Catholic Church in State of Maine Steps up Fight against Same-Sex "Marriage" Bill
J
time an initiative has been on the ballot, it is safe to say the the
Catholic Church has become the 'voice of the people'. The people appear to
be returning to their moral roots.
http://www.lifesitenews.com/ldn/2009/sep/09090906.html
Catholic Church in State of Maine Steps up Fight against Same-Sex "Marriage"
Bill
By Thaddeus M. Baklinski
PORTLAND, Maine, September 9, 2009 (LifeSiteNews.com) - The Roman Catholic
Diocese of Portland will be asking its parishes to take a special second
collection this weekend (Sept. 12 - 13) to contribute to the campaign to
reverse the same-sex "marriage" law passed by the state Legislature,
according to an AP report.
Money raised in the special collection will go to support the efforts of the
Stand for Marriage Maine coalition, which is leading the campaign to prevent
the homosexual "marriage" bill from becoming law by means of a statewide
referendum on the November ballot.
The communications director of the Diocese of Portland, Sue Bernard, was not
available for comment on this weekend's special collection by press time.
Last week, LifeSiteNews.com reported that Stand for Marriage Maine had
collected and submitted for certification over 100,000 signatures, well over
the required 55,087 validated signatures needed to bring the referendum to a
vote. This forced Secretary of State Matt Dunlap to effect a stay on the
proposed law until voters make the final decision at the polls on November
3rd.
Stand for Marriage Maine campaign chairman Marc Mutty explained that Maine's
law provides for a People's Veto when politicians pass a law over the
objection of the people. The issue will appear as Question 1 on the November
ballot.
"More than 100,000 Mainers signed petitions to do what the legislature and
Governor did not: allow the people of Maine to participate in the decision
of legalizing homosexual marriage," Mutty said. "Preserving the definition
of marriage as between a man and woman is far too important an issue to be
left solely in the hands of elected officials, without the input, consent
or, perhaps, even knowledge of Mainers."
Maine Jeremiah Project director Bob Emrich expressed his thanks to the more
than 1,000 volunteers who circulated petitions statewide and the registered
Maine voters who signed them.
"The value of their work is made plain today," said Emrich. "It means the
issue of homosexual marriage and its consequences has been wrested from the
hands of politicians and placed in the hands of the voters. We are confident
that Mainers will support Question 1 and restore traditional marriage like
thirty other states have done before us."
Marc Mutty cautioned that the work is not over, but was confident in the
final outcome of the vote.
"Stand for Marriage Maine will make sure LD 1020 (the bill legalizing
homosexual 'marriage') gets the full public hearing it merits, in the form
of Question 1," said Mutty. "That is, at a minimum, what legislators who
voted for this - and Governor Baldacci, who signed it - should have but did
not do."
--
J Young
Jvis...@live.com
'You can't cheat an honest man' - W.C. Fields
Ray Fischer
>Evidenced by the results gay 'marriage' has had at the polls every single
>time an initiative has been on the ballot, it is safe to say the the
>Catholic Church has become the 'voice of the people'.
Which is why almost everybody disregards the demands of the Catholic
church.
--
Ray Fischer
rfis...@sonic.net
Seon
"J" <Jvis...@live.com> wrote in message
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> Evidenced by the results gay 'marriage' has had at the polls every single
> time an initiative has been on the ballot, it is safe to say the the
> Catholic Church has become the 'voice of the people'. The people appear to
> be returning to their moral roots.
>
Oh my God I hope not. That would mean the people want Pedophilia to be
covered up. That's nasty.
Patrick
Because they are immoral self absorbed ass wipes like you.....
Global Society
"Seon" <seo...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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>
>
> "J" <Jvis...@live.com> wrote in message
> news:346qde....@news.alt.net...
>> Evidenced by the results gay 'marriage' has had at the polls every single
>> time an initiative has been on the ballot, it is safe to say the the
>> Catholic Church has become the 'voice of the people'. The people appear
>> to be returning to their moral roots.
>>
> Oh my God I hope not. That would mean the people want Pedophilia to be
> covered up. That's nasty.
>
says peadophile and homosexual pervert Seon.
Syd
> Evidenced by the results gay 'marriage' has had at the polls every single
> time an initiative has been on the ballot, it is safe to say the the
> Catholic Church has become the 'voice of the people'.
You misspelled 'bigots,' IBen.
PDW
Syd
> "Ray Fischer" <rfisc...@sonic.net> wrote ...
>
> >J <Jvisi...@live.com> wrote:
> >>Evidenced by the results gay 'marriage' has had at the polls every single
> >>time an initiative has been on the ballot, it is safe to say the the
> >>Catholic Church has become the 'voice of the people'.
>
> > Which is why almost everybody disregards the demands of the Catholic
> > church.
>
> Because they are immoral self absorbed ass wipes like you.....
And not moral facists like you.
PDW
Syd
> "Seon" <seo...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:4aa8a412$0$27609$5a62...@per-qv1-newsreader-01.iinet.net.au...
>
>
>
> >news:346qde....@news.alt.net...
> >> Evidenced by the results gay 'marriage' has had at the polls every single
> >> time an initiative has been on the ballot, it is safe to say the the
> >> Catholic Church has become the 'voice of the people'. The people appear
> >> to be returning to their moral roots.
>
> > Oh my God I hope not. That would mean the people want Pedophilia to be
> > covered up. That's nasty.
>
> says peadophile and homosexual pervert Seon.
and the moral facists again indulge in name calling and unsupported
assertions and lies.
PDW
Jimbo
> "Ray Fischer" <rfisc...@sonic.net> wrote ...
>
> >>Evidenced by the results gay 'marriage' has had at the polls every single
> >>time an initiative has been on the ballot, it is safe to say the the
> >>Catholic Church has become the 'voice of the people'.
>
> > Which is why almost everybody disregards the demands of the Catholic
> > church.
>
> Because they are immoral self absorbed ass wipes like you.....
The Catholic Church enabled pedophile, even providing them with fresh
victims. The Catholic Church is immoral.
--sexkitten--
> Evidenced by the results gay 'marriage' has had at the polls every single
> time an initiative has been on the ballot, it is safe to say the the
> Catholic Church has become the 'voice of the people'.
You misspelled pedophile.
With any luck, this "voice of the pe[d]op[hi]le" will hear an echo
from the Voice of the IRS, wanting to discuss the terms of their 501c3
status.
> 'You can't cheat an honest man' - W.C. Fields
"Whoever said you can't cheat an honest man, wasn't one."~Terry
Pratchett
tirebiter
If these polls were taken 50 years ago and "same sex" was replaced
with "mixed race", the RCC crowd would have had similar results.
I predict that we are within 3 decades of having same sex marriages
being legal at the national level. We just need another generation to
shake out the unwarranted homophobia that is ingrained in older
generations.
---
a.a. #2273
juanjo
> time an initiative has been on the ballot, it is safe to say the the
> Catholic Church has become the 'voice of the people'. The people appear to
> be returning to their moral roots.
>
revoked for their meddling in politics in the various states of the
union. That a bunch of lace dress clad pedophiles in the Vatican can
meddle with impunity in the political life of this country is a
disgrace.
I personally do not give a rat's patootie if the Roman Catholic Church
wants to peddle its superstitions to its congregations but their
repeated attempts to interfere in the secular affairs of this country
is disgusting and a violation of the Constitution and the laws of this
country. We have no state religion in this country and the sooner
that Prada wearing pedophile Pope learns that the better.
duke
wrote:
>On Sep 9, 11:03�pm, "J" <Jvisi...@live.com> wrote:
>> Evidenced by the results gay 'marriage' has had at the polls every single
>> time an initiative has been on the ballot, it is safe to say the the
>> Catholic Church has become the 'voice of the people'. The people appear to
>> be returning to their moral roots.
>>
>It is time that the tax exempt status of the Roman Catholic Church is
>revoked for their meddling in politics in the various states of the
>union.
Sorry, but the RCC does not meddle in politics. It's is religiously against
queer sex, queer marriage, abortion. There is NO declared support for a
specific program.
The Dukester, American-American
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
*****
RamRod Sword of Baal
"duke" <duckg...@cox.net> wrote in message
news:vigia5d2mr80t8jbg...@4ax.com...
> On Thu, 10 Sep 2009 10:59:35 -0700 (PDT), juanjo <jonp...@mindspring.com>
> wrote:
>
>>On Sep 9, 11:03 pm, "J" <Jvisi...@live.com> wrote:
>>> Evidenced by the results gay 'marriage' has had at the polls every
>>> single
>>> time an initiative has been on the ballot, it is safe to say the the
>>> Catholic Church has become the 'voice of the people'. The people appear
>>> to
>>> be returning to their moral roots.
>>>
>>It is time that the tax exempt status of the Roman Catholic Church is
>>revoked for their meddling in politics in the various states of the
>>union.
>
> Sorry, but the RCC does not meddle in politics.
There are none so blind as those who do not wish to see and Duke is the
blindest of the blind!
--sexkitten--
> On Thu, 10 Sep 2009 10:59:35 -0700 (PDT), juanjo <jonpe...@mindspring.com>
> wrote:
>
> >On Sep 9, 11:03 pm, "J" <Jvisi...@live.com> wrote:
> >> Evidenced by the results gay 'marriage' has had at the polls every single
> >> time an initiative has been on the ballot, it is safe to say the the
> >> Catholic Church has become the 'voice of the people'. The people appear to
> >> be returning to their moral roots.
>
> >It is time that the tax exempt status of the Roman Catholic Church is
> >revoked for their meddling in politics in the various states of the
> >union.
>
> Sorry, but the RCC does not meddle in politics. It's is religiously against
> queer sex, queer marriage, abortion. There is NO declared support for a
> specific program.
Oh good! So you're saying they have no actual objection to the
*legality* of any of the above, and won't actively pursue any
legislation on them?
I sure hope they know you're speaking on their behalf.
Jimbo
> On Thu, 10 Sep 2009 10:59:35 -0700 (PDT), juanjo <jonpe...@mindspring.com>
> wrote:
>
> >On Sep 9, 11:03 pm, "J" <Jvisi...@live.com> wrote:
> >> Evidenced by the results gay 'marriage' has had at the polls every single
> >> time an initiative has been on the ballot, it is safe to say the the
> >> Catholic Church has become the 'voice of the people'. The people appear to
> >> be returning to their moral roots.
>
> >It is time that the tax exempt status of the Roman Catholic Church is
> >revoked for their meddling in politics in the various states of the
> >union.
>
> Sorry, but the RCC does not meddle in politics.
Liar, they are doing so now in Maine.
J
"tirebiter" <dontsp...@bigfoot.com> wrote in message
news:f31c20e2-5cb7-422b...@x37g2000yqj.googlegroups.com...
If these polls were taken 50 years ago and "same sex" was replaced
with "mixed race", the RCC crowd would have had similar results.
////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////
This is the most foolish of all the arguments put foward by the enemies of
traditional marriage. No vote was *ever* taken about mixed race marriages;
liberal loons just assume what the results would be. In my town, we've had a
Chinaman and Mexican woman who have been married for many, many years and no
one has ever had any problems. The same neighbors would all oppose two
'married' men living in the community. Both stances are in line with the
teachings of the RCC.
W.T.S.
news:346qde....@news.alt.net...
> Evidenced by the results gay 'marriage' has had at the polls every single
> time an initiative has been on the ballot, it is safe to say the the
> Catholic Church has become the 'voice of the people'. The people appear to
> be returning to their moral roots.
> http://www.lifesitenews.com/ldn/2009/sep/09090906.html
JohnN
> time an initiative has been on the ballot, it is safe to say the the
> Catholic Church has become the 'voice of the people'. The people appear to
> be returning to their moral roots.
>
> http://www.lifesitenews.com/ldn/2009/sep/09090906.html
>
> Catholic Church in State of Maine Steps up Fight against Same-Sex "Marriage"
> Bill
>
> By Thaddeus M. Baklinski
>
> PORTLAND, Maine, September 9, 2009 (LifeSiteNews.com) - The Roman Catholic
> Diocese of Portland will be asking its parishes to take a special second
> collection this weekend (Sept. 12 - 13) to contribute to the campaign to
> reverse the same-sex "marriage" law passed by the state Legislature,
> according to an AP report.
>
> Money raised in the special collection will go to support the efforts of the
> Stand for Marriage Maine coalition, which is leading the campaign to prevent
> the homosexual "marriage" bill from becoming law by means of a statewide
> referendum on the November ballot.
I so hope part of the money collected will pay someone in the campaigh
to list the actual harm same-gender marriage posses. I mean real harm
like death, divorce, smog, or anything.
JohnN
Patrick
news:9cab4e8d-2817-4cfd...@y21g2000yqn.googlegroups.com...
Pat-- Nah, it was an experiment perpetrated by fags. The APA claimed
that they could cure them pedophiles, and they lied.
Patrick
> Patrick" <bark...@erinot.com>> in alt.abortion with message-id
> More and more are becoming inoculated against it
And your purpose here is to help me see the light?
> Pro-Choice is Pro-Freedom
Pro-choice is no choice at all for the innocent victim.
It is just convenience for some mama.
haiku jones
> "tirebiter" <dontspamme...@bigfoot.com> wrote in message
>
> news:f31c20e2-5cb7-422b...@x37g2000yqj.googlegroups.com...
>
> If these polls were taken 50 years ago and "same sex" was replaced
> with "mixed race", the RCC crowd would have had similar results.
>
> ////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////
>
> This is the most foolish of all the arguments put foward by the enemies of
> traditional marriage. No vote was *ever* taken about mixed race marriages;
Oh really?
Then how did it come to pass that as late as the 1940s 38 states
still had laws prohibiting such mixed-race marriages. Did Moses
bring these laws down from the Mount Sinai?
> liberal loons just assume what the results would be. In my town, we've had a
> Chinaman
Haiku Jones
> and Mexican woman who have been married for many, many years and no
> one has ever had any problems. The same neighbors would all oppose two
> 'married' men living in the community. Both stances are in line with the
> teachings of the RCC.
>
> --
> J Young
Jimbo
> "tirebiter" <dontspamme...@bigfoot.com> wrote in message
>
> news:f31c20e2-5cb7-422b...@x37g2000yqj.googlegroups.com...
>
> If these polls were taken 50 years ago and "same sex" was replaced
> with "mixed race", the RCC crowd would have had similar results.
>
> ////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////
>
> This is the most foolish of all the arguments
But it exactly true. I was in my teens 50 years ago, and the same
people and groups who are whining now about same sex marriage, were
whining then about mixed race marriages.
Jimbo
> "Jimbo" <ckdbig...@gmail.com> wrote in message
The fags didn't write out a "letter of silence" to protect pedophiles,
the Catholic Church did, straight from the Vaitican in fact. The fags
didn't protect pedophiles and transfer them to new "hunting grounds"
instead of turning them over to the appropriate civil authority, the
Catholic Church did.
Sorry bub, but you can't blame the fags for the decades, and probably
centuries long cover-up.
Codebreaker
WHERE WAS IT? AND WHY NOW?
> Evidenced by the results gay 'marriage' has had at the polls every single
> time an initiative has been on the ballot, it is safe to say the the
> Catholic Church has become the 'voice of the people'. The people appear to
> be returning to their moral roots.
>
> http://www.lifesitenews.com/ldn/2009/sep/09090906.html
>
> Catholic Church in State of Maine Steps up Fight against Same-Sex "Marriage"
> Bill
>
> By Thaddeus M. Baklinski
>
> PORTLAND, Maine, September 9, 2009 (LifeSiteNews.com) - The Roman Catholic
> Diocese of Portland will be asking its parishes to take a special second
> collection this weekend (Sept. 12 - 13) to contribute to the campaign to
> reverse the same-sex "marriage" law passed by the state Legislature,
> according to an AP report.
>
> Money raised in the special collection will go to support the efforts of the
> Stand for Marriage Maine coalition, which is leading the campaign to prevent
> the homosexual "marriage" bill from becoming law by means of a statewide
> referendum on the November ballot.
>
Syd
> wrote:
>
> >On Sep 9, 11:03 pm, "J" <Jvisi...@live.com> wrote:
> >> Evidenced by the results gay 'marriage' has had at the polls every single
> >> time an initiative has been on the ballot, it is safe to say the the
> >> Catholic Church has become the 'voice of the people'. The people appear to
> >> be returning to their moral roots.
>
> >It is time that the tax exempt status of the Roman Catholic Church is
> >revoked for their meddling in politics in the various states of the
> >union.
>
> Sorry, but the RCC does not meddle in politics. It's is religiously against
> queer sex, queer marriage, abortion. There is NO declared support for a
> specific program.
>
>
Tell that to all the politicians it's threatened to get them to vote
the Vatican's way, Dork.
PDW
Syd
And have been meddling for years.
PDW
Syd
> "Attila" <<procho...@here.now> wrote ...
>
>
>
> > Patrick" <barker...@erinot.com>> in alt.abortion with message-id
> >>>>Evidenced by the results gay 'marriage' has had at the polls every
> >>>>single
> >>>>time an initiative has been on the ballot, it is safe to say the the
> >>>>Catholic Church has become the 'voice of the people'.
>
> >>> Which is why almost everybody disregards the demands of the Catholic
> >>> church.
>
> >>Because they are immoral self absorbed ass wipes like you.....
>
> > Because that is simply one strain of the disease known as religion.
> > More and more are becoming inoculated against it
>
> And your purpose here is to help me see the light?
>
> > Pro-Choice is Pro-Freedom
>
> Pro-choice is no choice at all for the innocent victim.
> It is just convenience for some mama.
Boy, your just a real ignorant fuckwit, aren't you?
PDW
WangoTango
@cox.net says...
> queer sex, queer marriage, abortion.
>
Catholicism, diddle little boys for 2000 years......
haiku jones
> wrote:
>
> >On Sep 9, 11:03 pm, "J" <Jvisi...@live.com> wrote:
> >> Evidenced by the results gay 'marriage' has had at the polls every single
> >> time an initiative has been on the ballot, it is safe to say the the
> >> Catholic Church has become the 'voice of the people'. The people appear to
> >> be returning to their moral roots.
>
> >It is time that the tax exempt status of the Roman Catholic Church is
> >revoked for their meddling in politics in the various states of the
> >union.
>
> Sorry, but the RCC does not meddle in politics.
A bishop threatening to withhold communion from
parishoners who vote the wrong way is not
meddling in politics?
Haiku Jones
Michael
The good news is we have wingnuts like J who are loyal catholics. The
rcc needs the cash flow to pay off all the lawsuits for protecting their
pedophile clergy.
Many rcc churches have been closed and sold to pay off these lawsuits. I
watched a priest in Portland Oregon on television. The media stuck a mic
in his face and asked him why he did it. He blamed the children. He said
they all came on to him. Of course this was before the rcc lawyers got
him to shut up.
J would like this cover up to continue. I also suspect he believes that
the priests are entitled to rape children. It was in the name of Jesus.
Every catholic like J knows that you are entitled to commit any atrocity
if it is done in the name of god.
It must be great to be so holy that you are entitled to break any moral
laws. No wonder J loves the church.
Michael
Michael
is more deserving of protection than all the post born people without
the means to buy medical care.
Patrick figures, "I got my insurance, screw all these post born
paupers." He just loves those eggs with a sperm sticking out the side.
He should form a new church. He could get a lot of people to worship
that symbol and make a lot of money of the great unwashed, uneducated,
christian idiots. Patrick believes that god is actually a fertilized
egg. That is what he worships.
Michael
Michael
anyone would not like the idea of a catholic priest raping a child. This
is of course, part of his religion.
J believes that two gay men having sex represent the worst thing in the
world, yet he approves of priests raping children. J is so brainwashed
that he believes that priests have that right.
go figure
Michael
Jimbo
>
> - Show quoted text -
Quite true.
Brian E. Clark
<nNWdnRpODu3txzTX...@posted.localnet>,
bark...@erinot.com says...
> > Pro-Choice is Pro-Freedom
>
> Pro-choice is no choice at all for the innocent victim.
> It is just convenience for some mama.
If raping altar boys led pregnancy, the church would be
loudly pro-choice.
--
-----------
Brian E. Clark
RamRod Sword of Baal
> On Sep 10, 11:17 am, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
>>
>> Sorry, but the RCC does not meddle in politics.
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Los Angeles, Oct. 18, 2004 (CWNews.com) -
A consultant to the Vatican has said Democratic presidential candidate John
Kerry has incurred the penalty of excommunication from the Catholic Church.
The consultant made his statement in a highly unusual letter to Marc
Balestrieri, a Los Angeles canon lawyer who formally sued John Kerry in
ecclesiastical court for heresy.
Balestrieri, who launched his case earlier this year by filing a heresy
complaint in Kerry's home archdiocese of Boston, told EWTN's "World Over"
program on Friday that he had received an unusual, indirect communication
from the Vatican's Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith regarding the
pro-abortion stance.
That communication provides a basis, he said, to declare that any Catholic
politician who says he is "personally opposed to abortion, but supports a
woman's right to choose," incurs automatic excommunication. It also provided
a basis for Balestrieri to broaden his canonical actions and file additional
complaints against four more pro-abortion Catholic politicians: Democrat
Senators Ted Kennedy of Massachusetts and Tom Harkin of Iowa; Republican
Senator Susan Collins of Maine; and former New York Governor Mario Cuomo, a
Democrat.
The current action could be significant as it could undercut the entire
debate over denying Communion to pro-abortion politicians. An excommunicated
Catholic may not receive any of the sacraments of the Church, including the
Eucharist, marriage, and even Christian burial. The type of excommunication
outlined in the new information is called latae sententiae, which means that
it occurs automatically and does not require a formal pronouncement by any
Church official.
The Chief Instigator
>Evidenced by the results gay 'marriage' has had at the polls every single
>time an initiative has been on the ballot, it is safe to say the the
>Catholic Church has become the 'voice of the people'. The people appear to
>be returning to their moral roots.
You appear to support anything that gets you attention, <J>unkie.
>http://www.liesitenews.com/ldn/2009/sep/09090906.html
>Catholic Church in State of Maine Steps up Fight against Same-Sex "Marriage"
>Bill
Tell them to mind their own goddamned business, and if they refuse? Bomb the
Vatican. This nation obeys the Constitution, not some brain-damaged pope.
--
Patrick L. "The Chief Instigator" Humphrey (pat...@io.com) Houston, Texas
www.io.com/~patrick/aeros.php (TCI's 2008-09 Houston Aeros) AA#2273
LAST GAME: Manitoba 3, Houston 1 (May 25: Moose advance, 4-2)
NEXT GAME: Saturday, October 2 at Manitoba, 7:35
Ray Fischer
>>victims. The Catholic Church is immoral.
>
>Pat-- Nah, it was an experiment perpetrated by fags.
To perverts like Patrick, molesting little girls doesn't count.
It's expected.
--
Ray Fischer
rfis...@sonic.net
Ray Fischer
>
>"tirebiter" <dontsp...@bigfoot.com> wrote in message
>news:f31c20e2-5cb7-422b...@x37g2000yqj.googlegroups.com...
>
>If these polls were taken 50 years ago and "same sex" was replaced
>with "mixed race", the RCC crowd would have had similar results.
>
>
>
>////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////
>
>
>
>This is the most foolish of all the arguments put foward by the enemies of
>traditional marriage.
The only enemies of marriage are you nazi turds.
--
Ray Fischer
rfis...@sonic.net
Dionisio
> I so hope part of the money collected will pay someone in the campaigh
> to list the actual harm same-gender marriage posses. I mean real harm
> like death, divorce, smog, or anything.
Try not to die laughing, but I can see it now.
An environmentally-friendly Republican arguing that homosexual marriages harm society
because they make folks want to redecorate -- and possibly paint -- rooms. And you just
know that some paints have those rumored "Volatile Organic Compounds" that harm the ozone...
Then again, I could be high. An environmentally-friendly Republican?!?
--
And the Thought of the Moment (TM) is:
"Let's agree with the opponents today, just for the moment, and say that homosexuality is
a choice. Well, one may also consider religion a choice. In the last millennium, Jews were
told, 'Being Jewish is a choice. Become a Christian and we won't kill you. Go kneel -- Go
kiss the cross,' but they would not. Why? Because the way we choose to love the divine is
part of our very essence, part of who we are. Just as who we choose to love is part of our
very essence, our humanness."
-- Sheila Kuehl, January 10, 1996
(Brought to you by SigChanger. http://www.phranc.nl)
Dionisio
> Evidenced by the results gay 'marriage' has had at the polls every single
> time an initiative has been on the ballot, it is safe to say the the
> Catholic Church has become the 'voice of the people'. The people appear to
> be returning to their moral roots.
Note date of release.
Note date that latest state "okayed" a certain something.
"God" operates on a "time delay" it seems...
> PORTLAND, Maine, September 9, 2009 (LifeSiteNews.com) - The Roman Catholic
> Diocese of Portland will be asking its parishes to take a special second
> collection this weekend (Sept. 12 - 13) to contribute to the campaign to
> reverse the same-sex "marriage" law passed by the state Legislature,
> according to an AP report.
Hmm... An open flouting of election law too.
Gotta love the "morality" of those Catholics...
> "Stand for Marriage Maine will make sure LD 1020 (the bill legalizing
> homosexual 'marriage') gets the full public hearing it merits, in the form
> of Question 1," said Mutty. "That is, at a minimum, what legislators who
> voted for this - and Governor Baldacci, who signed it - should have but did
> not do."
<giggle>
And will their lives be examined in equally detailed detail?
"Mutty" is more than a last name, it's a descriptive term it seems. LOL!
--
And the Thought of the Moment (TM) is:
"Life" insurance was a death benefit payable to the survivors of the insuree, so that they
might exist despite the loss of income brought about by the person's demise.
"Death" insurance was the opposite. In this age it was possible -- and, indeed,
commercially feasible -- to reanimate the dead. The insuree was by this policy guaranteed
the right to stay dead, in whole or in part, once his mortal term was over. The certainty
of death had become one of humanity's most important rights. DIA would spare no expense,
up to the face value of the policy, to see that no insuree lived again against his will.
-- From _Hard Sell_ by Piers Anthony
Dionisio
> This is the most foolish of all the arguments put foward by the enemies of
> traditional marriage. No vote was *ever* taken about mixed race marriages;
"Dem 'Jim Crow' Laws, dey just sprouted by de'selves. I swear they wuz like kudzu,
couldn't get rid of 'em..."
Right?
--
And the Thought of the Moment (TM) is:
The hard part about being a bartender is figuring out who is drunk and who is just stupid.
--Richard Braunstein
The Chief Instigator
> On Thu, 10 Sep 2009 10:59:35 -0700 (PDT), juanjo <jonp...@mindspring.com>
> wrote:
>
>>On Sep 9, 11:03?pm, "J" <Jvisi...@live.com> wrote:
>>> Evidenced by the results gay 'marriage' has had at the polls every single
>>> time an initiative has been on the ballot, it is safe to say the the
>>> Catholic Church has become the 'voice of the people'. The people appear to
>>> be returning to their moral roots.
>>>
>>revoked for their meddling in politics in the various states of the
>>union.
>
> queer sex, queer marriage, abortion. There is NO declared support for a
> specific program.
Thanks for confessing that you're completely clueless about the
mandated sparation of church and state, with your Cathoholics trying
to impose that on Maine.
�R. L. Measures
<duckg...@cox.net> wrote:
> On Thu, 10 Sep 2009 10:59:35 -0700 (PDT), juanjo <jonp...@mindspring.com>
> wrote:
>
> >On Sep 9, 11:03�pm, "J" <Jvisi...@live.com> wrote:
> >> Evidenced by the results gay 'marriage' has had at the polls every single
> >> time an initiative has been on the ballot, it is safe to say the the
> >> Catholic Church has become the 'voice of the people'. The people appear to
> >> be returning to their moral roots.
> >>
> >It is time that the tax exempt status of the Roman Catholic Church is
> >revoked for their meddling in politics in the various states of the
> >union.
>
> Sorry, but the RCC does not meddle in politics. ...
� The insurance ibdustry is the largest lobby in the state capital of
Sacramento California., and the 2nd largest is the Roman Catholic Church
lobby. When I was in high-school, thanks largely to the RCC lobby, it
was illegal to sell condoms to anyone under the age of 21.
--
R.L. Measures. 805-386-3734, www.somis.org
�R. L. Measures
Sword of Baal" <ram...@truthonly.com> wrote:
> "duke" <duckg...@cox.net> wrote in message
> news:vigia5d2mr80t8jbg...@4ax.com...
> > On Thu, 10 Sep 2009 10:59:35 -0700 (PDT), juanjo <jonp...@mindspring.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> >>On Sep 9, 11:03 pm, "J" <Jvisi...@live.com> wrote:
> >>> Evidenced by the results gay 'marriage' has had at the polls every
> >>> single
> >>> time an initiative has been on the ballot, it is safe to say the the
> >>> Catholic Church has become the 'voice of the people'. The people appear
> >>> to
> >>> be returning to their moral roots.
> >>>
> >>It is time that the tax exempt status of the Roman Catholic Church is
> >>revoked for their meddling in politics in the various states of the
> >>union.
> >
> > Sorry, but the RCC does not meddle in politics.
>
>
>
> There are none so blind as those who do not wish to see and Duke is the
> blindest of the blind!
** Was Duke duped?
�R. L. Measures
<<proc...@here.now> wrote:
> On Thu, 10 Sep 2009 13:17:17 -0500, duke <duckg...@cox.net> in
> alt.abortion with message-id
> <vigia5d2mr80t8jbg...@4ax.com> wrote:
>
> >On Thu, 10 Sep 2009 10:59:35 -0700 (PDT), juanjo <jonp...@mindspring.com>
> >wrote:
> >
> >>On Sep 9, 11:03�pm, "J" <Jvisi...@live.com> wrote:
> >>> Evidenced by the results gay 'marriage' has had at the polls every single
> >>> time an initiative has been on the ballot, it is safe to say the the
> >>> Catholic Church has become the 'voice of the people'. The people appear to
> >>> be returning to their moral roots.
> >>>
> >>It is time that the tax exempt status of the Roman Catholic Church is
> >>revoked for their meddling in politics in the various states of the
> >>union.
> >
> >Sorry, but the RCC does not meddle in politics. It's is religiously against
> >queer sex, queer marriage, abortion.
>
> That's meddling in politics.
>
� ... which is why they have a lobby in Sacramento, CA.
�R. L. Measures
<528312a2-392f-4e16...@q7g2000yqi.googlegroups.com>, Syd
<pdwri...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Sep 10, 3:30=A0pm, Jimbo <ckdbig...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Sep 10, 2:17=A0pm, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
> >
> > > On Thu, 10 Sep 2009 10:59:35 -0700 (PDT), juanjo <jonpe...@mindspring.c=
> om>
> > > wrote:
> >
> > > >On Sep 9, 11:03=A0pm, "J" <Jvisi...@live.com> wrote:
> > > >> Evidenced by the results gay 'marriage' has had at the polls every s=
> ingle
> > > >> time an initiative has been on the ballot, it is safe to say the the
> > > >> Catholic Church has become the 'voice of the people'. The people app=
> ear to
> > > >> be returning to their moral roots.
> >
> > > >It is time that the tax exempt status of the Roman Catholic Church is
> > > >revoked for their meddling in politics in the various states of the
> > > >union.
> >
> > > Sorry, but the RCC does not meddle in politics. =A0
> >
> > Liar, they are doing so now in Maine.
>
> And have been meddling for years.
>
** Indeed. And in Ireland, thanks to the RCC, condoms were at one time
contraband.
�R. L. Measures
WangoTango <Asga...@mindspring.com> wrote:
� The RCC did not take shape until after 300AD.
duke
wrote:
>
>"duke" <duckg...@cox.net> wrote in message
>news:vigia5d2mr80t8jbg...@4ax.com...
>> On Thu, 10 Sep 2009 10:59:35 -0700 (PDT), juanjo <jonp...@mindspring.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>On Sep 9, 11:03 pm, "J" <Jvisi...@live.com> wrote:
>>>> Evidenced by the results gay 'marriage' has had at the polls every
>>>> single
>>>> time an initiative has been on the ballot, it is safe to say the the
>>>> Catholic Church has become the 'voice of the people'. The people appear
>>>> to
>>>> be returning to their moral roots.
>>>>
>>>It is time that the tax exempt status of the Roman Catholic Church is
>>>revoked for their meddling in politics in the various states of the
>>>union.
>>
>> Sorry, but the RCC does not meddle in politics.
>There are none so blind as those who do not wish to see and Duke is the
>blindest of the blind!
Name me one thing that the RCC does to meddle in politics. The public position
of the RCC came long, long before communication skills bypassed script.
You can't do it.
duke
wrote:
>On Sep 10, 11:17�am, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
>> On Thu, 10 Sep 2009 10:59:35 -0700 (PDT), juanjo <jonpe...@mindspring.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >On Sep 9, 11:03�pm, "J" <Jvisi...@live.com> wrote:
>> >> Evidenced by the results gay 'marriage' has had at the polls every single
>> >> time an initiative has been on the ballot, it is safe to say the the
>> >> Catholic Church has become the 'voice of the people'. The people appear to
>> >> be returning to their moral roots.
>>
>> >It is time that the tax exempt status of the Roman Catholic Church is
>> >revoked for their meddling in politics in the various states of the
>> >union.
>>
>> Sorry, but the RCC does not meddle in politics. �It's is religiously against
>> queer sex, queer marriage, abortion. �There is NO declared support for a
>> specific program.
>Oh good! So you're saying they have no actual objection to the
>*legality* of any of the above, and won't actively pursue any
>legislation on them?
Absolutely none. The Church position remains known re obvious wrongs for
humans to do. These include queer sex, civil contracts of queers, and abortion,
artificial birth control, etc.
>I sure hope they know you're speaking on their behalf.
They know I'm repeating their position. Never have I seen the church tell us
to go forth and pursue legislation.
duke
>On Sep 10, 2:17�pm, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
>> On Thu, 10 Sep 2009 10:59:35 -0700 (PDT), juanjo <jonpe...@mindspring.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >On Sep 9, 11:03�pm, "J" <Jvisi...@live.com> wrote:
>> >> Evidenced by the results gay 'marriage' has had at the polls every single
>> >> time an initiative has been on the ballot, it is safe to say the the
>> >> Catholic Church has become the 'voice of the people'. The people appear to
>> >> be returning to their moral roots.
>>
>> >It is time that the tax exempt status of the Roman Catholic Church is
>> >revoked for their meddling in politics in the various states of the
>> >union.
>>
>> Sorry, but the RCC does not meddle in politics. �
>Liar, they are doing so now in Maine.
Gosh, you're so unsure you can't even identify the item.
Jimbo
> On Thu, 10 Sep 2009 18:43:44 GMT, "RamRod Sword of Baal" <ram...@truthonly.com>
> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> >news:vigia5d2mr80t8jbg...@4ax.com...
> >> On Thu, 10 Sep 2009 10:59:35 -0700 (PDT), juanjo <jonpe...@mindspring.com>
> >> wrote:
>
> >>>On Sep 9, 11:03 pm, "J" <Jvisi...@live.com> wrote:
> >>>> Evidenced by the results gay 'marriage' has had at the polls every
> >>>> single
> >>>> time an initiative has been on the ballot, it is safe to say the the
> >>>> Catholic Church has become the 'voice of the people'. The people appear
> >>>> to
> >>>> be returning to their moral roots.
>
> >>>It is time that the tax exempt status of the Roman Catholic Church is
> >>>revoked for their meddling in politics in the various states of the
> >>>union.
>
> >> Sorry, but the RCC does not meddle in politics.
> >There are none so blind as those who do not wish to see and Duke is the
> >blindest of the blind!
>
> Name me one thing that the RCC does to meddle in politics. The public position
> of the RCC came long, long before communication skills bypassed script.
>
> You can't do it.
It's already been done. Read the article posted earlier.
duke
>On Thu, 10 Sep 2009 13:17:17 -0500, duke <duckg...@cox.net> in
>alt.abortion with message-id
><vigia5d2mr80t8jbg...@4ax.com> wrote:
>
>>On Thu, 10 Sep 2009 10:59:35 -0700 (PDT), juanjo <jonp...@mindspring.com>
>>wrote:
>>
>>>On Sep 9, 11:03�pm, "J" <Jvisi...@live.com> wrote:
>>>> Evidenced by the results gay 'marriage' has had at the polls every single
>>>> time an initiative has been on the ballot, it is safe to say the the
>>>> Catholic Church has become the 'voice of the people'. The people appear to
>>>> be returning to their moral roots.
>>>>
>>>It is time that the tax exempt status of the Roman Catholic Church is
>>>revoked for their meddling in politics in the various states of the
>>>union.
>>
>>Sorry, but the RCC does not meddle in politics. It's is religiously against
>>queer sex, queer marriage, abortion.
>
>That's meddling in politics.
Nope, that position came thousands of years before politics.
Jimbo
> On Thu, 10 Sep 2009 11:49:29 -0700 (PDT), --sexkitten-- <ladyhawk....@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> >On Sep 10, 11:17 am, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
> >> On Thu, 10 Sep 2009 10:59:35 -0700 (PDT), juanjo <jonpe...@mindspring.com>
> >> wrote:
>
> >> >On Sep 9, 11:03 pm, "J" <Jvisi...@live.com> wrote:
> >> >> Evidenced by the results gay 'marriage' has had at the polls every single
> >> >> time an initiative has been on the ballot, it is safe to say the the
> >> >> Catholic Church has become the 'voice of the people'. The people appear to
> >> >> be returning to their moral roots.
>
> >> >It is time that the tax exempt status of the Roman Catholic Church is
> >> >revoked for their meddling in politics in the various states of the
> >> >union.
>
> >> Sorry, but the RCC does not meddle in politics. It's is religiously against
> >> queer sex, queer marriage, abortion. There is NO declared support for a
> >> specific program.
> >Oh good! So you're saying they have no actual objection to the
> >*legality* of any of the above, and won't actively pursue any
> >legislation on them?
>
> Absolutely none.
Yeah, that's why the church has pumped millions of dollars into
poitical issues. Go lie to someone else duke.
duke
>In article <vigia5d2mr80t8jbg...@4ax.com>, duckgumbo32
>@cox.net says...
>> queer sex, queer marriage, abortion.
>>
>I guess that's the only way to keep those faggot priests in line.
>
>Catholicism, diddle little boys for 2000 years......
According to collegiate Psychology, the step father is the biggest abuser of
children.
duke
wrote:
>On Sep 10, 11:17 am, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
>> On Thu, 10 Sep 2009 10:59:35 -0700 (PDT), juanjo <jonpe...@mindspring.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >On Sep 9, 11:03 pm, "J" <Jvisi...@live.com> wrote:
>> >> Evidenced by the results gay 'marriage' has had at the polls every single
>> >> time an initiative has been on the ballot, it is safe to say the the
>> >> Catholic Church has become the 'voice of the people'. The people appear to
>> >> be returning to their moral roots.
>>
>> >It is time that the tax exempt status of the Roman Catholic Church is
>> >revoked for their meddling in politics in the various states of the
>> >union.
>>
>> Sorry, but the RCC does not meddle in politics.
>
>A bishop threatening to withhold communion from
>parishoners who vote the wrong way is not
>meddling in politics?
The bishop has no way of knowing how a parishioner voted. The ballot box is a
secret action.
Gee, you guys are reaching out for the most stupid of excuses.
duke
>On Thu, 10 Sep 2009 13:17:17 -0500, duke <duckg...@cox.net> wrote:
>> On Thu, 10 Sep 2009 10:59:35 -0700 (PDT), juanjo <jonp...@mindspring.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>On Sep 9, 11:03?pm, "J" <Jvisi...@live.com> wrote:
>>>> Evidenced by the results gay 'marriage' has had at the polls every single
>>>> time an initiative has been on the ballot, it is safe to say the the
>>>> Catholic Church has become the 'voice of the people'. The people appear to
>>>> be returning to their moral roots.
>>>>
>>>It is time that the tax exempt status of the Roman Catholic Church is
>>>revoked for their meddling in politics in the various states of the
>>>union.
>>
>> Sorry, but the RCC does not meddle in politics. It's is religiously against
>> queer sex, queer marriage, abortion. There is NO declared support for a
>> specific program.
>
>Thanks for confessing that you're completely clueless about the
>mandated sparation of church and state, with your Cathoholics trying
>to impose that on Maine.
Go back to the cemetery, west loop.
duke
It's also illegal to serve alcohol to those under 21.
Jimbo
> On Thu, 10 Sep 2009 12:30:44 -0700 (PDT), Jimbo <ckdbig...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >On Sep 10, 2:17 pm, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
> >> On Thu, 10 Sep 2009 10:59:35 -0700 (PDT), juanjo <jonpe...@mindspring.com>
> >> wrote:
>
> >> >On Sep 9, 11:03 pm, "J" <Jvisi...@live.com> wrote:
> >> >> Evidenced by the results gay 'marriage' has had at the polls every single
> >> >> time an initiative has been on the ballot, it is safe to say the the
> >> >> Catholic Church has become the 'voice of the people'. The people appear to
> >> >> be returning to their moral roots.
>
> >> >It is time that the tax exempt status of the Roman Catholic Church is
> >> >revoked for their meddling in politics in the various states of the
> >> >union.
>
> >> Sorry, but the RCC does not meddle in politics.
> >Liar, they are doing so now in Maine.
>
> Gosh, you're so unsure you can't even identify the item.
>
Did you read the article that was posted earlier?
Jimbo
> On Thu, 10 Sep 2009 16:58:10 -0700 (PDT), haiku jones <575jo...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> >On Sep 10, 11:17 am, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
> >> On Thu, 10 Sep 2009 10:59:35 -0700 (PDT), juanjo <jonpe...@mindspring.com>
> >> wrote:
>
> >> >On Sep 9, 11:03 pm, "J" <Jvisi...@live.com> wrote:
> >> >> Evidenced by the results gay 'marriage' has had at the polls every single
> >> >> time an initiative has been on the ballot, it is safe to say the the
> >> >> Catholic Church has become the 'voice of the people'. The people appear to
> >> >> be returning to their moral roots.
>
> >> >It is time that the tax exempt status of the Roman Catholic Church is
> >> >revoked for their meddling in politics in the various states of the
> >> >union.
>
> >> Sorry, but the RCC does not meddle in politics.
>
> >A bishop threatening to withhold communion from
> >parishoners who vote the wrong way is not
> >meddling in politics?
>
> The bishop has no way of knowing how a parishioner voted.
Which did not stop him in making the threat, thereby coercing his
parish, thereby meddling in politics, and the political process.
Patrick
The fags didn't write out a "letter of silence" to protect pedophiles,
the Catholic Church did,
Letter of silence?
Did you just make that shit up?
Or... are you talking about the "secret" 1962 document to
the bishops from the pope?
Patrick
> The good news is we have wingnuts like J who are loyal catholics. The rcc
> needs the cash flow to pay off all the lawsuits for protecting their
> pedophile clergy.
We don't need wingnuts when we have your family willing
land, jewelry, art to the dioceses over the years. We'll sell
a few of your crappy artifacts and pay off the lawyers.
Will you be happy then?
> Many rcc churches have been closed and sold to pay off these lawsuits.
Many older churches were closed because the parishoners moved
away to the suburbs. Those poor folks who couldn't move didn't pay
for the upkeep of their churches so they had to close.
> I watched a priest in Portland Oregon on television.
I'm watching you right now...
> The media stuck a mic in his face and asked him why he did it. He blamed
> the children. He said they all came on to him. Of course this was before
> the rcc lawyers got him to shut up.
Was he your "big brother?"
> J would like this cover up to continue. I also suspect he believes that
> the priests are entitled to rape children. It was in the name of Jesus.
> Every catholic like J knows that you are entitled to commit any atrocity
> if it is done in the name of god.
FOAD.
This is the reason why we kicked you out of the church.
You think immoral acts are OK in your little universe.
Patrick
news:4aa9b6b7$0$1590$742e...@news.sonic.net...
> Patrick <bark...@erinot.com> wrote:
>>"Jimbo" <ckdb...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>>The Catholic Church enabled pedophile, even providing them with fresh
>>>victims. The Catholic Church is immoral.
>>
>>Pat-- Nah, it was an experiment perpetrated by fags.
>
> To perverts like Patrick, molesting little girls doesn't count.
> It's expected.
Of course I expect you to do it.
After all, you find such delight in pedophiles and their fag actions.
Jimbo
> On Thu, 10 Sep 2009 15:31:19 -0400, Attila <<procho...@here.now> wrote:
> >On Thu, 10 Sep 2009 13:17:17 -0500, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> in
> >alt.abortion with message-id
> ><vigia5d2mr80t8jbgljgio6nbh0ka4c...@4ax.com> wrote:
>
> >>On Thu, 10 Sep 2009 10:59:35 -0700 (PDT), juanjo <jonpe...@mindspring.com>
> >>wrote:
>
> >>>On Sep 9, 11:03 pm, "J" <Jvisi...@live.com> wrote:
> >>>> Evidenced by the results gay 'marriage' has had at the polls every single
> >>>> time an initiative has been on the ballot, it is safe to say the the
> >>>> Catholic Church has become the 'voice of the people'. The people appear to
> >>>> be returning to their moral roots.
>
> >>>It is time that the tax exempt status of the Roman Catholic Church is
> >>>revoked for their meddling in politics in the various states of the
> >>>union.
>
> >>Sorry, but the RCC does not meddle in politics. It's is religiously against
> >>queer sex, queer marriage, abortion.
>
> >That's meddling in politics.
>
> Nope, that position came thousands of years before politics.
>
Liar. Whenever you have more than one person in a room, politics
exists. Even among ape colonies, there exists poltics. An alpha male
will always lead, and the lesser males will vie for favor. Politics
is man's oldest institution.
Patrick
news:d549352f-9a56-4839...@c37g2000yqi.googlegroups.com...
On Sep 10, 3:58 pm, "Patrick" <barker...@erinot.com> wrote:
> "Attila" <<procho...@here.now> wrote ...
>
>
>
> > Patrick" <barker...@erinot.com>> in alt.abortion with message-id
> >>"Ray Fischer" <rfisc...@sonic.net> wrote ...
> >>>J <Jvisi...@live.com> wrote:
> >>>>Evidenced by the results gay 'marriage' has had at the polls every
> >>>>single
> >>>>time an initiative has been on the ballot, it is safe to say the the
> >>>>Catholic Church has become the 'voice of the people'.
>
> >>> church.
>
> >>Because they are immoral self absorbed ass wipes like you.....
>
> > Because that is simply one strain of the disease known as religion.
> > More and more are becoming inoculated against it
>
> And your purpose here is to help me see the light?
>
> > Pro-Choice is Pro-Freedom
>
> Pro-choice is no choice at all for the innocent victim.
> It is just convenience for some mama.
Boy, your just a real ignorant fuckwit, aren't you?
Pat - prove it.
Discount my words.
Jimbo
> On Thu, 10 Sep 2009 18:22:33 -0400, WangoTango <Asgar...@mindspring.com> wrote:
> >In article <vigia5d2mr80t8jbgljgio6nbh0ka4c...@4ax.com>, duckgumbo32
> >@cox.net says...
> >> queer sex, queer marriage, abortion.
>
> >I guess that's the only way to keep those faggot priests in line.
>
> >Catholicism, diddle little boys for 2000 years......
>
> According to collegiate Psychology, the step father is the biggest abuser of
> children.
>
Which means what in relation to his statement? So... Catholicism
diddles boys less than step fathers, so that makes it okay in your
eyes?
Patrick
>>> Pro-Choice is Pro-Freedom
>>
>> Pro-choice is no choice at all for the innocent victim.
>> It is just convenience for some mama.
> Patrick thinks that
Don't even try to put words in my mouth.
I will TELL you what I think.
You don't have the capacity to interpret my words.
Shaddup.
> Patrick figures, "I got my insurance, screw all these post born paupers."
> He just loves those eggs with a sperm sticking
Don't even try to put words in my mouth.
I will TELL you what I think.
You don't have the capacity to interpret my words.
Shaddup.
Patrick
news:MPG.251373f6...@news.eternal-september.org...
> In article
> <nNWdnRpODu3txzTX...@posted.localnet>,
> bark...@erinot.com says...
>
>> > Pro-Choice is Pro-Freedom
>>
>> Pro-choice is no choice at all for the innocent victim.
>> It is just convenience for some mama.
>
> loudly pro-choice.
If you pulled that stick out of your ass, you'd feel better.
Jimbo
> "Jimbo" <ckdbig...@gmail.com> wrote
>
> The fags didn't write out a "letter of silence" to protect pedophiles,
> the Catholic Church did,
>
That's what I said, idiot. It was issued by the Vatican.
> Letter of silence?
> Did you just make that shit up?
> Or... are you talking about the "secret" 1962 document to
> the bishops from the pope?
That is what Cardinal Benard Law referred to in court as the "letter
of silence", which directed the church hierarchy to remain silent on
issues of pedophile priests, and interpreted, and rightly so, as an
institutionalized cover-up of pedophile priests.
So, if anyone was "making it up", it was one of your Cardinals. The
name stuck in the media.
Patrick
> , "Patrick" bark...@erinot.comith message-id
>>And your purpose here is to help me see the light?
>
> Anyone I can.
Then start telling the truth?
>>> Pro-Choice is Pro-Freedom
>>
>>Pro-choice is no choice at all for the innocent victim.
>
> :Here we see another religious comment that is oblivious to
> :the fact that most people ignore the religion involved.
If you have a beef with my words, argue with me.
Insulting my religion does not bolster your debate.
Poor child....
Jimbo
> "Michael" <mico...@sbcglobal.net> wrote
>
> > The good news is we have wingnuts like J who are loyal catholics. The rcc
> > needs the cash flow to pay off all the lawsuits for protecting their
> > pedophile clergy.
>
> We don't need wingnuts when we have your family willing
> land, jewelry, art to the dioceses over the years.
LOL! I suppose that's why they had to close 10 Catholic Churches and
1 Catholic School in the Detroit area after the Church enabled
pedophile priest ring was finally caught. Everyone was just falling
all over themselves giving the Church jewels, land, art, etc..
Jimbo
> "Ray Fischer" <rfisc...@sonic.net> wrote in message
>
> news:4aa9b6b7$0$1590$742e...@news.sonic.net...
>
> > Patrick <barker...@erinot.com> wrote:
> >>"Jimbo" <ckdbig...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> >>>The Catholic Church enabled pedophile, even providing them with fresh
> >>>victims. The Catholic Church is immoral.
>
> >>Pat-- Nah, it was an experiment perpetrated by fags.
>
> > To perverts like Patrick, molesting little girls doesn't count.
> > It's expected.
>
> Of course I expect you to do it.
> After all, you find such delight in pedophiles and their fag actions.
Sorry Pat, you're the one that is here defending the biggest organized
pedophile ring in human history, the Catholic Church. You are the
one delighting in pedophiles and their actions.
Jimbo
> "Brian E. Clark" <brianecl...@address.invalid.invalid> wrote in messagenews:MPG.251373f6...@news.eternal-september.org...
>
> > In article
> > <nNWdnRpODu3txzTXnZ2dnUVZ_redn...@posted.localnet>,
> > barker...@erinot.com says...
>
> >> > Pro-Choice is Pro-Freedom
>
> >> Pro-choice is no choice at all for the innocent victim.
> >> It is just convenience for some mama.
>
> > If raping altar boys led pregnancy, the church would be
> > loudly pro-choice.
>
> If you pulled that stick out of your ass, you'd feel better.
He has a point that you obviously cannot address.
Jimbo
> "Michael" <mico...@sbcglobal.net> wrote
>
> >>> Pro-Choice is Pro-Freedom
>
> >> Pro-choice is no choice at all for the innocent victim.
> >> It is just convenience for some mama.
> > Patrick thinks that
>
> Don't even try to put words in my mouth.
> I will TELL you what I think.
> You don't have the capacity to interpret my words.
> Shaddup.
>
Actually, I think he's been doing a rather fine job of interpreting
your words.
�R. L. Measures
<duckg...@cox.net> wrote:
> On Fri, 11 Sep 2009 01:07:05 -0700, r...@somis.org (�R. L. Measures) wrote:
>
> >In article <vigia5d2mr80t8jbg...@4ax.com>, duke
> ><duckg...@cox.net> wrote:
> >
> >> On Thu, 10 Sep 2009 10:59:35 -0700 (PDT), juanjo <jonp...@mindspring.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> >On Sep 9, 11:03�pm, "J" <Jvisi...@live.com> wrote:
> >> >> Evidenced by the results gay 'marriage' has had at the polls every
single
> >> >> time an initiative has been on the ballot, it is safe to say the the
> >> >> Catholic Church has become the 'voice of the people'. The people
appear to
> >> >> be returning to their moral roots.
> >> >>
> >> >It is time that the tax exempt status of the Roman Catholic Church is
> >> >revoked for their meddling in politics in the various states of the
> >> >union.
> >>
> >> Sorry, but the RCC does not meddle in politics. ...
> >
> >� The insurance ibdustry is the largest lobby in the state capital of
> >Sacramento California., and the 2nd largest is the Roman Catholic Church
> >lobby. When I was in high-school, thanks largely to the RCC lobby, it
> >was illegal to sell condoms to anyone under the age of 21.
>
> It's also illegal to serve alcohol to those under 21.
>
� what's the connection between demon rum and condoms?
--
R.L. Measures. 805-386-3734, www.somis.org
�R. L. Measures
<<proc...@here.now> wrote:
> On Fri, 11 Sep 2009 01:15:18 -0700, r...@somis.org (�R. L. Measures) in
> alt.abortion with message-id <r-1109090...@10.0.1.5> wrote:
>
> >In article <avkia5lvtrvkguq3a...@4ax.com>, Attila
> ><<proc...@here.now> wrote:
> >
> >> On Thu, 10 Sep 2009 13:17:17 -0500, duke <duckg...@cox.net> in
> >> alt.abortion with message-id
> >> <vigia5d2mr80t8jbg...@4ax.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> >On Thu, 10 Sep 2009 10:59:35 -0700 (PDT), juanjo <jonp...@mindspring.com>
> >> >wrote:
> >> >
> >> >>On Sep 9, 11:03�pm, "J" <Jvisi...@live.com> wrote:
> >> >>> Evidenced by the results gay 'marriage' has had at the polls
every single
> >> >>> time an initiative has been on the ballot, it is safe to say the the
> >> >>> Catholic Church has become the 'voice of the people'. The people
appear to
> >> >>> be returning to their moral roots.
> >> >>>
> >> >>It is time that the tax exempt status of the Roman Catholic Church is
> >> >>revoked for their meddling in politics in the various states of the
> >> >>union.
> >> >
> >> >Sorry, but the RCC does not meddle in politics. It's is religiously
against
> >> >queer sex, queer marriage, abortion.
> >>
> >> That's meddling in politics.
> >>
> >� ... which is why they have a lobby in Sacramento, CA.
>
> And everywhere else they can try to have influence.
>
> They call it a church.
>
� "My best advice to anyone who wants to raise a happy,
mentally healthy child is: Keep him or her as far away from
a church as you can."
-- Frank Zappa
duke
wrote:
>
>> On Sep 10, 11:17 am, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> Sorry, but the RCC does not meddle in politics.
> http://www.catholicculture.org/news/features/index.cfm?recnum=32830
>Kerry said to be excommunicated (Subscribe to RSS Feed)
>Los Angeles, Oct. 18, 2004 (CWNews.com) -
>
>A consultant to the Vatican has said Democratic presidential candidate John
>Kerry has incurred the penalty of excommunication from the Catholic Church.
The man stands directly opposed to the teachings of his Lord. He did it
publicly so it's fact. If he is excommunicated, he deserves it basis his
beliefs, not his politics.
He can recover with a good confession and a promise to avoid repeating the sad
event.
duke
>On Sep 11, 7:03�am, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
>> On Thu, 10 Sep 2009 11:49:29 -0700 (PDT), --sexkitten-- <ladyhawk....@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> >On Sep 10, 11:17�am, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
>> >> On Thu, 10 Sep 2009 10:59:35 -0700 (PDT), juanjo <jonpe...@mindspring.com>
>> >> wrote:
>>
>> >> >On Sep 9, 11:03�pm, "J" <Jvisi...@live.com> wrote:
>> >> >> Evidenced by the results gay 'marriage' has had at the polls every single
>> >> >> time an initiative has been on the ballot, it is safe to say the the
>> >> >> Catholic Church has become the 'voice of the people'. The people appear to
>> >> >> be returning to their moral roots.
>>
>> >> >It is time that the tax exempt status of the Roman Catholic Church is
>> >> >revoked for their meddling in politics in the various states of the
>> >> >union.
>>
>> >> Sorry, but the RCC does not meddle in politics. �It's is religiously against
>> >> queer sex, queer marriage, abortion. �There is NO declared support for a
>> >> specific program.
>> >Oh good! So you're saying they have no actual objection to the
>> >*legality* of any of the above, and won't actively pursue any
>> >legislation on them?
>>
>> Absolutely none. �
>
>Yeah, that's why the church has pumped millions of dollars into
>poitical issues. Go lie to someone else duke.
Very poor response. The church as pumped NO money into political issues. To do
so would have cost it it's tax free status long ago if it had.
Stupid ass.
duke
>> >> Sorry, but the RCC does not meddle in politics. �
>> >Liar, they are doing so now in Maine.
>> Gosh, you're so unsure you can't even identify the item.
>Did you read the article that was posted earlier?
Can you id the item or not?
duke
Did an ape tell you that?
duke
It's all wrong.
duke
>On Sep 11, 7:07�am, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
>> On Thu, 10 Sep 2009 16:58:10 -0700 (PDT), haiku jones <575jo...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> >On Sep 10, 11:17 am, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
>> >> On Thu, 10 Sep 2009 10:59:35 -0700 (PDT), juanjo <jonpe...@mindspring.com>
>> >> wrote:
>>
>> >> >On Sep 9, 11:03 pm, "J" <Jvisi...@live.com> wrote:
>> >> >> Evidenced by the results gay 'marriage' has had at the polls every single
>> >> >> time an initiative has been on the ballot, it is safe to say the the
>> >> >> Catholic Church has become the 'voice of the people'. The people appear to
>> >> >> be returning to their moral roots.
>>
>> >> >It is time that the tax exempt status of the Roman Catholic Church is
>> >> >revoked for their meddling in politics in the various states of the
>> >> >union.
>>
>> >> Sorry, but the RCC does not meddle in politics.
>>
>> >A bishop threatening to withhold communion from
>> >parishoners who vote the wrong way is not
>> >meddling in politics?
>>
>> The bishop has no way of knowing how a parishioner voted.
>
>Which did not stop him in making the threat, thereby coercing his
>parish, thereby meddling in politics, and the political process.
The bishop pushing his God's teachings is not meddling in politics.
Do you hide under your bed at night so the boogie man doesn't get you?
WangoTango
> In article <MPG.25134638e...@news.east.earthlink.net>,
> WangoTango <Asga...@mindspring.com> wrote:
>
> > In article <vigia5d2mr80t8jbg...@4ax.com>, duckgumbo32
> > @cox.net says...
> > > queer sex, queer marriage, abortion.
> > >
> > I guess that's the only way to keep those faggot priests in line.
> >
> > Catholicism, diddle little boys for 2000 years......
>
>
>
Ah, 'only' 2700 years, that's much better.........
duke
Age.
Brian E. Clark
<19WdnZL7V9YezjfX...@posted.localnet>,
bark...@erinot.com says...
> >> Pro-choice is no choice at all for the innocent victim.
> >> It is just convenience for some mama.
> >
> > If raping altar boys led pregnancy, the church would be
> > loudly pro-choice.
>
> If you pulled that stick out of your ass, you'd feel better.
If you could rebut my point, you'd have done so. Instead...
--
-----------
Brian E. Clark
duke
>> Name me one thing that the RCC does to meddle in politics. �The public position
>> of the RCC came long, long before communication skills bypassed script.
>> You can't do it.
>It's already been done. Read the article posted earlier.
LIke I said, you can't do it.
WangoTango
@cox.net says...
> On Thu, 10 Sep 2009 18:22:33 -0400, WangoTango <Asga...@mindspring.com> wrote:
>
> >In article <vigia5d2mr80t8jbg...@4ax.com>, duckgumbo32
> >@cox.net says...
> >> queer sex, queer marriage, abortion.
> >>
> >I guess that's the only way to keep those faggot priests in line.
> >
> >Catholicism, diddle little boys for 2000 years......
>
> children.
And priests are the biggest abusers of alter boys.........
Pedophiles are pedophiles, too bad step fathers don't have the weight of
the Catholic Church to protect them.
Jimbo
Jimbo
Nope, science and an education told me that. Didn't your imaginary
sky daddy tell you that?