JUSTICE DEPT. To OVERRIDE Jesus-Freaky EMBRYONIC STEM CELL FUNDING STOPPAGE!
Unviable Tissue Mass
decision that has no place in 21st century governance.
Much less medicine and science.
-----------------------
"Obama administration appeals stem cell funding decision"
The Checkup
The Washington Post, Sept. 1, 2010, A15
By Rob Stein
The Obama administration on Tuesday formally challenged a court order
barring the federal government from funding human embryonic stem cell
research.
The Justice Department asked U.S. District Judge Royce Lamberth to
suspend a temporary injunction he issued last week blocking the
funding and filed a notice of plans to appeal the decision to the U.S.
Court of Appeals. Lamberth, ruling in a lawsuit filed by two
researchers working on alternatives to the cells, said the funding
violated a federal rule that prohibits federal tax money from being
used for research that involves the destruction of human embryos.
"The government is seeking a stay of the court's injunction to prevent
the irreparable harm and financial harm that could occur if these
lifesaving research projects are forced to abruptly shut down,"
Justice Department spokesperson Tracy Schmaler said in a statement.
"The great potential for significant additional medical breakthroughs
is at risk if this research is halted pending the appeals process."
Lamberth's injunction "causes irrevocable harm to the millions of
extremely sick or injured people who stand to benefit from continuing
research, as well as taxpayers who have already spent hundreds of
millions of dollars on this research through public funding of projcts
which will not be forced to shut down," she said.
In a declaration filed with the notice, National Institutes of Health
Director Francis Collins said the NIH had invested more than $546
million in the research since 2001 and that therefore the "anticipated
financial loss to NIH and the taxpaying public is enormous and would
include the hundreds of millions already spent on on interrupted
projects and the administative costs of shutting down and restarting
the NIH funding, Schmaler said.
The court order prevents the NIH from providing $54 million to 24
projects already underway that were expecting to be renewed by the end
of September, Collins said. The projects include one aimed at
developing "life-saving therapeutic strategies" in Massachusetts, a
possible source of liver cells for transplantation in Pennsylvania and
a method to more efficiently turn the cells in a variety of tissues,
including lung, liver, pancreas and intestine, in Ohio, she said.
Another 199 grants would also be discontinued, resulting in the loss
of more than 1,300 full- or part-time jobs, Collins said. In addition,
$270 million that has already been spent on these grants "will have
been wasted as investigators and labs can neither finish their curent
projects nor pursue what has been learned," the statement said.
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/checkup/2010/08/obama_administration_appeals_s.html
Peter B
"Unviable Tissue Mass" <kin...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:f067152e-aec9-4519...@i31g2000yqm.googlegroups.com...
> The U.S. District Judge's inane ruling is blatantly a RELIGION-BASED
> decision that has no place in 21st century governance.
>
> Much less medicine and science.
> -----------------------
Where is your proof? You haven't any.
W.T.S.
It's simple, it's just tissue, just like hangnails. The constitution
separates church and state. We can't allow religious nuts from
dictating our medical and science policies, tens of thousands would die.
This ban of decent medical research was due to pressure from religious
filth, and is thus unconstitutional.
--
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Peter B
"W.T.S." <m1...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:MPG.26e8dc183...@news.west.earthlink.net...
1st you did not post any proof of religious interference here so why keep
bringing it up? Is your side just too lame for critical thought? Yes, Why?
You have no background on constitutional law, not its design nor any
understanding of the founding fathers of America. Else you would know your
idea and concepts of the separation of church and State is poor, poorly
based and lacks any understanding.
W.T.S.
People will suffer and die because of the religious filth thinks a few
cells in a dish should be considered human. That is the bottom line, it
isn't "theoretical", it's a fact. If there's justice, you will be among
them, but there is no justice except for what our Supreme Court
enforces. The churches have imposed their sick, degenerate viewpoint
onto the decent people of America, violating the first and fourteenth
amendment. The damage will last for decades to come, generations to
come will suffer and die because of religious nonsense. Eventually,
this stupid ban will be overturned, but by then it'll be too late for
most of us.
David
peter is far too slow to notice that the religioids have worked for
many many years to control everything. It must be some disconnect with
the god is in charge crap. Some kind of passive aggression thing. Very
well seen in their postings.
Peter B
Amazing, your rant against "religions" continued, no support for your
arguments was proffered.
Pathetic.
EOR
David
OK, smart boy, tell us why and show that religioid crap was not
involved. Bet you cannot.
pnyikos
> Peter B wrote:
>
> > "W.T.S." <m...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
> >news:MPG.26e92554a...@news.west.earthlink.net...
> >> In article <4c7f3...@news.x-privat.org>, .@. says...
> >>> 1st you did not post any proof of religious interference here so why
> >>> keep
> >>> bringing it up? Is your side just too lame for critical thought? Yes,
> >>> Why?
> >>> You have no background on constitutional law, not its design nor any
> >>> understanding of the founding fathers of America. Else you would know
> >>> your
> >>> idea and concepts of the separation of church and State is poor, poorly
> >>> based and lacks any understanding.
W.T.S responds to this challenge by digging in deeper:
> >> People will suffer and die because of the religious filth thinks a few
> >> cells in a dish should be considered human. That is the bottom line
No, the bottom line is financial. See repost of mine below from
another thread that Chilton started in talk.abortion and other
newsgroups.
> > Amazing, your rant against "religions" continued, no support for your
> > arguments was proffered.
>
> > Pathetic.
>
> > EOR
>
> OK, smart boy, tell us why and show that religioid crap was not
> involved. Bet you cannot.
Let's see you handle what I wrote to "Pink Freud's" rant about how *I*
was supposedly religiously motivated:
-------------------- begin excerpts from post
Newsgroups: alt.politics.usa, alt.politics.homosexuality, alt.atheism,
alt.bible, talk.abortion
Local: Thurs, Sep 2 2010 10:34 pm
Subject: Re: Obama Administration Now Seeking to BLOCK the Decision
against federal funding of Embryonic Stem Cell Research
On Sep 2, 3:48 pm, "Pink Freud" <somewh...@here.com> wrote:
> "pnyikos" <nyik...@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
> news:d669d286-89ca-4e84...@j18g2000yqd.googlegroups.com...
> > On Sep 2, 9:44 am, "(¯`·.¸Craig Chilton¸.·´¯) <http://
> >www.ChristianEgalitarian.com>" <x...@v.com> wrote:
> >> The Washington Post, Sept. 1, 2010, A15
> >> By Rob Stein
[...]
> >> "The government is seeking a stay of the court's injunction to prevent
> >> the irreparable harm and financial harm that could occur if these
> >> lifesaving research projects are forced to abruptly shut down,"
> > The research has yet to save a single life. Meanwhile, all kinds of
> > promising ideas for cures using "adult" stem cells are being starved
> > for lack of federal funding. Use of adult stem cells is where ALL the
> > successful stem cell treatments of human beings are done.
> > I was wryly amused when I learned that U. of California, Berkeley,
> > faculty will no longer have landline phones in their offices, due to
> > the horrible financial mess California is in.
> > I remembered that each year, 300 million dollars of California tax
> > money is earmarked for research into embryonic stem cells.
> > Californians were conned into voting that tax burden on themselves,
> > thanks to an advertising campaign that any snake oil salesman would
> > envy.
> > Bill Gates poured 100 grand into that campaign. Yet if he wanted to,
> > he could have funded the whole 3 billion dollar-over-10 year project
> > out of his fortune, and hardly felt the pinch.
> > I suspect Bill Gates figured the odds against him recouping that
> > investment in his lifetime were slim to none. And maybe even his
> > foundation would go under before the dividends started coming in.
> >> Lamberth's injunction "causes irrevocable harm to the millions of
> >> extremely sick or injured people who stand to benefit from continuing
> >> research,
> > The smart money says, "not in their lifetimes". But if more research
> > on adult stem cells were funded, they might see benefits in their
> > lifetimes.
> >> as well as taxpayers who have already spent hundreds of
> >> millions of dollars on this research through public funding of projcts
> >> which will not be forced to shut down," she said.
> > Hell, if they are that anxious to keep these things going, they could
> > turn to cells reprogrammed to become like embryonic stem cells, and
> > NOT entailing the killing of embryos.
> > Peter Nyikos
> I'm officially entering a dog in this fight :)
> I love the way you try to appear really rational, until the final paragraph
> when you just can't resist adding your real motivation for posting.
Guess again. I have NEVER opposed embryonic stem cell funding on
religious or moral grounds. Can you say "fiscal responsibility"?
My last paragraph - which does NOT hint at my motivation for writing
it -- was put there because there is NO court injunction against using
reprogrammed stem cells. The original law on which the ruling was
based had the destruction of embryos as the key ingredient, and this
is not an issue in the reprogrammed cells.
HOWEVER, I'm not happy with government funding for them because they
show no more promise than the embryonic stem cells.
> I don't think you could care less about the scientific promise (or not, tis
> irrelevant) of stem cells.
I care deeply for the people who can be helped by them, but adult stem
cells are the only ones that have ever shown real promise.
DO YOU care?
[wild off-base comments showing NO caring for the sick or disabled,
deleted]
> [...] there are
> a lot of smart scientists out there who think this tech has promise. Massive
> amounts of promise. Those scientists (shock) know more about the subject
> than you do.
But not more than numerous scientists who point out the logic of using
stem cells closer to the organs or tissues they are trying to grow.
Totipotent cells are a theoretical biologists' dream, but they require
extra steps to be coaxed into the kinds of cells any MEDICAL
researchers would want as their starting points.
> Why would they want to spend massive amounts of time and money
> on something that is worthless?
They aren't spending THEIR money, it is ultimately the taxpayers'
money they are spending. And the ones getting the grants -- the ones
taking "massive amounts of time" are being handsomely paid for doing
what I suspect is basic research, NOT applied research, for the most
part.
Are you old enough to remember Reagan's "Star Wars"? Even researchers
who were skeptical about its benefits were so anxious to line up at
the public trough that there was a letter in _Notices of the American
Mathematical Society_ berating the attitude, "It'll never work, but as
long as the money is there for the research, why not take advantage of
it?"
========== end of excerpts
Peter Nyikos
pnyikos
> In article <4c7f3...@news.x-privat.org>, .@. says...
>
>
>
>
>
> >news:MPG.26e8dc183...@news.west.earthlink.net...
> > > In article <4c7ec42...@news.x-privat.org>, .@. says...
>
> > >> "Unviable Tissue Mass" <kink...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > >>news:f067152e-aec9-4519...@i31g2000yqm.googlegroups.com...
> > >> > The U.S. District Judge's inane ruling is blatantly a RELIGION-BASED
> > >> > decision that has no place in 21st century governance.
>
> > >> > Much less medicine and science.
> > >> > -----------------------
>
> > >> Where is your proof? You haven't any.
>
> > > It's simple, it's just tissue, just like hangnails. The constitution
> > > separates church and state. We can't allow religious nuts from
> > > dictating our medical and science policies, tens of thousands would die.
> > > This ban of decent medical research was due to pressure from religious
> > > filth, and is thus unconstitutional.
>
> > 1st you did not post any proof of religious interference here so why keep
> > bringing it up? Is your side just too lame for critical thought? Yes, Why?
> > You have no background on constitutional law, not its design nor any
> > understanding of the founding fathers of America. Else you would know your
> > idea and concepts of the separation of church and State is poor, poorly
> > based and lacks any understanding.
>
> People will suffer and die because of the religious filth thinks a few
> cells in a dish should be considered human. That is the bottom line,
No, the bottom line is financial and prudential. See my reply to
"David" of a few minutes ago.
People are more likely to suffer and die because money that should be
going to adult stem cell therapy is being granted instead for HIGHLY
SPECULATIVE embryonic stem cell *research*.
Are you sure you aren't being fed a pack of lies? Just look at the
lies I caught an anti-religion twit spewing on that same thread where
I posted that comeback to "Pink Freud":
On Sep 3, 1:05 am, "Less religion, more light" <m...@optushome.com.au>
wrote:
> "pnyikos" <nyik...@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
> news:d669d286-89ca-4e84...@j18g2000yqd.googlegroups.com
> > On Sep 2, 9:44 am, "(¯`·.¸Craig Chilton¸.·´¯) <http://
> >www.ChristianEgalitarian.com>" <x...@v.com> wrote:
> >> X-No-Archive: no
I wonder why Chilton decided he wanted his inaugural post to expire
and not be archived. It seems so unlike him not to immortalize his
own words.
Could it be his way of saying, "I am now going to emulate James G.
Keegan, Jr and not discuss the post at all"?
> >> Obama Administration Now Seeking to BLOCK
> >> the INANE Decision Hampering Embryonic Stem Cell Research!
> >> And the SOONER that gets done, the BETTER!!!
> >> = = = = = = = = =
> >> "Obama administration appeals stem cell funding decision"
> >> The Checkup
> >> The Washington Post, Sept. 1, 2010, A15
> >> By Rob Stein
> >> The Obama administration on Tuesday formally challenged a court order
> >> barring the federal government from funding human embryonic stem cell
> >> research.
[...]
> >> "The government is seeking a stay of the court's injunction to
> >> prevent the irreparable harm and financial harm that could occur if
> >> these lifesaving research projects are forced to abruptly shut down,"
> > The research has yet to save a single life.
Watch the dishonest use of "has" and "are" below, folks:
> Embryonic stem cell research has tremendously advanced our understanding of
> human development and medicine.
> With greater understanding there are more lives being saved.
You are flagrantly misrepresenting the following website--an avowedly
liberal one at that:
http://usliberals.about.com/od/stemcellresearch/i/StemCell1_2.htm
{Excerpt:}
Scientists see almost infinite value in the use of embryonic stem cell
research to understand human development and the growth and treatment
of dieases.
Actual cures are many years away, though, since research has not
progressed to the point where even one cure has yet been generated by
embryonic stem cell research.
{end of excerpt"
Got it, Gentle Readers? The first sentence in the excerpt talks about
(unidentified) scientists *seeing* things that they expect to come to
our understanding of human development [logically] and medicine [more
speculatively].
The second shows just how flagrantly "Less religion, more light"
misused the term, "there are more lives being saved".
"Less religion, more fog" would be a better moniker.
> Note also this absolutely laughable pro-life belief. (from the website).
> "Some staunch pro-lifers and most pro-life organizations regard the
> destruction of the blastocyst, which is a laboratory-fertilized human egg,
> to be the murder of human life. They believe that life begins at conception,
> and that destruction of this pre-born life is morally unacceptable."
> Lol! A blastocyst is a valid human being? Unbelievable!
Except to human embryologists, and those who are familiar with their
work. See _The Developing Human_, by Keith L. Moore et al, and _Human
Embryology and Teratology_, by Ronan O'Rahilly and Fabiola Muller.
I should qualify that: if the blastocyst is a normal one and not
something that will develop into a blighted ovum, hydatidiform mole,
or choriocarcinoma. The latter two are due to gross genetical
defects; I'm not sure about the first.
[continued in next post, with more revelations about "Less religion,
more fog"]
Peter Nyikos
============ end of repost
W.T.S.
76da4f...@q40g2000prg.googlegroups.com>, nyi...@bellsouth.net
says...
shit, nonsense, and religious rants, evasions, misquotes and just
general insults to the intelligence of the Newsgroup users. </snip>
It's amazing the lengths RCC filth and their fronts will go to in order
to advance their sick agendas. In this case, they want people killed
and maimed by cutting off the most promising lines of research into
embryonic stems cells. They aren't even any good at it as they must've
flunked out of disinformation school! Why they think a petri dish is a
human is beyond me! Kids will suffer and die, but to the RCC and their
front organizations, life ends at birth. The term "pro-liars" has never
fit so well, every time they open their mouths lying shit spews out all
over the entire country! If they could just tell the truth one, single
time and say, "I'm a sick, degenerate piece of human excrement that's
unfit to associate or speak to normal, decent human beings, I'm a Roman
Catholic!" I'd understand, I'd respect their honesty. But, they don't.
They just lie, lie, lie until the cows come home. Here's the truth, the
best hope is embryonic stem cell research if you want to cure anything
serious, such as spinal cord injuries along with a long list a serious
illnesses. The RCC wants to stop this vital research because they think
a microscopic clump of cells is human, it isn't. This is an issue that
just doesn't effect women alone, it affects males, children, everyone.
If you don't want this institution from the Dark Ages, and their front
organizations to get between you and your Doctor, find out where your
Senator and Congressman stand. Vote them out if they support these
stupid bans. All of our lives are at stake. As for the RCC and its
fronts, go dream up new lies and disinformation!
W.T.S.
e3b3d5...@y12g2000prb.googlegroups.com>, nyi...@bellsouth.net
says...
>
> On Sep 2, 5:07 am, "W.T.S." <m...@earthlink.net> wrote:
> > In article <4c7f3...@news.x-privat.org>, .@. says...
> >
> > > "W.T.S." <m...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
> > >news:MPG.26e8dc183...@news.west.earthlink.net...
> > > > In article <4c7ec42...@news.x-privat.org>, .@. says...
> >
> > > >> "Unviable Tissue Mass" <kink...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > > >>news:f067152e-aec9-4519...@i31g2000yqm.googlegroups.com...
> > > >> > The U.S. District Judge's inane ruling is blatantly a RELIGION-BASED
> > > >> > decision that has no place in 21st century governance.
> >
> > > >> > Much less medicine and science.
> > > >> > -----------------------
> >
> > > > separates church and state. We can't allow religious nuts from
> > > > dictating our medical and science policies, tens of thousands would die.
> > > > This ban of decent medical research was due to pressure from religious
> > > > filth, and is thus unconstitutional.
> >
few
> > cells in a dish should be considered human. That is the bottom line,
>
>
> > news:d669d286-89ca-4e84...@j18g2000yqd.googlegroups.com
>
> > > On Sep 2, 9:44 am, "(¯`·.¸Craig Chilton¸.·´¯) <http://
> > >www.ChristianEgalitarian.com>" <x...@v.com> wrote:
> > >> X-No-Archive: no
>
> > >> the INANE Decision Hampering Embryonic Stem Cell Research!
>
> > >> And the SOONER that gets done, the BETTER!!!
>
>
> > >> The Checkup
> > >> The Washington Post, Sept. 1, 2010, A15
>
> > >> By Rob Stein
>
> > >> The Obama administration on Tuesday formally challenged a court order
> > >> barring the federal government from funding human embryonic stem cell
> > >> research.
>
> > >> prevent the irreparable harm and financial harm that could occur if
> > >> these lifesaving research projects are forced to abruptly shut
> > >> down,"
>
> > understanding of
> > human development and medicine.
> > With greater understanding there are more lives being saved.
>
> > website).
> > "Some staunch pro-liars and most pro-lie organizations regard the
> > destruction of the blastocyst, which is a laboratory-fertilized human egg,
> > to be the murder of human life. They believe that life begins at conception,
> > and that destruction of this pre-born life is morally unacceptable."
>
> > Lol! A blastocyst is a valid human being? Unbelievable!
>
> ============ end of repost
Darn. When you snip out the most obvious lies the pro-liars spew out,
there's nothing left! They can't even make up good lies anymore. They
need to go back to disinformation school. The only truth here is that
embryonic stem cell research holds the most promise of saving lives and
healing illness and injury. But, pro-liars don't care. They just dream
up lie after lie after lie to spread FUD (fear, uncertainty and doubt).
They don't care who they maim or kill anymore, they just do it. If you
want to protect yourselves, and future generations, vote out pro-lie
supporters.
Thank goodness this research continues in places like China and Japan!
But, if anything shows just how sick and ugly the RCC and its fronts
have become, it's this willingness to sacrifice _you_ on the altar of
the pro-lie cause. It's time to start defending ourselves.
Peter B
"Rob Par" <rob...@mypbmail.com> wrote in message
news:lep286hcaegvuafea...@4ax.com...
> the religious nut jobs. Most religious people don't give a shit, or
> follow the teaching of Jesus, tend to the beam in their own eye.
> Instead of being a nosy busy body.
>>EOR
<yawn> Still no proof, just prejudice.
pnyikos
> On Thu, 2 Sep 2010 22:46:46 -0700, "Peter B" <.@.> wrote:
>
> >news:MPG.26e92554a...@news.west.earthlink.net...> >>> "W.T.S." <m...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
> >>>news:MPG.26e8dc183...@news.west.earthlink.net...
> >>> > In article <4c7ec42...@news.x-privat.org>, .@. says...
>
> >>> >> "Unviable Tissue Mass" <kink...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> the religious nut jobs.
Rob Par has killfiled me, so someone whom he has not killfiled will
have to repost my refutation of his utterly idiotic claim (or else
come up with refutations of their own) if Rob Par is to be evicted
from his fool's paradise.
> Most religious people don't give a shit, or
> follow the teaching of Jesus, tend to the beam in their own eye.
Jesus taught people to have compassion for others, like the Good
Samaritan and it is not compassionate to waste billions of dollars of
taxpayer money on pure speculation about embryonic stem cells when
people can be helped by the valuable and often helpful therapy using
adult stem cells.
That's where most of the grant money should be going, but when the
state legislature tried to free up some of the 3 billion that
Californians were conned into paying with their taxes in 2004, and
make it more accountable to the taxpayers, Governor Hasta La Vista
Baby vetoed it:
http://www.bizjournals.com/sacramento/stories/2008/09/29/daily12.html
Thus are Californians cheated of research into the kind of stem cell
therapy that is already saving lives and curing various disorders.
> Instead of being a nosy busy body.
Rob Par doesn't realize that he is more of a busy body.
Can someone reading this show him the error of his ways?
Peter Nyikos
pnyikos
> In article <034233f3-c63c-4439-be70-
> 76da4f3a7...@q40g2000prg.googlegroups.com>, nyik...@bellsouth.net
W.T.S buried his head in the sand instead of even trying to handle
what I wrote:
> > -------------------- begin excerpts from post
>
> > Newsgroups: alt.politics.usa, alt.politics.homosexuality, alt.atheism,
> > alt.bible, talk.abortion
> > Local: Thurs, Sep 2 2010 10:34 pm
> > Subject: Re: Obama Administration Now Seeking to BLOCK the Decision
> > against federal funding of Embryonic Stem Cell Research
>
> > On Sep 2, 3:48 pm, "Pink Freud" <somewh...@here.com> wrote:
>
> > > "pnyikos" <nyik...@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
Lying through his teeth, W.T.S. wrote a total misrepresentation of
what I wrote, and was too cowardly to leave ANY of it in:
> <snip> One of the longer spews of RCC disinformation and lying bull
> shit, nonsense, and religious rants, evasions, misquotes and just
> general insults to the intelligence of the Newsgroup users. </snip>
Well, W.T.S., up to this post I have considered you to be a basically
honest and sincere if terribly misguided fanatic, one who had the
courage of his convictions, but now I see you are a dishonest
coward.
> It's amazing the lengths RCC filth and their fronts will go to in order
> to advance their sick agendas. In this case, they want people killed
> and maimed by cutting off the most promising lines of research into
> embryonic stems cells.
Are you venting your frustration over the fact that I did NOT give any
of the RCC morality arguments against embryonic stem cell research,
but honestly and sincerely gave reasons that you are so powerless to
counter, that you had to delete them and lie about what I wrote?
> They aren't even any good at it as they must've
> flunked out of disinformation school! Why they think a petri dish is a
> human is beyond me!
That is NOT a reason I gave for opposing the sinking of billions into
the bottomless pit of research into embryonic stem cells. In fact, I
have gone on record many times as not favoring laws banning abortion
before the 8th week past fertilization.
Why, back in 1993 I even posted "A pro-choice post, for a change."
Google couldn't find it when I searched by title keywords "pro-choice"
and "post" but fortunately I remembered some distinctive words in it,
and then Google did find it, and here it is:
http://groups.google.com/group/talk.abortion/msg/99251dbe995549f9
[Excerpt:]
there are many cases which fall short of rape as it is
commonly understood, yet it goes against my instincts to prohibit
abortion prior to there being "someone home" in the unborn's nervous
system.
One such example is something I came across one of the few times I
browsed through _Soldier of Fortune_ magazine, a magazine of the
"Rambo Right" whose philosophy is alien to mine, yet occasionally
it comes up with some articles worth reflecting on.
There was an article in which a woman talked about her experiences
in "bedding down" with some of the "soldier of fortune" types. They
were the only men in her experience who would actually reach up her
vagina and remove her diaphragm. One of these rats [excuse me, but
that is the way I think of anyone who would do such a thing] said
to her, "I don't want *anything* to come between us, baby." Then,
after she (rather ambivalently) went ahead with the intercourse
anyway,
he told her, "If you kill my baby, I just might kill you."
Such rats do more to strengthen my pro-choice side than anything I
have read
in this newsgroup.
========= end of excerpt
That last sentence still holds, by the way. Your abortion rights
rhetoric does not speak to the heart, W.T.S., and until you learn how
to make pro-choice attractive to people, you will not only not make a
single convert, you will even make pro-lifers suspicious that you are
one of them, mercilessly satirizing the true pro-choicers with crap
like "Abortion good, Baby Bad"
[remainder of rant by you deleted]
Peter Nyikos
W.T.S.
b7961a...@k13g2000vbq.googlegroups.com>, nyi...@bellsouth.net
says...
>
> On Sep 3, 5:21 pm, Rob Par <rob...@mypbmail.com> wrote:
> > On Thu, 2 Sep 2010 22:46:46 -0700, "Peter B" <.@.> wrote:
> >
> > >"W.T.S." <m...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
> > >news:MPG.26e92554a...@news.west.earthlink.net...
> > >> In article <4c7f3...@news.x-privat.org>, .@. says...
> >
> > >>> "W.T.S." <m...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
> > >>>news:MPG.26e8dc183...@news.west.earthlink.net...
> > >>> > In article <4c7ec42...@news.x-privat.org>, .@. says...
> >
> > >>> >> "Unviable Tissue Mass" <kink...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > >>> >>news:f067152e-aec9-4519...@i31g2000yqm.googlegroups.com...
> > >>> >> > The U.S. District Judge's inane ruling is blatantly a RELIGION-BASED
> > >>> >> > decision that has no place in 21st century governance.
> >
> > >>> >> > Much less medicine and science.
> > >>> >> > -----------------------
> >
> > >>> >> Where is your proof? You haven't any.
> >
> > >>> > It's simple, it's just tissue, just like hangnails. The constitution
> > >>> > separates church and state. We can't allow religious nuts from
> > >>> > dictating our medical and science policies, tens of thousands would
> > >>> > die.
> > >>> > This ban of decent medical research was due to pressure from religious
> > >>> > filth, and is thus unconstitutional.
> >
> > >> a few
> > >> cells in a dish should be considered human. That is the bottom line, it
> > >> isn't "theoretical", it's a fact. If there's justice, you will be among
> > >> them, but there is no justice except for what our Supreme Court
> > >> enforces. The churches have imposed their sick, degenerate viewpoint
> > >> onto the decent people of America, violating the first and fourteenth
> > >> amendment. The damage will last for decades to come, generations to
> > >> come will suffer and die because of religious nonsense. Eventually,
> > >> this stupid ban will be overturned, but by then it'll be too late for
> > >> most of us.
> >
> > the religious nut jobs.
>
> > follow the teaching of Jesus, tend to the beam in their own eye.
>
except the truth. All actual scientists agree embryonic stem cells
offers the best hope. But, progress has been delayed for years and
years thanks to the RCC and its fronts. Justice is actually very rare,
but I hope a few of them suffer and die from the illness that embryonic
stems cells might've cured. Their position is that if there's ten
fertilized eggs in a petri dish, and one baby, and the building is on
fire, and you can only save one or the other, you want to save the petri
dish. It figures, RCC interest in actual people ends at birth, it
always has, and always will. Perhaps the RCC and its fronts are so
deluded they actually believe their own disinformation, but I doubt it.
At least places like China and Japan aren't that backwards, they are
still working with embryonic stem cells. We'll have to buy the cures
from them.
RCC, Dark Ages. Keep it out of your life.
W.T.S.
7e492e...@a11g2000vbn.googlegroups.com>, nyi...@bellsouth.net
says...
>
> On Sep 3, 5:49 pm, "W.T.S." <m...@earthlink.net> wrote:
> > In article <034233f3-c63c-4439-be70-
> > 76da4f3a7...@q40g2000prg.googlegroups.com>, nyik...@bellsouth.net
> > says...
> >
> > > On Sep 3, 8:20 am, David <da...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > Peter B wrote:
> >
> > > > > "W.T.S." <m...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
> > > > >news:MPG.26e92554a...@news.west.earthlink.net...
> > > > >> In article <4c7f3...@news.x-privat.org>, .@. says...
> >
> >
> > > > >> People will suffer and die because of the religious filth thinks a few
> > > > >> cells in a dish should be considered human. That is the bottom line
> >
> > > No, the bottom line is financial. See repost of mine below from
> > > another thread that Chilton started in talk.abortion and other
> > > newsgroups.
> >
> what I wrote:
>
> > > -------------------- begin excerpts from post
> >
> > > Newsgroups: alt.politics.usa, alt.politics.homosexuality, alt.atheism,
> > > alt.bible, talk.abortion
> > > Local: Thurs, Sep 2 2010 10:34 pm
> > > Subject: Re: Obama Administration Now Seeking to BLOCK the Decision
> > > against federal funding of Embryonic Stem Cell Research
> >
> > > On Sep 2, 3:48 pm, "Pink Freud" <somewh...@here.com> wrote:
> >
> > > > "pnyikos" <nyik...@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
>
> Lying through his teeth, W.T.S. wrote a total misrepresentation of
> what I wrote, and was too cowardly to leave ANY of it in:
>
>
> > <snip> One of the longer spews of RCC disinformation and lying bull
> > shit, nonsense, and religious rants, evasions, misquotes and just
> > general insults to the intelligence of the Newsgroup users. </snip>
>
> Well, W.T.S., up to this post I have considered you to be a basically
> honest and sincere if terribly misguided fanatic, one who had the
> courage of his convictions, but now I see you are a dishonest
> coward.
>
>
> > It's amazing the lengths RCC filth and their fronts will go to in order
> > to advance their sick agendas. In this case, they want people killed
> > and maimed by cutting off the most promising lines of research into
> > embryonic stems cells.
>
> Are you venting your frustration over the fact that I did NOT give any
> of the RCC morality arguments against embryonic stem cell research,
> but honestly and sincerely gave reasons that you are so powerless to
> counter, that you had to delete them and lie about what I wrote?
>
uncertainty and doubt (FUD). _Nothing_ you printed had any relationship
to the true facts in the slightest.
>
> > They aren't even any good at it as they must've
> > flunked out of disinformation school! Why they think a petri dish is a
> > human is beyond me!
>
> That is NOT a reason I gave for opposing the sinking of billions into
> the bottomless pit of research into embryonic stem cells. In fact, I
> have gone on record many times as not favoring laws banning abortion
> before the 8th week past fertilization.
>
best hope for cures. Anything else is RCC disinformation.
Abortion on demand, federally funded, without argument or debate, and
without notification, now! Federally funded stem cell research on an
unlimited basis, now!
RCC, eat shit and die, now!
pnyikos
> In article <13a4a41b-3e12-44ba-a2ac-
> e3b3d5bc8...@y12g2000prb.googlegroups.com>, nyik...@bellsouth.net
Who do you think you are fooling, you hate-ravaged fanatic? You
snipped corrections to things you LEFT IN, some of which were
DEMONSTRATED TO BE lies, making YOU a pro-liar in the literal sense of
the word:
-------------- begin repost of deletia
Watch the dishonest use of "has" and "are" below, folks:
> Embryonic stem cell research has tremendously advanced our understanding of
> human development and medicine.
> With greater understanding there are more lives being saved.
You are flagrantly misrepresenting the following website--an avowedly
liberal one at that:
http://usliberals.about.com/od/stemcellresearch/i/StemCell1_2.htm
{Excerpt:}
Scientists see almost infinite value in the use of embryonic stem cell
research to understand human development and the growth and treatment
of dieases.
Actual cures are many years away, though, since research has not
progressed to the point where even one cure has yet been generated by
embryonic stem cell research.
{end of excerpt"
Got it, Gentle Readers? The first sentence in the excerpt talks about
(unidentified) scientists *seeing* things that they expect to come to
our understanding of human development [logically] and medicine [more
speculatively].
The second shows just how flagrantly "Less religion, more light"
misused the term, "there are more lives being saved".
"Less religion, more fog" would be a better moniker.
> Note also this absolutely laughable pro-life belief. (from the website).
> "Some staunch pro-lifers and most pro-life organizations regard the
> destruction of the blastocyst, which is a laboratory-fertilized human egg,
> to be the murder of human life. They believe that life begins at conception,
> and that destruction of this pre-born life is morally unacceptable."
> Lol! A blastocyst is a valid human being? Unbelievable!
Except to human embryologists, and those who are familiar with their
work. See _The Developing Human_, by Keith L. Moore et al, and _Human
Embryology and Teratology_, by Ronan O'Rahilly and Fabiola Muller.
I should qualify that: if the blastocyst is a normal one and not
something that will develop into a blighted ovum, hydatidiform mole,
or choriocarcinoma. The latter two are due to gross genetical
defects; I'm not sure about the first.
============ end of repost
Maybe we should nickname you, "Less religion, more darkness," W.T.S.
And
> They can't even make up good lies anymore. They
> need to go back to disinformation school. The only truth here is that
> embryonic stem cell research holds the most promise of saving lives and
> healing illness and injury.
Truth by Blatant Assertion, countered not only by what I wrote but by
also actual medical advances. Would you like to see some proof, or is
your head too deeply buried in the sand?
> But, pro-liars don't care.
You don't care, pro-liar. For once your words speak the truth, even
though you give the word "pro-liar" a slanderous meaning.
> They just dream
> up lie after lie after lie to spread FUD (fear, uncertainty and doubt).
That's you, all the way.
> They don't care who they maim or kill anymore, they just do it.
Oh, the irony! You'd even kill babies if it were legal, wouldn't you?
You've gone on record as wanting the human race to go extinct. Don't
deny it.
> If you
> want to protect yourselves, and future generations, vote out pro-lie
> supporters.
> Thank goodness this research continues in places like China and Japan!
Was that all a lie about the Chinese disasters when brains were
injected with daughter cells of ESC and tumors including hair and
teeth resulted?
The Chinese cures I've read about used "adult" stem cells, and you
deleted the documentation I provided and which your fellow pro-liar
"Less religion..." lied about.
> But, if anything shows just how sick and ugly the RCC and its fronts
> have become, it's this willingness to sacrifice _you_ on the altar of
> the pro-lie cause.
You are more pro-lie than anyone here, and you are willing to
sacrifice the whole human race.
I may drive you into the arms of Keegan & co. with this blast of mine,
but the truth and justice are more important to me than such
considerations.
Peter Nyikos
Less religion, more light
news:83294a76-0455-4481...@j5g2000vbg.googlegroups.com
> On Sep 3, 6:02 pm, "W.T.S." <m...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>> In article <13a4a41b-3e12-44ba-a2ac-
>> e3b3d5bc8...@y12g2000prb.googlegroups.com>, nyik...@bellsouth.net
>> says...
>
>
>> Embryonic stem cell research has tremendously advanced our
>> understanding of human development and medicine.
>> With greater understanding there are more lives being saved.
>
> You are flagrantly misrepresenting the following website--an avowedly
> liberal one at that:
> http://usliberals.about.com/od/stemcellresearch/i/StemCell1_2.htm
> {Excerpt:}
> Scientists see almost infinite value in the use of embryonic stem cell
> research to understand human development and the growth and treatment
> of dieases.
> Actual cures are many years away, though, since research has not
> progressed to the point where even one cure has yet been generated by
> embryonic stem cell research.
> {end of excerpt"
>
> Got it, Gentle Readers? The first sentence in the excerpt talks about
> (unidentified) scientists *seeing* things that they expect to come to
> our understanding of human development [logically] and medicine [more
> speculatively].
>
> The second shows just how flagrantly "Less religion, more light"
> misused the term, "there are more lives being saved".
>
> "Less religion, more fog" would be a better moniker.
>
You are going too much on what only one website says. It was just an
example.
I was referring more to the global phenomenon.
Website authors have to be careful what they say so they don't commit to
much.
If you do proper research you will see how much mankind has advanced its
knowledge due to this research.
Immediate physical results is not the only yardstick for evaluating
something like this.
pnyikos
<m...@optushome.com.au> wrote:
> "pnyikos" <nyik...@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
Of you misrepresenting a website. And I caught you misrepresenting
another in another post.
Post some more websites, so I can identify some more
misrepresentations. ;-)
> I was referring more to the global phenomenon.
The website on China that you cited had to do with non-embryonic stem
cells.
> Website authors have to be careful what they say so they don't commit to
> much.
> If you do proper research you will see how much mankind has advanced its
> knowledge due to this research.
You haven't done ANY of that "proper research," have you? You've
been posting websites that you haven't even properly read yourself!
Peter Nyikos