God made pre-humans into people, Vatican newspaper says
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God made pre-humans into people, Vatican newspaper says
By Carol Glatz
Catholic News Service
VATICAN CITY (CNS) -- While apes evolved naturally into pre-human creatures,
it was the will and desire of God that turned them into humans, an article
in the Vatican newspaper said.
"The formation of human beings necessitated a particular contribution by
God, though it remains that their emergence was brought about by natural
causes" of evolution, it said.
The article, published in the May 5-6 edition of L'Osservatore Romano, was
written by Italian evolutionary biologist Fiorenzo Facchini.
The article said that, "when the biological conditions necessary for
supporting a being capable of reflective thought were attained, the will of
God, the creator, freely desired it, and man came to be."
The article posed the question: Does this mean that humans evolved from
chimpanzees?
"No, it might be better to say that at some point God willed a spark of
intelligence to light up in the mind of a nonhuman hominid and thus came
into existence the human as a being, as a subject capable of thought and the
ability to decide freely," it said.
So rather than picturing it as humans descending from the apes, it said,
humans ascended or rose up from the animal kingdom to a higher level, thanks
to the hand of God.
As Pope Benedict XVI wrote in 1968 when he was Father Joseph Ratzinger, God
wanted to create a being that could know him and be able to turn to him, the
article said.
The emergence of the human is neither a casual or accidental event, nor is
it something that was "strictly necessary," demanded by God or the
evolutionary process, it said.
Evolution could have ended at the pre-human stage, it said, but thanks to
"the free choice of God," humans emerged from their pre-human ancestors.
This divine intervention "does not represent an unwarranted intrusion (of
theology) in the field of science -- as is the case with intelligent
design -- but is called for in order to explain the presence of man's
spirit" which cannot come from or evolve out of the material world, the
article said.
The movement from being a creature of the animal and physical world to also
the spiritual was a gift from God "even if it came at the end of a natural
process of evolution," it said.
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J
Jvis...@live.com
Why did "LC' wait until May 26th to post these? He was posting to Usenet on
May 20th
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WaSi6BbVPKI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pF0GWGPX7uQ&NR=1
Nosterill
> http://www.catholicnews.com/data/stories/cns/0802496.htm
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> God made pre-humans into people, Vatican newspaper says
>
> By Carol Glatz
> Catholic News Service
>
> VATICAN CITY (CNS) -- While apes evolved naturally into pre-human creatures,
> it was the will and desire of God that turned them into humans, an article
> in the Vatican newspaper said.
>
> "The formation of human beings necessitated a particular contribution by
> God, though it remains that their emergence was brought about by natural
> causes" of evolution, it said.
Wow! This really is a desperate attempt to shoehorn the Big G into the
picture. Somewhat evidence light, but what can you expect?
LC
Still has a prehensile tail, "J" <Jvis...@live.com> wrote in message
news:1tsjen....@news.alt.net...
> VATICAN CITY (CNS) -- While apes evolved naturally into pre-human
> creatures, it was the will and desire of God that turned them into humans,
> an article in the Vatican newspaper said.
> "The formation of human beings necessitated a particular contribution by
> God, though it remains that their emergence was brought about by natural
> causes" of evolution, it said.
Hedge, spin, lie...it's the longstanding RCC tradition.
<snip fantasy>
> Why did "LC' wait until May 26th to post these? He was posting to Usenet
> on May 20th
Add reading comprehension to "J's" laundry list of shortcomings:
Message-ID:
<fce9dd68-ad75-4275...@w8g2000prd.googlegroups.com>
Where's "J"?:
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WaSi6BbVPKI
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pF0GWGPX7uQ&NR=1
Run, "J", run!
jemcd
>http://www.catholicnews.com/data/stories/cns/0802496.htm
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>God made pre-humans into people, Vatican newspaper says
So were the apes just beta versions? Are we the RTM version?
What about the revisions/updates? When the fuck are we going to see a
service pack? My back and other places hurt for no apparent reason,
eyesight is deteriorating, and it takes me all night to do what I used
to be able to do all night long.
The product support fuckin sucks ass, and the monopoly must cease,
it's just ridiculous. A class action suit needs to put this asshole in
check. What the hell is this god-bastard's legal address?
Ken
> http://www.catholicnews.com/data/stories/cns/0802496.htm
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> God made pre-humans into people, Vatican newspaper says
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> Catholic News Service
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> it was the will and desire of God that turned them into humans, an article
> in the Vatican newspaper said.
WOW!
If a bunch of shriveled up impotent priests who dress up like aging
drag queens in Beach Blanket Babylon said that, then it MUST be
true...............?
JohnN
> On Mon, 2 Jun 2008 00:45:00 -0400, "J" <Jvisi...@live.com> wrote:
> >http://www.catholicnews.com/data/stories/cns/0802496.htm
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> >God made pre-humans into people, Vatican newspaper says
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> So were the apes just beta versions? Are we the RTM version?
> What about the revisions/updates?
We have to find the second black obelisk on the Moon for an update.
JohnN
Gwen
> http://www.catholicnews.com/data/stories/cns/0802496.htm
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> God made pre-humans into people, Vatican newspaper says
Come on you, religitards: Prove your God exists and I'll shut the hell
up.
Kenny McCormack
(For them) Existence of God is a premise, not a conclusion.
Which is why all of their conclusions are worth about what you pay for them.
Christopher A. Lee
(Kenny McCormack) wrote:
>In article <699ddd4c-4bc3-480f...@8g2000hse.googlegroups.com>,
>Gwen <bennetw...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>On Jun 2, 12:45 am, "J" <Jvisi...@live.com> wrote:
>>> http://www.catholicnews.com/data/stories/cns/0802496.htm
>>>
>>> God made pre-humans into people, Vatican newspaper says
>>
>>Come on you, religitards: Prove your God exists and I'll shut the hell
>>up.
>
>(For them) Existence of God is a premise, not a conclusion.
Worse than that, it's axiomatic and unquestionable.
John Locke
>http://www.catholicnews.com/data/stories/cns/0802496.htm
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>God made pre-humans into people, Vatican newspaper says
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Ah yes, we're still getting sciemce from the Vatican.
...well its appears nothing has changed in the last 500 years.
"There is not enough love and kindness in the world
to give any of it away to imaginary beings." - Friederich Nietzsche
jemcd
wrote:
thanks, I'll get right on it.
John Baker
>
>Still has a prehensile tail, "J" <Jvis...@live.com> wrote in message
>news:1tsjen....@news.alt.net...
>
>> VATICAN CITY (CNS) -- While apes evolved naturally into pre-human
>> creatures, it was the will and desire of God that turned them into humans,
>> an article in the Vatican newspaper said.
>
>> "The formation of human beings necessitated a particular contribution by
>> God, though it remains that their emergence was brought about by natural
>> causes" of evolution, it said.
>
>Hedge, spin, lie...it's the longstanding RCC tradition.
Which IBen does his best to maintain.
LC
"John Baker" <nu...@bizniz.net> wrote in message
news:6ed844d9mhuiksq4n...@4ax.com...
> On Mon, 2 Jun 2008 08:51:54 -0500, "LC" <LC_...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>Still has a prehensile tail, "J" <Jvis...@live.com> wrote in message
>>news:1tsjen....@news.alt.net...
>>> VATICAN CITY (CNS) -- While apes evolved naturally into pre-human
>>> creatures, it was the will and desire of God that turned them into
>>> humans, an article in the Vatican newspaper said.
>>> "The formation of human beings necessitated a particular contribution by
>>> God, though it remains that their emergence was brought about by natural
>>> causes" of evolution, it said.
>>Hedge, spin, lie...it's the longstanding RCC tradition.
> Which IBen does his best to maintain.
That's because he's the "maintain"ance man:
"A.A. has no position on any outside issues but, ask yourself (and only
yourself) why would you want to do these other substances if your goal is to
straighten out your life p.s. I'm a former maintainance man so i'm not just
talking out my ass."
From: jdyo...@volcanomail.com (Jon Young), talking out his ass.
Newsgroups: alt.recovery.aa
Subject: Re: methadone
Date: 12 Nov 2003 19:31:53 -0800
Message-ID: <25e1e54f.03111...@posting.google.com>
Gwen
> On Mon, 2 Jun 2008 08:51:54 -0500, "LC" <LC__...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> >Still has a prehensile tail, "J" <Jvisi...@live.com> wrote in message
> >news:1tsjen....@news.alt.net...
>
> >> VATICAN CITY (CNS) -- While apes evolved naturally into pre-human
> >> creatures, it was the will and desire of God that turned them into humans,
> >> an article in the Vatican newspaper said.
>
> >> "The formation of human beings necessitated a particular contribution by
> >> God, though it remains that their emergence was brought about by natural
> >> causes" of evolution, it said.
>
> >Hedge, spin, lie...it's the longstanding RCC tradition.
>
> Which IBen does his best to maintain.
...on his priests vibrator, anyway.
Brian E. Clark
>
> VATICAN CITY (CNS) -- While apes evolved naturally into
> pre-human creatures, it was the will and desire of God
> that turned them into humans, an article in the Vatican
> newspaper said.
Wow. Once upon a time, the church insisted God poofed
the whole human race into existence. Now God's been
reduced to the equivalent of the black slab in _2001_.
--
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Brian E. Clark
John Baker
MicrosoftŽ GodŠ Lite. For users who want a basic GodŠ, but don't need
the power and features of the full version.
johac
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> VATICAN CITY (CNS) -- While apes evolved naturally into pre-human creatures,
> it was the will and desire of God that turned them into humans, an article
> in the Vatican newspaper said.
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> "The formation of human beings necessitated a particular contribution by
> God, though it remains that their emergence was brought about by natural
> causes" of evolution, it said.
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Well, I'll give them a little credit for tipping their silly looking
hats to evolution (kinda) but they provide no evidence for their god's
having anything to do with the process or even their god's existence.
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John #1782
squealpiggy
> In article <1tsjen.ses.1...@news.alt.net>, "J" <Jvisi...@live.com>
I think this is continuing the Catholic tradition of scientific
inquiry begun with saints Augustine and Aquinas (and put momentarily
on hold in the middle ages...), and honestly I have no problem with
it. It's an example of people of faith not standing in the way of
science. Sure, there's no evidence but as someone who was raised
Catholic I can assure you that proving the existence of God is not
something the church is that bothered about.
My feeling is that you should ignore these sorts of decrees if you
disagree with them and spend your energy dealing with the "EVILution
is teh FAKE!1" brigade.
jonatt...@gmail.com
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> God made pre-humans into people, Vatican newspaper says
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> By Carol Glatz
> Catholic News Service
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> VATICAN CITY (CNS) -- While apes evolved naturally into pre-human creatures,
> it was the will and desire of God that turned them into humans, an article
> in the Vatican newspaper said.
>
> "The formation of human beings necessitated a particular contribution by
> God, though it remains that their emergence was brought about by natural
> causes" of evolution, it said.
It sounds like that is saying, this is the begining of the end for the
notions that supposedly, god created man, etc., and so forth, blah
blah, blah. ;)
Jon
Preventer of Work
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> VATICAN CITY (CNS) -- While apes evolved naturally into pre-human creatures,
> it was the will and desire of God that turned them into humans, an article
> in the Vatican newspaper said.
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> "The formation of human beings necessitated a particular contribution by
> God, though it remains that their emergence was brought about by natural
> causes" of evolution, it said.
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Some item ago I read a piece by a Muslim scientist (yes, there is such a
thing) who fully believed in the reality of evolution. He claimed at
some time not so long ago, God/Allah "ensouled" a couple of humans,
making them special and subject to his laws.
I thought it was an interesting way of solving the contradiction of
religion vs reality, at least for himself.
So along comes the Pope-omatic Ratmaster and pretty much poaches the
idea for his own crew. They have the right to be wrong, even unoriginal.
But it is a small step in the right direction. A couple more and
a lot more people will conclude that god is an impediment to the
story and should be dispensed with. That will leave the church
with bingo nights and not much else.
johac
<93a4cb75-ff3e-49bf...@k37g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>,
squealpiggy <anthon...@gmail.com> wrote:
The previous pope, JP2, embraced evolution. Now the current pope seems
to be backing off a bit. I don't have the reference on hand, but last
year a high ranking cardinal in the Vatican issued a statement that
seemed to back intelligent design.
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John #1782
Mark K. Bilbo
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> God made pre-humans into people, Vatican newspaper says
"Man in dress makes claims for invisible pixie."