Testing Next Year¹s Lies Today
james g. keegan jr.
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Posted on Nov 11, 2009
By Joe Conason
Within hours after the House of Representatives approved health care
reform by a narrow margin, Republicans predicted retribution at the
polls next fall. They promised to make every Democrat regret that
historic vote as the first step toward the reversal of power in
Washington. And as the current debate has proved, they aren�t going to
let honesty become an obstacle.
For a preview of coming attractions, simply turn on the Fox News Channel
or any right-wing radio talker, where the falsehoods of the 2010 midterm
campaign are being field-tested today.
You can watch Dick Morris blather about the �death panels� that will
terminate your mother and father while illegal immigrants are provided
lavish care, and about how you will be put in jail for failing to
purchase health insurance. You can hear Karl Rove complain that we will
�beggar ourselves� by adding more than $1.4 trillion to the federal
debt. You can listen to Frank Luntz claim that voters disdain reform
because of �the cost to the deficit.�
These gentlemen have little expertise in health or economics, but much
experience in distracting, misinforming and sometimes frightening the
public. Aside from talking on television, that is their job. How little
do they know�and how much do they simply fabricate?
It is safe to assume that Morris knows very well there are no death
panels in any of the health reform bills; that those bills expressly
forbid coverage of illegal immigrants; and that none of them includes
any provision to incarcerate citizens who lack insurance coverage. It is
also reasonable to assume, based solely on the fiscal record of the Bush
administration in which he served, that Rove never worries about budget
deficits, government waste or gross corruption unless Democrats are in
charge.
As for Luntz, he specializes in political prophecies that are
self-fulfilling. When he says voters are infuriated by the cost of
health care reform, for instance, that merely indicates he is trying to
make them feel that way. He will succeed�all three will succeed�only by
drawing attention away from actual facts and figures.
So perhaps voters ought to listen instead to the Congressional Budget
Office, which by contrast has earned a reputation for candor, accuracy
and nonpartisan truthfulness. After painstaking analysis, the CBO
estimated that the House health care reform bill, known as the
Affordable Health Care for America Act, would reduce the federal deficit
by about $109 billion during the first 10 years after it takes effect.
To repeat: The bill passed by the House Democrats on the evening of
Saturday, Nov. 7, �would yield a net reduction in federal budget
deficits of $109 billion over the 2010-2019 period.�
The CBO experts also costed out the Senate Finance Committee bill and
found that it would cut federal deficits by more than $80 billion during
that first decade.
Those reassuring conclusions derive from other basic facts about reform
that tend to be ignored or concealed. Reform will reduce wasteful
spending by hundreds of billions of dollars annually and will depend for
financing on excise taxes imposed on the wealthiest 1 percent of the
population.
Much of the misinformation about the costs of reform comes from the
belief�fostered by conservatives�that the government-run health plan
known as the �public option� would impose a huge burden on the federal
budget. So says Joseph Lieberman, the independent senator from
Connecticut who has threatened to filibuster the bill.
Section 322 of the Affordable Health Care for America Act says clearly
and concisely that people insured under the public option will pay
premium rates �at a level sufficient to fully finance the costs of
health benefits provided by the public health insurance option; and
administrative costs related to operating the public health insurance
option.� In short, the public option will involve no new federal
expenditure.
Any bill that reaches the president�s desk will leave much to be
desired, especially with respect to cost containment, preventive care
and new systems of compensation to encourage improved results. But the
legislation should be judged according to real merits and defects�not
the delusions and distortions that now dominate the debate.
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william mosco
james g. keegan jr. wrote:
> Testing Next Year�s Lies Today
>
> http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/20091111_testing_next_years_lies_toda
> y/
> Posted on Nov 11, 2009
>
> By Joe Conason
>
> Within hours after the House of Representatives approved health care
> reform by a narrow margin, Republicans predicted retribution at the
> polls next fall. They promised to make every Democrat regret that
> historic vote as the first step toward the reversal of power in
> Washington. And as the current debate has proved, they aren�t going to
> let honesty become an obstacle.
>
> For a preview of coming attractions, simply turn on the Fox News Channel
> or any right-wing radio talker, where the falsehoods of the 2010 midterm
> campaign are being field-tested today.
>
> You can watch Dick Morris blather about the �death panels� that will
> terminate your mother and father while illegal immigrants are provided
> lavish care, and about how you will be put in jail for failing to
> purchase health insurance.
If you refuse to purchase health insurance, and you refuse to pay the
fine, you can be put in jail. The provision is in the bill.
This article is misinformation and another example as to why jimmy
can't be taken seriously.
Government health care mandates to buy health insurance are
unconstitutional. Comparing the mandate to auto insurance is a red
herring because you're not forced to buy a car. The health insurance
mandate is imposed simply because you exist.
james g. keegan jr.
<0ee090b2-12f3-4adf...@l2g2000yqd.googlegroups.com>,
william mosco <wm5...@gmail.com> wrote:
> james g. keegan jr. wrote:
> > Testing Next Year?s Lies Today
> >
> > http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/20091111_testing_next_years_lies_toda
> > y/
> > Posted on Nov 11, 2009
> >
> > By Joe Conason
> >
> > Within hours after the House of Representatives approved health care
> > reform by a narrow margin, Republicans predicted retribution at the
> > polls next fall. They promised to make every Democrat regret that
> > historic vote as the first step toward the reversal of power in
> > Washington. And as the current debate has proved, they aren?t going to
> > let honesty become an obstacle.
> >
> > For a preview of coming attractions, simply turn on the Fox News Channel
> > or any right-wing radio talker, where the falsehoods of the 2010 midterm
> > campaign are being field-tested today.
> >
> > You can watch Dick Morris blather about the ?death panels? that will
> > terminate your mother and father while illegal immigrants are provided
> > lavish care, and about how you will be put in jail for failing to
> > purchase health insurance.
>
> If you refuse to purchase health insurance, and you refuse to pay the
> fine, you can be put in jail. The provision is in the bill.
>
> This article is misinformation and another example as to why jimmy
notice how william, who previously lied about harvard medical
researchers without providing a shred of evidence, now lies about a joe
conason article without providing a shred of evidence either.
people like billy represent a significant portion of the reason the usa
has fallen to such depths.
william mosco
I didn't think it was necessary to point to the obvious. So here it
is gullible jimmy:
"Not content with robbing you of your money, however, under the Pelosi
plan, the IRS will rob you of your liberty, as well. Criminal
prosecution is provided under the IRC (as amended by the terms of HR
3962) for failure to comply. There is a misdemeanor level of
disobedience and a felony level. The punishment for a minor violation
is set forth in Section 7203. “Misdemeanor willful failure to pay is
punishable by a fine of up to $25,000 and/or imprisonment for up to
one year.” For those really hardcore healthcare criminals, the
punishment is a fine up to $250,000 and/or five years in jail. You’ve
read it right. If the Health Care Commissioner decides your policy
isn’t Pelosi-friendly and you don’t make the appropriate changes to
it, then you may do time."
“Criminal penalties
Prosecution is authorized under the Code for a variety of offenses.
Depending on the level of the noncompliance, the following penalties
could apply to an individual:
• Section 7203 – misdemeanor willful failure to pay is punishable by a
fine of up to $25,000 and/or imprisonment of up to one year.
• Section 7201 – felony willful evasion is punishable by a fine of up
to $250,000 and/or imprisonment of up to five years.”
http://republicans.waysandmeans.house.gov/News/DocumentSingle.aspx?DocumentID=153583
james g. keegan jr.
<58a625f8-3dfd-4978...@l13g2000yqb.googlegroups.com>,
william mosco <wm5...@gmail.com> wrote:
> ���������������������������������������
> �Criminal penalties
>
> Prosecution is authorized under the Code for a variety of offenses.�
> Depending on the level of the noncompliance, the following penalties
> could apply to an individual:
>
> ��Section 7203 � misdemeanor willful failure to pay is punishable by a
> fine of up to $25,000 and/or imprisonment of up to one year.
>
> ��Section 7201 � felony willful evasion is punishable by a fine of up
> to $250,000 and/or imprisonment of up to five years.�
> http://republicans.waysandmeans.house.gov/News/DocumentSingle.aspx?DocumentID=
> 153583
so you admit you do not have a single credible source for your claims?
as i said earlier, "people like billy represent a significant portion of
william mosco
Imbecile. HR3962 sections 7201, 7203.
Now run away from your lie and take that misleading piece of dung
article with you.
james g. keegan jr.
<35ff2e9e-80e6-4a91...@l13g2000yqb.googlegroups.com>,
william mosco makes yet another false claim in <wm5...@gmail.com>:
> Now run away from your lie and take that misleading piece of dung
> article with you.
the article was written for oafs like you billy
william mosco
james g. keegan jr. wrote:
The article was written for those who rely on Headline Not News and
the Commie News Network for information; not for those who have a copy
of the health care bill.
james g. keegan jr.
<b72cfe80-96a0-4cd9...@b15g2000yqd.googlegroups.com>,
william mosco <wm5...@gmail.com> wrote:
> james g. keegan jr. wrote:
> > the article was written for oafs like you billy
>
> The article was written for those who rely on Headline Not News and
> the Commie News Network
so whine naziboy
william mosco
james g. keegan jr. wrote:
> In article
> <b72cfe80-96a0-4cd9...@b15g2000yqd.googlegroups.com>,
> william mosco <wm5...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > james g. keegan jr. wrote:
>
> > > the article was written for oafs like you billy
> >
> > The article was written for those who rely on Headline Not News and
> > the Commie News Network
>
> so whine naziboy
Run away coward. You're cornered and got caught propagating a
misleading article.
james g. keegan jr.
<7c131969-30c9-4c00...@e23g2000yqd.googlegroups.com>,
william mosco <wm5...@gmail.com> wrote:
> james g. keegan jr. wrote:
> > In article
> > <b72cfe80-96a0-4cd9...@b15g2000yqd.googlegroups.com>,
> > william mosco <wm5...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > james g. keegan jr. wrote:
> >
> > > > the article was written for oafs like you billy
> > >
> > > The article was written for those who rely on Headline Not News and
> > > the Commie News Network
> >
> > so whine naziboy
>
> Run away coward. You're cornered and got caught propagating a
> misleading article.
repeating your lies doens't make them true, naziboy billy