evangelical leaders, Scott L.
> Thumma, a professor of the sociology of religion at Hartford Seminary and the
> author of a forthcoming book on mega-churches, told Nussbaum, "one of the
> interesting things is that he crosses boundaries...he's not just respected by the
> evangelical world but by many outside that world."
> Despite his conservative views -- he opposes abortion, same-sex marriage and
> supports the death penalty -- Warren claims that the religious right does not
> represent evangelicalism, and that he is not part of the religious right.
> With "his goatee, penchant for Hawaiian shirts and colloquial language, Warren
> embodies a laid-back approach to worship that resonates with Americans who
> have little allegiance to formal denominations or rituals," Nussbaum wrote.
> His 120-acre hilltop campus, with palm trees, waterfall and meandering brook,
> is a kind of religious theme park, where worshippers meet in different
> buildings to suit their musical preferences, while watching simultaneous video
> feeds of Warren preaching at the main worship center.
> Things have changed considerably for Warren since November 2002, when
> Christianity Today's Tim Stafford wrote "Warren doesn't appear on radio or TV. He
> rarely speaks outside hischurch, and avoids politics in both denomination and
> government."
> Charting the future
> In Key West, Florida in May 2005, Warren spoke to "some of the nation's
> leading journalists" at the Pew Forum on Religion & Public Life's biannual Faith
> Angle conference on religion, politics and public life, and appraised them
> "of four or fivetrendsor stories I think you need to be aware of that have
> come in on the scene."
> The first trend ... is the return of the evangelical movement to its
> 19th-century roots...What are those roots? Compassionate activism... Another trend
> that I see is this 40 days phenomenon -- this 40 Days of Purpose, which of
> course I'm right in the middle of. Ten percent of the churches in America have
> now done 40 Days of Purpose and that's just now. We will take another 10 to 15
> thousand through it this year, and on and on and on.
> The third trend I think you need to be aware of is the signs of the possible
> spiritual awakening in America...[which] will come through two words -- small
> groups.
> A fourth trend ... is the move -- the shift in power -- in evangelicalism
> from what's called para-churchorganizations to local churches.
> Another issue that I think you need to be aware of is what I call the three
> great questions of the next twenty years. And I think these are questions that
> we're going to be facing -- they're all religious issues -- and here is what
> I think they are.
> Number one, will Islam modernize peacefully?
> Number two, will America return to its religious roots and faith? Will
> America return to its religious roots and faith or will it go the way of Europe
> and basically reject its heritage?
> And number three, which is a really big one and of particular interest to me,
> what is going to replace the vacuum in China now that Marxism is dead?
> What's going to replace it? In all likelihood, it's going to be Christianity.
> Then the other story that I would encourage you to look at is this evolving
> alliance between evangelical Protestants and Catholics, particularly in the ev
> angelical wing of Catholicism.
> And then, there was the phone call from his friend, U2's Bono!
> In January of this year, Warren attended the World Economic Forum in Davos,
> Switzerland. He followed that with an appearance at the president's prayer
> breakfast in Washington, and that was "followed by an entertainment industry
> conference in Los Angeles."
> Last year, the sale of Bruce Springsteen's album "Devils & Dust" -- which
> describes an explicit encounter with a prostitute in the song 'Reno' -- was
> banned by Starbucks. This year, according to a Knight Ridder report, "Starbucks
> will print spiritual quotes from the Rev. Rick Warren, author of the
> best-selling "The Purpose-Driven Life," on coffee cups."
> ----
> * A mega-churchis defined by Rick Warren "achurchthat averages over 2,000
> inattendance.... not in members, but inattendanceon a weekly basis.... In
> 1963 ... only 93 churches in America had more than 1,000. Today, there are
> over 6,000 churches that run over 1,000 in America .... there are about 750
> churches that run over 2,000 -- so those are the real mega-churches, the 750
> over 2,000. There are about 20 churches in America that run over 10,000 inattendanceon a typical weekend. And there are three of us that run over 20,000.
> ** Warren defines an evangelical as someone who "believes the Bible is God's
> Word, Jesus is who he claimed to be, salvation is only by grace -- in other
> words, you can't earn your way to heaven -- and everybody needs to hear the
> good news; information, not coercion."
>
> **************Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL
> Home.
> (http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15&ncid=a...)
Personally, I did not care for his book THE PURPOSE DRIVEN LIFE. My
church chose to study this book as a whole. (I attend a mega-church...
which has since become one of those "elite 20s") I once had a purpose
and a place of service. Thanks to Mr. Warren and his teachings, my
ministry was shut down --- and closed permanantly. I would like to
ask Mr. Warren if he can show me in scripture where Jesus told anyone
"Go away, you are not needed or wanted anymore." You see, the body
and how it fits together is a basic principle designed by God. It is
not a method or a style. Please tell me how the head can say to the
foot or even the little toe, "you are not needed."
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