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W.T.S.
Jun 5, 2013, 11:45:53 PM6/5/13
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<http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/06/05/republican-candidate-evolution-
false-because-chimps-cant-talk/>
http://tinyurl.com/m7ddxho
Republicans are so degenerate that they think the bible represents
literal truth, when in fact the bible is made up nonsense.
The following are other URLs that show the sickness of Conservative,
Republican and religious thought:
<http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/06/05/republican-pushes-license-to-
bully-gay-and-lesbian-service-members/>
http://tinyurl.com/ls2s539
<http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/06/05/rep-mcdermott-snaps-at-fox-news-
host-you-are-putting-words-in-my-mouth-stop-it/>
http://tinyurl.com/l82furp
<http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/06/05/parents-and-students-rip-ohio-
school-board-over-creationism-proposal/>
http://tinyurl.com/llcd77f
Johnny Football
Jun 5, 2013, 11:55:19 PM6/5/13
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On Wed, 5 Jun 2013 22:45:53 -0500, "W.T.S." <m1...@earthlink.net>
wrote:
Republikkkans are the lowest form of bottom feeders.
Johnny F
wrote:
Johnny F
Robert H
Jun 6, 2013, 6:56:59 AM6/6/13
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On Jun 5, 11:55 pm, Johnny Football <johnny_footb...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Wed, 5 Jun 2013 22:45:53 -0500, "W.T.S." <m...@earthlink.net>
I'm sitting here reading about bigots claiming republicans are bottom
feeders, as we are watching the scandals unfold with the democrats and
the IRS and the DOJ.
> On Wed, 5 Jun 2013 22:45:53 -0500, "W.T.S." <m...@earthlink.net>
feeders, as we are watching the scandals unfold with the democrats and
the IRS and the DOJ.
duke
Jun 6, 2013, 7:30:03 AM6/6/13
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On Thu, 6 Jun 2013 03:56:59 -0700 (PDT), Robert H <cra...@comcast.net> wrote:
>> Republikkkans are the lowest form of bottom feeders.
>> Johnny F
>I'm sitting here reading about bigots claiming republicans are bottom
>feeders, as we are watching the scandals unfold with the democrats and
>the IRS and the DOJ.
Isn't that the truth. Maybe he's too immature to even know what's going on in
>> Republikkkans are the lowest form of bottom feeders.
>> Johnny F
>I'm sitting here reading about bigots claiming republicans are bottom
>feeders, as we are watching the scandals unfold with the democrats and
>the IRS and the DOJ.
DC and all the shams taking place right now.
The dukester, American - American
********************************************
Repeal Obama
You simply can't fix stupid.
********************************************
Robert H
Jun 6, 2013, 7:53:04 AM6/6/13
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On Jun 6, 7:30 am, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
Unions are very nervous about Obama care now.
People have been warned about Obama, they did not listen. And the
worst, we don't even know about yet.
> On Thu, 6 Jun 2013 03:56:59 -0700 (PDT), Robert H <craz...@comcast.net> wrote:
> >> Republikkkans are the lowest form of bottom feeders.
> >> Johnny F
> >I'm sitting here reading about bigots claiming republicans are bottom
> >feeders, as we are watching the scandals unfold with the democrats and
> >the IRS and the DOJ.
>
> Isn't that the truth. Maybe he's too immature to even know what's going on in
> DC and all the shams taking place right now.
Did you see the latest?
> >> Republikkkans are the lowest form of bottom feeders.
> >> Johnny F
> >I'm sitting here reading about bigots claiming republicans are bottom
> >feeders, as we are watching the scandals unfold with the democrats and
> >the IRS and the DOJ.
>
> Isn't that the truth. Maybe he's too immature to even know what's going on in
> DC and all the shams taking place right now.
Unions are very nervous about Obama care now.
People have been warned about Obama, they did not listen. And the
worst, we don't even know about yet.
PATRICK
Jun 6, 2013, 8:17:45 AM6/6/13
to
Ohhh, duca....
Is that the best you've got?
Is that the best you've got?
PATRICK
Jun 6, 2013, 8:21:03 AM6/6/13
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the Takers of society will listen? I don't think so. Life is good
for those who take. Unless we cut back on the government gifts to
them (free cell phones, debit cards, healthcare) they will not seem
affected and will continue to bow before the great and powerful
obammy.
Robert H
Jun 6, 2013, 8:23:56 AM6/6/13
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now, a majority of people depending on the hand outs. I doubt people
will wake up for a while, by then..it's too late.
W.T.S.
Jun 6, 2013, 8:29:49 AM6/6/13
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In article <320fc4a6-8099-43f7-b437-42a1c68d654a@
10g2000yqy.googlegroups.com>, cra...@comcast.net says...
> feeders, and they're exactly right! When it comes to scandal and
> degeneracy, the Republicans are the record holders, hands down.
>
You've got that right!
>
We are indeed Carcinoma Sapiens, destroying, by insane fecundity, that
which we need to survive.
>
As always, organized religion opposes progress -
>
See what RELIGION does to peoples' minds?
>
Adults no longer believe in the Tooth Fairy - but they still torture and
kill each other over ancient myths and superstitions.
>
"We all remember how many religious wars were fought for a religion of
love
and gentleness; how many bodies were burned
alive with the genuinely kind intention of saving souls from the eternal
fire of hell." --- Karl Popper
>
"When one person suffers from a delusion, it is called insanity. When
many
people suffer from a delusion, it is called Religion."
--- Robert M. Pirsig
>
Either God wants to abolish evil and cannot, or he can but does not want
to.
If he wants to but cannot he is impotent. If he can
but does not want to, he is wicked. If he neither can nor wants to, then
he
is both powerless and wicked.
--- Epicurus, Greek philosopher, circa 300 B.C.
>
"Act of God" disasters like the Japanese earthquake expose the myth.
Either
God can do nothing to stop catastrophes like
this, or he doesn't care to, or he doesn't exist. He is thus either
impotent, evil, or imaginary.
--- CNN Belief Blog, 3-20-11
>
"With or without religion, you would have good people doing good things
and
evil people doing evil things. But for good people
to do evil things, that takes religion."
--- Steven Weinberg, quoted in The New York Times, April 20, 1999
>
"Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as when they do it from
religious conviction." --- Blaise Pascal.
>
"Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as
false,
and by rulers as useful."
--- Seneca the Younger (4? BC - 65 AD)
>
"Religion once ruled the world. It was called the Dark Ages." --- Ruth
Green.
>
"Science flies you to the moon. Religion flies you into buildings." ---
Victor Stenger.
>
"I don't believe in God because I don't believe in Mother Goose." ---
Clarence Darrow
>
"As my ancestors are free from slavery, I am free from the slavery of
religion." --- Butterfly McQueen
>
"Religion was invented when the first con-man met the first fool." -
Mark
Twain
>
"Faith is believing what you know ain't so." --- Mark Twain
>
"The God of the Old Testament is arguably the most unpleasant character
in
all fiction." --- Richard Dawkins
>
"Cult today, religion tomorrow."
>
The Freedom From Religion Foundation: http://ffrf.org/
The Secular Coalition for America: www.secular.org
Secular Student Alliance: www.secularstudents.org
www.infidels.org
www.humaniststudies.org
www.atheistalliance.org
www.americanhumanist.org
http://tinyurl.com/nj32s6f
10g2000yqy.googlegroups.com>, cra...@comcast.net says...
> On Jun 5, 11:55 pm, Johnny Football <johnny_footb...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > On Wed, 5 Jun 2013 22:45:53 -0500, "W.T.S." <m...@earthlink.net>
> > wrote:
> >
> > ><http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/06/05/republican-candidate-evolution-
> > >false-because-chimps-cant-talk/>
> >
> > >http://tinyurl.com/m7ddxho
> >
> > >Republicans are so degenerate that they think the bible represents
> > >literal truth, when in fact the bible is made up nonsense.
> >
> > >The following are other URLs that show the sickness of Conservative,
> > >Republican and religious thought:
> >
> > ><http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/06/05/republican-pushes-license-to-
> > >bully-gay-and-lesbian-service-members/>
> >
> > >http://tinyurl.com/ls2s539
> >
> > ><http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/06/05/rep-mcdermott-snaps-at-fox-news-
> > >host-you-are-putting-words-in-my-mouth-stop-it/>
> >
> > >http://tinyurl.com/l82furp
> >
> > ><http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/06/05/parents-and-students-rip-ohio-
> > >school-board-over-creationism-proposal/>
> >
> > >http://tinyurl.com/llcd77f
> >
> > Republikkkans are the lowest form of bottom feeders.
> >
> > Johnny F
>
> I'm sitting here reading about people claiming republicans are bottom
> > On Wed, 5 Jun 2013 22:45:53 -0500, "W.T.S." <m...@earthlink.net>
> > wrote:
> >
> > ><http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/06/05/republican-candidate-evolution-
> > >false-because-chimps-cant-talk/>
> >
> > >http://tinyurl.com/m7ddxho
> >
> > >Republicans are so degenerate that they think the bible represents
> > >literal truth, when in fact the bible is made up nonsense.
> >
> > >The following are other URLs that show the sickness of Conservative,
> > >Republican and religious thought:
> >
> > ><http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/06/05/republican-pushes-license-to-
> > >bully-gay-and-lesbian-service-members/>
> >
> > >http://tinyurl.com/ls2s539
> >
> > ><http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/06/05/rep-mcdermott-snaps-at-fox-news-
> > >host-you-are-putting-words-in-my-mouth-stop-it/>
> >
> > >http://tinyurl.com/l82furp
> >
> > ><http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/06/05/parents-and-students-rip-ohio-
> > >school-board-over-creationism-proposal/>
> >
> > >http://tinyurl.com/llcd77f
> >
> > Republikkkans are the lowest form of bottom feeders.
> >
> > Johnny F
>
> feeders, and they're exactly right! When it comes to scandal and
> degeneracy, the Republicans are the record holders, hands down.
>
You've got that right!
>
We are indeed Carcinoma Sapiens, destroying, by insane fecundity, that
which we need to survive.
>
As always, organized religion opposes progress -
>
See what RELIGION does to peoples' minds?
>
Adults no longer believe in the Tooth Fairy - but they still torture and
kill each other over ancient myths and superstitions.
>
"We all remember how many religious wars were fought for a religion of
love
and gentleness; how many bodies were burned
alive with the genuinely kind intention of saving souls from the eternal
fire of hell." --- Karl Popper
>
"When one person suffers from a delusion, it is called insanity. When
many
people suffer from a delusion, it is called Religion."
--- Robert M. Pirsig
>
Either God wants to abolish evil and cannot, or he can but does not want
to.
If he wants to but cannot he is impotent. If he can
but does not want to, he is wicked. If he neither can nor wants to, then
he
is both powerless and wicked.
--- Epicurus, Greek philosopher, circa 300 B.C.
>
"Act of God" disasters like the Japanese earthquake expose the myth.
Either
God can do nothing to stop catastrophes like
this, or he doesn't care to, or he doesn't exist. He is thus either
impotent, evil, or imaginary.
--- CNN Belief Blog, 3-20-11
>
"With or without religion, you would have good people doing good things
and
evil people doing evil things. But for good people
to do evil things, that takes religion."
--- Steven Weinberg, quoted in The New York Times, April 20, 1999
>
"Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as when they do it from
religious conviction." --- Blaise Pascal.
>
"Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as
false,
and by rulers as useful."
--- Seneca the Younger (4? BC - 65 AD)
>
"Religion once ruled the world. It was called the Dark Ages." --- Ruth
Green.
>
"Science flies you to the moon. Religion flies you into buildings." ---
Victor Stenger.
>
"I don't believe in God because I don't believe in Mother Goose." ---
Clarence Darrow
>
"As my ancestors are free from slavery, I am free from the slavery of
religion." --- Butterfly McQueen
>
"Religion was invented when the first con-man met the first fool." -
Mark
Twain
>
"Faith is believing what you know ain't so." --- Mark Twain
>
"The God of the Old Testament is arguably the most unpleasant character
in
all fiction." --- Richard Dawkins
>
"Cult today, religion tomorrow."
>
The Freedom From Religion Foundation: http://ffrf.org/
The Secular Coalition for America: www.secular.org
Secular Student Alliance: www.secularstudents.org
www.infidels.org
www.humaniststudies.org
www.atheistalliance.org
www.americanhumanist.org
http://tinyurl.com/nj32s6f
W.T.S.
Jun 6, 2013, 8:34:43 AM6/6/13
to
In article <5c086e0f-f42a-47ad-b0fe-
437957...@z8g2000yqd.googlegroups.com>, cra...@comcast.net says...
Do you have any direct experience with Obama Care? Those who have, no
losing your insurance for being sick, no yearly or lifetime limits,
keeping your kids on until they're 25, no pre-existing condition blocks,
it's saving lives in droves.
No, you don't have direct experience with Obama Care! If you had, you'd
be praising it left and right.
But, if you don't like Obama Care, just ask Congress to extend Medicare
to everyone and we'll have an even better system called, "Single Payer".
437957...@z8g2000yqd.googlegroups.com>, cra...@comcast.net says...
losing your insurance for being sick, no yearly or lifetime limits,
keeping your kids on until they're 25, no pre-existing condition blocks,
it's saving lives in droves.
No, you don't have direct experience with Obama Care! If you had, you'd
be praising it left and right.
But, if you don't like Obama Care, just ask Congress to extend Medicare
to everyone and we'll have an even better system called, "Single Payer".
W.T.S.
Jun 6, 2013, 8:36:37 AM6/6/13
to
In article <6is0r85edr5qah2ti...@4ax.com>, duckgumbo32
@cox.net says...
they're domestic terrorists and hate groups.
@cox.net says...
>
> On Thu, 6 Jun 2013 03:56:59 -0700 (PDT), Robert H <cra...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>
> >> Republikkkans are the lowest form of bottom feeders.
> >> Johnny F
>
> >I'm sitting here reading about bigots claiming republicans are bottom
> >feeders, as we are watching the scandals unfold with the democrats and
> >the IRS and the DOJ.
The IRS had good reason to look at right-wing, conservative groups,
> On Thu, 6 Jun 2013 03:56:59 -0700 (PDT), Robert H <cra...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>
> >> Republikkkans are the lowest form of bottom feeders.
> >> Johnny F
>
> >I'm sitting here reading about bigots claiming republicans are bottom
> >feeders, as we are watching the scandals unfold with the democrats and
> >the IRS and the DOJ.
they're domestic terrorists and hate groups.
W.T.S.
Jun 6, 2013, 8:43:32 AM6/6/13
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In article <8ev0r8t2glk06bnnq...@4ax.com>, pbarker001
@woh.rr.com says...
Darn sure they are!!!
@woh.rr.com says...
> Johnny Football <johnny_...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> >Republikkkans are the lowest form of bottom feeders.
>
> Ohhh, duca....
> Is that the best you've got? Republicans are a lot worse than that!
>
> >Republikkkans are the lowest form of bottom feeders.
>
> Ohhh, duca....
Darn sure they are!!!
W.T.S.
Jun 6, 2013, 8:46:08 AM6/6/13
to
In article <ngv0r8tu6kl5am4t1...@4ax.com>, pbarker001
@woh.rr.com says...
Excellent point, the biggest takers around are Republicans.
@woh.rr.com says...
> On Thu, 6 Jun 2013 04:53:04 -0700 (PDT), Robert H
> <cra...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> >On Jun 6, 7:30 am, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
> >> On Thu, 6 Jun 2013 03:56:59 -0700 (PDT), Robert H <craz...@comcast.net> wrote:
> >> >> Republikkkans are the lowest form of bottom feeders.
> >> >> Johnny F
> >> >I'm sitting here reading about bigots claiming republicans are bottom
> >> >feeders, as we are watching the scandals unfold with the democrats and
> >> >the IRS and the DOJ.
> >>
> >> Isn't that the truth. Maybe he's too immature to even know what's going on in
> >> DC and all the shams taking place right now.
> >
> >Did you see the latest?
> >Unions are very nervous about Obama care now.
> >
> >People have been warned about Obama, they did not listen. And the
> >worst, we don't even know about yet.
>
> Even if some of the mainstream media wakes up, ... do you really think
> the Takers of society will listen? I don't think so. Life is good
> for those who take. And Republicans will never stop taking!
> <cra...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> >On Jun 6, 7:30 am, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
> >> On Thu, 6 Jun 2013 03:56:59 -0700 (PDT), Robert H <craz...@comcast.net> wrote:
> >> >> Republikkkans are the lowest form of bottom feeders.
> >> >> Johnny F
> >> >I'm sitting here reading about bigots claiming republicans are bottom
> >> >feeders, as we are watching the scandals unfold with the democrats and
> >> >the IRS and the DOJ.
> >>
> >> Isn't that the truth. Maybe he's too immature to even know what's going on in
> >> DC and all the shams taking place right now.
> >
> >Did you see the latest?
> >Unions are very nervous about Obama care now.
> >
> >People have been warned about Obama, they did not listen. And the
> >worst, we don't even know about yet.
>
> Even if some of the mainstream media wakes up, ... do you really think
> the Takers of society will listen? I don't think so. Life is good
Excellent point, the biggest takers around are Republicans.
MarkA
Jun 6, 2013, 9:49:59 AM6/6/13
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On Thu, 06 Jun 2013 04:53:04 -0700, Robert H wrote:
> And the worst,
> we don't even know about yet.
Classic GOPper thinking! "We don't know what's going to happen, but you
> And the worst,
> we don't even know about yet.
can bet it's going to be BAD!"
The GOP excels at selling fear. Fear of big government, fear of
immigrants, fear of Muslims, fear of godlessness. The Dems may be a bunch
of bumbling buffoons, but at least they are selling an image of hope for a
better tomorrow.
--
MarkA
Keeper of Things Put There Only Just The Night Before
About eight o'clock
Robert H
Jun 6, 2013, 11:25:10 AM6/6/13
to
On Jun 6, 9:49 am, MarkA <nob...@nowhere.invalid> wrote:
> On Thu, 06 Jun 2013 04:53:04 -0700, Robert H wrote:
> > And the worst,
> > we don't even know about yet.
>
> Classic GOPper thinking! "We don't know what's going to happen, but you
> can bet it's going to be BAD!"
Classic Liberal thinking, lie, deny, evade at all cost.
> On Thu, 06 Jun 2013 04:53:04 -0700, Robert H wrote:
> > And the worst,
> > we don't even know about yet.
>
> Classic GOPper thinking! "We don't know what's going to happen, but you
> can bet it's going to be BAD!"
While everything is coming out, liberals are STILL going to lie about
it, no matter what.
>
> The GOP excels at selling fear. Fear of big government, fear of
> immigrants, fear of Muslims, fear of godlessness. The Dems may be a bunch
> of bumbling buffoons, but at least they are selling an image of hope for a
> better tomorrow.
Thanks Mark, that was good for a laugh!!!
Tom McDonald
Jun 6, 2013, 11:38:06 AM6/6/13
to
On 6/6/2013 6:53 AM, Robert H wrote:
> On Jun 6, 7:30 am, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
>> On Thu, 6 Jun 2013 03:56:59 -0700 (PDT), Robert H <craz...@comcast.net> wrote:
>>>> Republikkkans are the lowest form of bottom feeders.
>>>> Johnny F
>>> I'm sitting here reading about bigots claiming republicans are bottom
>>> feeders, as we are watching the scandals unfold with the democrats and
>>> the IRS and the DOJ.
>>
>> Isn't that the truth. Maybe he's too immature to even know what's going on in
>> DC and all the shams taking place right now.
>
> Did you see the latest?
> Unions are very nervous about Obama care now.
One or two are. Most aren't. You really need to stop watching Fox Noise
> On Jun 6, 7:30 am, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
>> On Thu, 6 Jun 2013 03:56:59 -0700 (PDT), Robert H <craz...@comcast.net> wrote:
>>>> Republikkkans are the lowest form of bottom feeders.
>>>> Johnny F
>>> I'm sitting here reading about bigots claiming republicans are bottom
>>> feeders, as we are watching the scandals unfold with the democrats and
>>> the IRS and the DOJ.
>>
>> Isn't that the truth. Maybe he's too immature to even know what's going on in
>> DC and all the shams taking place right now.
>
> Did you see the latest?
> Unions are very nervous about Obama care now.
all the time and get some real news now and again.
> People have been warned about Obama, they did not listen. And the
> worst, we don't even know about yet.
>
care costs and heading towards better health outcomes.
The Horror!
Robert H
Jun 6, 2013, 11:47:43 AM6/6/13
to
On Jun 6, 11:38 am, Tom McDonald <kilt...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 6/6/2013 6:53 AM, Robert H wrote:
>
> > On Jun 6, 7:30 am, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
> >> On Thu, 6 Jun 2013 03:56:59 -0700 (PDT), Robert H <craz...@comcast.net> wrote:
> >>>> Republikkkans are the lowest form of bottom feeders.
> >>>> Johnny F
> >>> I'm sitting here reading about bigots claiming republicans are bottom
> >>> feeders, as we are watching the scandals unfold with the democrats and
> >>> the IRS and the DOJ.
>
> >> Isn't that the truth. Maybe he's too immature to even know what's going on in
> >> DC and all the shams taking place right now.
>
> > Did you see the latest?
> > Unions are very nervous about Obama care now.
>
> One or two are. Most aren't. You really need to stop watching Fox Noise
> all the time and get some real news now and again.
Why are you afraid of Fox? Because they relentlessly are watch dogs
> On 6/6/2013 6:53 AM, Robert H wrote:
>
> > On Jun 6, 7:30 am, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
> >> On Thu, 6 Jun 2013 03:56:59 -0700 (PDT), Robert H <craz...@comcast.net> wrote:
> >>>> Republikkkans are the lowest form of bottom feeders.
> >>>> Johnny F
> >>> I'm sitting here reading about bigots claiming republicans are bottom
> >>> feeders, as we are watching the scandals unfold with the democrats and
> >>> the IRS and the DOJ.
>
> >> Isn't that the truth. Maybe he's too immature to even know what's going on in
> >> DC and all the shams taking place right now.
>
> > Did you see the latest?
> > Unions are very nervous about Obama care now.
>
> One or two are. Most aren't. You really need to stop watching Fox Noise
> all the time and get some real news now and again.
over the Democrats?
Someone else has to be, it's obvious that the other news media's
choose to be biased. I'm glad we have Fox, we need them.
Otherwise, God only knows what you're liberal Democrats would do.
Oh, now back to your "assumption".
I mean, you don't assume right? You just didn't assume that I got that
from Fox News, right? You're not that stupid are you?
Oh wait, you are.
I did not get that from Fox, it was on CNBC
http://www.cnbc.com/id/100791774?__source=xfinity|mod&par=xfinity
Careful when you assume, ok?
Kind of makes you look like an idiot.
>
> > People have been warned about Obama, they did not listen. And the
> > worst, we don't even know about yet.
>
> What we do know is that what's already in place is holding down health
> care costs and heading towards better health outcomes.
>
> The Horror!
You are truly a fool Tom...no doubt about it.
Keep your head buried though.
PATRICK
Jun 6, 2013, 1:25:06 PM6/6/13
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On Thu, 6 Jun 2013 07:34:43 -0500, "W.T.S." <m1...@earthlink.net>
wrote:
>In article <5c086e0f-f42a-47ad-b0fe-
>437957...@z8g2000yqd.googlegroups.com>, cra...@comcast.net says...
>> On Jun 6, 7:30�am, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
>> > On Thu, 6 Jun 2013 03:56:59 -0700 (PDT), Robert H <craz...@comcast.net> wrote:
>> > >> Republikkkans are the lowest form of bottom feeders.
>> > >> �Johnny F
>> > >I'm sitting here reading about bigots claiming republicans are bottom
>> > >feeders, as we are watching the scandals unfold with the democrats and
>> > >the IRS and the DOJ.
>> >
>> > Isn't that the truth. �Maybe he's too immature to even know what's going on in
>> > DC and all the shams taking place right now.
>>
>> Did you see the latest?
>> Unions are very nervous about Obama care now.
>>
>> People have been warned about Obama, they did not listen. And the
>> worst, we don't even know about yet.
>Do you have any direct experience with Obama Care? Those who have, no
>losing your insurance for being sick, no yearly or lifetime limits,
>keeping your kids on until they're 25, no pre-existing condition blocks,
>it's saving lives in droves.
Prove it.
provide names and dates.
Provide evidence.
wrote:
>In article <5c086e0f-f42a-47ad-b0fe-
>437957...@z8g2000yqd.googlegroups.com>, cra...@comcast.net says...
>> On Jun 6, 7:30�am, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
>> > On Thu, 6 Jun 2013 03:56:59 -0700 (PDT), Robert H <craz...@comcast.net> wrote:
>> > >> Republikkkans are the lowest form of bottom feeders.
>> > >> �Johnny F
>> > >I'm sitting here reading about bigots claiming republicans are bottom
>> > >feeders, as we are watching the scandals unfold with the democrats and
>> > >the IRS and the DOJ.
>> >
>> > Isn't that the truth. �Maybe he's too immature to even know what's going on in
>> > DC and all the shams taking place right now.
>>
>> Did you see the latest?
>> Unions are very nervous about Obama care now.
>>
>> People have been warned about Obama, they did not listen. And the
>> worst, we don't even know about yet.
>Do you have any direct experience with Obama Care? Those who have, no
>losing your insurance for being sick, no yearly or lifetime limits,
>keeping your kids on until they're 25, no pre-existing condition blocks,
>it's saving lives in droves.
provide names and dates.
Provide evidence.
PATRICK
Jun 6, 2013, 1:32:43 PM6/6/13
to
On Thu, 06 Jun 2013 09:49:59 -0400, MarkA <nob...@nowhere.invalid>
wrote:
>On Thu, 06 Jun 2013 04:53:04 -0700, Robert H wrote:
>
>> And the worst,
>> we don't even know about yet.
>
>Classic GOPper thinking! "We don't know what's going to happen, but you
>can bet it's going to be BAD!"
>
>The GOP excels at selling fear. Fear of big government, fear of
>immigrants, fear of Muslims, fear of godlessness. The Dems may be a bunch
>of bumbling buffoons, but at least they are selling an image of hope for a
>better tomorrow.
OH.... BULL SHIT.
The democraps are the inventors of scare tactics.
Dont' you recall Obammy's Mediscare tactics in Florida?
Or how they claim the republicans will throw old folks off Social
Security?
Democrats have been winning elections for the last half century by
scaring seniors about the loss of their health-care benefits. In 1994,
the Mediscare tactic even proved effective in Florida's gubernatorial
race. On the eve of the election, the Lawton Chiles' campaign
conducted a shameless telephone blitz aimed at seniors, implying that
GOP candidate Jeb Bush would gut their Medicare and Social Security
benefits.
Governors have no authority over Medicare or Social Security. Neither
do state legislatures. But, why let something as insignificant as the
facts get in the way of an underhanded campaign tactic? The phone
blitz swayed plenty of gullible seniors to vote for Chiles.
Predictably, Democrats have taken the old playbook off the shelf, and
are engaging in exaggeration, obfuscation, and lies.
Obama and his acolytes would have seniors believe that Romney and Ryan
are a couple of radical wretches who would, "End Medicare as we know
it." The Medicare plan put forth by Ryan as chairman of the House
Budget Committee, however, wouldn't apply to people 55 or older.
Medicare would stay exactly as it is for today's seniors, but don't
expect Democrats to mention this in their stump speeches.
The plan drafted by Ryan and Democratic Sen. Ron Wyden of Oregon also
would preserve traditional Medicare as an option for future retirees,
but Democrats on the campaign trail won't speak a word of this,
either.
-0----------
Democrats usually are masters at co-opting language. This year, the
Obama administration mandated that under the Affordable Care Act,
church-based institutions provide “access” to birth control — in
Obamaland, “access” means free, with no co-payment — to members of
their health-care plans. The order later was delayed until 2013.
Read more:
http://www.mysanantonio.com/opinion/commentary/article/Democratic-using-scare-tactics-to-bring-back-4001303.php#ixzz2VSTnzZQE
Democrats and President Barack Obama have suggested that Republicans
intend to stop Social Security payments to seniors and that they will
default on the debt unless they get their way by warning of such
consequences that have never been seen in any past shutdown.
When Republicans forced President Bill Clinton to balance the budget
by shutting down the government in the '90s, debt payments were made
and Social Security payments went out. In fact, the sun came up the
next day and the shutdown really didn't affect anyone.
http://bismarcktribune.com/news/opinion/mailbag/democrats-use-scare-tactics/article_729bfd1c-b4c8-11e0-9786-001cc4c002e0.html
Bloated federal entitlement spending has wrecked our economy. History
proves that tax increases result in less tax revenue and fewer jobs.
Borrowing money is just a deferred tax hike.
It's reasonable for Americans to expect deep cuts to federal spending.
We have borrowed enough to fund the Democrats' failed welfare state.
Senate Budget Committee Chairman Sen. Kent Conrad and the Democrats
have not offered the American people a budget in over two years as
required by law. Over that period, they have increased spending by
trillions on programs that we cannot afford, like nationalized health
care. Now that the adults are in charge and trying to write a budget,
Democrats are throwing a temper tantrum. They have done everything but
show us their plan.
As our nation nears bankruptcy, Americans must watch and learn. We
must realize why the left needs to be thrown out of power for good.
That includes "Republicans in name only."
wrote:
>On Thu, 06 Jun 2013 04:53:04 -0700, Robert H wrote:
>
>> And the worst,
>> we don't even know about yet.
>
>Classic GOPper thinking! "We don't know what's going to happen, but you
>can bet it's going to be BAD!"
>
>The GOP excels at selling fear. Fear of big government, fear of
>immigrants, fear of Muslims, fear of godlessness. The Dems may be a bunch
>of bumbling buffoons, but at least they are selling an image of hope for a
>better tomorrow.
The democraps are the inventors of scare tactics.
Dont' you recall Obammy's Mediscare tactics in Florida?
Or how they claim the republicans will throw old folks off Social
Security?
Democrats have been winning elections for the last half century by
scaring seniors about the loss of their health-care benefits. In 1994,
the Mediscare tactic even proved effective in Florida's gubernatorial
race. On the eve of the election, the Lawton Chiles' campaign
conducted a shameless telephone blitz aimed at seniors, implying that
GOP candidate Jeb Bush would gut their Medicare and Social Security
benefits.
Governors have no authority over Medicare or Social Security. Neither
do state legislatures. But, why let something as insignificant as the
facts get in the way of an underhanded campaign tactic? The phone
blitz swayed plenty of gullible seniors to vote for Chiles.
Predictably, Democrats have taken the old playbook off the shelf, and
are engaging in exaggeration, obfuscation, and lies.
Obama and his acolytes would have seniors believe that Romney and Ryan
are a couple of radical wretches who would, "End Medicare as we know
it." The Medicare plan put forth by Ryan as chairman of the House
Budget Committee, however, wouldn't apply to people 55 or older.
Medicare would stay exactly as it is for today's seniors, but don't
expect Democrats to mention this in their stump speeches.
The plan drafted by Ryan and Democratic Sen. Ron Wyden of Oregon also
would preserve traditional Medicare as an option for future retirees,
but Democrats on the campaign trail won't speak a word of this,
either.
-0----------
Democrats usually are masters at co-opting language. This year, the
Obama administration mandated that under the Affordable Care Act,
church-based institutions provide “access” to birth control — in
Obamaland, “access” means free, with no co-payment — to members of
their health-care plans. The order later was delayed until 2013.
Read more:
http://www.mysanantonio.com/opinion/commentary/article/Democratic-using-scare-tactics-to-bring-back-4001303.php#ixzz2VSTnzZQE
Democrats and President Barack Obama have suggested that Republicans
intend to stop Social Security payments to seniors and that they will
default on the debt unless they get their way by warning of such
consequences that have never been seen in any past shutdown.
When Republicans forced President Bill Clinton to balance the budget
by shutting down the government in the '90s, debt payments were made
and Social Security payments went out. In fact, the sun came up the
next day and the shutdown really didn't affect anyone.
http://bismarcktribune.com/news/opinion/mailbag/democrats-use-scare-tactics/article_729bfd1c-b4c8-11e0-9786-001cc4c002e0.html
Bloated federal entitlement spending has wrecked our economy. History
proves that tax increases result in less tax revenue and fewer jobs.
Borrowing money is just a deferred tax hike.
It's reasonable for Americans to expect deep cuts to federal spending.
We have borrowed enough to fund the Democrats' failed welfare state.
Senate Budget Committee Chairman Sen. Kent Conrad and the Democrats
have not offered the American people a budget in over two years as
required by law. Over that period, they have increased spending by
trillions on programs that we cannot afford, like nationalized health
care. Now that the adults are in charge and trying to write a budget,
Democrats are throwing a temper tantrum. They have done everything but
show us their plan.
As our nation nears bankruptcy, Americans must watch and learn. We
must realize why the left needs to be thrown out of power for good.
That includes "Republicans in name only."
duke
Jun 6, 2013, 2:18:08 PM6/6/13
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Stanislaus Stewart
Jun 6, 2013, 5:35:36 PM6/6/13
to
On 6/5/2013 11:45 PM, W.T.S. wrote:
> <http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/06/05/republican-candidate-evolution-
> false-because-chimps-cant-talk/>
>
> http://tinyurl.com/m7ddxho
>
> Republicans are so degenerate that they think the bible represents
> literal truth, when in fact the bible is made up nonsense.
Republicans don't believe in the bible, but they know that their
> <http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/06/05/republican-candidate-evolution-
> false-because-chimps-cant-talk/>
>
> http://tinyurl.com/m7ddxho
>
> Republicans are so degenerate that they think the bible represents
> literal truth, when in fact the bible is made up nonsense.
followers do, so they will use
the bible to get the support of their followers.
W.T.S.
Jun 6, 2013, 6:18:11 PM6/6/13
to
In article <3979c723-1ed1-4180-9761-bd9c73b4f236@
9g2000yqq.googlegroups.com>, cra...@comcast.net says...
9g2000yqq.googlegroups.com>, cra...@comcast.net says...
> On Jun 6, 11:38 am, Tom McDonald <kilt...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On 6/6/2013 6:53 AM, Robert H wrote:
> >
> > > On Jun 6, 7:30 am, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
> > >> On Thu, 6 Jun 2013 03:56:59 -0700 (PDT), Robert H <craz...@comcast.net> wrote:
> > >>>> Republikkkans are the lowest form of bottom feeders.
> > >>>> Johnny F
> >
> > On 6/6/2013 6:53 AM, Robert H wrote:
> >
> > > On Jun 6, 7:30 am, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
> > >> On Thu, 6 Jun 2013 03:56:59 -0700 (PDT), Robert H <craz...@comcast.net> wrote:
> > >>>> Republikkkans are the lowest form of bottom feeders.
> > >>>> Johnny F
> >
> > > Did you see the latest?
> > > Unions are very nervous about Obama care now.
> >
> > One or two are. Most aren't. You really need to stop watching Fox Noise
> > all the time and get some real news now and again.
>
> Why are you afraid of Fox? Because they relentlessly are watch dogs
> over the Democrats?
No, because Fox isn't a reliable source of news or any information.
> > > Unions are very nervous about Obama care now.
> >
> > One or two are. Most aren't. You really need to stop watching Fox Noise
> > all the time and get some real news now and again.
>
> Why are you afraid of Fox? Because they relentlessly are watch dogs
> over the Democrats?
>
> > > People have been warned about Obama, they did not listen. And the
> > > worst, we don't even know about yet.
> >
> > What we do know is that what's already in place is holding down health
> > care costs and heading towards better health outcomes.
> >
> > The Horror!
>
> > > People have been warned about Obama, they did not listen. And the
> > > worst, we don't even know about yet.
> >
> > What we do know is that what's already in place is holding down health
> > care costs and heading towards better health outcomes.
> >
> > The Horror!
>
W.T.S.
Jun 6, 2013, 6:22:07 PM6/6/13
to
In article <ieh1r8doi9m9n2tu1...@4ax.com>, pbarker001
@woh.rr.com says...
@woh.rr.com says...
>
> On Thu, 6 Jun 2013 07:34:43 -0500, "W.T.S." <m1...@earthlink.net>
> wrote:
>
> >In article <5c086e0f-f42a-47ad-b0fe-
> >437957...@z8g2000yqd.googlegroups.com>, cra...@comcast.net says...
> >> On Jun 6, 7:30 am, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
> >> > On Thu, 6 Jun 2013 03:56:59 -0700 (PDT), Robert H <craz...@comcast.net> wrote:
> >> > >> Republikkkans are the lowest form of bottom feeders.
> >> > >> Johnny F
> >> >
> On Thu, 6 Jun 2013 07:34:43 -0500, "W.T.S." <m1...@earthlink.net>
> wrote:
>
> >In article <5c086e0f-f42a-47ad-b0fe-
> >437957...@z8g2000yqd.googlegroups.com>, cra...@comcast.net says...
> >> On Jun 6, 7:30 am, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
> >> > On Thu, 6 Jun 2013 03:56:59 -0700 (PDT), Robert H <craz...@comcast.net> wrote:
> >> > >> Republikkkans are the lowest form of bottom feeders.
> >> > >> Johnny F
> >> >
> >> > Isn't that the truth. Maybe he's too immature to even know what's going on in
> >> > DC and all the shams taking place right now.
> >>
> >> > DC and all the shams taking place right now.
> >>
> >> People have been warned about Obama, they did not listen. And the
> >> worst, we don't even know about yet.
> >Do you have any direct experience with Obama Care? Those who have, no
> >losing your insurance for being sick, no yearly or lifetime limits,
> >keeping your kids on until they're 25, no pre-existing condition blocks,
> >it's saving lives in droves.
>
> Prove it.
> provide names and dates.
> Provide evidence.
> Then, you can provide proof the moon isn't made of green cheese.
> >> worst, we don't even know about yet.
> >Do you have any direct experience with Obama Care? Those who have, no
> >losing your insurance for being sick, no yearly or lifetime limits,
> >keeping your kids on until they're 25, no pre-existing condition blocks,
> >it's saving lives in droves.
>
> Prove it.
> provide names and dates.
> Provide evidence.
PATRICK
Jun 6, 2013, 7:34:42 PM6/6/13
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PATRICK
Jun 6, 2013, 7:36:10 PM6/6/13
to
On Thu, 06 Jun 2013 17:27:59 -0400, Gray
<SavageGray...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>On Wed, 5 Jun 2013 22:45:53 -0500, "W.T.S." <m1...@earthlink.net>
>wrote:
>brainwash Women into submission.
>Stop the bullets. Kill the gun.
God, you are stupid.
<SavageGray...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>On Wed, 5 Jun 2013 22:45:53 -0500, "W.T.S." <m1...@earthlink.net>
>wrote:
>
>>
>><http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/06/05/republican-candidate-evolution-
>>false-because-chimps-cant-talk/>
>>
>>http://tinyurl.com/m7ddxho
>>
>>Republicans are so degenerate that they think the bible represents
>>literal truth, when in fact the bible is made up nonsense.
>>
>
>The Bible is nothing other than males trying their very best to
>>
>><http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/06/05/republican-candidate-evolution-
>>false-because-chimps-cant-talk/>
>>
>>http://tinyurl.com/m7ddxho
>>
>>Republicans are so degenerate that they think the bible represents
>>literal truth, when in fact the bible is made up nonsense.
>>
>
>brainwash Women into submission.
>Stop the bullets. Kill the gun.
God, you are stupid.
Jeanne Douglas
Jun 6, 2013, 9:12:09 PM6/6/13
to
In article <ngv0r8tu6kl5am4t1...@4ax.com>,
What free cell phones?
What free debit cards?
What free healthcare?
--
JD
"Osama Bin Laden is dead and GM is alive."--VP Joseph Biden
What free debit cards?
What free healthcare?
--
JD
"Osama Bin Laden is dead and GM is alive."--VP Joseph Biden
Jeanne Douglas
Jun 6, 2013, 9:16:41 PM6/6/13
to
In article <cgh1r817f1d40edcd...@4ax.com>,
PATRICK <pbark...@woh.rr.com> wrote:
> On Thu, 06 Jun 2013 09:49:59 -0400, MarkA <nob...@nowhere.invalid>
> wrote:
>
> >On Thu, 06 Jun 2013 04:53:04 -0700, Robert H wrote:
> >
> >> And the worst,
> >> we don't even know about yet.
> >
> >Classic GOPper thinking! "We don't know what's going to happen, but you
> >can bet it's going to be BAD!"
> >
> >The GOP excels at selling fear. Fear of big government, fear of
> >immigrants, fear of Muslims, fear of godlessness. The Dems may be a bunch
> >of bumbling buffoons, but at least they are selling an image of hope for a
> >better tomorrow.
>
> OH.... BULL SHIT.
> The democraps are the inventors of scare tactics.
> Dont' you recall Obammy's Mediscare tactics in Florida?
No, I don't. Care to remind us all.
> On Thu, 06 Jun 2013 09:49:59 -0400, MarkA <nob...@nowhere.invalid>
> wrote:
>
> >On Thu, 06 Jun 2013 04:53:04 -0700, Robert H wrote:
> >
> >> And the worst,
> >> we don't even know about yet.
> >
> >Classic GOPper thinking! "We don't know what's going to happen, but you
> >can bet it's going to be BAD!"
> >
> >The GOP excels at selling fear. Fear of big government, fear of
> >immigrants, fear of Muslims, fear of godlessness. The Dems may be a bunch
> >of bumbling buffoons, but at least they are selling an image of hope for a
> >better tomorrow.
>
> OH.... BULL SHIT.
> The democraps are the inventors of scare tactics.
> Dont' you recall Obammy's Mediscare tactics in Florida?
MarkA
Jun 6, 2013, 10:46:22 PM6/6/13
to
On Thu, 06 Jun 2013 13:32:43 -0400, PATRICK wrote:
> On Thu, 06 Jun 2013 09:49:59 -0400, MarkA <nob...@nowhere.invalid> wrote:
>
>>On Thu, 06 Jun 2013 04:53:04 -0700, Robert H wrote:
>>
>>> And the worst,
>>> we don't even know about yet.
>>
>>Classic GOPper thinking! "We don't know what's going to happen, but you
>>can bet it's going to be BAD!"
>>
>>The GOP excels at selling fear. Fear of big government, fear of
>>immigrants, fear of Muslims, fear of godlessness. The Dems may be a
>>bunch of bumbling buffoons, but at least they are selling an image of
>>hope for a better tomorrow.
>
> OH.... BULL SHIT.
> The democraps are the inventors of scare tactics. Dont' you recall
> Obammy's Mediscare tactics in Florida? Or how they claim the republicans
> will throw old folks off Social Security?
Yeah, I remember those nasty Dems like McCain and Palin talking about
> On Thu, 06 Jun 2013 09:49:59 -0400, MarkA <nob...@nowhere.invalid> wrote:
>
>>On Thu, 06 Jun 2013 04:53:04 -0700, Robert H wrote:
>>
>>> And the worst,
>>> we don't even know about yet.
>>
>>Classic GOPper thinking! "We don't know what's going to happen, but you
>>can bet it's going to be BAD!"
>>
>>The GOP excels at selling fear. Fear of big government, fear of
>>immigrants, fear of Muslims, fear of godlessness. The Dems may be a
>>bunch of bumbling buffoons, but at least they are selling an image of
>>hope for a better tomorrow.
>
> OH.... BULL SHIT.
> The democraps are the inventors of scare tactics. Dont' you recall
> Obammy's Mediscare tactics in Florida? Or how they claim the republicans
> will throw old folks off Social Security?
Obamacare "death squads" that were going to go around the country,
executing the elderly for being too expensive. Is that who you mean?
W.T.S.
Jun 7, 2013, 3:05:18 AM6/7/13
to
In article <s372r8hsgh50uvro3...@4ax.com>, pbarker001
How about the famines in Africa? Want some evidence:
http://www.missionariesofafrica.org/challenges/water1.html
http://www.africanhunger.org/
<http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2133992/West-Africa-famine-
threatening-kill-23million-starvation.html>
http://tinyurl.com/btquh23
Enjoy! (I know you will.)
http://www.missionariesofafrica.org/challenges/water1.html
http://www.africanhunger.org/
<http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2133992/West-Africa-famine-
threatening-kill-23million-starvation.html>
http://tinyurl.com/btquh23
Enjoy! (I know you will.)
>
We are indeed Carcinoma Sapiens, destroying, by insane fecundity, that
which we need to survive.
>
We are indeed Carcinoma Sapiens, destroying, by insane fecundity, that
which we need to survive.
>
W.T.S.
Jun 7, 2013, 3:07:33 AM6/7/13
to
In article <h672r85skuu4ipg2f...@4ax.com>, pbarker001
@woh.rr.com says...
> God, I'm stupid! I actually swallow Catholic Dogma.
It's time to stop, Patrick.
@woh.rr.com says...
It's time to stop, Patrick.
duke
Jun 7, 2013, 7:06:11 AM6/7/13
to
>On Jun 6, 7:30 am, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
>> On Thu, 6 Jun 2013 03:56:59 -0700 (PDT), Robert H <craz...@comcast.net> wrote:
>> >> Republikkkans are the lowest form of bottom feeders.
>> >> Johnny F
>> On Thu, 6 Jun 2013 03:56:59 -0700 (PDT), Robert H <craz...@comcast.net> wrote:
>> >> Republikkkans are the lowest form of bottom feeders.
>> >> Johnny F
>> >I'm sitting here reading about bigots claiming republicans are bottom
>> >feeders, as we are watching the scandals unfold with the democrats and
>> >the IRS and the DOJ.
>>
>> >feeders, as we are watching the scandals unfold with the democrats and
>> >the IRS and the DOJ.
>>
>> Isn't that the truth. Maybe he's too immature to even know what's going on in
>> DC and all the shams taking place right now.
>
>> DC and all the shams taking place right now.
>
>Did you see the latest?
>Unions are very nervous about Obama care now.
Yes I did. Their costs are going up too. Buckwheat's credibility is sinking
>Unions are very nervous about Obama care now.
fast. Even the NYTimes is turning against him. Enough pressure and it may be
repealed.
>People have been warned about Obama, they did not listen. And the
>worst, we don't even know about yet.
PATRICK
Jun 7, 2013, 7:08:47 AM6/7/13
to
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believe having reliable cell phone service is a right not a privilege
and want to give you the freedom to communicate without paying another
cell phone bill again. Qualifying individuals receive a FREE cell
phone with 250 free minutes each month!"
>What free debit cards?
http://abclocal.go.com/wabc/story?section=news/investigators&id=8623276
Promise of 'Obama money' has crowds lining up
hotair.com/greenroom/archives/2012/04/17/promise-of-oba...
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Alcohol ... EBT cards: one used strictly for food and one that can be
used as a debit card ...
>
>What free healthcare?
Wednesday, March 20, 2013, 11:48 AM. Speechless.
Senate Democrats Vote To Give Free Healthcare And Obamacare ...
www.budget.senate.gov/republican/public/index.../press-releases?ID...?
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Mar 20, 2013 – Illegal aliens make commercial demanding free
healthcare, Because California has so much extra cash!
PATRICK
Jun 7, 2013, 7:10:09 AM6/7/13
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PATRICK
Jun 7, 2013, 7:10:51 AM6/7/13
to
duke
Jun 7, 2013, 7:11:04 AM6/7/13
to
On Thu, 06 Jun 2013 09:49:59 -0400, MarkA <nob...@nowhere.invalid> wrote:
>On Thu, 06 Jun 2013 04:53:04 -0700, Robert H wrote:
>
>> And the worst,
>> we don't even know about yet.
>
>Classic GOPper thinking! "We don't know what's going to happen, but you
>can bet it's going to be BAD!"
Your boy has been going downhill since day 1. And we're looking forward to
>
>> And the worst,
>> we don't even know about yet.
>
>Classic GOPper thinking! "We don't know what's going to happen, but you
>can bet it's going to be BAD!"
getting rid of the politicians that were paid to vote for obamacare. Bourbon
street mary is one.
>The GOP excels at selling fear. Fear of big government, fear of
>immigrants, fear of Muslims, fear of godlessness. The Dems may be a bunch
>of bumbling buffoons, but at least they are selling an image of hope for a
>better tomorrow.
kids are definitely gaining.
PATRICK
Jun 7, 2013, 7:11:40 AM6/7/13
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On Thu, 06 Jun 2013 22:46:22 -0400, MarkA <nob...@nowhere.invalid>
I am waiting..............
wrote:
>On Thu, 06 Jun 2013 13:32:43 -0400, PATRICK wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 06 Jun 2013 09:49:59 -0400, MarkA <nob...@nowhere.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>>On Thu, 06 Jun 2013 04:53:04 -0700, Robert H wrote:
>>>
>>>> And the worst,
>>>> we don't even know about yet.
>>>
>>>Classic GOPper thinking! "We don't know what's going to happen, but you
>>>can bet it's going to be BAD!"
>>>
>>>The GOP excels at selling fear. Fear of big government, fear of
>>>immigrants, fear of Muslims, fear of godlessness. The Dems may be a
>>>bunch of bumbling buffoons, but at least they are selling an image of
>>>hope for a better tomorrow.
>>
>> OH.... BULL SHIT.
>> The democraps are the inventors of scare tactics. Dont' you recall
>> Obammy's Mediscare tactics in Florida? Or how they claim the republicans
>> will throw old folks off Social Security?
>
>Yeah, I remember those nasty Dems like McCain and Palin talking about
>Obamacare "death squads" that were going to go around the country,
>executing the elderly for being too expensive. Is that who you mean?
Give me a quote from either of them.
>On Thu, 06 Jun 2013 13:32:43 -0400, PATRICK wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 06 Jun 2013 09:49:59 -0400, MarkA <nob...@nowhere.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>>On Thu, 06 Jun 2013 04:53:04 -0700, Robert H wrote:
>>>
>>>> And the worst,
>>>> we don't even know about yet.
>>>
>>>Classic GOPper thinking! "We don't know what's going to happen, but you
>>>can bet it's going to be BAD!"
>>>
>>>The GOP excels at selling fear. Fear of big government, fear of
>>>immigrants, fear of Muslims, fear of godlessness. The Dems may be a
>>>bunch of bumbling buffoons, but at least they are selling an image of
>>>hope for a better tomorrow.
>>
>> OH.... BULL SHIT.
>> The democraps are the inventors of scare tactics. Dont' you recall
>> Obammy's Mediscare tactics in Florida? Or how they claim the republicans
>> will throw old folks off Social Security?
>
>Yeah, I remember those nasty Dems like McCain and Palin talking about
>Obamacare "death squads" that were going to go around the country,
>executing the elderly for being too expensive. Is that who you mean?
I am waiting..............
PATRICK
Jun 7, 2013, 7:13:18 AM6/7/13
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"W.T.S." <m1...@earthlink.net> wrote:
more of his stupid shit.
You've earned an all expense paid trip to my kill-file, wtf.
ba-bye.
more of his stupid shit.
You've earned an all expense paid trip to my kill-file, wtf.
ba-bye.
duke
Jun 7, 2013, 7:19:59 AM6/7/13
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It's coming, baby, and it's losers like you that approved it.
Medicare reimbursement to doctors is being cut 27%. I can see a doctor saying
27% cash first for service. Or even, some doctors turning to fee first for
service; you go see what medicare will reimburse YOU. Here's your insurance
papers to fill out.
I see the doctor's insurance office services being eliminated. It used to be
that way 20 years ago.
MarkA
Jun 7, 2013, 10:26:40 AM6/7/13
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From Sarah Palin's Facebook page:
https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=24718773587&sk=notes
Statement on the Current Health Care Debate
by Sarah Palin (Notes) on Friday, August 7, 2009 at 1:26pm
The America I know and love is not one in which my parents or my baby
with Down Syndrome will have to stand in front of Obama's "death
panel" so his bureaucrats can decide, based on a subjective judgment of
their "level of productivity in society," whether they are worthy of
health care. Such a system is downright evil.
MarkA
Jun 7, 2013, 10:28:59 AM6/7/13
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doctors moving to "cash only" practice, has been going on for over a
decade. It is a symptom of the failing health care system that Obamacare
is trying to address, instead of just letting it continue to crumble, as
the GOPpers want to do.
Robert H
Jun 7, 2013, 4:46:47 PM6/7/13
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meant.
She is not alone in her thinking, and more people are realizing that
Obama care is going to sink this economy and do more damage than good.
http://www.thefiscaltimes.com/Columns/2013/05/02/Unravel-Obamacare-and-You-Get-a-Train-Wreck.aspx#page1
Unravel Obamacare and You Get a Train Wreck
Doctors drop out of Medicare; employers turn full-time jobs to part
time; plan premiums skyrocket. All result from Obama’s health care
law.
By EDWARD MORRISSEY, The Fiscal Times
May 2, 2013
Barack Obama held his first open press conference in almost two months
this week, perhaps anticipating that the White House press corps would
be interested in asking him about the sequester.
Instead, the presser began with a challenge to the President over
Syria and the Benghazi attack, ended with a question about a gay NBA
player -- and in the middle put Obama on the spot over his signature
legislative victory from three year ago--the Patient Protection and
Affordable Care Act (ACA), commonly called Obamacare.
NBC’s Chuck Todd reminded the President that a Senator of his own
party, the now-retiring Montanan Max Baucus who helped write and push
the ACA, called the legislation a “train wreck.” Todd asked Obama why
Baucus would say that and how Obama would respond. Obama’s response
proved to be a train wreck of its own.
“For the 85 to 90 percent of Americans who already have health
insurance,” Obama helpfully informed his audience, “they're already
experiencing most of the benefits of the Affordable Care Act -- even
if they don't know it.” Insisting that the implementation has already
been accomplished for the already-insured, Obama claimed, “Now they
don't have to worry about anything else.”
Nonsense, scoffed Washington Post fact checker Glenn Kessler. “There
are a variety of studies and reports that suggest that, beyond those
groups, some 10 million people face the prospect of losing their
current health care,” Kessler said in rebuttal to the President’s
remarks.
A University of Chicago study shows that nearly half of existing
individual plans (as opposed to employer-provided group plans) will
not qualify under Obamacare mandates for coverage. This means that
these already-insured Americans will have to start shopping around
again and spend more--25 percent more or even worse. In Oregon, one
insurer is applying for a 53 percent increase in individual-plan
premiums in order to bring their insurance into compliance with the
ACA, including the pre-existing condition mandate.
Bear in mind that one of the benefits listed by Obama in yesterday’s
presser was for individual policyholders who “are paying exorbitant
amounts for coverage that isn't that great.”
Medicare recipients have even bigger problems to consider. They may
not see huge premium hikes, but they will have fewer providers from
which to choose, thanks to reductions in reimbursements that are the
Democrats’ idea of cost control. The program’s own actuary warned that
15 percent of current providers may stop taking Medicare patients at
all, which will drive up wait times and impact the quality of care
available for those in the retirement system. They certainly have a
few things to worry about, contra Obama’s reassurances.
Besides, the people who really need to worry are those about to be
thrown onto the individual market. Employers are looking for ways to
reduce existing employees to part-time status in order to duck the
mandate to provide subsidized group insurance. NPR reported this week
on the business trend, which would save costs to the company but
massively increase costs for Obamacare thanks to its system of
subsidizing individual plan purchases through the ACA exchanges.
That will create a need for more revenues through Obamacare taxes,
which will already hit most Americans either directly through Social
Security tax increases or through levies on medical devices and more,
which will force providers to raise their prices.
Even the people who will now be able to buy insurance for the first
time through the exchanges have headaches in front of them. The
Department of Health and Human Services’ application process
originally ran to 23 pages when first rolled out, creating “a storm of
complaints” over paperwork and red tape, according to the Associated
Press.
This week, HHS revised the application to just five pages – but only
for single plans. (Obama said it was “about three pages” long in his
press conference.) Family plan applications run twelve pages, and
neither of those count the extensive documentation required on
tangible assets, employment and income, and any alimony, child
support, and even tips from the job. That’s just the start. After
completing all of that – which would not be necessary in a true market
exchange – people still need to navigate the state/federal exchange to
figure out what kind of insurance they need and can afford, as the
Associated Press points out.
Bear in mind, too, that the ACA’s ostensible goal was to insure the
currently uninsured. As Obama admitted in his press conference, we
still have 30 million people uninsured more than three years after the
passage of the bill. Obama called them “a relatively narrow group,”
but they represent “10 to 15 percent of Americans,” according to
Obama.
The pre-existing condition mandate has been in place since Obamacare
was passed, but the bill has not led many uninsured to sign up for
coverage. With several states balking at the expense of expanding
Medicaid to absorb some of these uninsured – which would pass costs to
their taxpayers – most of the headaches, costs, and trouble will fall
on the already-insured.
Moreover, there is one more already-covered constituency to consider –
Democrats in Congress. Baucus isn’t the only Capitol Hill Democrat
worried about a “train wreck,” according to The Hill. Even those not
yet on Capitol Hill have distanced themselves from the unpopular
program. Elizabeth Colbert Busch, a Democrat running for a House seat
in a South Carolina special election, called the ACA “extremely
problematic.”
As 2014 draws ever closer, and the true scale of the problems of
ObamaCare become apparent, expect more Democratic incumbents to
commiserate with their constituents about the “extremely problematic”
“train wreck” they imposed on them. They had better not expect the
voters to let them off the hook, however, no matter how many times
Obama tells them they have nothing to worry about.
W.T.S.
Jun 7, 2013, 6:15:47 PM6/7/13
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In article <4a408f55-2165-46ff-9c11-0f4987882e87
@v2g2000yqa.googlegroups.com>, cra...@comcast.net says...
>
We're interesting in an internet lie rag run by right wing loons, why
again?
@v2g2000yqa.googlegroups.com>, cra...@comcast.net says...
> On Jun 7, 10:26 am, MarkA <nob...@nowhere.invalid> wrote:
> > On Fri, 07 Jun 2013 07:11:40 -0400, PATRICK wrote:
> > > On Thu, 06 Jun 2013 22:46:22 -0400, MarkA <nob...@nowhere.invalid> wrote:
> >
> > >>On Thu, 06 Jun 2013 13:32:43 -0400, PATRICK wrote:
> >
> > >>> On Thu, 06 Jun 2013 09:49:59 -0400, MarkA <nob...@nowhere.invalid>
> > >>> wrote:
> >
> > >>>>On Thu, 06 Jun 2013 04:53:04 -0700, Robert H wrote:
> >
> > >>>>The GOP excels at selling fear. Fear of big government, fear of
> > >>>>immigrants, fear of Muslims, fear of godlessness. The Dems may be a
> > >>>>bunch of bumbling buffoons, but at least they are selling an image of
> > >>>>hope for a better tomorrow.
> >
> > On Fri, 07 Jun 2013 07:11:40 -0400, PATRICK wrote:
> > > On Thu, 06 Jun 2013 22:46:22 -0400, MarkA <nob...@nowhere.invalid> wrote:
> >
> > >>On Thu, 06 Jun 2013 13:32:43 -0400, PATRICK wrote:
> >
> > >>> On Thu, 06 Jun 2013 09:49:59 -0400, MarkA <nob...@nowhere.invalid>
> > >>> wrote:
> >
> > >>>>On Thu, 06 Jun 2013 04:53:04 -0700, Robert H wrote:
> >
> > >>>>The GOP excels at selling fear. Fear of big government, fear of
> > >>>>immigrants, fear of Muslims, fear of godlessness. The Dems may be a
> > >>>>bunch of bumbling buffoons, but at least they are selling an image of
> > >>>>hope for a better tomorrow.
> >
> > >>Yeah, I remember those nasty Dems like McCain and Palin talking
> > >>Obamacare "death squads" that were going to go around the country,
> > >>executing the elderly for being too expensive. Is that who you mean?
> >
> > > Give me a quote from either of them.
> > > I am waiting..............
> >
> > Your wait is over!
> >
> > From Sarah Palin's Facebook page:
> >
> > https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=24718773587&sk=notes
> >
> > Statement on the Current Health Care Debate
> > by Sarah Palin (Notes) on Friday, August 7, 2009 at 1:26pm
> >
> > The America I know and love is not one in which my parents or my baby
> > with Down Syndrome will have to stand in front of Obama's "death
> > panel" so his bureaucrats can decide, based on a subjective judgment of
> > their "level of productivity in society," whether they are worthy of
> > health care. Such a system is downright evil.
> >
> > >>executing the elderly for being too expensive. Is that who you mean?
> >
> > > Give me a quote from either of them.
> > > I am waiting..............
> >
> > Your wait is over!
> >
> > From Sarah Palin's Facebook page:
> >
> > https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=24718773587&sk=notes
> >
> > Statement on the Current Health Care Debate
> > by Sarah Palin (Notes) on Friday, August 7, 2009 at 1:26pm
> >
> > The America I know and love is not one in which my parents or my baby
> > with Down Syndrome will have to stand in front of Obama's "death
> > panel" so his bureaucrats can decide, based on a subjective judgment of
> > their "level of productivity in society," whether they are worthy of
> > health care. Such a system is downright evil.
> >
> > MarkA
> > Keeper of Things Put There Only Just The Night Before
> > About eight o'clock
>
> Now, why don't you try to figure out why she said that and what she
> meant.
>
> She is not alone in her thinking, and more people are realizing that
> Obama care is going to sink this economy and do more damage than good.
>
> http://www.TheFuckingTimes.biz/Lies/Propaganda/Disinformation/Hate/
> > Keeper of Things Put There Only Just The Night Before
> > About eight o'clock
>
> Now, why don't you try to figure out why she said that and what she
> meant.
>
> She is not alone in her thinking, and more people are realizing that
> Obama care is going to sink this economy and do more damage than good.
>
>
We're interesting in an internet lie rag run by right wing loons, why
again?
>
We are indeed Carcinoma Sapiens, destroying, by insane fecundity, that
which we need to survive.
>
We are indeed Carcinoma Sapiens, destroying, by insane fecundity, that
which we need to survive.
>
MarkA
Jun 7, 2013, 6:20:25 PM6/7/13
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challenged me to produce a quote of Palin or McCain talking about "death
squads", and I did.
Jeanne Douglas
Jun 7, 2013, 7:11:51 PM6/7/13
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In article <luf3r8lgafccjfqej...@4ax.com>,
You're actually pretending that you never heard Palin bitching about
death panels? That you didn't see her get the "Lie of the Year" from
Politifact?
And you think ANYbody is going to believe you?
death panels? That you didn't see her get the "Lie of the Year" from
Politifact?
And you think ANYbody is going to believe you?
Jeanne Douglas
Jun 7, 2013, 7:16:48 PM6/7/13
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In article <ltf3r89e1a7oci8pm...@4ax.com>,
How is the truth a scare tactic?
Ryan's plan is to turn Medicare into a voucher system. That IS
destroying Medicare as we know it.
Ryan's plan is to turn Medicare into a voucher system. That IS
destroying Medicare as we know it.
Jeanne Douglas
Jun 7, 2013, 7:17:53 PM6/7/13
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Jeanne Douglas
Jun 7, 2013, 7:19:40 PM6/7/13
to
In article <dif3r8pejojmqh7sq...@4ax.com>,
duke <duckg...@cox.net> wrote:
> On Thu, 6 Jun 2013 04:53:04 -0700 (PDT), Robert H <cra...@comcast.net>
> wrote:
>
> >On Jun 6, 7:30 am, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
> >> On Thu, 6 Jun 2013 03:56:59 -0700 (PDT), Robert H <craz...@comcast.net>
> >> wrote:
> >> >> Republikkkans are the lowest form of bottom feeders.
> >> >> Johnny F
> >> >I'm sitting here reading about bigots claiming republicans are bottom
> >> >feeders, as we are watching the scandals unfold with the democrats and
> >> >the IRS and the DOJ.
> >>
> >> Isn't that the truth. Maybe he's too immature to even know what's going
> >> on in
> >> DC and all the shams taking place right now.
> >
> >Did you see the latest?
> >Unions are very nervous about Obama care now.
>
> Yes I did. Their costs are going up too. Buckwheat's credibility is sinking
> fast. Even the NYTimes is turning against him. Enough pressure and it may
> be
> repealed.
That's NEVER going to happen.
> On Thu, 6 Jun 2013 04:53:04 -0700 (PDT), Robert H <cra...@comcast.net>
> wrote:
>
> >On Jun 6, 7:30 am, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
> >> On Thu, 6 Jun 2013 03:56:59 -0700 (PDT), Robert H <craz...@comcast.net>
> >> wrote:
> >> >> Republikkkans are the lowest form of bottom feeders.
> >> >> Johnny F
> >> >I'm sitting here reading about bigots claiming republicans are bottom
> >> >feeders, as we are watching the scandals unfold with the democrats and
> >> >the IRS and the DOJ.
> >>
> >> Isn't that the truth. Maybe he's too immature to even know what's going
> >> on in
> >> DC and all the shams taking place right now.
> >
> >Did you see the latest?
> >Unions are very nervous about Obama care now.
>
> Yes I did. Their costs are going up too. Buckwheat's credibility is sinking
> fast. Even the NYTimes is turning against him. Enough pressure and it may
> be
> repealed.
Free Lunch
Jun 7, 2013, 7:21:33 PM6/7/13
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On Fri, 07 Jun 2013 16:16:48 -0700, Jeanne Douglas
<hlwd...@NOSPAMgmail.com> wrote in alt.atheism:
Patrick hates the truth and has chosen to lie about it rather than admit
that he was suckered by Ayn Rand-worshipping Paul Ryan. Patrick still
doesn't understand that Paul Ryan calls himself Catholic just to get
fools like Patrick to vote for Ryan. Ryan's district has a lot of fools
like Patrick.
<hlwd...@NOSPAMgmail.com> wrote in alt.atheism:
that he was suckered by Ayn Rand-worshipping Paul Ryan. Patrick still
doesn't understand that Paul Ryan calls himself Catholic just to get
fools like Patrick to vote for Ryan. Ryan's district has a lot of fools
like Patrick.
Free Lunch
Jun 7, 2013, 7:25:46 PM6/7/13
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On Fri, 07 Jun 2013 16:19:40 -0700, Jeanne Douglas
<hlwd...@NOSPAMgmail.com> wrote in alt.atheism:
>In article <dif3r8pejojmqh7sq...@4ax.com>,
> duke <duckg...@cox.net> wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 6 Jun 2013 04:53:04 -0700 (PDT), Robert H <cra...@comcast.net>
>> wrote:
>>
<hlwd...@NOSPAMgmail.com> wrote in alt.atheism:
>In article <dif3r8pejojmqh7sq...@4ax.com>,
> duke <duckg...@cox.net> wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 6 Jun 2013 04:53:04 -0700 (PDT), Robert H <cra...@comcast.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >On Jun 6, 7:30!m, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
>> >> On Thu, 6 Jun 2013 03:56:59 -0700 (PDT), Robert H <craz...@comcast.net>
>> >> wrote:
>> >> >> Republikkkans are the lowest form of bottom feeders.
>> >> >>
>> >> On Thu, 6 Jun 2013 03:56:59 -0700 (PDT), Robert H <craz...@comcast.net>
>> >> wrote:
>> >> >> Republikkkans are the lowest form of bottom feeders.
>> >> >>
>ohnny F
>> >> >I'm sitting here reading about bigots claiming republicans are bottom
>> >> >feeders, as we are watching the scandals unfold with the democrats and
>> >> >the IRS and the DOJ.
>> >>
>> >> Isn't that the truth.
>> >> >I'm sitting here reading about bigots claiming republicans are bottom
>> >> >feeders, as we are watching the scandals unfold with the democrats and
>> >> >the IRS and the DOJ.
>> >>
>> >> Isn't that the truth.
>aybe he's too immature to even know what's going
>> >> on in
>> >> DC and all the shams taking place right now.
>> >
>> >Did you see the latest?
>> >Unions are very nervous about Obama care now.
>>
>> Yes I did. Their costs are going up too. Buckwheat's credibility is sinking
>> fast. Even the NYTimes is turning against him. Enough pressure and it may
>> be
>> repealed.
>
> That's NEVER going to happen.
Single payer might do it.
>> >> on in
>> >> DC and all the shams taking place right now.
>> >
>> >Did you see the latest?
>> >Unions are very nervous about Obama care now.
>>
>> Yes I did. Their costs are going up too. Buckwheat's credibility is sinking
>> fast. Even the NYTimes is turning against him. Enough pressure and it may
>> be
>> repealed.
>
> That's NEVER going to happen.
Robert H
Jun 7, 2013, 8:11:10 PM6/7/13
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You
> challenged me to produce a quote of Palin or McCain talking about "death
> squads", and I did.
if you actually tried to understand what she said and why.
AND...I posted information on how damaging Obama care is going to
be.
You just showed you're a hater.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gLD6D_d18hM&list=PLcz38-xDar5ceQQDU_xY4aplzcTM14w7M
Jeanne Douglas
Jun 7, 2013, 9:54:30 PM6/7/13
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In article <8vq4r8h7qmm55ijdd...@4ax.com>,
True.
But, of course, that's not what poor poor dukie meant.
But, of course, that's not what poor poor dukie meant.
W.T.S.
Jun 8, 2013, 12:52:35 AM6/8/13
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In article <hlwdjsd2-C90677...@news.giganews.com>, hlwdjsd2
@NOSPAMgmail.com says...
Yes. It helps when everyone can call 911 in a hurry, especially in
certain low income areas. A lot more perps get caught in a hurry.
@NOSPAMgmail.com says...
certain low income areas. A lot more perps get caught in a hurry.
W.T.S.
Jun 8, 2013, 1:07:45 AM6/8/13
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In article <8vq4r8h7qmm55ijdd...@4ax.com>,
lu...@nofreelunch.us says...
Yes, but the insurance lobby is far too strong. It would be much
cheaper and much more efficient all around. Insurance companies have an
overhead of 25 cents on the dollar collected. Medicare has an overhead
of 3 cents on the dollar collected. Do the math. Do you think any
lobbyist is going to let go of that gravy train? The CEOs of private
insurance companies get multi-million dollar salaries. The CEO of
Medicare is a GS person. Subtract the difference in salary! Private
insurance answers to no one. Medicare answers to Congress (both
houses), the President and the Supreme Court. Why do you think Medicare
rules can change while private insurance doesn't? Canada has a single
payer system, and it works just fine despite all the disinformation you
hear about it. But, we'll never have it here unless the whole medical
system falls apart.
lu...@nofreelunch.us says...
cheaper and much more efficient all around. Insurance companies have an
overhead of 25 cents on the dollar collected. Medicare has an overhead
of 3 cents on the dollar collected. Do the math. Do you think any
lobbyist is going to let go of that gravy train? The CEOs of private
insurance companies get multi-million dollar salaries. The CEO of
Medicare is a GS person. Subtract the difference in salary! Private
insurance answers to no one. Medicare answers to Congress (both
houses), the President and the Supreme Court. Why do you think Medicare
rules can change while private insurance doesn't? Canada has a single
payer system, and it works just fine despite all the disinformation you
hear about it. But, we'll never have it here unless the whole medical
system falls apart.
Kenny McCormack
Jun 8, 2013, 3:54:08 AM6/8/13
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In article <pan.2013.06.07....@nowhere.invalid>,
MarkA <nob...@nowhere.invalid> wrote:
...
--
"That's the eternal flame."[7] The single became another worldwide hit.[8]
Hoffs was actually naked when she recorded the song, after being convinced
by Sigerson that Olivia Newton-John got her amazing performances by
recording everything while naked.[9]
(From: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Bangles)
MarkA <nob...@nowhere.invalid> wrote:
...
>Because I don't give a flying fuck what Palin says about anything. You
>challenged me to produce a quote of Palin or McCain talking about "death
>squads", and I did.
panels, squads, whatever...
>challenged me to produce a quote of Palin or McCain talking about "death
>squads", and I did.
--
"That's the eternal flame."[7] The single became another worldwide hit.[8]
Hoffs was actually naked when she recorded the song, after being convinced
by Sigerson that Olivia Newton-John got her amazing performances by
recording everything while naked.[9]
(From: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Bangles)
Kenny McCormack
Jun 8, 2013, 4:09:24 AM6/8/13
to
In article <hlwdjsd2-2E6B0D...@news.giganews.com>,
is to insist on URL-confirmation for simple, obvious facts. The tactic is
to avoid actually asserting that the thing in question is false (since it
obviously isn't - and to assert that would be to look silly), but rather to
imply that unless it can be URL-confirmed, then the truth of it is somehow
still "up for grabs".
For examnple, they may demand that you produce a URL-confirm that 2+2=4.
Something which is, in fact, pretty hard to do. I challenge you to find a
standard, accepted, commonly available web site that states, unequivacally,
that 2+2=4.
[*] Tea Party Whackoffs
P.S. The only URL you will ever need: http://www.xmission.com/~gazelle/Truth
--
Just for a change of pace, this sig is *not* an obscure reference to
comp.lang.c...
Jeanne Douglas <hlwd...@NOSPAMgmail.com> wrote:
...
>You're actually pretending that you never heard Palin bitching about
>death panels? That you didn't see her get the "Lie of the Year" from
>Politifact?
>
>And you think ANYbody is going to believe you?
There's a new tactic being used by the TPWs [*] on these newsgroups - which
...
>You're actually pretending that you never heard Palin bitching about
>death panels? That you didn't see her get the "Lie of the Year" from
>Politifact?
>
>And you think ANYbody is going to believe you?
is to insist on URL-confirmation for simple, obvious facts. The tactic is
to avoid actually asserting that the thing in question is false (since it
obviously isn't - and to assert that would be to look silly), but rather to
imply that unless it can be URL-confirmed, then the truth of it is somehow
still "up for grabs".
For examnple, they may demand that you produce a URL-confirm that 2+2=4.
Something which is, in fact, pretty hard to do. I challenge you to find a
standard, accepted, commonly available web site that states, unequivacally,
that 2+2=4.
[*] Tea Party Whackoffs
P.S. The only URL you will ever need: http://www.xmission.com/~gazelle/Truth
--
Just for a change of pace, this sig is *not* an obscure reference to
comp.lang.c...
Kenny McCormack
Jun 8, 2013, 4:10:26 AM6/8/13
to
In article <hlwdjsd2-28154F...@news.giganews.com>,
everything.
--
A liberal, a moderate, and a conservative walk into a bar...
Bartender says, "Hi, Mitt!"
Jeanne Douglas <hlwd...@NOSPAMgmail.com> wrote:
...
...
>> Yes I did. Their costs are going up too. Buckwheat's credibility is sinking
>> fast. Even the NYTimes is turning against him. Enough pressure and it may
>> be
>> repealed.
>
> That's NEVER going to happen.
Agreed. I think we can apply the universal rule that "Duke" is wrong about
>> fast. Even the NYTimes is turning against him. Enough pressure and it may
>> be
>> repealed.
>
> That's NEVER going to happen.
everything.
--
A liberal, a moderate, and a conservative walk into a bar...
Bartender says, "Hi, Mitt!"
PATRICK
Jun 8, 2013, 7:00:00 AM6/8/13
to
On Fri, 07 Jun 2013 16:17:53 -0700, Jeanne Douglas
We gave away cell phones back then??
PATRICK
Jun 8, 2013, 7:04:21 AM6/8/13
to
On Fri, 07 Jun 2013 16:16:48 -0700, Jeanne Douglas
The only big Medicare reform idea that's been pitched in public is
called 'premium support,' championed by Rep. Paul Ryan (R). Here's how
it would work, and here's why Democrats deride it as a 'voucher.'
It's a free-market approach to reform. Enrollees who reach Medicare
age in 2024, or later, would receive a government "premium-support
payment" that they could use to buy health coverage. Insurers would
compete for their business, with benefit packages that would have to
be equivalent to today's Medicare, or better.
The annual growth of the government aid – Democrats deride it as a
voucher – would be capped using a process of competitive bidding by
insurers.
"The benchmark … would be either the second-least-expensive private
plan" or traditional Medicare, whichever costs less, according to
Congressman Ryan's budget blueprint. And the support level, per
person, couldn't rise faster in a year than the rate of gross domestic
product growth plus 0.5 percent.
Seniors could buy higher-cost insurance if they wanted, covering the
difference on their own. Or they could buy a lower-cost plan, and
pocket the resulting savings.
The "GDP plus 0.5 percent" formula would be a slower growth rate than
Medicare has seen in the past, but some health-care experts say it's
not unthinkable to use that target and still ensure strong health
benefits.
And others note this, too: Ryan pitched his plan as an "invitation" to
bargain, not as a take-it-or-leave-it offer.
The idea "is fairly flexible," and has been embraced by leaders of
both parties in the past, says Alain Enthoven of Stanford University,
long a leading proponent of the concept. (He pushed such a reform as a
consultant to the Carter administration.)
One alternative to Ryan's formula, for instance, would be for premium
support to rise based on average health costs in the economy.
But others are skeptical that it does much to restrain costs. In
markets in which insurers feel compelled to offer services from the
same couple of hospital groups, for example, insurance prices might
still remain high.
Mr. Enthoven agrees this is a risk, but still predicts that premium
support would serve as a vital lever to push health companies toward
lower-cost, and more-effective, delivery of care.
What's the alternative?
A budget plan released by Senate Democrats is largely silent on ways
to make health-care entitlements sustainable for the long run.
But Medicare reform could be done in a variety of ways other than
premium support. Mr. Obama has pronounced himself ready "to do some
tough stuff," but not to "gut Medicare or gut Social Security or gut
Medicaid."
A recent New York Times report said the president has talked with
congressional Republicans about specific potential cost-savers,
including the idea of combining the coverage of hospital costs
(Medicare "Part A") and physician costs ("Part B") so enrollees have a
single deductible. A hike in out-of-pocket costs would save money for
the government, while also paying for a new benefit – a cap on the
total out-of-pocket costs that a beneficiary might face.
A range of other reforms is possible, with some Democrats pushing to
allow Medicare to bargain with pharmaceutical companies for lower drug
prices. Whatever ideas are pursued, the rift over tax revenue remains
a stumbling block.
Many health-care experts agree with Democrats that entitlement reform
should ultimately involve increased tax revenues as well as cost
control.
http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/DC-Decoder/2013/0402/Medicare-Could-Rep.-Paul-Ryan-s-reform-plan-work
called 'premium support,' championed by Rep. Paul Ryan (R). Here's how
it would work, and here's why Democrats deride it as a 'voucher.'
It's a free-market approach to reform. Enrollees who reach Medicare
age in 2024, or later, would receive a government "premium-support
payment" that they could use to buy health coverage. Insurers would
compete for their business, with benefit packages that would have to
be equivalent to today's Medicare, or better.
The annual growth of the government aid – Democrats deride it as a
voucher – would be capped using a process of competitive bidding by
insurers.
"The benchmark … would be either the second-least-expensive private
plan" or traditional Medicare, whichever costs less, according to
Congressman Ryan's budget blueprint. And the support level, per
person, couldn't rise faster in a year than the rate of gross domestic
product growth plus 0.5 percent.
Seniors could buy higher-cost insurance if they wanted, covering the
difference on their own. Or they could buy a lower-cost plan, and
pocket the resulting savings.
The "GDP plus 0.5 percent" formula would be a slower growth rate than
Medicare has seen in the past, but some health-care experts say it's
not unthinkable to use that target and still ensure strong health
benefits.
And others note this, too: Ryan pitched his plan as an "invitation" to
bargain, not as a take-it-or-leave-it offer.
The idea "is fairly flexible," and has been embraced by leaders of
both parties in the past, says Alain Enthoven of Stanford University,
long a leading proponent of the concept. (He pushed such a reform as a
consultant to the Carter administration.)
One alternative to Ryan's formula, for instance, would be for premium
support to rise based on average health costs in the economy.
But others are skeptical that it does much to restrain costs. In
markets in which insurers feel compelled to offer services from the
same couple of hospital groups, for example, insurance prices might
still remain high.
Mr. Enthoven agrees this is a risk, but still predicts that premium
support would serve as a vital lever to push health companies toward
lower-cost, and more-effective, delivery of care.
What's the alternative?
A budget plan released by Senate Democrats is largely silent on ways
to make health-care entitlements sustainable for the long run.
But Medicare reform could be done in a variety of ways other than
premium support. Mr. Obama has pronounced himself ready "to do some
tough stuff," but not to "gut Medicare or gut Social Security or gut
Medicaid."
A recent New York Times report said the president has talked with
congressional Republicans about specific potential cost-savers,
including the idea of combining the coverage of hospital costs
(Medicare "Part A") and physician costs ("Part B") so enrollees have a
single deductible. A hike in out-of-pocket costs would save money for
the government, while also paying for a new benefit – a cap on the
total out-of-pocket costs that a beneficiary might face.
A range of other reforms is possible, with some Democrats pushing to
allow Medicare to bargain with pharmaceutical companies for lower drug
prices. Whatever ideas are pursued, the rift over tax revenue remains
a stumbling block.
Many health-care experts agree with Democrats that entitlement reform
should ultimately involve increased tax revenues as well as cost
control.
http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/DC-Decoder/2013/0402/Medicare-Could-Rep.-Paul-Ryan-s-reform-plan-work
PATRICK
Jun 8, 2013, 7:09:26 AM6/8/13
to
I merely dismissed her words, as I dismiss most of what your VP says.
Plus, death panels and death squads are really different things.
The panel merely helps the family decide the easiest way to kill off
the dying family member. The squad actually performs the service.
PATRICK
Jun 8, 2013, 7:10:20 AM6/8/13
to
On Sat, 8 Jun 2013 08:09:24 +0000 (UTC), gaz...@shell.xmission.com
(Kenny McCormack) wrote:
>In article <hlwdjsd2-2E6B0D...@news.giganews.com>,
>Jeanne Douglas <hlwd...@NOSPAMgmail.com> wrote:
>...
>>You're actually pretending that you never heard Palin bitching about
>>death panels? That you didn't see her get the "Lie of the Year" from
>>Politifact?
>>
>>And you think ANYbody is going to believe you?
>
>There's a new tactic being used by the TPWs [*] on these newsgroups - which
>is to insist on URL-confirmation for simple, obvious facts.
Oh?
(Kenny McCormack) wrote:
>In article <hlwdjsd2-2E6B0D...@news.giganews.com>,
>Jeanne Douglas <hlwd...@NOSPAMgmail.com> wrote:
>...
>>You're actually pretending that you never heard Palin bitching about
>>death panels? That you didn't see her get the "Lie of the Year" from
>>Politifact?
>>
>>And you think ANYbody is going to believe you?
>
>There's a new tactic being used by the TPWs [*] on these newsgroups - which
>is to insist on URL-confirmation for simple, obvious facts.
Do you mean like: "Prove the existence of God?"
duke
Jun 8, 2013, 7:19:28 AM6/8/13
to
years. Basically about the mid 80's is when the "doctor insurance office" was
opened. Before then, you filed yourself and hoped for the best.
With the government controlling the compensation rate, you pay first and then
see how much of that the government will reimburse YOU.
> It is a symptom of the failing health care system that Obamacare
>is trying to address, instead of just letting it continue to crumble, as
>the GOPpers want to do.
Their state funded system can't support them without long waits for service
because few doctors will agree to state determined fees, et al.
Get ready. You wanted it. You're going to get it.
I pray our Congress has the good sense to rip up obamacare and start a new
approach.
duke
Jun 8, 2013, 7:20:08 AM6/8/13
to
On Fri, 07 Jun 2013 16:19:40 -0700, Jeanne Douglas <hlwd...@NOSPAMgmail.com>
wrote:
The labor unions are now crying "give us a break".
wrote:
duke
Jun 8, 2013, 7:22:16 AM6/8/13
to
On Fri, 07 Jun 2013 18:54:30 -0700, Jeanne Douglas <hlwd...@NOSPAMgmail.com>
wrote:
Now you're claiming to be a mind reader? Buckwheatcare will turn out to be the
worst of the worst.
The only ones that don't understand that now are too ignorant to put it all
together.
wrote:
worst of the worst.
The only ones that don't understand that now are too ignorant to put it all
together.
duke
Jun 8, 2013, 7:22:56 AM6/8/13
to
On Sat, 8 Jun 2013 08:10:26 +0000 (UTC), gaz...@shell.xmission.com (Kenny
McCormack) wrote:
>In article <hlwdjsd2-28154F...@news.giganews.com>,
>Jeanne Douglas <hlwd...@NOSPAMgmail.com> wrote:
>...
>>> Yes I did. Their costs are going up too. Buckwheat's credibility is sinking
>>> fast. Even the NYTimes is turning against him. Enough pressure and it may
>>> be
>>> repealed.
>>
>> That's NEVER going to happen.
>Agreed. I think we can apply the universal rule that "Duke" is wrong about
>everything.
Haahaahaa. Except when I nail it like this discussion on buckwheatcare.
McCormack) wrote:
>In article <hlwdjsd2-28154F...@news.giganews.com>,
>Jeanne Douglas <hlwd...@NOSPAMgmail.com> wrote:
>...
>>> Yes I did. Their costs are going up too. Buckwheat's credibility is sinking
>>> fast. Even the NYTimes is turning against him. Enough pressure and it may
>>> be
>>> repealed.
>>
>> That's NEVER going to happen.
>Agreed. I think we can apply the universal rule that "Duke" is wrong about
>everything.
duke
Jun 8, 2013, 7:31:21 AM6/8/13
to
>In article <hlwdjsd2-28154F...@news.giganews.com>,
>Jeanne Douglas <hlwd...@NOSPAMgmail.com> wrote:
>...
>>> Yes I did. Their costs are going up too. Buckwheat's credibility is sinking
>>> fast. Even the NYTimes is turning against him. Enough pressure and it may
>>> be
>>> repealed.
>>
>> That's NEVER going to happen.
>
>Agreed. I think we can apply the universal rule that "Duke" is wrong about
>everything.
Hey, km, how many youth are going to become doctors when they know they'll just
>Jeanne Douglas <hlwd...@NOSPAMgmail.com> wrote:
>...
>>> Yes I did. Their costs are going up too. Buckwheat's credibility is sinking
>>> fast. Even the NYTimes is turning against him. Enough pressure and it may
>>> be
>>> repealed.
>>
>> That's NEVER going to happen.
>
>Agreed. I think we can apply the universal rule that "Duke" is wrong about
>everything.
be paid like the local janitor - pay rate controlled by big government.
Current doctors are already shutting down their existing practices because of
the screw job from buckwheatcare. Believe me, I know. I have doctors in my
family.
Gone will be appointments. If junior get sick and you have to skip work to take
him to the doctor, good for you. Now, under buckwheatcare, you sit and wait
your turn. No see doctor today, come back tomorrow. And you think work place
will pay you for absence, forget it.
Meds?? You may have to eat all of that. Multiple visits to the doctor. Oops,
too many. Wait for next year to start again.
It's coooooooooming, bro. Get used to the idea now.
duke
Jun 8, 2013, 7:34:40 AM6/8/13
to
>In article <hlwdjsd2-28154F...@news.giganews.com>,
>Jeanne Douglas <hlwd...@NOSPAMgmail.com> wrote:
>...
>>> Yes I did. Their costs are going up too. Buckwheat's credibility is sinking
>>> fast. Even the NYTimes is turning against him. Enough pressure and it may
>>> be
>>> repealed.
>>
>> That's NEVER going to happen.
>
>Agreed. I think we can apply the universal rule that "Duke" is wrong about
>everything.
Oh, and the word coming out is that your company will have to offer you
>Jeanne Douglas <hlwd...@NOSPAMgmail.com> wrote:
>...
>>> Yes I did. Their costs are going up too. Buckwheat's credibility is sinking
>>> fast. Even the NYTimes is turning against him. Enough pressure and it may
>>> be
>>> repealed.
>>
>> That's NEVER going to happen.
>
>Agreed. I think we can apply the universal rule that "Duke" is wrong about
>everything.
insurance, but it's gong to be barebones coverage. Including no med's. You
want more, get out your wallet big time.
Just like buckwheat said - you want to keep your own doctor - you can.
Heeheehee.
Free Lunch
Jun 8, 2013, 9:58:49 AM6/8/13
to
On Sat, 08 Jun 2013 06:22:16 -0500, duke <duckg...@cox.net> wrote in
alt.atheism:
>On Fri, 07 Jun 2013 18:54:30 -0700, Jeanne Douglas <hlwd...@NOSPAMgmail.com>
>wrote:
>
>>In article <8vq4r8h7qmm55ijdd...@4ax.com>,
>> Free Lunch <lu...@nofreelunch.us> wrote:
>>
>>> On Fri, 07 Jun 2013 16:19:40 -0700, Jeanne Douglas
>>> <hlwd...@NOSPAMgmail.com> wrote in alt.atheism:
...
it to fail elsewhere?
>The only ones that don't understand that now are too ignorant to put it all
>together.
I understand that you are a hate-filled racist who opposes everything
the President does merely because he isn't pasty-white.
alt.atheism:
>On Fri, 07 Jun 2013 18:54:30 -0700, Jeanne Douglas <hlwd...@NOSPAMgmail.com>
>wrote:
>
>>In article <8vq4r8h7qmm55ijdd...@4ax.com>,
>> Free Lunch <lu...@nofreelunch.us> wrote:
>>
>>> On Fri, 07 Jun 2013 16:19:40 -0700, Jeanne Douglas
>>> <hlwd...@NOSPAMgmail.com> wrote in alt.atheism:
>>> > That's NEVER going to happen.
>>>
>>> Single payer might do it.
>>
>>True.
>>
>>But, of course, that's not what poor poor dukie meant.
>
>Now you're claiming to be a mind reader? Buckwheatcare will turn out to be the
>worst of the worst.
Romneycare seems to be working fine in Massachussetts. Why do you expect
>>>
>>> Single payer might do it.
>>
>>True.
>>
>>But, of course, that's not what poor poor dukie meant.
>
>Now you're claiming to be a mind reader? Buckwheatcare will turn out to be the
>worst of the worst.
it to fail elsewhere?
>The only ones that don't understand that now are too ignorant to put it all
>together.
the President does merely because he isn't pasty-white.
Johnny Football
Jun 8, 2013, 1:17:41 PM6/8/13
to
On Sat, 08 Jun 2013 08:58:49 -0500, Free Lunch <lu...@nofreelunch.us>
over that their boss is Black.
wrote:
>On Sat, 08 Jun 2013 06:22:16 -0500, duke <duckg...@cox.net> wrote in
>alt.atheism:
>
>>On Fri, 07 Jun 2013 18:54:30 -0700, Jeanne Douglas <hlwd...@NOSPAMgmail.com>
>>wrote:
>>
>>>In article <8vq4r8h7qmm55ijdd...@4ax.com>,
>>> Free Lunch <lu...@nofreelunch.us> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Fri, 07 Jun 2013 16:19:40 -0700, Jeanne Douglas
>>>> <hlwd...@NOSPAMgmail.com> wrote in alt.atheism:
>...
>>>> > That's NEVER going to happen.
>>>>
>>>> Single payer might do it.
>>>
>>>True.
>>>
>>>But, of course, that's not what poor poor dukie meant.
>>
>>Now you're claiming to be a mind reader? Buckwheatcare will turn out to be the
>>worst of the worst.
>
>Romneycare seems to be working fine in Massachussetts. Why do you expect
>it to fail elsewhere?
>
>>The only ones that don't understand that now are too ignorant to put it all
>>together.
>
>I understand that you are a hate-filled racist who opposes everything
>the President does merely because he isn't pasty-white.
Yea, some of these white-ass peckerwoods have never been able to get
>On Sat, 08 Jun 2013 06:22:16 -0500, duke <duckg...@cox.net> wrote in
>alt.atheism:
>
>>On Fri, 07 Jun 2013 18:54:30 -0700, Jeanne Douglas <hlwd...@NOSPAMgmail.com>
>>wrote:
>>
>>>In article <8vq4r8h7qmm55ijdd...@4ax.com>,
>>> Free Lunch <lu...@nofreelunch.us> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Fri, 07 Jun 2013 16:19:40 -0700, Jeanne Douglas
>>>> <hlwd...@NOSPAMgmail.com> wrote in alt.atheism:
>...
>>>> > That's NEVER going to happen.
>>>>
>>>> Single payer might do it.
>>>
>>>True.
>>>
>>>But, of course, that's not what poor poor dukie meant.
>>
>>Now you're claiming to be a mind reader? Buckwheatcare will turn out to be the
>>worst of the worst.
>
>Romneycare seems to be working fine in Massachussetts. Why do you expect
>it to fail elsewhere?
>
>>The only ones that don't understand that now are too ignorant to put it all
>>together.
>
>I understand that you are a hate-filled racist who opposes everything
>the President does merely because he isn't pasty-white.
over that their boss is Black.
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Jeanne Douglas
Jun 8, 2013, 3:24:32 PM6/8/13
to
Jeanne Douglas
Jun 8, 2013, 3:26:02 PM6/8/13
to
In article <n746r89f4ibhj7228...@4ax.com>,
No.
We mean idiocy like proving that Sarah Palin talks about "death panels".
We mean idiocy like proving that Sarah Palin talks about "death panels".
Jeanne Douglas
Jun 8, 2013, 3:27:59 PM6/8/13
to
In article <ro36r81nd3r4gacvd...@4ax.com>,
The only thing insurance companies will compete for as far as seniors
are concerned is to see who can run away the fastest.
Why on earth would ANY private insurer wish to ensure anybody over the
age of 65?
are concerned is to see who can run away the fastest.
Why on earth would ANY private insurer wish to ensure anybody over the
age of 65?
Free Lunch
Jun 8, 2013, 3:59:51 PM6/8/13
to
On Sat, 08 Jun 2013 12:27:59 -0700, Jeanne Douglas
<hlwd...@NOSPAMgmail.com> wrote in alt.atheism:
With Medicare Plus they are essentially guaranteed profits.
<hlwd...@NOSPAMgmail.com> wrote in alt.atheism:
Jeanne Douglas
Jun 8, 2013, 4:27:38 PM6/8/13
to
In article <6937r8tb9uc4j7vsf...@4ax.com>,
But if Medicare is turned into a voucher program, there's won't be
Medicare Plus. The insurance companies will have to pay ALL the medical
expenses, not just the ones not covered by Medicare.
Medicare Plus. The insurance companies will have to pay ALL the medical
expenses, not just the ones not covered by Medicare.
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Jeanne Douglas
Jun 8, 2013, 4:55:38 PM6/8/13
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In article <s957r81n472cctah8...@4ax.com>,
So you want to go back to the days of the elderly choosing between food
and medicine? Or rent and medical care?
There's a reason Medicare was (and is) so desperately needed. No
insurance company wants to cover a bunch of old people full of
pre-existing conditions (one of which, of course, is merely being old).
Attila <<proc...@here.now> wrote:
> On Fri, 07 Jun 2013 16:16:48 -0700, Jeanne Douglas
> <hlwd...@NOSPAMgmail.com> in alt.abortion with message-id
> On Fri, 07 Jun 2013 16:16:48 -0700, Jeanne Douglas
> <hlwdjsd2-D78483...@news.giganews.com> wrote:
>
> >Ryan's plan is to turn Medicare into a voucher system. That IS
> >destroying Medicare as we know it.
>
> As it should be.
>
> >Ryan's plan is to turn Medicare into a voucher system. That IS
> >destroying Medicare as we know it.
>
So you want to go back to the days of the elderly choosing between food
and medicine? Or rent and medical care?
There's a reason Medicare was (and is) so desperately needed. No
insurance company wants to cover a bunch of old people full of
pre-existing conditions (one of which, of course, is merely being old).
Jim Burns
Jun 8, 2013, 6:46:31 PM6/8/13
to
On 6/8/2013 4:09 AM, Kenny McCormack wrote:
> In article <hlwdjsd2-2E6B0D...@news.giganews.com>,
> Jeanne Douglas <hlwd...@NOSPAMgmail.com> wrote:
>> You're actually pretending that you never heard Palin bitching about
>> death panels? That you didn't see her get the "Lie of the Year" from
>> Politifact?
>>
>> And you think ANYbody is going to believe you?
>
> There's a new tactic being used by the TPWs [Tea Party Whackoffs]
> In article <hlwdjsd2-2E6B0D...@news.giganews.com>,
> Jeanne Douglas <hlwd...@NOSPAMgmail.com> wrote:
>> You're actually pretending that you never heard Palin bitching about
>> death panels? That you didn't see her get the "Lie of the Year" from
>> Politifact?
>>
>> And you think ANYbody is going to believe you?
>
> on these newsgroups - which is to insist on URL-confirmation for
> simple, obvious facts. The tactic is to avoid actually asserting
> that the thing in question is false (since it obviously isn't -
> and to assert that would be to look silly), but rather to imply that
> unless it can be URL-confirmed, then the truth of it is somehow
> still "up for grabs".
>
> For examnple, they may demand that you produce a URL-confirm
> that 2+2=4.
>
> Something which is, in fact, pretty hard to do. I challenge you to
> find a standard, accepted, commonly available web site that states,
> unequivacally, that 2+2=4.
https://www.google.com/search?q=2+%2B+2+%3D
2 + 2 =
I couldn't resist.
Nonetheless, I agree with your point in general about this
tactic being used.
I wonder, though, how long this tactic will survive.
If I pretended to be too stupid to remember to breathe
-- so that I don't have to admit to understanding a point
that everyone else understands anyway -- would this really be
an effective strategy to convince anyone not already on my side
that I am right about whatever-it-is?
A better reason to think that use of the "prove that 2+2=4" tactic
will fade in time is that -- in time -- the Interwebs will
continue to mature and it will -- in time -- become too easy
to satisfy demands like that. Or so it seems to me.
Clay Shirky thinks we have recently invented a new way of
arguing and he compares it to the invention of scientific
journals in the 1600s. I think a critical part of this new way
of arguing is that you are expected to link directly to
the documents that support you.
As "show your work" becomes the standard way of doing things,
I expect that even trivial things will be proven by someone or
other at some point and then be available forever after
for linking. And I expect the common use of tools such as Shirky
talks about to make finding these trivial proofs second nature
to us. "Did Palin make claims about death panels? Yes, look here."
Done.
What then? Well, trolls can always just say insanely insulting
things. That will probably never go out of style.
http://www.ted.com/talks/clay_shirky_how_the_internet_will_one_day_transform_government.html
Clay Shirky: How the Internet will (one day) transform government
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Free Lunch
Jun 8, 2013, 7:41:01 PM6/8/13
to
On Sat, 08 Jun 2013 16:34:18 -0400, Attila <<proc...@here.now> wrote
in alt.atheism:
>On Fri, 07 Jun 2013 16:16:48 -0700, Jeanne Douglas
><hlwd...@NOSPAMgmail.com> in alt.abortion with message-id
><hlwdjsd2-D78483...@news.giganews.com> wrote:
>
>>Ryan's plan is to turn Medicare into a voucher system. That IS
>>destroying Medicare as we know it.
>
>As it should be.
Medicare is the best insurance program in this country. It certainly
could be better, but turning it over to the folks who gave us the most
expensive (but barely mediocre) health care program in the world will
not fix any of Medicare's problems.
Every other developed nation in the world has a better program. We are
fools for keeping the system we have.
in alt.atheism:
>On Fri, 07 Jun 2013 16:16:48 -0700, Jeanne Douglas
><hlwd...@NOSPAMgmail.com> in alt.abortion with message-id
><hlwdjsd2-D78483...@news.giganews.com> wrote:
>
>>Ryan's plan is to turn Medicare into a voucher system. That IS
>>destroying Medicare as we know it.
>
>As it should be.
could be better, but turning it over to the folks who gave us the most
expensive (but barely mediocre) health care program in the world will
not fix any of Medicare's problems.
Every other developed nation in the world has a better program. We are
fools for keeping the system we have.
Free Lunch
Jun 8, 2013, 7:42:59 PM6/8/13
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On Sat, 08 Jun 2013 19:09:05 -0400, Attila <<proc...@here.now> wrote
in alt.atheism:
>On Sat, 08 Jun 2013 13:55:38 -0700, Jeanne Douglas
What private insurance? The insurers loved Medicare because even the
people who were rich enough to afford their premiums at the time were
still losers for them. It's pretty much like Long Term Care for insurers
today.
>>There's a reason Medicare was (and is) so desperately needed. No
>>insurance company wants to cover a bunch of old people full of
>>pre-existing conditions (one of which, of course, is merely being old).
>
>But the cost is prohibitive.
That's because our health care system is absurdly expensive. Other
countries manage to provide better health care for half the cost.
in alt.atheism:
>On Sat, 08 Jun 2013 13:55:38 -0700, Jeanne Douglas
><hlwd...@NOSPAMgmail.com> in alt.abortion with message-id
><hlwdjsd2-F6F9B6...@news.giganews.com> wrote:
>
>>In article <s957r81n472cctah8...@4ax.com>,
>> Attila <<proc...@here.now> wrote:
>>
>>> On Fri, 07 Jun 2013 16:16:48 -0700, Jeanne Douglas
>>> <hlwd...@NOSPAMgmail.com> in alt.abortion with message-id
>>> <hlwdjsd2-D78483...@news.giganews.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> >Ryan's plan is to turn Medicare into a voucher system. That IS
>>> >destroying Medicare as we know it.
>>>
>>> As it should be.
>>
>>So you want to go back to the days of the elderly choosing between food
>>and medicine? Or rent and medical care?
>
>Or private insurance.
>
>>In article <s957r81n472cctah8...@4ax.com>,
>> Attila <<proc...@here.now> wrote:
>>
>>> On Fri, 07 Jun 2013 16:16:48 -0700, Jeanne Douglas
>>> <hlwd...@NOSPAMgmail.com> in alt.abortion with message-id
>>> <hlwdjsd2-D78483...@news.giganews.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> >Ryan's plan is to turn Medicare into a voucher system. That IS
>>> >destroying Medicare as we know it.
>>>
>>> As it should be.
>>
>>So you want to go back to the days of the elderly choosing between food
>>and medicine? Or rent and medical care?
>
What private insurance? The insurers loved Medicare because even the
people who were rich enough to afford their premiums at the time were
still losers for them. It's pretty much like Long Term Care for insurers
today.
>>There's a reason Medicare was (and is) so desperately needed. No
>>insurance company wants to cover a bunch of old people full of
>>pre-existing conditions (one of which, of course, is merely being old).
>
That's because our health care system is absurdly expensive. Other
countries manage to provide better health care for half the cost.
Free Lunch
Jun 8, 2013, 7:44:55 PM6/8/13
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On Sat, 08 Jun 2013 16:37:18 -0400, Attila <<proc...@here.now> wrote
in alt.atheism:
>On Sat, 08 Jun 2013 07:10:20 -0400, PATRICK <pbark...@woh.rr.com> in
>alt.abortion with message-id
>That is not a simple obvious fact. Not even close.
For unthinking theists who have no idea why no one listens when they
make indefensible claims, it is obvious, even if, in the real world, it
is neither obvious nor a fact.
Patrick is just hoping that some fool will believe his claim to have
evidence after he and duke make the claim 10,000 more times.
in alt.atheism:
>On Sat, 08 Jun 2013 07:10:20 -0400, PATRICK <pbark...@woh.rr.com> in
>alt.abortion with message-id
For unthinking theists who have no idea why no one listens when they
make indefensible claims, it is obvious, even if, in the real world, it
is neither obvious nor a fact.
Patrick is just hoping that some fool will believe his claim to have
evidence after he and duke make the claim 10,000 more times.
Jeanne Douglas
Jun 8, 2013, 7:49:10 PM6/8/13
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In article <1be7r8p5k73tc78af...@4ax.com>,
Attila <<proc...@here.now> wrote:
> On Sat, 08 Jun 2013 13:55:38 -0700, Jeanne Douglas
Attila <<proc...@here.now> wrote:
> On Sat, 08 Jun 2013 13:55:38 -0700, Jeanne Douglas
> <hlwd...@NOSPAMgmail.com> in alt.abortion with message-id
> <hlwdjsd2-F6F9B6...@news.giganews.com> wrote:
>
> >In article <s957r81n472cctah8...@4ax.com>,
> > Attila <<proc...@here.now> wrote:
> >
> >> On Fri, 07 Jun 2013 16:16:48 -0700, Jeanne Douglas
> >> <hlwd...@NOSPAMgmail.com> in alt.abortion with message-id
> >> <hlwdjsd2-D78483...@news.giganews.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> >Ryan's plan is to turn Medicare into a voucher system. That IS
> >> >destroying Medicare as we know it.
> >>
> >> As it should be.
> >
> >So you want to go back to the days of the elderly choosing between food
> >and medicine? Or rent and medical care?
>
> Or private insurance.
>
> >In article <s957r81n472cctah8...@4ax.com>,
> > Attila <<proc...@here.now> wrote:
> >
> >> On Fri, 07 Jun 2013 16:16:48 -0700, Jeanne Douglas
> >> <hlwd...@NOSPAMgmail.com> in alt.abortion with message-id
> >> <hlwdjsd2-D78483...@news.giganews.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> >Ryan's plan is to turn Medicare into a voucher system. That IS
> >> >destroying Medicare as we know it.
> >>
> >> As it should be.
> >
> >So you want to go back to the days of the elderly choosing between food
> >and medicine? Or rent and medical care?
>
>
> >
> >There's a reason Medicare was (and is) so desperately needed. No
> >insurance company wants to cover a bunch of old people full of
> >pre-existing conditions (one of which, of course, is merely being old).
>
> >
> >There's a reason Medicare was (and is) so desperately needed. No
> >insurance company wants to cover a bunch of old people full of
> >pre-existing conditions (one of which, of course, is merely being old).
>
> But the cost is prohibitive.
Exactly why we need Medicare.
PATRICK
Jun 8, 2013, 8:05:37 PM6/8/13
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On Sat, 08 Jun 2013 12:27:59 -0700, Jeanne Douglas
My mother in law paid $ 9000 a year for insurance.
PATRICK
Jun 8, 2013, 8:07:07 PM6/8/13
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On Sat, 08 Jun 2013 13:55:38 -0700, Jeanne Douglas
<hlwd...@NOSPAMgmail.com> wrote:
>In article <s957r81n472cctah8...@4ax.com>,
> Attila <<proc...@here.now> wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 07 Jun 2013 16:16:48 -0700, Jeanne Douglas
>> <hlwd...@NOSPAMgmail.com> in alt.abortion with message-id
>> <hlwdjsd2-D78483...@news.giganews.com> wrote:
>>
>> >Ryan's plan is to turn Medicare into a voucher system. That IS
>> >destroying Medicare as we know it.
>>
>> As it should be.
>
>So you want to go back to the days of the elderly choosing between food
>and medicine? Or rent and medical care?
They are making those decisions today.
<hlwd...@NOSPAMgmail.com> wrote:
>In article <s957r81n472cctah8...@4ax.com>,
> Attila <<proc...@here.now> wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 07 Jun 2013 16:16:48 -0700, Jeanne Douglas
>> <hlwd...@NOSPAMgmail.com> in alt.abortion with message-id
>> <hlwdjsd2-D78483...@news.giganews.com> wrote:
>>
>> >Ryan's plan is to turn Medicare into a voucher system. That IS
>> >destroying Medicare as we know it.
>>
>> As it should be.
>
>So you want to go back to the days of the elderly choosing between food
>and medicine? Or rent and medical care?
Free Lunch
Jun 8, 2013, 8:41:18 PM6/8/13
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On Sat, 08 Jun 2013 20:07:07 -0400, PATRICK <pbark...@woh.rr.com>
wrote in alt.atheism:
>On Sat, 08 Jun 2013 13:55:38 -0700, Jeanne Douglas
><hlwd...@NOSPAMgmail.com> wrote:
>
>>In article <s957r81n472cctah8...@4ax.com>,
>> Attila <<proc...@here.now> wrote:
>>
>>> On Fri, 07 Jun 2013 16:16:48 -0700, Jeanne Douglas
>>> <hlwd...@NOSPAMgmail.com> in alt.abortion with message-id
>>> <hlwdjsd2-D78483...@news.giganews.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> >Ryan's plan is to turn Medicare into a voucher system. That IS
>>> >destroying Medicare as we know it.
>>>
>>> As it should be.
>>
>>So you want to go back to the days of the elderly choosing between food
>>and medicine? Or rent and medical care?
>
>
>They are making those decisions today.
>
So Medicare needs to be improved.
wrote in alt.atheism:
>On Sat, 08 Jun 2013 13:55:38 -0700, Jeanne Douglas
><hlwd...@NOSPAMgmail.com> wrote:
>
>>In article <s957r81n472cctah8...@4ax.com>,
>> Attila <<proc...@here.now> wrote:
>>
>>> On Fri, 07 Jun 2013 16:16:48 -0700, Jeanne Douglas
>>> <hlwd...@NOSPAMgmail.com> in alt.abortion with message-id
>>> <hlwdjsd2-D78483...@news.giganews.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> >Ryan's plan is to turn Medicare into a voucher system. That IS
>>> >destroying Medicare as we know it.
>>>
>>> As it should be.
>>
>>So you want to go back to the days of the elderly choosing between food
>>and medicine? Or rent and medical care?
>
>
>They are making those decisions today.
>
Jeanne Douglas
Jun 8, 2013, 8:44:07 PM6/8/13
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Jeanne Douglas
Jun 8, 2013, 11:29:08 PM6/8/13
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In article <s6s7r8dd8ae9c0kpj...@4ax.com>,
Attila <<proc...@here.now> wrote:
> On Sat, 08 Jun 2013 16:49:10 -0700, Jeanne Douglas
> Do you really think it's free?
Where did I say anything like that?
Attila <<proc...@here.now> wrote:
> On Sat, 08 Jun 2013 16:49:10 -0700, Jeanne Douglas
> <hlwd...@NOSPAMgmail.com> in alt.abortion with message-id
Where did I say anything like that?
Silen...@hotmail.com
Jun 9, 2013, 2:03:47 AM6/9/13
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On Sat, 8 Jun 2013 08:09:24 +0000 (UTC), gaz...@shell.xmission.com
(Kenny McCormack) wrote:
>In article <hlwdjsd2-2E6B0D...@news.giganews.com>,
>Jeanne Douglas <hlwd...@NOSPAMgmail.com> wrote:
>...
>>You're actually pretending that you never heard Palin bitching about
>>death panels? That you didn't see her get the "Lie of the Year" from
>>Politifact?
>>
>>And you think ANYbody is going to believe you?
>
>There's a new tactic being used by the TPWs [*] on these newsgroups - which
(Kenny McCormack) wrote:
>In article <hlwdjsd2-2E6B0D...@news.giganews.com>,
>Jeanne Douglas <hlwd...@NOSPAMgmail.com> wrote:
>...
>>You're actually pretending that you never heard Palin bitching about
>>death panels? That you didn't see her get the "Lie of the Year" from
>>Politifact?
>>
>>And you think ANYbody is going to believe you?
>
>There's a new tactic being used by the TPWs [*] on these newsgroups - which
>is to insist on URL-confirmation for simple, obvious facts. The tactic is
>to avoid actually asserting that the thing in question is false (since it
>obviously isn't - and to assert that would be to look silly), but rather to
>imply that unless it can be URL-confirmed, then the truth of it is somehow
>still "up for grabs".
Yep.
>to avoid actually asserting that the thing in question is false (since it
>obviously isn't - and to assert that would be to look silly), but rather to
>imply that unless it can be URL-confirmed, then the truth of it is somehow
>still "up for grabs".
A good example we all recently saw was when Heishman brought up
Washington crossing the Delaware.
He was doing his usual shtick of trying to create a false equivalence
(his believing in biblical miracles is no more irrational than most of
us accepting Washington did his thing), and most members of the group
properly responded by pointing out the fact that there is far more
evidence for Washington's exploits than for anything in the Bible.
Suddenly, the rightards start demanding that we prove we've evidence
for the crossing, as if there is some legitimate doubt that such
evidence actually exists.
While Heishman made it clear that he also accepts that Washington did
what history says he did, he still couldn't resist the temptation of
trying to shift the burden of proof for the thread off himself and
onto his opponents.
Insisting that we waste our time looking up what we all, including
Heishman, already know to be true, instead of him having to do the
work of finding solid evidence for his biblical beliefs - evidence
that we all, including Heishman, know doesn't exist, is his means of
trying to secure a victory in an otherwise un-winnable argument for
him.
When his opponent refuses to waste time looking for cites, he can
claim to himself that he won the argument and avoid the work of truly
examining his ideas and beliefs.
It's not an especially new tactic, though. All three of the most
vociferous rightards on this group, Heishman, Patrick and Dook, have
been using it for as long as I've been reading their posts.
That's one of the reasons I created my "no cite" list, and why their
names, which are really the only names, are on it.
You're right in that we've been seeing it more often recently. I
chalk that up to the nature of the threads that happen to be currently
running.
>For examnple, they may demand that you produce a URL-confirm that 2+2=4.
>
>Something which is, in fact, pretty hard to do. I challenge you to find a
>standard, accepted, commonly available web site that states, unequivacally,
>that 2+2=4.
>
>
>P.S. The only URL you will ever need: http://www.xmission.com/~gazelle/Truth
The Echo Chamber
Jun 9, 2013, 2:52:05 AM6/9/13
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On Thursday, June 6, 2013 11:25:10 AM UTC-4, Robert H wrote:
Classic Bobby Heishman projection.
> On Jun 6, 9:49 am, MarkA <nob...@nowhere.invalid> wrote:
>
> > On Thu, 06 Jun 2013 04:53:04 -0700, Robert H wrote:
>
> > > And the worst,
>
> > > we don't even know about yet.
>
> >
>
> > Classic GOPper thinking! "We don't know what's going to happen, but you
>
> > can bet it's going to be BAD!"
>
>
>
> Classic Liberal thinking, lie, deny, evade at all cost.
>
> > On Thu, 06 Jun 2013 04:53:04 -0700, Robert H wrote:
>
> > > And the worst,
>
> > > we don't even know about yet.
>
> >
>
> > Classic GOPper thinking! "We don't know what's going to happen, but you
>
> > can bet it's going to be BAD!"
>
>
>
Classic Bobby Heishman projection.
The Echo Chamber
Jun 9, 2013, 2:58:29 AM6/9/13
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On Friday, June 7, 2013 4:46:47 PM UTC-4, Robert H wrote:
> On Jun 7, 10:26 am, MarkA <nob...@nowhere.invalid> wrote:
>
> > On Fri, 07 Jun 2013 07:11:40 -0400, PATRICK wrote:
>
> > > On Thu, 06 Jun 2013 22:46:22 -0400, MarkA <nob...@nowhere.invalid> wrote:
>
> >
>
> > >>On Thu, 06 Jun 2013 13:32:43 -0400, PATRICK wrote:
>
> >
>
> > >>> On Thu, 06 Jun 2013 09:49:59 -0400, MarkA <nob...@nowhere.invalid>
>
> > >>> republicans will throw old folks off Social Security?
>
> >
>
> > >>Yeah, I remember those nasty Dems like McCain and Palin talking about
>
> > >>Obamacare "death squads" that were going to go around the country,
>
> > >>executing the elderly for being too expensive. Is that who you mean?
>
> >
>
> > > Give me a quote from either of them.
>
> > > I am waiting..............
>
> >
>
> > Your wait is over!
>
> >
>
> > From Sarah Palin's Facebook page:
>
> >
>
> > https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=24718773587&sk=notes
>
> >
>
> > Statement on the Current Health Care Debate
>
> > by Sarah Palin (Notes) on Friday, August 7, 2009 at 1:26pm
>
> >
>
> > The America I know and love is not one in which my parents or my baby
>
> > with Down Syndrome will have to stand in front of Obama's "death
>
> > panel" so his bureaucrats can decide, based on a subjective judgment of
>
> > their "level of productivity in society," whether they are worthy of
>
> > health care. Such a system is downright evil.
>
> >
>
> > --
>
> > MarkA
>
> > Keeper of Things Put There Only Just The Night Before
>
> > About eight o'clock
>
>
>
> Now, why don't you try to figure out why she said that and what she
>
> meant.
>
>
>
> She is not alone in her thinking, and more people are realizing that
>
> Obama care is going to sink this economy and do more damage than good.
>
>
That's funny. Recent articles are citing companies as saying that Obamacare won't cost them nearly as much as they originally had thought.
It looks like Bobby's the one engaged in either scare tactics, or perpetuating RRW propaganda. Or, both.
> On Jun 7, 10:26 am, MarkA <nob...@nowhere.invalid> wrote:
>
> > On Fri, 07 Jun 2013 07:11:40 -0400, PATRICK wrote:
>
> > > On Thu, 06 Jun 2013 22:46:22 -0400, MarkA <nob...@nowhere.invalid> wrote:
>
> >
>
> > >>On Thu, 06 Jun 2013 13:32:43 -0400, PATRICK wrote:
>
> >
>
> > >>> On Thu, 06 Jun 2013 09:49:59 -0400, MarkA <nob...@nowhere.invalid>
>
> > >>> wrote:
>
> >
>
> > >>>>On Thu, 06 Jun 2013 04:53:04 -0700, Robert H wrote:
>
> >
>
> > >>>>> And the worst,
>
> > >>>>> we don't even know about yet.
>
> >
>
> > >>>>Classic GOPper thinking! "We don't know what's going to happen, but
>
> > >>>>you can bet it's going to be BAD!"
>
> >
>
> > >>> wrote:
>
> >
>
> > >>>>On Thu, 06 Jun 2013 04:53:04 -0700, Robert H wrote:
>
> >
>
> > >>>>> And the worst,
>
> > >>>>> we don't even know about yet.
>
> >
>
> > >>>>Classic GOPper thinking! "We don't know what's going to happen, but
>
> > >>>>you can bet it's going to be BAD!"
>
> >
>
> > >>>>The GOP excels at selling fear. Fear of big government, fear of
>
> > >>>>immigrants, fear of Muslims, fear of godlessness. The Dems may be a
>
> > >>>>bunch of bumbling buffoons, but at least they are selling an image of
>
> > >>>>hope for a better tomorrow.
>
> >
>
> > >>> OH.... BULL SHIT.
>
> > >>> The democraps are the inventors of scare tactics. Dont' you recall
>
> > >>> Obammy's Mediscare tactics in Florida? Or how they claim the
>
> > >>>>immigrants, fear of Muslims, fear of godlessness. The Dems may be a
>
> > >>>>bunch of bumbling buffoons, but at least they are selling an image of
>
> > >>>>hope for a better tomorrow.
>
> >
>
> > >>> OH.... BULL SHIT.
>
> > >>> The democraps are the inventors of scare tactics. Dont' you recall
>
>
> > >>> republicans will throw old folks off Social Security?
>
> >
>
> > >>Yeah, I remember those nasty Dems like McCain and Palin talking about
>
> > >>Obamacare "death squads" that were going to go around the country,
>
> > >>executing the elderly for being too expensive. Is that who you mean?
>
> >
>
> > > Give me a quote from either of them.
>
> > > I am waiting..............
>
> >
>
> > Your wait is over!
>
> >
>
> > From Sarah Palin's Facebook page:
>
> >
>
> > https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=24718773587&sk=notes
>
> >
>
> > Statement on the Current Health Care Debate
>
> > by Sarah Palin (Notes) on Friday, August 7, 2009 at 1:26pm
>
> >
>
> > The America I know and love is not one in which my parents or my baby
>
> > with Down Syndrome will have to stand in front of Obama's "death
>
> > panel" so his bureaucrats can decide, based on a subjective judgment of
>
> > their "level of productivity in society," whether they are worthy of
>
> > health care. Such a system is downright evil.
>
> >
>
> > --
>
> > MarkA
>
> > Keeper of Things Put There Only Just The Night Before
>
> > About eight o'clock
>
>
>
> Now, why don't you try to figure out why she said that and what she
>
> meant.
>
>
>
> She is not alone in her thinking, and more people are realizing that
>
> Obama care is going to sink this economy and do more damage than good.
>
>
That's funny. Recent articles are citing companies as saying that Obamacare won't cost them nearly as much as they originally had thought.
It looks like Bobby's the one engaged in either scare tactics, or perpetuating RRW propaganda. Or, both.
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W.T.S.
Jun 9, 2013, 6:20:53 AM6/9/13
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In article <4oh7r8pgj4k7jbpcg...@4ax.com>, pbarker001
@woh.rr.com says...
expand, greatly, the coverage for prescriptions!
If there really was a "God", when you got old you'd be without Medicare
and have to sleep on the streets.
which we need to survive.
>
As always, organized religion opposes progress -
>
See what RELIGION does to peoples' minds?
>
Adults no longer believe in the Tooth Fairy - but they still torture and
kill each other over ancient myths and superstitions.
>
"We all remember how many religious wars were fought for a religion of
love
and gentleness; how many bodies were burned
alive with the genuinely kind intention of saving souls from the eternal
fire of hell." --- Karl Popper
>
"When one person suffers from a delusion, it is called insanity. When
many
people suffer from a delusion, it is called Religion."
--- Robert M. Pirsig
>
Either God wants to abolish evil and cannot, or he can but does not want
to.
If he wants to but cannot he is impotent. If he can
but does not want to, he is wicked. If he neither can nor wants to, then
he
is both powerless and wicked.
--- Epicurus, Greek philosopher, circa 300 B.C.
>
"Act of God" disasters like the Japanese earthquake expose the myth.
Either
God can do nothing to stop catastrophes like
this, or he doesn't care to, or he doesn't exist. He is thus either
impotent, evil, or imaginary.
--- CNN Belief Blog, 3-20-11
>
"With or without religion, you would have good people doing good things
and
evil people doing evil things. But for good people
to do evil things, that takes religion."
--- Steven Weinberg, quoted in The New York Times, April 20, 1999
>
"Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as when they do it from
religious conviction." --- Blaise Pascal.
>
"Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as
false,
and by rulers as useful."
--- Seneca the Younger (4? BC - 65 AD)
>
"Religion once ruled the world. It was called the Dark Ages." --- Ruth
Green.
>
"Science flies you to the moon. Religion flies you into buildings." ---
Victor Stenger.
>
"I don't believe in God because I don't believe in Mother Goose." ---
Clarence Darrow
>
"As my ancestors are free from slavery, I am free from the slavery of
religion." --- Butterfly McQueen
>
"Religion was invented when the first con-man met the first fool." -
Mark
Twain
>
"Faith is believing what you know ain't so." --- Mark Twain
>
"The God of the Old Testament is arguably the most unpleasant character
in
all fiction." --- Richard Dawkins
>
"Cult today, religion tomorrow."
>
The Freedom From Religion Foundation: http://ffrf.org/
The Secular Coalition for America: www.secular.org
Secular Student Alliance: www.secularstudents.org
www.infidels.org
www.humaniststudies.org
www.atheistalliance.org
www.americanhumanist.org
http://tinyurl.com/nj32s6f
@woh.rr.com says...
> On Sat, 08 Jun 2013 13:55:38 -0700, Jeanne Douglas
> <hlwd...@NOSPAMgmail.com> wrote:
>
> >In article <s957r81n472cctah8...@4ax.com>,
> > Attila <<proc...@here.now> wrote:
> >
> >> On Fri, 07 Jun 2013 16:16:48 -0700, Jeanne Douglas
> >> <hlwd...@NOSPAMgmail.com> in alt.abortion with message-id
> >> <hlwdjsd2-D78483...@news.giganews.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> >Ryan's plan is to turn Medicare into a voucher system. That IS
> >> >destroying Medicare as we know it.
> >>
> >> As it should be.
> >
> >So you want to go back to the days of the elderly choosing between food
> >and medicine? Or rent and medical care?
>
> They are making those decisions today.
Then we need to take "gap" policies away from private insurance, and
> <hlwd...@NOSPAMgmail.com> wrote:
>
> >In article <s957r81n472cctah8...@4ax.com>,
> > Attila <<proc...@here.now> wrote:
> >
> >> On Fri, 07 Jun 2013 16:16:48 -0700, Jeanne Douglas
> >> <hlwd...@NOSPAMgmail.com> in alt.abortion with message-id
> >> <hlwdjsd2-D78483...@news.giganews.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> >Ryan's plan is to turn Medicare into a voucher system. That IS
> >> >destroying Medicare as we know it.
> >>
> >> As it should be.
> >
> >So you want to go back to the days of the elderly choosing between food
> >and medicine? Or rent and medical care?
>
> They are making those decisions today.
expand, greatly, the coverage for prescriptions!
If there really was a "God", when you got old you'd be without Medicare
and have to sleep on the streets.
>
> >There's a reason Medicare was (and is) so desperately needed. No
> >insurance company wants to cover a bunch of old people full of
> >pre-existing conditions (one of which, of course, is merely being old).
We are indeed Carcinoma Sapiens, destroying, by insane fecundity, that
> >There's a reason Medicare was (and is) so desperately needed. No
> >insurance company wants to cover a bunch of old people full of
> >pre-existing conditions (one of which, of course, is merely being old).
which we need to survive.
>
As always, organized religion opposes progress -
>
See what RELIGION does to peoples' minds?
>
Adults no longer believe in the Tooth Fairy - but they still torture and
kill each other over ancient myths and superstitions.
>
"We all remember how many religious wars were fought for a religion of
love
and gentleness; how many bodies were burned
alive with the genuinely kind intention of saving souls from the eternal
fire of hell." --- Karl Popper
>
"When one person suffers from a delusion, it is called insanity. When
many
people suffer from a delusion, it is called Religion."
--- Robert M. Pirsig
>
Either God wants to abolish evil and cannot, or he can but does not want
to.
If he wants to but cannot he is impotent. If he can
but does not want to, he is wicked. If he neither can nor wants to, then
he
is both powerless and wicked.
--- Epicurus, Greek philosopher, circa 300 B.C.
>
"Act of God" disasters like the Japanese earthquake expose the myth.
Either
God can do nothing to stop catastrophes like
this, or he doesn't care to, or he doesn't exist. He is thus either
impotent, evil, or imaginary.
--- CNN Belief Blog, 3-20-11
>
"With or without religion, you would have good people doing good things
and
evil people doing evil things. But for good people
to do evil things, that takes religion."
--- Steven Weinberg, quoted in The New York Times, April 20, 1999
>
"Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as when they do it from
religious conviction." --- Blaise Pascal.
>
"Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as
false,
and by rulers as useful."
--- Seneca the Younger (4? BC - 65 AD)
>
"Religion once ruled the world. It was called the Dark Ages." --- Ruth
Green.
>
"Science flies you to the moon. Religion flies you into buildings." ---
Victor Stenger.
>
"I don't believe in God because I don't believe in Mother Goose." ---
Clarence Darrow
>
"As my ancestors are free from slavery, I am free from the slavery of
religion." --- Butterfly McQueen
>
"Religion was invented when the first con-man met the first fool." -
Mark
Twain
>
"Faith is believing what you know ain't so." --- Mark Twain
>
"The God of the Old Testament is arguably the most unpleasant character
in
all fiction." --- Richard Dawkins
>
"Cult today, religion tomorrow."
>
The Freedom From Religion Foundation: http://ffrf.org/
The Secular Coalition for America: www.secular.org
Secular Student Alliance: www.secularstudents.org
www.infidels.org
www.humaniststudies.org
www.atheistalliance.org
www.americanhumanist.org
http://tinyurl.com/nj32s6f
Jeanne Douglas
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