rage
Dragon
Dragon
On Thu, 26 Aug 1999, polly wog wrote:
> you know I am chock full of rage
>
>
> polly wog
>
>
>
> and the greatest of these is love
>
>
Saabirah
Dragon wrote in message ...
>Why, Polly?
>
>Dragon
>
>On Thu, 26 Aug 1999, polly wog wrote:
>
>> you know I am chock full of rage
Polly, I think I'm going to become the "Collage Queen"....
Last night I made 2 collages.... one is about things that make me angry and the
other is ways in which I'd like to respond to rage..... not particularly things
that I'd ever do...
When I look at the pictures there.... My God! It felt as though my heart was
going to burst... But, today it feels better and a lot of that rage is outside
of me and onto the collages on my wall.
I don't know if you've ever tried it.... Maybe it doesn't work for you...but, if
you haven't tried I think it's worth it.... Some of the images there didn't
make any sense when I was cutting them out of the magazines.... they make a hell
of a lot of sense.... or, some of them are beginning to make sense and it's a
relief...
Hope...Patience...Gratitude,
Saabirah
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Not everything that is faced can be changed
But, nothing can be changed until it is faced.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
polly wog
I get so tired of hearing me say that.
For the last couple of years even the slightest hint of someone
abusing me sends me into a rage at the person, then into a rage at
myself for behaving inappropriately.
polly wog
Dragon <sken...@sunflowr.usd.edu> wrote:
>Why, Polly?
>
>Dragon
>
>
>
>On Thu, 26 Aug 1999, polly wog wrote:
>
>> you know I am chock full of rage
>>
>>
polly wog
Yes this kind of stuff use to help me. Well, it's more like I use to
use this kind of thing to help me deal. I have just built myself a
studio for me to do my work. I haven't done my art in years now. But
guess what?! I have been avoiding the room.
"Saabirah" <saab...@stargate.net> wrote:
>Hi Dragon, Polly,
>
>Dragon wrote in message ...
>>Why, Polly?
>>
>>Dragon
>>
>>On Thu, 26 Aug 1999, polly wog wrote:
>>
>>> you know I am chock full of rage
>
>Polly, I think I'm going to become the "Collage Queen"....
>
>Last night I made 2 collages.... one is about things that make me angry and the
>other is ways in which I'd like to respond to rage..... not particularly things
>that I'd ever do...
>
>When I look at the pictures there.... My God! It felt as though my heart was
>going to burst... But, today it feels better and a lot of that rage is outside
>of me and onto the collages on my wall.
>
>I don't know if you've ever tried it.... Maybe it doesn't work for you...but, if
>you haven't tried I think it's worth it.... Some of the images there didn't
>make any sense when I was cutting them out of the magazines.... they make a hell
>of a lot of sense.... or, some of them are beginning to make sense and it's a
>relief...
>
>Hope...Patience...Gratitude,
>
>Saabirah
>
>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>Not everything that is faced can be changed
>But, nothing can be changed until it is faced.
>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>>
>>>
polly wog
Saabirah, I seem to be having a very long dry stretch in regards to my
art work.
I believe my fear is that I'm not really an artist. Fear that I only
fooled people before or people were being nice. Yet, intellectually I
think poppycock (not cocksmoker but poppycock). People aren't gonna
pay $800 for a painting just cause they want to be nice. I mean, get
real. But......... still........ there it is. This voice telling me
that I am not any good. I am a charity case to those who purchase my
work.
poly wog
"Saabirah" <saab...@stargate.net> wrote:
>Ho polly wog,
>
>polly wog wrote in message <37c71a49....@news.mindspring.com>...
>>Hi Saabirah,
>>
>>Yes this kind of stuff use to help me. Well, it's more like I use to
>>use this kind of thing to help me deal. I have just built myself a
>>studio for me to do my work. I haven't done my art in years now. But
>>guess what?! I have been avoiding the room.
>
>You said that it "used to" help you.... How come you don't think it would help
>now?
>
>Maybe you are avoiding the room because you know the emotions that your art can
>bring to the surface? I know about that!
>
>Remember how sick I got this afternoon? That rage came out last night in the
>rage collages.... I think that what happened this afternoon helped me to "throw
>out" some of the ill effects of the bottled up rage.... But, I don't know....
Saabirah
Saabirah
polly wog wrote in message <37c72530....@news.mindspring.com>...
>Hey,
>
>Saabirah, I seem to be having a very long dry stretch in regards to my
>art work.
Well... I know about dry stretches when it comes to writing.....
>I believe my fear is that I'm not really an artist.
My goodness! How in the world do you define "artist"?? Are you using someone
else's definition or criticism? Goodness! Do you think that Picasso should
have feared not being an artist?
>Fear that I only fooled people before or people were being nice.
I know how that is.... When people are nice or appreciate something we do... we
figure it is just because they are being "nice"..... God forbid we should ever
think that we actually deserve to be recognized! <g> Polly.... how could you
ever fool people into thinking you are an artist? Do they have eyes? Are they
capable of making judgements based upon what they see?? Of course they do!! I
think we just got to let people be who they are and let us be us.....
>Yet, intellectually I
>think poppycock (not cocksmoker but poppycock). People aren't gonna
>pay $800 for a painting just cause they want to be nice. I mean, get
>real.
Polly.... I know how you feel. Right now I cannot trust my feelings/reaction.
I've got to rely upon rational, intellectual thought based upon *facts*. The
*fact* of the matter is that when someone pays $800 for a painting then the one
who produced that painting *is* an artist.... even if only to that person who
paid the $800.
>But......... still........ there it is. This voice telling me
>that I am not any good. I am a charity case to those who purchase my
>work.
Voices suck. Those lousey, mean voices. They are memories of things that were
said to us. The voices are NOT facts. Go with the facts.....
(((((((((((((((((((((poly wog)))))))))))))))))))))
Hope...Patience...Gratitude,
Saabirah
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Not everything that is faced can be changed
But, nothing can be changed until it is faced.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
>poly wog
>
>"Saabirah" <saab...@stargate.net> wrote:
>
polly wog
polly wog
"Saabirah" <saab...@stargate.net> wrote:
>Hi polly wog,
>
>polly wog wrote in message <37c72530....@news.mindspring.com>...
>>Hey,
>>
.>>Saabirah, I seem to be having a very long dry stretch in regards to
my
>>art work.
>
>Well... I know about dry stretches when it comes to writing.....
>
>>I believe my fear is that I'm not really an artist.
>
>My goodness! How in the world do you define "artist"?? Are you using someone
>else's definition or criticism? Goodness! Do you think that Picasso should
>have feared not being an artist?
.>
>>Fear that I only fooled people before or people were being nice.
>
>I know how that is.... When people are nice or appreciate something we do... we
>figure it is just because they are being "nice"..... God forbid we should ever
>think that we actually deserve to be recognized! <g> Polly.... how could you
>ever fool people into thinking you are an artist? Do they have eyes? Are they
>capable of making judgements based upon what they see?? Of course they do!! I
>think we just got to let people be who they are and let us be us.....
>
>>Yet, intellectually I
.>>think poppycock (not cocksmoker but poppycock). People aren't
gonna
>>pay $800 for a painting just cause they want to be nice. I mean, get
>>real.
>
>Polly.... I know how you feel. Right now I cannot trust my feelings/reaction.
>I've got to rely upon rational, intellectual thought based upon *facts*. The
>*fact* of the matter is that when someone pays $800 for a painting then the one
>who produced that painting *is* an artist.... even if only to that person who
>paid the $800.
>
.>>But......... still........ there it is. This voice telling me
>>that I am not any good. I am a charity case to those who purchase my
>>work.
>
>Voices suck. Those lousey, mean voices. They are memories of things that were
>said to us. The voices are NOT facts. Go with the facts.....
>
>(((((((((((((((((((((poly wog)))))))))))))))))))))
>
>Hope...Patience...Gratitude,
.>
>Saabirah
>
>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>Not everything that is faced can be changed
>But, nothing can be changed until it is faced.
>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>
>>poly wog
>>
.>>"Saabirah" <saab...@stargate.net> wrote:
>>
>>>Ho polly wog,
>>>
>>>polly wog wrote in message <37c71a49....@news.mindspring.com>...
>>>>Hi Saabirah,
>>>>
>>>>Yes this kind of stuff use to help me. Well, it's more like I use to
>>>>use this kind of thing to help me deal. I have just built myself a
>>>>studio for me to do my work. I haven't done my art in years now. But
.>>>>guess what?! I have been avoiding the room.
>>>
>>>You said that it "used to" help you.... How come you don't think it would help
>>>now?
>>>
>>>Maybe you are avoiding the room because you know the emotions that your art
>can
>>>bring to the surface? I know about that!
>>>
.>>>Remember how sick I got this afternoon? That rage came out last
night in the
>>>rage collages.... I think that what happened this afternoon helped me to
>"throw
>>>out" some of the ill effects of the bottled up rage.... But, I don't know....
>>>
>>>Hope...Patience...Gratitude,
>>>
>>>Saabirah
...>>>
>>>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>>Not everything that is faced can be changed
>>>But, nothing can be changed until it is faced.
>>>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>"Saabirah" <saab...@stargate.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>Hi Dragon, Polly,
>.......>>>>
>>>>>Dragon wrote in message ...
>>>>>>Why, Polly?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Dragon
>>>>>>
>>>>>>On Thu, 26 Aug 1999, polly wog wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> you know I am chock full of rage
>>>>>
>>>>>Polly, I think I'm going to become the "Collage Queen"....
>>>>.........>
>>>>>Last night I made 2 collages.... one is about things that make me angry and
>>>the
>>>>>other is ways in which I'd like to respond to rage..... not particularly
>>>things
>>>>>that I'd ever do...
>>>>>
>>>>>When I look at the pictures there.... My God! It felt as though my heart
>was
>>>>>going to burst... But, today it feels better and a lot of that rage is
>>>outside
>>>>>of me and onto the collages on my wall.
>>>>>
>>>>.........>I don't know if you've ever tried it.... Maybe it doesn't work for
>you...but,
>>>if
>>>>>you haven't tried I think it's worth it.... Some of the images there didn't
>>>>>make any sense when I was cutting them out of the magazines.... they make a
>>>hell
>>>>>of a lot of sense.... or, some of them are beginning to make sense and it's
>a
>>>>>relief...
>>>>>
>>>>>Hope...Patience...Gratitude,
>>>>>
>>>>>Saabirah
>>>>>
>>>>>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>>>>Not everything that is faced can be changed
>>>>>But, nothing can be changed until it is faced.
>>........>>>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> polly wog
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> and the greatest of these is love
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>................
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>and the greatest of these is love
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>........
>>
>>and the greatest of these is love
>
>
...
polly wog
I have begun to wonder if we, rather I, can ever really shut thise
voices up. Seems to take so very long & be such a struggle.
I felt cared about when I read your post.
I enjoy the knowledege that there are others who walk w/ me. I hope I
have been able to walk w/ others too.
polly wog
dragon <dra...@asarian-host.org> wrote:
>polly wog <wo...@mindspring.com> wrote:
>
>
>>Why? Well, hell I guess cause of my past. Isnt that the pat answer.
>>I get so tired of hearing me say that.
>>
>>For the last couple of years even the slightest hint of someone
>>abusing me sends me into a rage at the person, then into a rage at
>>myself for behaving inappropriately.
>
>
>This is being triggered by the thing with the biker, right? I don't
>think you behaved inappropriately at all. Considering your
>past, I thought you did very well. But those old voices are
>speaking again, aren't they? Telling you how bad you are,
>how you're worth nothing, and on and on....
>
>They are wrong, Polly. You've proven them wrong time and time
>again. You *are* somebody, and you *are* worth something,
>a lot more than those voices ever could be. You are *not* bad,
>you're a good person, struggling with life, and you have every
>right to be safe and not be abused.
>
>I'll say it again and again, if you want me to, until we drown out
>those voices together.
>
>Dragon
>>
>>
>>polly wog
>>
>>
>>Dragon <sken...@sunflowr.usd.edu> wrote:
>>
>>>Why, Polly?
>>>
>>>Dragon
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>On Thu, 26 Aug 1999, polly wog wrote:
>>>
>>>> you know I am chock full of rage
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> polly wog
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> and the greatest of these is love
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>and the greatest of these is love
>
>
>
>
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Saabirah
polly wog wrote in message <37c972ec....@news.mindspring.com>...
>Preciate what you've said here Saabirah
Well polly woggles.... I only said what I believe to be true.... and I think
that you *know* your own truth too.....
Now, I wish that I could believe in me as much as I believe in you. :-(
Hope...Patience...Gratitude,
Saabirah
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Not everything that is faced can be changed
But, nothing can be changed until it is faced.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>>>>>>Why, Polly?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Dragon
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>On Thu, 26 Aug 1999, polly wog wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> you know I am chock full of rage
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> polly wog
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> and the greatest of these is love
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>................
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>and the greatest of these is love
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>........
>>>
>>>and the greatest of these is love
>>
>>
>...
Saabirah
polly wog wrote in message <37c97442....@news.mindspring.com>...
>Hey Dragon,
>
>
>I have begun to wonder if we, rather I, can ever really shut thise
>voices up. Seems to take so very long & be such a struggle.
Yeah... I wonder too. Ya know what's helped me a little? Put the voices on
paper.... Draw the emotions that you feel when you hear the voices.... or, like
I do, I just flip through magazines and find pictures that stir up the "voices"
and I arrange them on a huge mat.... That way the voices seem to come out....
they are there on the paper.... instead of inside of us where they can whisper
stupid things......
Hope...Patience...Gratitude,
Saabirah
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Not everything that is faced can be changed
But, nothing can be changed until it is faced.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
>>>>Why, Polly?
>>>>
>>>>Dragon
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>On Thu, 26 Aug 1999, polly wog wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> you know I am chock full of rage
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> polly wog
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> and the greatest of these is love
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>and the greatest of these is love
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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