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Casey Marshall

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May 22, 2000, 3:00:00 AM5/22/00
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In article <bibble-2105...@client640.sedona.net>,
bib...@bobble.wibble (Captain Busternaut) wrote:

> > > > > Never use your main e-mail when you surf the newsgroups: You might get
> > > spammed.
> > > > > I receive at least 10 unsollicited e-mails a day do you?
> > > > >
> > > > > To address this issue, You might want to check this out:
> > > > >
> > > > > http://clicks.firstname.com/showfree.hmx?siteid=641041676&BAN=1
> > > > >
> > > > > Sincerely,
> > > > >
> > > > > James
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > Yes, ladies and gentlemen, we have reached the age when people spam
> > > > anti-spam messages to people.
> > > >
> > > > Welcome to post-post-modernism.
> > >
> > > Oh, just wait...
> > >
> > > Coming Soon....
> > >
> > >
> > > "DO YOU HATE ALL THOSE ANNOYING 'DO YOU HATE SPAM? GO HERE!' ADS??? THEN
> > > GO HERE!"
> >
> > Then...
> >
> > "If you're like me, and you hate those ads that say: 'Do you hate ads that
> > say: "Do you hate spam?"', then why don't you visit this site..."
> >
> > This is, of course, because post-post-modernism is also
> > post-post-post-modernism, which is post-post-post-post-modernism, & c.
>
> So how does one break such a chain...?

One does not, because the breaking of said chain would require the
knowledge of the chain, and thus, discourse about said chain (vis-a-vis
the "breaking" of it [and that given an action of "breaking" (w/r/t the
chain) requires knowledge and discourse about the action (breaking)]) must
exist in order for the chain to be broken. Given that said chain is
referential to itself, it cannot, per se, be "broken" (v/a/v the
"stopping" of the "perpetuation" of the chain[1]), as the act of breaking
requires reference to itself (i.e. the chain) and thus "breaking" the
chain will in fact be perpetuating the chain. Even the stopping of
referring to the chain (or making the chain stop referring to itself)
(w/r/t attempting to "break" the chain) will perpetuate the chain, because
it is clear that stopping the referencing to the chain will imply the
existence of said chain, and thus through the act of not referring to the
chain the chain refers to the chain.

Then again, since the chain is defined in such a way[2] that not referring
to the chain is referring to the chain[3], it seems to imply[4] that the
chain is both everything and nothing[5] and thus cannot exist in our
reality.

The question, then, becomes whether or not the chain in fact exists or
whether it is a complete fabrication, and then whether or not the fact
that it (i.e. the chain) does not exist and is a fabrication implies the
existence of the chain. Further questions then ask whether or not the
existence or nonexistence of the chain[6] can be proved or disproved by
rational discussion.

Whether or not the existence/nonexistence of the chain can be proved or
not will determine whether discourse about the chain can even exist. It
could be possible that, for example, USENET posts about said chain which
include a lot of double talk and footnotes, cannot provide discourse about
said chain v/a/v the provability of the chain's existence or lack thereof.

Given that such USENET postings will begin to refer to themselves, it then
becomes a whole new can of worms[7] as to whether or not such
self-referentiality would then imply the existence (and therefore possible
nonexistence) of said chain.

-- notes --

[1] Which also implies that the chain proceeds in a linear{a} fashion, so
the breaking of the chain is the stopping of the perpetuation of the
chain (w/r/t the normal{b} direction of the chain) or rather, the
changing of its (= chain) direction which then only modifies rather
than stops the chain.

{a} Or in the very least, deterministic, if not exactly linear.

{b} Given that some definition of "normal" exists, it then becomes a
question of whether or not "breaking" the "chain" is simply
"changing" the "direction" of the "chain", or if it involves a
redefinition of quote-unquote normal.

[2] V/a/v the reference to itself.

[3] And still, there is no solid definition of "referencing" w/r/t the chain,
as that giving the chain the power to reference things (i.e. itself)
the chain must be made a "subject" thusly capable of perfoming such
actions in a metalingusitic fashion.

[4] Or, at least, it would be strong evidence in support of such a theory.

[5] Stringent to the definitions of such words{1}.

{a} A/w/a the definitions of "word" and "definition."

[6] And what those states ([non]existence) imply about the chain's existence.

[7] Not to mention that we need to consider what such sayings (e.g. argot)
actually say, that is, whether or not it is "metaphorical" or if such
sayings can even be metaphorical, and what a non-metaphorical meaning
of such a saying would signify.

--
Casey Marshall || rsdio 'at' cats.ucsc.edu
"Always diaper your eggplant's face." -- Kibo

The Ham Sap Gwailo

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May 22, 2000, 3:00:00 AM5/22/00
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Captain Busternaut wrote:
>
> In article <rsdio-22050...@p-d0058.resnet.ucsc.edu>,
> I hereby nominate this post to win some kind of award for something.
>

Well, if he had managed to get one footnote reference in a later footnote to an
earlier footnote, he could have won "Usenet Doofus of the Year"

---
The Ham Sap Gwailo
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"No sects please, we're Chinese" - Jiang Zemin

Wench Lisa

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May 22, 2000, 3:00:00 AM5/22/00
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"Captain Busternaut" <bib...@bobble.wibble> wrote in message
news:bibble-2105...@client640.sedona.net...
> In article <rsdio-21050...@p-d0402.resnet.ucsc.edu>,
> rs...@cats.ucsc.edu (Casey Marshall) wrote:
>
> > In article <bibble-2105...@client1095.sedona.net>,

> > bib...@bobble.wibble (Captain Busternaut) wrote:
> >
> > > > > Never use your main e-mail when you surf the newsgroups: You might
get
> > > spammed.
> > > > > I receive at least 10 unsollicited e-mails a day do you?
> > > > >
> > > > > To address this issue, You might want to check this out:
> > > > >
> > > > > http://clicks.firstname.com/showfree.hmx?siteid=641041676&BAN=1
> > > > >
> > > > > Sincerely,
> > > > >
> > > > > James
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > Yes, ladies and gentlemen, we have reached the age when people spam
> > > > anti-spam messages to people.
> > > >
> > > > Welcome to post-post-modernism.
> > >
> > > Oh, just wait...
> > >
> > > Coming Soon....
> > >
> > >
> > > "DO YOU HATE ALL THOSE ANNOYING 'DO YOU HATE SPAM? GO HERE!' ADS???
THEN
> > > GO HERE!"
> >
> > Then...
> >
> > "If you're like me, and you hate those ads that say: 'Do you hate ads
that
> > say: "Do you hate spam?"', then why don't you visit this site..."
> >
> > This is, of course, because post-post-modernism is also
> > post-post-post-modernism, which is post-post-post-post-modernism, & c.
>
> So how does one break such a chain...?

Chain saw.

Lisa
rrrRRRRrrrrRRR

Wench Lisa

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May 22, 2000, 3:00:00 AM5/22/00
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"Captain Busternaut" <bib...@bobble.wibble> wrote in message
news:bibble-2205...@client574.sedona.net...
> In article <rsdio-22050...@p-d0058.resnet.ucsc.edu>,
> rs...@cats.ucsc.edu (Casey Marshall) wrote:
>
> > In article <bibble-2105...@client640.sedona.net>,

The "Post Too Fluckin' Long to Read" award mayhaps?

Lisa
What the hell is an "argot" anyway?

Casey Marshall

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May 22, 2000, 3:00:00 AM5/22/00
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In article <8gbcgu$lpd$1...@slb6.atl.mindspring.net>, "Wench Lisa"
<Wenc...@yahoo.com> wrote:

I would have thought length was one of its minor transgressions...

> Lisa
> What the hell is an "argot" anyway?

"A specialized idiomatic vocabulary peculiar to a particular class or
group of people, devised for private communication and identification."

Meant in the above sense as sayings having meaning to only subgroups of
culture, in this case probably most of the English-speaking world. And
maybe parts of Europe.

Casey Marshall

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May 22, 2000, 3:00:00 AM5/22/00
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(Q.v. note 5 supra)

Silver Were

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May 22, 2000, 3:00:00 AM5/22/00
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I remember you; we rode the little bus to skoool togethwer.
Silvah

Silver Were

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May 22, 2000, 3:00:00 AM5/22/00
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Wench Lisa wrote:
>
> "Captain Busternaut" <bib...@bobble.wibble> wrote in message
> news:bibble-2105...@client640.sedona.net...
> > In article <rsdio-21050...@p-d0402.resnet.ucsc.edu>,
> > rs...@cats.ucsc.edu (Casey Marshall) wrote:
> >
> > > In article <bibble-2105...@client1095.sedona.net>,

> > > bib...@bobble.wibble (Captain Busternaut) wrote:
> > >
> > > > > > Never use your main e-mail when you surf the newsgroups: You might
> get
> > > > spammed.
> > > > > > I receive at least 10 unsollicited e-mails a day do you?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > To address this issue, You might want to check this out:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > http://clicks.firstname.com/showfree.hmx?siteid=641041676&BAN=1
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Sincerely,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > James
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Yes, ladies and gentlemen, we have reached the age when people spam
> > > > > anti-spam messages to people.
> > > > >
> > > > > Welcome to post-post-modernism.
> > > >
> > > > Oh, just wait...
> > > >
> > > > Coming Soon....
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > "DO YOU HATE ALL THOSE ANNOYING 'DO YOU HATE SPAM? GO HERE!' ADS???
> THEN
> > > > GO HERE!"
> > >
> > > Then...
> > >
> > > "If you're like me, and you hate those ads that say: 'Do you hate ads
> that
> > > say: "Do you hate spam?"', then why don't you visit this site..."
> > >
> > > This is, of course, because post-post-modernism is also
> > > post-post-post-modernism, which is post-post-post-post-modernism, & c.
> >
> > So how does one break such a chain...?
>
> Chain saw.
>
Chain heard.
Silvah
> Lisa
> rrrRRRRrrrrRRR

Wench Lisa

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May 22, 2000, 3:00:00 AM5/22/00
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"Casey Marshall"

*SNIP, SLASH, HACK, <BONFIRE>, STEAMROLLER*

> > > I hereby nominate this post to win some kind of award for something.
> >
> > The "Post Too Fluckin' Long to Read" award mayhaps?
> >
>
> I would have thought length was one of its minor transgressions...
>
> > Lisa
> > What the hell is an "argot" anyway?
>
> "A specialized idiomatic vocabulary peculiar to a particular class or
> group of people, devised for private communication and identification."
>
> Meant in the above sense as sayings having meaning to only subgroups of
> culture, in this case probably most of the English-speaking world. And
> maybe parts of Europe.

Thank you for that explanation, which was similar to the original post in
its clarity.

Lisa
Clear as mud in fact.


Casey Marshall

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May 22, 2000, 3:00:00 AM5/22/00
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No way, man.

I didn't take the bus to school; I drove a Male Teenager's Hotrod.

Casey Marshall

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May 22, 2000, 3:00:00 AM5/22/00
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In article <8gcff4$bg4$1...@slb0.atl.mindspring.net>, "Wench Lisa"
<Wenc...@yahoo.com> wrote:

> Thank you for that explanation, which was similar to the original post in
> its clarity.
>

Because: college = enhancement of obfuscation abilities.

(Bonus Points: Did I limn a relation in the above reply?)

Acme World Domination Force

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On Mon, 22 May 2000 21:23:01 +0800, The Ham Sap Gwailo
<soh...@hotmail.com> Said something like:

Don't tempt him like that!


--
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The Ham Sap Gwailo

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well he reckons the footnote reference in [5] to [1] qualifies, but it doesn't
make sense to me. I think he's cheating.

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The Ham Sap Gwailo
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Book titles The Ham Sap Gwailo would like to see (7) -

"Piracy as a Good Business Practice" -Bill Gates

Wench Lisa

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May 23, 2000, 3:00:00 AM5/23/00
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"Casey Marshall"

> > > Meant in the above sense as sayings having meaning to only subgroups
of
> > > culture, in this case probably most of the English-speaking world. And
> > > maybe parts of Europe.
> >

> > Thank you for that explanation, which was similar to the original post
in
> > its clarity.
> >
>
> Because: college = enhancement of obfuscation abilities.
>
> (Bonus Points: Did I limn a relation in the above reply?)

I wouldn't know, I never went to college.

Lisa
Actually I did once.
But that was on a date.


Casey Marshall

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May 23, 2000, 3:00:00 AM5/23/00
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In article <MPG.13944e192...@news.demon.co.uk>,
ne...@ahab.REM0VEMEdemon.co.uk (-AD-) wrote:

> > > I remember you; we rode the little bus to skoool togethwer.
> > > Silvah
> >
> > No way, man.
> >
> > I didn't take the bus to school; I drove a Male Teenager's Hotrod.
>

> Did it cast a Mighty Shadow??..

Well, no, not really. It was pretty low to the ground and all.

But it was wide...

--
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Eat more noodles.

MrWhizzr

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May 23, 2000, 3:00:00 AM5/23/00
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"Wench Lisa" wrote
> "Casey Marshall"

> > > > Meant in the above sense as sayings having meaning to only subgroups
> > > > of culture, in this case probably most of the English-speaking
world. And
> > > > maybe parts of Europe.
> > >
> > > Thank you for that explanation, which was similar to the original post
> > > in its clarity.
> > >
> > Because: college = enhancement of obfuscation abilities.
> >
> > (Bonus Points: Did I limn a relation in the above reply?)
>
> I wouldn't know, I never went to college.
>
> Lisa
> Actually I did once.
> But that was on a date.
>
When did you ever date a college guy?

Whizzr John - oh wait...I remember now

Silver Were

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Casey Marshall wrote:
>
> In article <MPG.13944e192...@news.demon.co.uk>,
> ne...@ahab.REM0VEMEdemon.co.uk (-AD-) wrote:
>
> > > > I remember you; we rode the little bus to skoool togethwer.
> > > > Silvah
> > >
> > > No way, man.
> > >
> > > I didn't take the bus to school; I drove a Male Teenager's Hotrod.
> >
> > Did it cast a Mighty Shadow??..
>
> Well, no, not really. It was pretty low to the ground and all.
>
> But it was wide...
>
Whi aer yuo talken abuot yuor momma thet wae?

Silvah

BeH

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On Mon, 22 May 2000 17:11:08 -0600, Silver Were wrote:

>Wench Lisa wrote:
>>
>> "Captain Busternaut" <bib...@bobble.wibble> wrote in message
>> news:bibble-2105...@client640.sedona.net...

>> > In article <rsdio-21050...@p-d0402.resnet.ucsc.edu>,
>> > rs...@cats.ucsc.edu (Casey Marshall) wrote:
>> >
>> > > In article <bibble-2105...@client1095.sedona.net>,


>> > > bib...@bobble.wibble (Captain Busternaut) wrote:
>> > >
>> > > > > > Never use your main e-mail when you surf the newsgroups: You might
>> get
>> > > > spammed.
>> > > > > > I receive at least 10 unsollicited e-mails a day do you?
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > To address this issue, You might want to check this out:
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > http://clicks.firstname.com/showfree.hmx?siteid=641041676&BAN=1
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > Sincerely,
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > James
>> > > > > >
>> > > > >
>> > > > > Yes, ladies and gentlemen, we have reached the age when people spam
>> > > > > anti-spam messages to people.
>> > > > >
>> > > > > Welcome to post-post-modernism.
>> > > >
>> > > > Oh, just wait...
>> > > >
>> > > > Coming Soon....
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > > "DO YOU HATE ALL THOSE ANNOYING 'DO YOU HATE SPAM? GO HERE!' ADS???
>> THEN
>> > > > GO HERE!"
>> > >
>> > > Then...
>> > >
>> > > "If you're like me, and you hate those ads that say: 'Do you hate ads
>> that
>> > > say: "Do you hate spam?"', then why don't you visit this site..."
>> > >
>> > > This is, of course, because post-post-modernism is also
>> > > post-post-post-modernism, which is post-post-post-post-modernism, & c.
>> >
>> > So how does one break such a chain...?
>>

>> Chain saw.
>>
>Chain heard.

Chain herd. Is that like a gang of convicted cows?

BeH

Zenwolf

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Honest cows are the soft easy cushions on which knaves repose and
fatten.
Zw

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