Update on me
Liz
Man, I miss the fighting here. I'm saying that outright - I miss the
intensity of experience this place offered. The fighting, the anger,
the deepest bestest friendships and deepest, worstest enemies. I keep
opening the ng hoping to see something, but it just isn't here. I
hate that.
I'm assuming everyone is off having 'real' lives. This is mine right
now: The kids are doing better. Sarah was dx'd with Juvenile Fibro,
but I'm not sure they didn;t use that just for insurance. In any
case, her pain seems to be getting better and more manageable. Some
days, she has no headaches at all. She's just finishing her first
semester at college.
Jenny - remember my first time in chat? Saying I was freaked out
because I had just grabbed my child's face and shrieked at her in
anger? I can't believe how far we have come from that moment. This
kid's bravery is awesome. She's taking acting classes and the nursing
program pre reqs and is going to look for an agent soon. She
regularly holds a job and they love her there. Believe it or not,
she's almost old enough to drink.
Kevin is doing fantastic. Discovering my son was autistic is another
of the things that happened to me while I was here. Since then, he
has become a social butterfly and just brought home all As on his
report card - even geometry, which I can't get at all! He has
incredible empathy and a generous heart and I adore him.
Lyle and I are doing good. We struggle with money on and off, but not
too bad. The bills get paid. I started selling the jewelry I make
and have made a little over six hundred dollars in the last three
months. The first time I went to a show to do that, i was terrified.
I thought no one was going to want any and I would go home, the only
person there not to sell anything, and be a big, fat, loser failure in
front of my family. But it hasn't worked that way. I'm surprised and
grateful. I also just made a hundred bucks designing a set of
business cards for a friend.
That's something else new. Being social. I go to parties. I go to
teas. I don't say no, anymore. I tought it out and I always have a
good time.
I'm still bi polar. I still have anxiety attacks. I am in pain most
of the time from an auto accident a few months back. AND my fucking
legs twitch all the goddamn time from RLS and the medication which
stops it makes me nearly narcoleptic. If I relax or get quiet for a
few minutes at a time, I fall asleep. Lot of med tweaking. We came
pretty close this past season to not making ends meet . . .
. . .and still, there is an awful lot more that is good than bad. I
don;t know if it was always like that and I couldn't see it, or if it
is just recently like that, but there it is. It's been a very long
time since I was suicidal.
Alan B. Mac Farlane
my day keeps getting happier and happier.
I have stoped fighting as well, figured out the healthy dad and healthy mom
stuff inside with my Emotional Intelligence.
That part inside that you have 'hate' or disappointment, or loss ... is the
part that needs love to be poured into your wounds that you did not get that
love from your parent objects.
Much like when my Dad yelled at me 2 years ago on a hospital visit to
Arizona, and that stuck a deep stab of fear into my chest ... that took me
10 minutes to fill up with the love, diginity and respect from me to me,
since he was unable to do that with his own PTSD issues and frozen emotion
prevented him for that.
Only my Dad could show me that deep fear that is not deep love, cause I
changed the emotional bathwater and used that opportunity for my recovery,
as all opportunities are that way ... if one wants to use em that way.
all my love, always Liz ...
PS ... do consider getting traditional 5 element accupuncture in your
medical bag of tricks you are doing to get better. It is the sick pricks
that are such a problem in life and living ... so getting as many healthy
pricks in you is the antidote for such things.
IMO and all that rot.
:)
in article qluml3h9u9gkbv6f6...@4ax.com, Liz at
garba...@socal.rr.com wrote on 12/8/07 9:31 PM:
Alan B. Mac Farlane
ktly...@sbcglobal.net wrote on 12/17/07 10:05 AM:
>> Man, I miss the fighting here. I'm saying that outright - I miss the
>> intensity of experience this place offered. The fighting, the anger,
>> the deepest bestest friendships and deepest, worstest enemies. I keep
>> opening the ng hoping to see something, but it just isn't here. I
>> hate that.
>
> You are a BITCH! There did that help?
oohhhhh the good old days ... :(
Alan B. Mac Farlane
ktly...@sbcglobal.net wrote on 12/17/07 10:16 AM:
> I guess I'll follow Liz and Lindsey's suit and let you all know how
> I'm doing.
>
> Things are going well for me really. I'm happier than I've even been
> in my life.
>
> My father died two years ago in Nov, and now that he's dead I'm really
> dealing with things. Believe it or not I really miss him. I've been
> in contact with some sisters and speak to them on an almost daily
> basis, which is wonderful. They are teaching me to remember the good
> times we had and to let go of the bad times. It's been a very healing
> time for me. Something I could not have done two years ago.
>
> My kids are doing great. My son got married last year and got a step
> daugher from that marriage. So now I have 8 grandkids. The new grand
> kid is 9 and fits into our family wonderfully.
>
> My daugher is getting married in May (on my birthday no less) and I
> can't wait. She will be graduating from College in June of 08 and I'm
> very proud of her for that.
>
> All the grand kids are doing well and I love having them all close
> enough to me to spoil them as much as I can.
>
> For the first time in a decade I have a Christmas Tree up and I'm so
> happy I did that, so it's so beautiful and makes this apartment
> cheerful. Most of the ornaments on it I made myself and I'm really
> proud of how it looks.
>
> I want to wish all of you a Merry Christmas or Yule and to thank
> everyone for their help in the past dozen years.
>
> Hugs to all
> Kaitlyn
Hugs back Dearest of Kaitlyn's ... tis a wonderfull thing you do darling.
Kaitlyn
LOL I was joking Alan. Liz and I have no problems between us
anymore. I think we have both out grown all of that. Of course we
are not and never will be BFF, but we leave each other alone and don't
wish and harm to the other.
Kaitlyn
Baba Yaga
>I guess I'll follow Liz and Lindsey's suit and let you all know how
>I'm doing.
>
>Things are going well for me really. I'm happier than I've even been
>in my life.
>
>My father died two years ago in Nov, and now that he's dead I'm really
>dealing with things. Believe it or not I really miss him. I've been
>in contact with some sisters and speak to them on an almost daily
>basis, which is wonderful. They are teaching me to remember the good
>times we had and to let go of the bad times. It's been a very healing
>time for me. Something I could not have done two years ago.
Woinderful. 8-)
>My kids are doing great. My son got married last year and got a step
>daugher from that marriage. So now I have 8 grandkids. The new grand
>kid is 9 and fits into our family wonderfully.
>
>My daugher is getting married in May (on my birthday no less) and I
>can't wait. She will be graduating from College in June of 08 and I'm
>very proud of her for that.
>
>All the grand kids are doing well and I love having them all close
>enough to me to spoil them as much as I can.
>
>For the first time in a decade I have a Christmas Tree up and I'm so
>happy I did that, so it's so beautiful and makes this apartment
>cheerful. Most of the ornaments on it I made myself and I'm really
>proud of how it looks.
Go you!
>I want to wish all of you a Merry Christmas or Yule and to thank
>everyone for their help in the past dozen years.
Same to you, and the rest of the a.a.r. 'family'.
Baba Yaga
--
To learn which questions are unanswerable, and /not to answer them/:
this skill is most needful in times of stress and darkness.
- Ursula LeGuin
Baba Yaga
>Hi all,
>
>Man, I miss the fighting here. I'm saying that outright - I miss the
>intensity of experience this place offered. The fighting, the anger,
Understood.
I miss aspects: I miss the connection, I miss the interaction and the
companionship and the humour and the sense of community (I recently
heard somewhere the observation that people only start to talk about
community when it's gone, and ain't I just demonstrating the truth in
that!), but I don't miss the sickness of connection, if you know what
I mean. Not just the fighting, some of that reopresented growth, but
the extremes of everything. That intensity - yes, it was an important
and possibly necessary staging point, but it could morph into sickness
very readily.
>the deepest bestest friendships and deepest, worstest enemies. I keep
>opening the ng hoping to see something, but it just isn't here. I
>hate that.
Yes. It seems we all (well, except Alan!) got scared of our own
shadows, or something, and stopped really being here, or being willing
to connect, even on the more wholesome level which had begun to
evolve.
>I'm assuming everyone is off having 'real' lives. This is mine right
Well, kind of.
About to be off to Paris in the morning. Got a guide book yesterday,
and suddenly it's become real.
>now: The kids are doing better. Sarah was dx'd with Juvenile Fibro,
>but I'm not sure they didn;t use that just for insurance. In any
>case, her pain seems to be getting better and more manageable. Some
>days, she has no headaches at all. She's just finishing her first
Oh, hooray!
>semester at college.
>
>Jenny - remember my first time in chat? Saying I was freaked out
>because I had just grabbed my child's face and shrieked at her in
>anger? I can't believe how far we have come from that moment. This
>kid's bravery is awesome. She's taking acting classes and the nursing
>program pre reqs and is going to look for an agent soon. She
>regularly holds a job and they love her there. Believe it or not,
Brilliant!
>she's almost old enough to drink.
>
>Kevin is doing fantastic. Discovering my son was autistic is another
>of the things that happened to me while I was here. Since then, he
>has become a social butterfly and just brought home all As on his
>report card - even geometry, which I can't get at all! He has
>incredible empathy and a generous heart and I adore him.
8-)
>Lyle and I are doing good. We struggle with money on and off, but not
>too bad. The bills get paid. I started selling the jewelry I make
>and have made a little over six hundred dollars in the last three
>months. The first time I went to a show to do that, i was terrified.
>I thought no one was going to want any and I would go home, the only
>person there not to sell anything, and be a big, fat, loser failure in
>front of my family. But it hasn't worked that way. I'm surprised and
>grateful. I also just made a hundred bucks designing a set of
>business cards for a friend.
>
>That's something else new. Being social. I go to parties. I go to
>teas. I don't say no, anymore. I tought it out and I always have a
>good time.
That's growth!
I can't say always - sometimes it works well, sometimes I really
haven't what it takes and find myself in performing seal mode, which
is hideous, and sometimes I haven't what it takes and can't even
access performing seal mode, which is worse!
>I'm still bi polar. I still have anxiety attacks. I am in pain most
>of the time from an auto accident a few months back. AND my fucking
You didn't tell me this! I knew about the accident, but not the pain.
>legs twitch all the goddamn time from RLS and the medication which
>stops it makes me nearly narcoleptic. If I relax or get quiet for a
>few minutes at a time, I fall asleep. Lot of med tweaking. We came
>pretty close this past season to not making ends meet . . .
>
> . . .and still, there is an awful lot more that is good than bad. I
>don;t know if it was always like that and I couldn't see it, or if it
>is just recently like that, but there it is. It's been a very long
>time since I was suicidal.
That's a good thing.
More good than bad? I dunno. Not that I evaluatre as obsessively as
I once did - easier to take things as they hit me, I mean, as they
come. ;-) The PTSD monster has roared pretty loudly this past year.
And I'm still too much on the periphery of my own life... But things
*are going in the right direction again, at last.
And my neighbour's nieces and nephew (two, and lately discovered
sliding down the banisters!) brighten any week.
Alan B. Mac Farlane
ktly...@sbcglobal.net wrote on 12/19/07 12:09 PM:
i know i was joking 2 darling ...
except the part of me trying to get shagged.
have to pimp myself out it seems.
:)
Shelayla
I haven't been around for years myself. I don't know that I miss the
fighting but I appreciate it for the outcome. I think I grew up here.
I've poked my head in for a post or 2 over the years but didn't stick
around. I still think about this place and all the drama. It was a
battleground of sorts. One big dysfunctional family. Lots of love mixed
in with the hurt. I had people be "mean" to me and I've said some mean
things myself. Wonder if anyone will drift back? Hope all is well with
ya Liz and I am sorry for anything mean I said/did to you. I was messed
up to say the least. Much love, lady.
I go by "bluhevenly" now wherever I go on the net. It feels weird to use
that nickname again,but I figured I should stick with Shelayla here so
that people from way back when would recognize me if they slipped in
here.
-Shelayla
Liz <garba...@socal.rr.com> wrote in
news:qluml3h9u9gkbv6f6...@4ax.com:
Shelayla
knew you though, of that I am certain. It is good to come back here. I know
now that it was a large part of my recovery. I was very different person 12
+ years ago. I am thankful even to those I had "flamewars" with. Ya know
what I mean?
-Shelayla
Kaitlyn <ktly...@sbcglobal.net> wrote in
news:kmedm3lroseoco6vq...@4ax.com:
Shelayla
familiar names here.
-Shelayla
"Alan B. Mac Farlane" <al...@sonic.net> wrote in
news:C38161A8.46346%al...@sonic.net:
Shelayla
-Shelayla
Baba Yaga <spam...@phonecoop.coop> wrote in
news:0p4jm3ta9uok1ejuk...@4ax.com:
Alan B. Mac Farlane
see you again darling. You ever in Northern California ... let me buy you
lunch. Alan
in article Xns9A126A5FCC5Ab...@209.210.176.62, Shelayla at
bluhe...@nospamjuno.com wrote on 12/25/07 10:38 PM:
azure
news:kmedm3lroseoco6vq...@4ax.com...
>I guess I'll follow Liz and Lindsey's suit and let you all know how
> I'm doing.
>
> Things are going well for me really. I'm happier than I've even been
> in my life.
>
> dealing with things. Believe it or not I really miss him. I've been
> in contact with some sisters and speak to them on an almost daily
> basis, which is wonderful.
oh, that sounds great.
> They are teaching me to remember the good
> times we had and to let go of the bad times. It's been a very healing
> time for me. Something I could not have done two years ago.
>
> My kids are doing great. My son got married last year and got a step
> daugher from that marriage. So now I have 8 grandkids. The new grand
> kid is 9 and fits into our family wonderfully.
oh, wow!
aren't grandkids wonderful? i'm crazy over my two.
> My daugher is getting married in May (on my birthday no less) and I
> can't wait. She will be graduating from College in June of 08 and I'm
> very proud of her for that.
the one i did the glamour shots retouching for? awesome!
> All the grand kids are doing well and I love having them all close
> enough to me to spoil them as much as I can.
>
> For the first time in a decade I have a Christmas Tree up and I'm so
> happy I did that, so it's so beautiful and makes this apartment
> cheerful. Most of the ornaments on it I made myself and I'm really
> proud of how it looks.
>
> I want to wish all of you a Merry Christmas or Yule and to thank
> everyone for their help in the past dozen years.
>
> Hugs to all
> Kaitlyn
it's good to hear from you, Kait.
azure
azure
news:lp4jm3t1bajkc111m...@4ax.com...
> Liz <garba...@socal.rr.com> wrote, in alt.abuse.recovery:
>
>>Hi all,
>>
>>Man, I miss the fighting here. I'm saying that outright - I miss the
>>intensity of experience this place offered. The fighting, the anger,
>
> Understood.
Yes. That intensity was something else.
> I miss aspects: I miss the connection, I miss the interaction
> and the companionship and the humour and the sense of
> community
yes ... very much so
> but I don't miss the sickness of connection, if you know what
> I mean. Not just the fighting, some of that reopresented growth,
> but the extremes of everything. That intensity - yes, it was an
> important and possibly necessary staging point, but it could
> morph into sickness very readily.
I feel like this place gave me the adolescence I was never free to have in
RL. During those years I was frozen in a fearblock of ice.
>>the deepest bestest friendships and deepest, worstest enemies.
>>I keep opening the ng hoping to see something, but it just isn't
>>here. I hate that.
>
> Yes. It seems we all (well, except Alan!) got scared of our own
> shadows, or something, and stopped really being here, or being
> willing to connect, even on the more wholesome level which had
> begun to evolve.
i mourn the loss of this community. as a 'daily' place of interaction. I
sometimes feel like those of us who remain are like the astronauts in that
Ray Bradbury short story, talking after the ship has blown up, and knowing
they are hurtling in separate directions and with limited communication
time.
>>I'm assuming everyone is off having 'real' lives. This is mine right
>
> Well, kind of.
>
> About to be off to Paris in the morning. Got a guide book yesterday,
> and suddenly it's become real.
>
>>now: The kids are doing better. Sarah was dx'd with Juvenile Fibro,
>>but I'm not sure they didn;t use that just for insurance. In any
>>case, her pain seems to be getting better and more manageable. Some
>>days, she has no headaches at all.
I'm so glad, Liz.
>>Jenny - remember my first time in chat? Saying I was freaked out
>>because I had just grabbed my child's face and shrieked at her in
>>anger? I can't believe how far we have come from that moment. This
>>kid's bravery is awesome. She's taking acting classes and the nursing
>>program pre reqs and is going to look for an agent soon. She
>>regularly holds a job and they love her there. Believe it or not,
>
> Brilliant!
>
>>she's almost old enough to drink.
>>
>>Kevin is doing fantastic. Discovering my son was autistic is another
>>of the things that happened to me while I was here. Since then, he
>>has become a social butterfly and just brought home all As on his
>>report card - even geometry, which I can't get at all! He has
>>incredible empathy and a generous heart and I adore him.
kewl.
>>Lyle and I are doing good. We struggle with money on and off, but not
>>too bad. The bills get paid. I started selling the jewelry I make
!!!
>>and have made a little over six hundred dollars in the last three
>>months. The first time I went to a show to do that, i was terrified.
and yet you did it. i am impressed.
>>I thought no one was going to want any and I would go home, the only
>>person there not to sell anything, and be a big, fat, loser failure in
>>front of my family. But it hasn't worked that way. I'm surprised and
>>grateful. I also just made a hundred bucks designing a set of
>>business cards for a friend.
>>
>>That's something else new. Being social. I go to parties. I go to
>>teas. I don't say no, anymore. I tought it out and I always have a
>>good time.
that is excellent.
> That's growth!
>
> I can't say always - sometimes it works well, sometimes I really
> haven't what it takes and find myself in performing seal mode, which
> is hideous, and sometimes I haven't what it takes and can't even
> access performing seal mode, which is worse!
you think so, Baba, but i bet it's not really as obvious as you think.
There is a term in Recovery, Inc. called "wearing the mask." I know that
term sounds very negative. It is more about boundaries, and the fact that
our faces don't have to be open windows on our thoughts, and that we often
don't give ourselves credit for how well we hold our act together..
>
>>I'm still bi polar. I still have anxiety attacks. I am in pain most
>>of the time from an auto accident a few months back.
???!!!
>> . . .and still, there is an awful lot more that is good than bad. I
>>don;t know if it was always like that and I couldn't see it, or if it
>>is just recently like that, but there it is. It's been a very long
>>time since I was suicidal.
this is so kewl, Liz.
> That's a good thing.
>
> More good than bad? I dunno. Not that I evaluatre as obsessively as
> I once did - easier to take things as they hit me, I mean, as they
> come. ;-) The PTSD monster has roared pretty loudly this past year.
> And I'm still too much on the periphery of my own life... But things
> *are going in the right direction again, at last.
Baba, you have always been so awesome.
> And my neighbour's nieces and nephew (two, and lately discovered
> sliding down the banisters!) brighten any week.
I'm glad you have the pleasure and joy of that.
azure
astri
> "Baba Yaga" <spam...@phonecoop.coop> wrote in message
> news:lp4jm3t1bajkc111m...@4ax.com...
>> Liz <garba...@socal.rr.com> wrote, in alt.abuse.recovery:
>>
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> Man, I miss the fighting here. I'm saying that outright - I miss
>>> the intensity of experience this place offered. The fighting, the
>>> anger,
>>
>> Understood.
>
> Yes. That intensity was something else.
(still lurk)
needed that intensity for a bit. like community, but the animosity got
old quickly.
>> I miss aspects: I miss the connection, I miss the interaction
>> and the companionship and the humour and the sense of
>> community
>
> yes ... very much so
>
>> but I don't miss the sickness of connection, if you know what
>> I mean. Not just the fighting, some of that reopresented growth,
>> but the extremes of everything. That intensity - yes, it was an
>> important and possibly necessary staging point, but it could
>> morph into sickness very readily.
>
> I feel like this place gave me the adolescence I was never free to
> have in RL. During those years I was frozen in a fearblock of ice.
interesting way to put it.
>>> the deepest bestest friendships and deepest, worstest enemies.
>>> I keep opening the ng hoping to see something, but it just isn't
>>> here. I hate that.
>>
>> Yes. It seems we all (well, except Alan!) got scared of our own
>> shadows, or something, and stopped really being here, or being
>> willing to connect, even on the more wholesome level which had
>> begun to evolve.
>
> i mourn the loss of this community. as a 'daily' place of
> interaction.
usenet has seemed to be dying for years. hope it never really dies,
but that's prolly a vain hope.
> I sometimes feel like those of us who remain are like
> the astronauts in that Ray Bradbury short story, talking after the
> ship has blown up, and knowing they are hurtling in separate
> directions and with limited communication time.
hush
but there's an internal cost, of course.
>>> I'm still bi polar. I still have anxiety attacks. I am in pain
>>> most of the time from an auto accident a few months back.
>
> ???!!!
>
>>> . . .and still, there is an awful lot more that is good than bad. I
>>> don;t know if it was always like that and I couldn't see it, or if
>>> it is just recently like that, but there it is. It's been a very
>>> long time since I was suicidal.
>
> this is so kewl, Liz.
>
>> That's a good thing.
>>
>> More good than bad? I dunno. Not that I evaluatre as obsessively
>> as I once did - easier to take things as they hit me, I mean, as
>> they come. ;-) The PTSD monster has roared pretty loudly this past
>> year. And I'm still too much on the periphery of my own life... But
>> things *are going in the right direction again, at last.
>
> Baba, you have always been so awesome.
agree
>> And my neighbour's nieces and nephew (two, and lately discovered
>> sliding down the banisters!) brighten any week.
>
> I'm glad you have the pleasure and joy of that.
-- astri
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> On Thu, 27 Dec 2007, azure wrote:
>>> Liz <garba...@socal.rr.com> wrote:
>>>> Man, I miss the fighting here. I'm saying that outright - I miss the
>>>> intensity of experience this place offered. The fighting, the anger,
>>>
>>> Understood.
>>
>> Yes. That intensity was something else.
>
> (still lurk)
>
> needed that intensity for a bit. like community, but the animosity got
> old quickly.
good people left because of this. it's part of what i regret the most.
>>> [...] sometimes I really haven't what it takes and find myself in
>>> performing seal mode, which is hideous, and sometimes I haven't what it
>>> takes and can't even access performing seal mode, which is worse!
>>
>> you think so, Baba, but i bet it's not really as obvious as you think.
>> There is a term in Recovery, Inc. called "wearing the mask." I know that
>> term sounds very negative. It is more about boundaries, and the fact
>> that our faces don't have to be open windows on our thoughts, and that we
>> often don't give ourselves credit for how well we hold our act together..
>
> but there's an internal cost, of course.
Yes. which is why it is important to have a place where one does not have
to wear any kind of mask. but not being able to don one is another thing
entirely. it's like not having skin. any type of wood slivers and bacteria
can invade at will.
i think the important thing is to have it within one's control how much of a
mask one believes it is appropriate and safe to wear.
azure
jeeco
I haven't looked in on the group for a long time. Most of the time it
is a list of rants by folks that I don't know and seemingly related to
politics of one type or another, mostly another.
I'm not sure that many remember me, it has been a couple of years
since I was "active" here. A lot has happened and a lot stays the
same. Well, not really. My world has been pretty much turned upside
down and I think we landed right side up for a change.
Marie and I have moved to the great white north, got a suv with four
studded snow tires, drive 12 miles one way to get to a grocery store,
fifty miles to a shopping mall. We are living in our 1840's farm
house with three acres of lawn and woods and loving it.
As it is winter and I'm not working at selling hot dogs from my cart,
too damned cold and I refuse to shovel the snow so the few diehards
can get their hot dog fix, I'm playing house husband, working on
putting some photos together for publication, putting in a new
bathroom, starting the outline of a book I've been bugged to write.
Right now, I've got to get dinner ready for us and pack the car. We
are off to see the kids in CT for New Years. So.... I wish everyone
peace, happiness, health and prosperity in the new year.
I'll look back again next week and try and say individual hellos and
catch up a bit.
Best.
Jim Erskine
aka jeeco
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> news:Pine.BSI.4.64.07...@malasada.lava.net...
>> On Thu, 27 Dec 2007, azure wrote:
>>> "Baba Yaga" <spam...@phonecoop.coop> wrote:
>>>> Liz <garba...@socal.rr.com> wrote:
>>>>> Man, I miss the fighting here. I'm saying that outright - I miss
>>>>> the intensity of experience this place offered. The fighting,
>>>>> the anger,
>>>>
>>>> Understood.
>>>
>>> Yes. That intensity was something else.
>>
>> (still lurk)
>>
>> needed that intensity for a bit. like community, but the animosity
>> got old quickly.
>
> good people left because of this. it's part of what i regret the
> most.
people get to make choices. this place provided a forum for specific
needs. not entirely healthy, of course.
it's interesting that that stuff wasn't entirely self-perpetuating,
actually.
>>>> [...] sometimes I really haven't what it takes and find myself in
>>>> performing seal mode, which is hideous, and sometimes I haven't
>>>> what it takes and can't even access performing seal mode, which is
>>>> worse!
>>>
>>> you think so, Baba, but i bet it's not really as obvious as you
>>> think. There is a term in Recovery, Inc. called "wearing the mask."
>>> I know that term sounds very negative. It is more about
>>> boundaries, and the fact that our faces don't have to be open
>>> windows on our thoughts, and that we often don't give ourselves
>>> credit for how well we hold our act together..
>>
>> but there's an internal cost, of course.
>
> Yes. which is why it is important to have a place where one does not
> have to wear any kind of mask. but not being able to don one is
> another thing entirely. it's like not having skin. any type of wood
> slivers and bacteria can invade at will.
true
> i think the important thing is to have it within one's control how
> much of a mask one believes it is appropriate and safe to wear.
that's a good goal, at least.
Shelayla
-Shelayla
jeeco <je...@asarian-host.net> wrote in
news:540104496e10274cc...@asarian-host.net:
Alan B. Mac Farlane
He is up in the Norski lands ... have a beer and pound cake don'tcha knooww.
welcomeee guy ... happy prosperious healthy new year backatcha !!!
sumbuddie duex amor mon ami jeeco
in article 540104496e10274cc...@asarian-host.net, jeeco at
je...@asarian-host.net wrote on 12/27/07 2:23 PM:
Alan B. Mac Farlane
do talk, do trust, do think, do feel,
do be, do be, do be doooooo ...
aim for those high apple pie in the sky hopes ...
it works if you work it.
:)
in article Pine.BSI.4.64.07...@malasada.lava.net, astri at
inv...@example.com wrote on 12/27/07 3:04 PM:
Wolf
Hi Liz, all; been a while. Major life changes here, more below - been a
while since I've read AAR; been thinking of you and many others, hoping
you are all doing OK.
Liz wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> Man, I miss the fighting here.
Heh, OK; "put'em up, put'em up..." (now where'd I put all those feather
pillows?)
> I'm saying that outright - I miss the
> intensity of experience this place offered. The fighting, the anger,
> the deepest bestest friendships and deepest, worstest enemies. I keep
> opening the ng hoping to see something, but it just isn't here. I
> hate that.
The intensity, yes; the fighting, no.
> > I'm assuming everyone is off having 'real' lives.
Most likely... true for Mou and I since 2001, fwiw.
> This is mine right
> now: The kids are doing better. Sarah was dx'd with Juvenile Fibro,
Damn :( Hopefully there is more that can be done now for Fibro than 10
years ago.
> but I'm not sure they didn;t use that just for insurance. In any
> case, her pain seems to be getting better and more manageable. Some
> days, she has no headaches at all. She's just finishing her first
> semester at college.
I sincerely hope medsci can help you both keep it in remission.
College... heh, the years go by too damned fast... congratulations to
you both.
> Jenny - remember my first time in chat? Saying I was freaked out
> because I had just grabbed my child's face and shrieked at her in
> anger? I can't believe how far we have come from that moment. This
> kid's bravery is awesome. She's taking acting classes and the nursing
> program pre reqs and is going to look for an agent soon. She
> regularly holds a job and they love her there. Believe it or not,
> she's almost old enough to drink.
We've all come far - and gone far too. Your ability and willingness
that night to talk about that stress and how it affected you and your
daughter was and still is deeply impressive - growth and healing in
action - which undoubtedly has much to do with her bravery, and yours.
Is her nursing program a fall-back position?
> Kevin is doing fantastic. Discovering my son was autistic is another
> of the things that happened to me while I was here. Since then, he
> has become a social butterfly and just brought home all As on his
> report card - even geometry, which I can't get at all! He has
> incredible empathy and a generous heart and I adore him.
Way way cool :)
> Lyle and I are doing good. We struggle with money on and off, but not
> too bad. The bills get paid. I started selling the jewelry I make
> and have made a little over six hundred dollars in the last three
> months. The first time I went to a show to do that, i was terrified.
> I thought no one was going to want any and I would go home, the only
> person there not to sell anything, and be a big, fat, loser failure in
> front of my family. But it hasn't worked that way. I'm surprised and
> grateful. I also just made a hundred bucks designing a set of
> business cards for a friend.
"The best revenge is living well" - nodding re the self-doubt (those
tapes are hard to erase, eh?); resonating too with the surprise and
gratitude that the self-doubt wasn't true.
What kind of jewelry? Cool too re the business cards :)
> That's something else new. Being social. I go to parties. I go to
> teas. I don't say no, anymore. I tought it out and I always have a
> good time.
Good for you - me, still as much a recluse as ever. A handful of folks
I visit regularly, one of Martha/Mou's groups I participate in - any
more than that, and I've have no time for my wood working hobby.
> I'm still bi polar. I still have anxiety attacks. I am in pain most
> of the time from an auto accident a few months back.
You're aware of it, thus dealing; cool. Sorry you were in an accident,
and hoping the aftermath is not permanent.
> AND my fucking
> legs twitch all the goddamn time from RLS and the medication which
> stops it makes me nearly narcoleptic. If I relax or get quiet for a
> few minutes at a time, I fall asleep. Lot of med tweaking. We came
> pretty close this past season to not making ends meet . . .
That's got to be rough on all fronts :(
> . . .and still, there is an awful lot more that is good than bad. I
> don;t know if it was always like that and I couldn't see it, or if it
> is just recently like that, but there it is. It's been a very long
> time since I was suicidal.
I'm glad there is more good than bad in your life now, Liz. You've a
lot to be proud of in your family and yourself. Good going :)
Me; getting ready to move to the Pacific NorthWet. Not enough insurance
to cover the mortgage here, so - moving time. Found a place to rent up
in Hillsboro. Figure I might be able to retire in about 5 years. Job
has gotten far more demanding (60-70 hour work weeks), leaving very
little time for much of anything else. Leastways up in Hillsboro I
won't have to travel 3-4 hours to find clear and unpolluted waters for
fishing.
Wolf
Wolf
Good to see your name here too, Shelayla.
Wolf
Wolf
Hi Lindsey;
snowdrop wrote:
> X-No-Archive: Yes
>
> Hi Liz, really good to see that things are going better for you, yes I still
> pop in from time to time, hoping to see some familiar name or two, but apart
> from Alan there don't seem to be many people around that I remember.
There's a few, not many, true. Same dosage of spammers as usual though :P
> This year has been a real bummer in one way or another for me, my daughter
> has failed her driving test 3 times,
Oy... how many chances does she get?
> I have had to have a hysterectomy after
> being diagnosed with Cancer, but I now have the all clear.
Holy smokes... glad you beat it!
> I have lost just
> over 30 pounds in weight (needed too), so the pain in my back and legs from
> Fibro is a little better controlled and I am getting more active as the pain
> gets more under control.
Good... what kinds of treatments, therapy, and meds are used for Fibro?
> My grand-son who has ADHD was 14 this year, and he has turned into a really
> charming/helpful young man (at least to me),
The doc who diagnosed Shane (my son) as ADHD was adamant that ADHD is
not a fault, but an advantage: Something along the lines that one with
ADHD "gets it" in class (and life) far faster than the average person -
and as a result, gets absolutely bored waiting for the rest of the class
(or group or whatever) to "get it" - and being bored, finds other things
to do, which the authorities only see as disruptive. Shane's 32 now,
and doing very well - journeyman plumber/pipe fitter/welder, and loving
it; he and his wife Lisa (Lboyko on asar/aar to those who might
remember) bought a house four years ago about 40 miles from here.
> my 12 year old grand-daughter
> is as sweet as ever, but she is growing into a young lady too. I take time
> to smell the roses, enjoy friends, family and hobbies, take in nature and
> enjoy the trees and sunsets. Because when all is said and done we are only
> on this earth for a short time, and it doesn't last forever, so enjoy it
> while we can. I'm looking forward to a holiday in Canada next spring to see
> my elderly aunts, and another in the autumn to Scotland. As for here, yes I
> still think and deal with abuse issues from time to time, but I have found
> more important things to occupy my time, like living - especially after this
> September and the big C.
Nodding, and good. The big C sure rearranges priorities, eh?
> Have a Happy Christmas and take time to smell the roses you might not get
> another chance!
Agreed.
Wolf
Wolf
Hey, Kaitlyn :)
Kaitlyn wrote:
> I guess I'll follow Liz and Lindsey's suit and let you all know how
> I'm doing.
>
> Things are going well for me really. I'm happier than I've even been
> in my life.
Good :)
> My father died two years ago in Nov, and now that he's dead I'm really
> dealing with things. Believe it or not I really miss him. I've been
> in contact with some sisters and speak to them on an almost daily
> basis, which is wonderful. They are teaching me to remember the good
> times we had and to let go of the bad times. It's been a very healing
> time for me. Something I could not have done two years ago.
Very good! Mou's sister and father have been in almost daily contact
with me for the last two years, and similar things are happening with
them as well.
> My kids are doing great. My son got married last year and got a step
> daugher from that marriage. So now I have 8 grandkids. The new grand
> kid is 9 and fits into our family wonderfully.
Congratulations to all of you!
There goes your December budget, btw ;)
> My daugher is getting married in May (on my birthday no less) and I
> can't wait. She will be graduating from College in June of 08 and I'm
> very proud of her for that.
Soft wow - that's one damned fine birthday present :)
> All the grand kids are doing well and I love having them all close
> enough to me to spoil them as much as I can.
But of course! That's what grannies are for :)
> For the first time in a decade I have a Christmas Tree up and I'm so
> happy I did that, so it's so beautiful and makes this apartment
> cheerful. Most of the ornaments on it I made myself and I'm really
> proud of how it looks.
Way cool :) STella and I went to Shane's home for our Christmas;
staying here just - well, going to Shane and Lisa's was a good thing.
> I want to wish all of you a Merry Christmas or Yule and to thank
> everyone for their help in the past dozen years.
Agreed.
Wolf
Wolf
Good to see you're still hanging in :)
Wolf
Wolf
Hope life is treating you well;
Wolf
Wolf
Hi Astri;
Good seeing your name as well - guess not all of the old timers have
disappeared ;)
Hoping life is treating you well;
Wolf
Wolf
Alan B. Mac Farlane wrote:
> I keep getting healthier Liz ... keep crying out the bitter salty tears as
> my day keeps getting happier and happier.
Nodding...
> I have stoped fighting as well, figured out the healthy dad and healthy mom
> stuff inside with my Emotional Intelligence.
Good; still working on that a little bit here, life itself has taken
precedence for me.
> That part inside that you have 'hate' or disappointment, or loss ... is the
> part that needs love to be poured into your wounds that you did not get that
> love from your parent objects.
Ayup - Mou and I gave that to each other, and didn't realize it until
nearly too late - but at least we did, and were able to cherish and
enjoy that discovery and its results before the end.
> Much like when my Dad yelled at me 2 years ago on a hospital visit to
> Arizona, and that stuck a deep stab of fear into my chest ... that took me
> 10 minutes to fill up with the love, diginity and respect from me to me,
> since he was unable to do that with his own PTSD issues and frozen emotion
> prevented him for that.
only 10 minutes? I am impressed, Alan... good work, sire, on taking
care of yourself!
> Only my Dad could show me that deep fear that is not deep love, cause I
> changed the emotional bathwater and used that opportunity for my recovery,
> as all opportunities are that way ... if one wants to use em that way.
Astute.
Wolf
Wolf
Talking about old timers... ;)
Hi Jeeco; good to see a post from you :)
jeeco wrote:
> Liz and all those I remember,
>
> I haven't looked in on the group for a long time. Most of the time it
> is a list of rants by folks that I don't know and seemingly related to
> politics of one type or another, mostly another.
Heh... I've not looked in for ages; and the current list of posts is
incredibly civil and caring... guess I didn't miss anything, eh?
> I'm not sure that many remember me, it has been a couple of years
This old codger will never forget you, Jeeco...
> since I was "active" here. A lot has happened and a lot stays the
> same. Well, not really. My world has been pretty much turned upside
> down and I think we landed right side up for a change.
"Keep the shiny side up and the dirty side down" as my trucker dad used
to say. Hoping you have indeed landed right side up; last I heard your
son(?) was having major problems at the same time you were having
business problems?
> Marie and I have moved to the great white north, got a suv with four
> studded snow tires, drive 12 miles one way to get to a grocery store,
> fifty miles to a shopping mall. We are living in our 1840's farm
> house with three acres of lawn and woods and loving it.
THAT is the kind of environment that Mou and I hoped to retire to (minus
the snow) - we were considering the northwest coast of Oregon, southwest
coast of Washington. Close enough to major cities that it wouldn't take
more than 2-3 hours, yet far enough out for privacy, land, forests...
> As it is winter and I'm not working at selling hot dogs from my cart,
> too damned cold and I refuse to shovel the snow so the few diehards
> can get their hot dog fix, I'm playing house husband, working on
> putting some photos together for publication, putting in a new
> bathroom, starting the outline of a book I've been bugged to write.
Make'em shovel their way to your house if they want the 'dogs that much!
I remember the photographs you've shared over the years - absolutely
incredible... you have a publisher for the photos and for your book???
> Right now, I've got to get dinner ready for us and pack the car. We
> are off to see the kids in CT for New Years. So.... I wish everyone
> peace, happiness, health and prosperity in the new year.
Have a safe journey, Jeeco - keep the shiny side up.
> I'll look back again next week and try and say individual hellos and
> catch up a bit.
Likewise, as other than sending posts in by email announcing various
births, etc, I've not read the group for gawd-knows however long.
Wolf
Shelayla
-Shelayla
Wolf <ghst...@nemasys.com> wrote in news:47781ef4$0$84199
$742e...@news.sonic.net:
Alan B. Mac Farlane
sure is a trip working recovery ...
I am so glad you and Mou were able to get that deep love that burns through
the hurt and pain.
One of the things I discovered about love that is so great that I am willing
to die for them ... so that they would have the life they want to have.
Well what mackeral can they slap in your face that is worst than that.
Love takes the pain and hurt away ... amazing how that works and it is what
I did not get with my Toddler Tantrum ... and what I needed in recovery to
get better ... and to do the rest of what I have to do in living.
Keep up the good work Wolfie ... pass on the good news.
sumbuddie who cares
:)
in article 47782404$0$84190$742e...@news.sonic.net, Wolf at
ghst...@nemasys.com wrote on 12/30/07 3:04 PM:
Baba Yaga
[...]
>I feel like this place gave me the adolescence I was never free to have in
>RL. During those years I was frozen in a fearblock of ice.
Powerfully put.
Adolescence has its term, though.
>i mourn the loss of this community. as a 'daily' place of interaction. I
>sometimes feel like those of us who remain are like the astronauts in that
>Ray Bradbury short story, talking after the ship has blown up, and knowing
>they are hurtling in separate directions and with limited communication
>time.
Ooooof.
Usenet is dying. 8-( People want things which beep and blink and
require gnat-like atention spans, not text.
[...]
>> I can't say always - sometimes it works well, sometimes I really
>> haven't what it takes and find myself in performing seal mode, which
>> is hideous, and sometimes I haven't what it takes and can't even
>> access performing seal mode, which is worse!
>
>you think so, Baba, but i bet it's not really as obvious as you think.
Thanks for the intended comfort.
>There is a term in Recovery, Inc. called "wearing the mask." I know that
>term sounds very negative.
Not really. Masks are essential.
>It is more about boundaries, and the fact that
>our faces don't have to be open windows on our thoughts, and that we often
>don't give ourselves credit for how well we hold our act together..
Can be.
[...]
>> More good than bad? I dunno. Not that I evaluatre as obsessively as
>> I once did - easier to take things as they hit me, I mean, as they
>> come. ;-) The PTSD monster has roared pretty loudly this past year.
>> And I'm still too much on the periphery of my own life... But things
>> *are going in the right direction again, at last.
>
>Baba, you have always been so awesome.
Thank you. !!!
>> And my neighbour's nieces and nephew (two, and lately discovered
>> sliding down the banisters!) brighten any week.
>
>I'm glad you have the pleasure and joy of that.
Me too. Life really would be pretty dire without.
Baba Yaga
--
To learn which questions are unanswerable, and /not to answer them/:
this skill is most needful in times of stress and darkness.
- Ursula LeGuin
Baba Yaga
>Oh, I know this name too! Hi Baba Yaga. Nice to see ya.
Hi, Shelayla. LTNS.
Very ditto!
Baba Yaga
--
People say "use it or lose it", but that doesn't mean anything unless
you define 'use' and 'it'.
- Torkel Klingberg
Baba Yaga
>On Thu, 27 Dec 2007, azure wrote:
>> "Baba Yaga" <spam...@phonecoop.coop> wrote in message
>> news:lp4jm3t1bajkc111m...@4ax.com...
>>> Liz <garba...@socal.rr.com> wrote, in alt.abuse.recovery:
>>>
>>>> Hi all,
>>>>
>>>> Man, I miss the fighting here. I'm saying that outright - I miss
>>>> the intensity of experience this place offered. The fighting, the
>>>> anger,
>>>
>>> Understood.
>>
>> Yes. That intensity was something else.
>
>(still lurk)
>
>needed that intensity for a bit. like community, but the animosity got
>old quickly.
Yes.
But it was good to learn to fight back, and thicken the skin. (Toying
with trolls in talk.rape didn't hurt, either.)
>usenet has seemed to be dying for years. hope it never really dies,
>but that's prolly a vain hope.
Think we just said something similar. Only minus the hope.
>> you think so, Baba, but i bet it's not really as obvious as you
>> think. There is a term in Recovery, Inc. called "wearing the mask." I
>> know that term sounds very negative. It is more about boundaries,
>> and the fact that our faces don't have to be open windows on our
>> thoughts, and that we often don't give ourselves credit for how well
>> we hold our act together..
>
>but there's an internal cost, of course.
Exactly so.
>> Baba, you have always been so awesome.
>
>agree
say azure and astri!
(thank you.)
Baba Yaga
>Yes. which is why it is important to have a place where one does not have
>to wear any kind of mask. but not being able to don one is another thing
does anyone, really? seems to me, there are always masks, even if the
thinnest and lightest. even if one doffs the mask for moments.
>entirely. it's like not having skin. any type of wood slivers and bacteria
>can invade at will.
yes!
>i think the important thing is to have it within one's control how much of a
>mask one believes it is appropriate and safe to wear.
<<nodding>>
Baba Yaga
>people get to make choices. this place provided a forum for specific
>needs. not entirely healthy, of course.
>
>it's interesting that that stuff wasn't entirely self-perpetuating,
>actually.
yes.
8-)
Baba Yaga
>it all boiled out in working the Do rules me thinks ...
>
>do talk, do trust, do think, do feel,
Whooooof.
Those can be a tall order.
Thanks for the reminder. 8-)
Baba Yaga
>Hey Baba!
>
>Good to see you're still hanging in :)
Wolf. Fancy seeing you here.
Baba Yaga
>Liz and all those I remember,
>
>I haven't looked in on the group for a long time. Most of the time it
>is a list of rants by folks that I don't know and seemingly related to
>politics of one type or another, mostly another.
>
>I'm not sure that many remember me, it has been a couple of years
>since I was "active" here. A lot has happened and a lot stays the
>same. Well, not really. My world has been pretty much turned upside
>down and I think we landed right side up for a change.
Good to hear.
>Marie and I have moved to the great white north, got a suv with four
>studded snow tires, drive 12 miles one way to get to a grocery store,
>fifty miles to a shopping mall. We are living in our 1840's farm
>house with three acres of lawn and woods and loving it.
Very nice. (Well, 50 miles to the mall sounds to the good, but 12 to
the grocery store might *just be overdoing it. ;-)
And about time things went well for you.
astri
> Usenet is dying. 8-( People want things which beep and blink and
> require gnat-like atention spans, not text.
want text!!!!
-- astri <--- wierd
Baba Yaga
>On Fri, 11 Jan 2008, Baba Yaga wrote:
>
>> Usenet is dying. 8-( People want things which beep and blink and
>> require gnat-like atention spans, not text.
>
>want text!!!!
yes!
>-- astri <--- wierd
Baba Yaga
weird too
astri
>> On Thu, 27 Dec 2007, azure wrote:
>>> "Baba Yaga" <spam...@phonecoop.coop> wrote in message
>>> news:lp4jm3t1bajkc111m...@4ax.com...
>>>> Liz <garba...@socal.rr.com> wrote, in alt.abuse.recovery:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>
>>>>> Man, I miss the fighting here. I'm saying that outright - I miss
>>>>> the intensity of experience this place offered. The fighting,
>>>>> the anger,
>>>>
>>>> Understood.
>>>
>>> Yes. That intensity was something else.
>>
>> (still lurk)
>>
>> needed that intensity for a bit. like community, but the animosity
>> got old quickly.
>
> Yes.
>
> But it was good to learn to fight back, and thicken the skin.
> (Toying with trolls in talk.rape didn't hurt, either.)
didn't need to learn to fight. father really liked to be engaged,
liked to have someone to fight with, wanted it.
>> usenet has seemed to be dying for years. hope it never really dies,
>> but that's prolly a vain hope.
>
> Think we just said something similar. Only minus the hope.
saw
>>> you think so, Baba, but i bet it's not really as obvious as you
>>> think. There is a term in Recovery, Inc. called "wearing the mask."
>>> I know that term sounds very negative. It is more about
>>> boundaries, and the fact that our faces don't have to be open
>>> windows on our thoughts, and that we often don't give ourselves
>>> credit for how well we hold our act together..
>>
>> but there's an internal cost, of course.
>
> Exactly so.
>
>>> Baba, you have always been so awesome.
>>
>> agree
>
> say azure and astri!
but of course
> (thank you.)
(you're welcome)
-- astri
astri
> astri <inv...@example.com> wrote, in alt.abuse.recovery:
>> On Fri, 11 Jan 2008, Baba Yaga wrote:
>>
>>> Usenet is dying. 8-( People want things which beep and blink and
>>> require gnat-like atention spans, not text.
>>
>> want text!!!!
>
> yes!
>
>> -- astri <--- wierd
>
> Baba Yaga
> weird too
heh
-- astri
Liz
<spam...@phonecoop.coop> wrote:
>jeeco <je...@asarian-host.net> wrote, in alt.abuse.recovery:
>
>>Liz and all those I remember,
Jeeks! I missed seeing this one.
>>I haven't looked in on the group for a long time. Most of the time it
>>is a list of rants by folks that I don't know and seemingly related to
>>politics of one type or another, mostly another.
>>
>>I'm not sure that many remember me, it has been a couple of years
>>since I was "active" here. A lot has happened and a lot stays the
>>same. Well, not really. My world has been pretty much turned upside
>>down and I think we landed right side up for a change.
>
>Good to hear.
>
>>Marie and I have moved to the great white north, got a suv with four
>>studded snow tires, drive 12 miles one way to get to a grocery store,
>>fifty miles to a shopping mall. We are living in our 1840's farm
>>house with three acres of lawn and woods and loving it.
>
>Very nice. (Well, 50 miles to the mall sounds to the good, but 12 to
>the grocery store might *just be overdoing it. ;-)
>
>And about time things went well for you.
Ditto. I'm glad to hear you are finally getting some of the peace and
happiness you so deserved.
>
>Baba Yaga
Baba Yaga
>On Fri, 11 Jan 2008, Baba Yaga wrote:
>> astri <inv...@example.com> wrote, in alt.abuse.recovery:
>>> On Thu, 27 Dec 2007, azure wrote:
>>>> "Baba Yaga" <spam...@phonecoop.coop> wrote in message
>>>> news:lp4jm3t1bajkc111m...@4ax.com...
>>>>> Liz <garba...@socal.rr.com> wrote, in alt.abuse.recovery:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Man, I miss the fighting here. I'm saying that outright - I miss
>>>>>> the intensity of experience this place offered. The fighting,
>>>>>> the anger,
>>>>>
>>>>> Understood.
>>>>
>>>> Yes. That intensity was something else.
>>>
>>> (still lurk)
>>>
>>> needed that intensity for a bit. like community, but the animosity
>>> got old quickly.
>>
>> Yes.
>>
>> But it was good to learn to fight back, and thicken the skin.
>> (Toying with trolls in talk.rape didn't hurt, either.)
>
>didn't need to learn to fight. father really liked to be engaged,
>liked to have someone to fight with, wanted it.
<<shudder>>
>>>> Baba, you have always been so awesome.
>>>
>>> agree
>>
>> say azure and astri!
>
>but of course
and you ain't?
astri
> astri <inv...@example.com> wrote, in alt.abuse.recovery:
>> On Fri, 11 Jan 2008, Baba Yaga wrote:
>>>
>>> But it was good to learn to fight back, and thicken the skin.
>>> (Toying with trolls in talk.rape didn't hurt, either.)
>>
>> didn't need to learn to fight. father really liked to be engaged,
>> liked to have someone to fight with, wanted it.
>
> <<shudder>>
uh huh
(but just was)
>>>>> Baba, you have always been so awesome.
>>>>
>>>> agree
>>>
>>> say azure and astri!
>>
>> but of course
>
> and you ain't?
eh
Baba Yaga
>On Sat, 12 Jan 2008, Baba Yaga wrote:
>> astri <inv...@example.com> wrote, in alt.abuse.recovery:
>>> On Fri, 11 Jan 2008, Baba Yaga wrote:
>>>>
>>>> But it was good to learn to fight back, and thicken the skin.
>>>> (Toying with trolls in talk.rape didn't hurt, either.)
>>>
>>> didn't need to learn to fight. father really liked to be engaged,
>>> liked to have someone to fight with, wanted it.
>>
>> <<shudder>>
>
>uh huh
>(but just was)
regret that it was.
azure
> astri <inv...@example.com> wrote, in alt.abuse.recovery:
>>On Fri, 11 Jan 2008, Baba Yaga wrote:
>>
>>> Usenet is dying. 8-( People want things which beep
>>> and blink and require gnat-like atention spans, not text.
>>
>>want text!!!!
>
> yes!
>
>>-- astri <--- wierd
>
> Baba Yaga
> weird too
weird three
azure
kcinkali
Shane is 32 now? omg... incredible. With the ADHD, and getting bored while
waiting for the rest of the class to "catch up"... I saw and still see that
in my now 25 year old son. He is on his internship part of a surgical
assistant program and doing amazingly well. *However, I still hear "it was
so fucking boring mom" when doing a routine surgery.
Hope everything is going well for you.
Casey
"Wolf" <ghst...@nemasys.com> wrote in message
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>
> Hi Lindsey;
>
> snowdrop wrote:
>> X-No-Archive: Yes
>>
>> Hi Liz, really good to see that things are going better for you, yes I
>> still pop in from time to time, hoping to see some familiar name or two,
>> but apart from Alan there don't seem to be many people around that I
>> remember.
>
> There's a few, not many, true. Same dosage of spammers as usual though :P
>
>> This year has been a real bummer in one way or another for me, my
>> daughter has failed her driving test 3 times,
>
> Oy... how many chances does she get?
>
>> I have had to have a hysterectomy after being diagnosed with Cancer, but
>> I now have the all clear.
>
>
> Holy smokes... glad you beat it!
>
>> I have lost just over 30 pounds in weight (needed too), so the pain in my
>> back and legs from Fibro is a little better controlled and I am getting
>> more active as the pain gets more under control.
>
> Good... what kinds of treatments, therapy, and meds are used for Fibro?
>
>> My grand-son who has ADHD was 14 this year, and he has turned into a
>> really charming/helpful young man (at least to me),
>
>
> The doc who diagnosed Shane (my son) as ADHD was adamant that ADHD is not
> a fault, but an advantage: Something along the lines that one with ADHD
> "gets it" in class (and life) far faster than the average person - and as
> a result, gets absolutely bored waiting for the rest of the class (or
> group or whatever) to "get it" - and being bored, finds other things to
> do, which the authorities only see as disruptive. Shane's 32 now, and
> doing very well - journeyman plumber/pipe fitter/welder, and loving it; he
> and his wife Lisa (Lboyko on asar/aar to those who might remember) bought
> a house four years ago about 40 miles from here.
>
>> my 12 year old grand-daughter is as sweet as ever, but she is growing
>> into a young lady too. I take time to smell the roses, enjoy friends,
>> family and hobbies, take in nature and enjoy the trees and sunsets.
>> Because when all is said and done we are only on this earth for a short
>> time, and it doesn't last forever, so enjoy it while we can. I'm looking
>> forward to a holiday in Canada next spring to see my elderly aunts, and
>> another in the autumn to Scotland. As for here, yes I still think and
>> deal with abuse issues from time to time, but I have found more important
>> things to occupy my time, like living - especially after this September
>> and the big C.
>
> Nodding, and good. The big C sure rearranges priorities, eh?
>
>> Have a Happy Christmas and take time to smell the roses you might not get
>> another chance!
>
> Agreed.
>
>
> Wolf