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Americans United Threatens the Tax Exemption of the U.S. Catholic Church
By Deacon Keith A. Fournier
10/16/2008
Catholic Online
I am appalled that Barry Lynn and Rob Boston are now blatantly threatening
our Church and her Bishops. As a Deacon, I will not be bullied. As a lawyer,
I am ready to defend against this dangerous threat.
CHESAPEAKE, Va. (Catholic Online) - Rob Boston of "Americans United for the
Separation of Church and State" has decided to engage in verbal bullying
with the leadership of the U.S. Catholic Church. In a posting on the AU web
site entitled "Texas Side Step: Bishops' Letter Attacking Pro-Choice
Candidates Attempts To Sashay Past Federal Tax Law", the Assistant Director
of Communications has signaled their legal strategy.
The group has quite a history of anti-Catholicism in their efforts. They
were originally called "Protestants United for the Separation of Church and
State", but changed their name for obvious reasons. However, with their
recent efforts to bully Catholic Bishops who have the courage to bravely
teach Moral truth, they seem to be reverting to their past. Boston tells AU
supporters:
"Bishops are issuing letters telling Catholics they cannot vote for
candidates who hold pro-choice views and remain in good standing in the
church. Two Texas bishops have released a letter informing their congregants
whom they can and can't vote for and remain faithful members of the Roman
Catholic Church. The missive by Bishop Kevin Farrell of the Diocese of
Dallas and Bishop Kevin Vann of the Diocese of Fort Worth is being read in
all Catholic churches in the area. It states in part, "To vote for a
candidate who supports the intrinsic evil of abortion or 'abortion rights'
when there is a morally acceptable alternative would be to cooperate in the
evil - and, therefore, morally impermissible." The letter never mentions
Democratic candidate Barack Obama or his opponent, John McCain, by name. But
you'd have to be very dense indeed not to get the message. Farrell and Vann
go on to assert that other issues traditionally important to Catholics -
social justice, care for the poor, health care - need not be seriously
considered this year. Instead, Catholics must base their vote on abortion.."
Boston then attempts to add more weight to his misguided effort to besmirch
the Bishops of Texas by borrowing the authority of his boss, the Reverend
Barry Lynn. He continues:"Americans United Executive Director Barry W. Lynn
said the bishops are walking a fine line. "This is clearly an attempt on the
part of these bishops to do an end-run around the federal tax law ban on
electioneering by churches," Lynn told the Morning News. Farrell and Vann
are not the only bishops deliberately striding into a legal gray area this
election season. A similar letter was issued by Bishop Joseph F. Martino of
Scranton, Pa., and was read in churches Oct. 4-5. In the letter, Martino
insisted that faithful Catholics must vote solely on the issue of abortion
and not support any pro-choice candidates. Martino went even further,
adding, "[P]ublic officials who are Catholic and who persist in public
support for abortion and other intrinsic evils should not partake in or be
admitted to the sacrament of Holy Communion. As I have said before, I will
be vigilant on this subject."So, less than three weeks before the election,
bishops are issuing letters telling Catholics that they cannot vote for
candidates who hold pro-choice views and remain in good standing in the
church. That sure sounds to me like the church is favoring certain
candidates over others and trying to affect the outcome of the race."
I believe that Barry Lynn and Rob Boston's interpretation of the
Establishment Clause, Free Speech Clause and Free Exercise Clause of the
First Amendment to the United States Constitution is simply wrong. It is not
faithful to history, it is not a proper reading of Constitutional law, it is
not good for the public order and it does not promote or serve the common
good. This clause was never intended by the American founders to prevent
religious groups from full participation in the public square nor to censor
out religious speech or the religious speaker from civic participation. It
most certainly was never intended to stop Bishops from being Moral teachers.
The "Establishment Clause" is better understood as an "anti-Establishment
Clause" because it was intended to prevent the erection of a National
Church. Of course, as a Catholic, I am quite sensitive to the fact that the
early American colonies were not, for the most part, very Catholic friendly.
However, over time, that changed. And, properly understood, the First
Amendment to the United States Constitution has allowed for a robust
diversity of religious expression (or non-expression) and the flourishing of
a dynamic model of religious freedom in America. That is, when it is
properly interpreted and applied.
However, Rev. Lynn wants to erect a Wall far greater in scope than the
metaphorical wall which has been used in Establishment clause jurisprudence
to explain the American notion of separation. His notion of a wall would
expunge religious expression from the public discourse and impede the
freedom of the Church to speak to the great moral issues of the age. Now,
Rob Boston attempts to bully the US Bishops who are doing what they must,
teaching on matters of moral truth, by threatening their tax exemption. This
is one more example of a growing dark cloud on the horizon of religious
freedom in this wonderful Nation.
To my fellow Catholics, Americans United is threatening to attack the tax
exemption of our Church. In the early days of my own work as a
Constitutional lawyer, my Catholicism was a problem for Rev. Barry Lynn.
Because of me, and others like me, he was unable to convince folks that all
Christian people with whom he disagreed over the Right to Life and a host of
other issues were "fundamentalists". He wanted to denigrate us all by
assigning us to what he hoped to argue was a small segment of Protestant
Christianity, the "fundamentalists', who were a threat to the Republic.
He failed then and he must fail now.
I am appalled that Barry Lynn and Rob Boston are now blatantly threatening
our Church and her Bishops. As a Deacon, I will not be bullied. As a lawyer,
I am also ready to defend against this dangerous threat. I know I am not
alone and I call on all Catholic and other Christian lawyers to get ready.
If these bullies attempt to take away the tax exempt status of the Catholic
Church, they must be strongly opposed. Together we must stand up for an
authentic understanding of religious freedom, defend our Church and oppose
this anti-Christian bullying.
--
J Young
Jvis...@live.com
Owner of Eric F Berg aka 'LC'
* here's the entire collection of efbe...@hotmail.com
Obama/Biden '08
(¯`·.¸Craig Chilton¸.·´¯) •• NO FACTS Support RRR Cult's Loathsome Agendas! ••
"Jon Young"/"IBen Getiner" <Jvis...@live.com> PARROTED:
> Americans United Threatens the Tax Exemption of the
> U.S. Catholic Church.
Great!! Good show!! ALL churches should have to pay taxes!
-- (¯`·.¸Craig Chilton¸.·´¯)
xana...@mchsi.com -- To E-Mail me.
http://www.roadrat.com -- Learn how to get PAID to TRAVEL.
http://apifar.blogspot.com -- Great TACTICS to Fight Bigotry.
http://pro-christian.blogspot.com -- Christianity *vs.* Bigotry.
And with Election Day looming, THIS site is a MUST:
http://www.blackboxvoting.org/
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MORE THAN EVER BEFORE...
"It IS The SUPREME COURT, Stupid!"
Earl Weber ("duke") <duckg...@cox.net> wrote, 10-8-08 --
> I know how the system is supposed to work. But we have
> too many judges that decide based not on the Constitution
> but on their version of social justice.
There can't possibly BE too many egalitarian judges, since ALL
of them are constrained to rule *within* the parameters of the
Constitution. NO judge can *contradict* the Constitution. In
any given case, there is only so much potential "gray area" wiggle
room within which one must rule, or contradiction would occur.
The BEST judges are the fair-minded, sensible, and compas-
sionate ones who rule as close as they possibly can to the param-
eter that affords the most personal freedom for individuals. As
an envelope is defined by it's edges, it's a case of staying inside
of the envelope so as to still be mailable, with the *content*
always being snugly against the edge called "liberty."
Individual freedom should be PARAMOUNT, and NO President
or Senate should EVER be responsible for appointing/confirming
a Justice that doesn't make it unequivocally *clear* that he/she
will steadfastly seek to defend and support it to the fullest extent
possible. There is NOTHING good to be gained by installing a
repressive Justice. That is one of the most *harmful* actions that
a President or Senator can do to his/her country.
We MUST **keep** EGALITARIAN judges in the majority in
the U.S. Supreme Court. And to do that, we MUST elect Obama.
For more important information and talking points, go here:
http://apifar.blogspot.com/2007/11/vital-warning-unseen-unheeded-now.html
http://apifar.blogspot.com/2007/12/surreal-alternate-reality-if-democrats.html
The above articles are clear, concise, totally factual, and are
HIGHLY useful and thought-provoking.
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John Baker
>http://www.catholic.org/politics/story.php?id=30090
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>Americans United Threatens the Tax Exemption of the U.S. Catholic Church
Good. Let the dress-wearing sons of bitches pay their fair share like
the rest of us.
Lars Eighner
J broadcast on alt.atheism:
> Americans United Threatens the Tax Exemption of the U.S. Catholic Church
Hey, if you were just lighting candles to those statutes you worship and
mumbling your hail marys, you wouldn't get in trouble. If you want to get
into politics, expect to take your lumps.
--
Lars Eighner *Atheist #1965* use...@larseighner.com <http://larseighner.com/>
Q. What did Palin do that Obama could not do?
A. Got me to vote for Obama.
John Locke
FACTS Support RRR Cult's Loathsome Agendas! •• "
<xanad...@mchsi.com> wrote:
>On Fri, 24 Oct 2008 22:52:12 -0400,
>"Jon Young"/"IBen Getiner" <Jvis...@live.com> PARROTED:
>
>
>> Americans United Threatens the Tax Exemption of the
>> U.S. Catholic Church.
>
> Great!! Good show!! ALL churches should have to pay taxes!
>
Yes..agreed..churches are nothing but business operations and should
be taxed to the hilt just like the rest of us.
___________________________________________________
"I don't think we're here for anything, we're
just products of evolution. You can say 'Gee,
your life must be pretty bleak if you don't think
there's a purpose' but I'm anticipating a good lunch."
-Dr. James Watson, American biologist, (Discoverer of DNA.)
Michelle Malkin
"John Baker" <nu...@bizniz.net> wrote in message
news:5o35g45fikfohgqqf...@4ax.com...
I totally agree. Why should they get
tax breaks they don't deserve?
Syd M.
> http://www.catholic.org/politics/story.php?id=30090
>
> Americans United Threatens the Tax Exemption of the U.S. Catholic Church
>
PDW
woden
news:fv55g41lcpusp17l2...@4ax.com:
> On Sat, 25 Oct 2008 03:11:59 GMT, "(¯`·.¸Craig Chilton¸.·´¯) •• NO
> FACTS Support RRR Cult's Loathsome Agendas! •• "
> <xanad...@mchsi.com> wrote:
>
>>On Fri, 24 Oct 2008 22:52:12 -0400,
>>"Jon Young"/"IBen Getiner" <Jvis...@live.com> PARROTED:
>>
>>
>>> Americans United Threatens the Tax Exemption of the
>>> U.S. Catholic Church.
>>
>> Great!! Good show!! ALL churches should have to pay taxes!
>>
> Yes..agreed..churches are nothing but business operations and should
> be taxed to the hilt just like the rest of us.
I think calling them "business operations" gives them too much credit.
Let's be honest, they are nothing but scams.
--
Woden
"religion is a socio-political system for controlling people's thoughts,
lives and actions based on ancient myths and superstitions, perpetrated
through generations of subtle yet pervasive brainwashing."
Mark Sebree
>
> Americans United Threatens the Tax Exemption of the U.S. Catholic Church
>
> By Deacon Keith A. Fournier
> 10/16/2008
>
> Catholic Online
>
> I am appalled that Barry Lynn and Rob Boston are now blatantly threatening
> our Church and her Bishops. As a Deacon, I will not be bullied. As a lawyer,
> I am ready to defend against this dangerous threat.
>
> CHESAPEAKE, Va. (Catholic Online) - Rob Boston of "Americans United for the
> Separation of Church and State" has decided to engage in verbal bullying
> with the leadership of the U.S. Catholic Church. In a posting on the AU web
> site entitled "Texas Side Step: Bishops' Letter Attacking Pro-Choice
> Candidates Attempts To Sashay Past Federal Tax Law", the Assistant Director
> of Communications has signaled their legal strategy.
>
>
[rest of article snipped]
And the problem with this is? Does the Catholic Church think that it
is exempt from the law? They have been trying to bully Catholic
politicians for years, so it is time for them to start "paying the
piper". The letter mentioned most certainly oversteps the bounds of a
tax exempt organization in the endorsement of a political party or
candidate, and thus they should be held accountable under the law, and
fined commensurate with the income seen by the organization at that
level.
Mark Sebree
Palin/McBush `08
@f63g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>, Mark Sebree at seb...@infionline.net
says...
They're out of money after paying for their pedophile priests.
John Locke
>John Locke <johnloc...@comcast.net> wrote in
>news:fv55g41lcpusp17l2...@4ax.com:
>
>> On Sat, 25 Oct 2008 03:11:59 GMT, "(¯`·.¸Craig Chilton¸.·´¯) •• NO
>> FACTS Support RRR Cult's Loathsome Agendas! •• "
>> <xanad...@mchsi.com> wrote:
>>
>>>On Fri, 24 Oct 2008 22:52:12 -0400,
>>>"Jon Young"/"IBen Getiner" <Jvis...@live.com> PARROTED:
>>>
>>>
>>>> Americans United Threatens the Tax Exemption of the
>>>> U.S. Catholic Church.
>>>
>>> Great!! Good show!! ALL churches should have to pay taxes!
>>>
>> Yes..agreed..churches are nothing but business operations and should
>> be taxed to the hilt just like the rest of us.
>
>
>I think calling them "business operations" gives them too much credit.
>Let's be honest, they are nothing but scams.
>
Yes, you have a point there. At least with snake oil you got something
tangible for your money.
duke
Support RRR Cult's Loathsome Agendas! •• " <xanad...@mchsi.com> wrote:
>On Fri, 24 Oct 2008 22:52:12 -0400,
>"Jon Young"/"IBen Getiner" <Jvis...@live.com> PARROTED:
>
>
>> Americans United Threatens the Tax Exemption of the
>> U.S. Catholic Church.
>
> Great!! Good show!! ALL churches should have to pay taxes!
Then we can preach from the pulpit. Say goodbye to abortion. Say goodbye to
the obomination.
The Dukester, American-American
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
*****
duke
wrote:
>And the problem with this is? Does the Catholic Church think that it
>is exempt from the law? They have been trying to bully Catholic
>politicians for years, so it is time for them to start "paying the
>piper". The letter mentioned most certainly oversteps the bounds of a
>tax exempt organization in the endorsement of a political party or
>candidate, and thus they should be held accountable under the law, and
>fined commensurate with the income seen by the organization at that
>level.
Say goodbye to oboyma's church - what a black crock.
(¯`·.¸Craig Chilton¸.·´¯) •• NO FACTS Support RRR Cult's Loathsome Agendas! ••
Earl Weber ("duke") <duckg...@cox.net> wrote:
> "(¯`·.¸Craig Chilton¸.·´¯) •• NO FACTS Support RRR Cult's
> Loathsome Agendas! •• " <xanad...@mchsi.com> wrote:
>>" Jon Young"/"IBen Getiner" <Jvis...@live.com> PARROTED:
>>> Americans United Threatens the Tax Exemption of the
>>> U.S. Catholic Church.
>> Great!! Good show!! ALL churches should have to pay taxes!
> Then we can preach from the pulpit. Say goodbye to abortion.
Abortion's merely a valuable REMEDY. Just as aspirin is.
Not the LEAST BIT a "moral" issue.
So the more that RRR-Cult infested "prechers" yowl about it,
the MORE they will be LAUGHED at. Works for me! ROTFL!!
So let's TAX the daylights out of those hatemongers. Make 'em
PAY, right along with everyone else.
-- (¯`·.¸Craig Chilton¸.·´¯)
xana...@mchsi.com -- To E-Mail me.
http://www.roadrat.com -- Learn how to get PAID to TRAVEL.
http://apifar.blogspot.com -- Great TACTICS to Fight Bigotry.
http://pro-christian.blogspot.com -- Christianity *vs.* Bigotry.
And with Election Day looming, THIS site is a MUST:
http://www.blackboxvoting.org/
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ANTI-Choicers who actually think that the Bible
*Supports* their Loathsome Stance against Human Rights
Anti-Choicers sometimes use the following passage to lamely
"justify" their hateful crusade against millions of women, thinking
that Biblical MENTION of the the existence of g/z/e/fs some-
how constitutes "defense' of them. (Which it NEVER does.) ---
"All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is
profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for
instruction in righteousness: That the man of God
may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good
works."
But On October 27, 2001, "Dragonblaze" astutely observed:
"Ohhkay, if you _really_ want to go that way.......
• Human sacrifice commanded by God - Leviticus 27:28,29.
God sends ten plagues on Egypt because Pharaoh won't release the
Hebrews, but he deliberately hardens Pharaoh's heart so he refuses to
release the Hebrews making these plagues necessary in the first place
-- God admits this is so he can perform 'His wonders' (Exodus 11:9);
i.e., wholesale mass slaughter of life in Egypt.
-- Exodus 7:3-4, 13-14; 10:1,20.
• God sanctions slavery and a man selling his daughter.
-- Exodus 21:2-6, 7.
God says that if a man strikes 'his slave', male or female, and they
do not die immediately, the man shall not be punished because 'the
slave is his money (ie. property)' -- Exodus 21:20-21.
• God deliberately deludes people so they will not be saved.
-- 2 Thess. 2:11-12.
• God has a friendly meeting with his arch enemy Satan -- whom he
doesn't even recognise -- Job 1:6-7, and they have a wager (Job
1:8-12) over how much suffering it would take before righteous Job
will reject God. Job then has his whole family killed and livelihood
ruined (1:13-19) and then is afflicted by a loathsome plague (2:7-8).
• Rape of a slave woman is to be punished by scourging the victim
(the slave woman) -- but the rapist's sins "shall be forgiven him."
-- Lev. 19:20-22
• "And the man that lieth with his father's wife ... both of them shall
be put to death." Which? The man and his father? The father and
his wife? Or the man and his father's wife? Oh heck, just kill all
three. -- Lev. 20:11
• Handicapped people cannot approach the altar of God. They
would "profane" it. -- Lev. 21:16-23
• God estimates the value of human life in dollars and cents. Of
course, to God, females are worth considerably less than males
-- but neither are worth much. -- Lev. 27:3-7
• Kill everyone who has religious views that are different than your
own. -- Deut. 17:2-7
• Kill rape victims if they fail to cry out loud enough. -- Deut.
22:23-34
• Bad people are bad from birth; God made them that way. --
Ps. 58:3
• God is praised for slaughtering little babies. -- Ps.135:8, 136:10
• Happiness is smashing little children against rocks. -- Ps.137:9
• God will laugh at your misfortunes, mock you when you are afraid,
and ignore you when your ask him for help. -- Prov.1:26-28
• Jesus explains that the reason he speaks in parables is so that no
one will understand him, "lest ... they ... should understand ... and
should be converted, and I should heal them." -- Matt. 13:10-15
• Jesus criticizes the Jews for not killing their disobedient children
according to Old Testament law. -- Mark 7:9
• All of the vicious Old Testament laws will be binding forever.
-- Luke 16:17
• The reason people didn't believe in Jesus was that God had
"blinded their eyes, and hardened their heart." God did this so
that they would not "understand with their heart, and be
converted." -- John 12:40
• Paul explains that "the natural use" of women is to act as sexual
objects for the pleasure of men. -- Romans 1:27
• A Christian cannot be accused of any wrongdoing. -- Romans 8:33 "
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(¯`·.¸Craig Chilton¸.·´¯) •• NO FACTS Support RRR Cult's Loathsome Agendas! ••
>> And the problem with this is? Does the Catholic Church think that it
>> is exempt from the law? They have been trying to bully Catholic
>> politicians for years, so it is time for them to start "paying the
>> piper". The letter mentioned most certainly oversteps the bounds of a
>> tax exempt organization in the endorsement of a political party or
>> candidate, and thus they should be held accountable under the law, and
>> fined commensurate with the income seen by the organization at that
>> level.
> Say goodbye to oboyma's church - what a black crock.
Hey!! •• THANKS •• for this clear REMINDER to everyone that
you not only are an anti-woman bigot and a homophobic bigot... but
you ALSO are bone-IGNORANT enough to be a RACIST bigot.
Another 10 points off our estimation of your IQ, which was already
getting dangerously close to single digits.
-- (¯`·.¸Craig Chilton¸.·´¯)
xana...@mchsi.com -- To E-Mail me.
http://www.roadrat.com -- Learn how to get PAID to TRAVEL.
http://apifar.blogspot.com -- Great TACTICS to Fight Bigotry.
http://pro-christian.blogspot.com -- Christianity *vs.* Bigotry.
And with Election Day looming, THIS site is a MUST:
http://www.blackboxvoting.org/
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BIGOTRY'S Path to EXTINCTION
Society ALWAYS outgrows intolerant and hateful movements
that are mired in stupidity, and are supported by NO relevant
facts. ALWAYS. No exceptions! And our own history, here
in the USA, makes that very clear. Since 1865 ---
-- Slavery -- EXTINCT
-- Opposition to Women's Suffrage -- EXTINCT
-- Prohibition -- EXTINCT
-- Opposition to Birth-Control Pill -- EXTINCT
-- Segregation -- EXTINCT
-- Anti-Semitism -- ENDANGERED (Thankfully)
-- Anti-Choice (abortion) -- LAUGHINGSTOCK STATUS
-- Opposition to EQUAL Rights for Gays -- FADING FAST
Segregationists were a JOKE (i.e., "laughingstock status")
during the last few years before it became extinct. As opposition
to EQUAL rights for gays (with respect to housing, being parents,
marriage, and employment) continues to fade, the remaining
opponents first will become laughingstocks, and then that
hatefulness will end in extinction. constant consciousness-raising,
as is being assisted by the media in its sitcoms, talk shows, etc., is
very helpful.
The ludicrous and hateful actions and defense of sociopathic
agendas against individual liberties on the part of the adherents/
lemmings of the RRR Cult will soon lead to American society's
becoming EMBARRASSED to have those louts in their midst,
making our country a laughingstock in front of the entire world.
Even now, the process of their becoming FED UP with that is
building toward the critical mass that will trigger the *rejection*
of the RRR's **shameful** and worthless agendas. Before much
longer, society will reject those movements with all the force that
it brought to bear against segregation.
Historical precedents have CONSISTENTLY proven that
Americans **outgrow* movements of intolerance (such as ALL
of the above), and then REJECT them -- leaving them behind
FOREVER.
And *that* is EXTINCTION.
Very WELCOME extinction. As in, "Good riddance forever!"
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(¯`·.¸Craig Chilton¸.·´¯) •• NO FACTS Support RRR Cult's Loathsome Agendas! ••
Bob Officer <bobof...@127.0.0.7> wrote:
> (¯`·.¸Craig Chilton¸.·´¯) •• NO FACTS Support RRR Cult's
> Loathsome Agendas! •• <xanad...@mchsi.com> wrote:
>>> Americans United Threatens the Tax Exemption of the
>>> U.S. Catholic Church.
>> Great!! Good show!! ALL churches should have to pay taxes!
> All of them. Every single one of them. and the easiest way to do so
> would be to remove the charity deduction from personal income tax for
> contributions given to churches.
True. More and more in these times, people are looking for tax breaks.
We should get RID of this one, and end the free ride that the churches
have never deserved.
-- (¯`·.¸Craig Chilton¸.·´¯)
xana...@mchsi.com -- To E-Mail me.
http://www.roadrat.com -- Learn how to get PAID to TRAVEL.
http://apifar.blogspot.com -- Great TACTICS to Fight Bigotry.
http://pro-christian.blogspot.com -- Christianity *vs.* Bigotry.
And with Election Day looming, THIS site is a MUST:
http://www.blackboxvoting.org/
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JACK CAFFERTY Asked, on CNN ---
"What could change your pick for President?"
"Absolutely nothing.
"If I get run over by a car, I’ll crawl to the polls to vote for Obama.
If I get run over by a truck, I’ll rise from the dead to cast my vote for
Obama."
-- Frederick Wasti, 10-27-08
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duke
Support RRR Cult's Loathsome Agendas! •• " <xanad...@mchsi.com> wrote:
>>>> Americans United Threatens the Tax Exemption of the
>>>> U.S. Catholic Church.
>>> Great!! Good show!! ALL churches should have to pay taxes!
>> Then we can preach from the pulpit. Say goodbye to abortion.
> Abortion's merely a valuable REMEDY. Just as aspirin is.
>Not the LEAST BIT a "moral" issue.
It's a mortal sin punishable by an eternity in hell.
> So the more that RRR-Cult infested "prechers" yowl about it,
>the MORE they will be LAUGHED at. Works for me! ROTFL!!
satan smiles at you - fresh meat.
> So let's TAX the daylights out of those hatemongers. Make 'em
>PAY, right along with everyone else.
Then the Church can politic galore from the pulpit.
Say goodbye to abortion.
The Dukester, American-American
The Chief Instigator
> On Mon, 27 Oct 2008 11:58:25 GMT, "(¯`·.¸Craig Chilton¸.·´¯) •• NO FACTS
> Support RRR Cult's Loathsome Agendas! •• " <xanad...@mchsi.com> wrote:
>
>>>>> Americans United Threatens the Tax Exemption of the
>>>>> U.S. Catholic Church.
>>>> Great!! Good show!! ALL churches should have to pay taxes!
>>> Then we can preach from the pulpit. Say goodbye to abortion.
>
>> Abortion's merely a valuable REMEDY. Just as aspirin is.
>>Not the LEAST BIT a "moral" issue.
>
> It's a mortal sin punishable by an eternity in hell.
>
>> So the more that RRR-Cult infested "prechers" yowl about it,
>>the MORE they will be LAUGHED at. Works for me! ROTFL!!
>
> satan smiles at you - fresh meat.
>
>> So let's TAX the daylights out of those hatemongers. Make 'em
>>PAY, right along with everyone else.
>
> Then the Church can politic galore from the pulpit.
>
> Say goodbye to abortion.
Say goodbye to your two-millenia-old fraud of a church, Earl.
--
Patrick "The Chief Instigator" Humphrey (pat...@io.com) Houston, Texas
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slate
>On Mon, 27 Oct 2008 11:58:25 GMT, "(¯`·.¸Craig Chilton¸.·´¯) •• NO FACTS
>Support RRR Cult's Loathsome Agendas! •• " <xanad...@mchsi.com> wrote:
>
>>>>> Americans United Threatens the Tax Exemption of the
>>>>> U.S. Catholic Church.
>>>> Great!! Good show!! ALL churches should have to pay taxes!
>>> Then we can preach from the pulpit. Say goodbye to abortion.
>
>> Abortion's merely a valuable REMEDY. Just as aspirin is.
>>Not the LEAST BIT a "moral" issue.
>
>It's a mortal sin punishable by an eternity in hell.
Only in the minds of those who believe it. The reality is
we will die, just as every other animal dies.
>> So the more that RRR-Cult infested "prechers" yowl about it,
>>the MORE they will be LAUGHED at. Works for me! ROTFL!!
>
>satan smiles at you - fresh meat.
>
>> So let's TAX the daylights out of those hatemongers. Make 'em
>>PAY, right along with everyone else.
>
>Then the Church can politic galore from the pulpit.
>
>Say goodbye to abortion.
Why exactly do you care? What's in it for you? Is your God so
weak that it's incapable of judging people by itself? That would
seem to be the case with the anti-choice people that are constantly
wringing their hands, threatening damnation, and dictating their
perception of right and wrong to people who don't care what they
think or say. I've yet to hear one valid argument that explains
why someone's decision to abort or not, is anyone's business but
the woman involved. Could you enlighten us on this?
Slate
duke
>On Tue, 28 Oct 2008 08:43:40 -0500, duke <duckg...@cox.net> wrote:
>> On Mon, 27 Oct 2008 11:58:25 GMT, "(¯`·.¸Craig Chilton¸.·´¯) •• NO FACTS
>> Support RRR Cult's Loathsome Agendas! •• " <xanad...@mchsi.com> wrote:
>>
>>>>>> Americans United Threatens the Tax Exemption of the
>>>>>> U.S. Catholic Church.
>>>>> Great!! Good show!! ALL churches should have to pay taxes!
>>>> Then we can preach from the pulpit. Say goodbye to abortion.
>>
>>> Abortion's merely a valuable REMEDY. Just as aspirin is.
>>>Not the LEAST BIT a "moral" issue.
>>
>> It's a mortal sin punishable by an eternity in hell.
>>
>>> So the more that RRR-Cult infested "prechers" yowl about it,
>>>the MORE they will be LAUGHED at. Works for me! ROTFL!!
>>
>> satan smiles at you - fresh meat.
>>
>>> So let's TAX the daylights out of those hatemongers. Make 'em
>>>PAY, right along with everyone else.
>>
>> Then the Church can politic galore from the pulpit.
>>
>> Say goodbye to abortion.
>
>Say goodbye to your two-millenia-old fraud of a church, Earl.
Protected by the US Constitution, and is the largest Christian Church worldwide.
duke
>On Tue, 28 Oct 2008 08:43:40 -0500, in alt.abortion, duke
><duckg...@cox.net> wrote:
>
>>On Mon, 27 Oct 2008 11:58:25 GMT, "(¯`·.¸Craig Chilton¸.·´¯) •• NO FACTS
>>Support RRR Cult's Loathsome Agendas! •• " <xanad...@mchsi.com> wrote:
>>
>>>>>> Americans United Threatens the Tax Exemption of the
>>>>>> U.S. Catholic Church.
>>>>> Great!! Good show!! ALL churches should have to pay taxes!
>>>> Then we can preach from the pulpit. Say goodbye to abortion.
>>
>>> Abortion's merely a valuable REMEDY. Just as aspirin is.
>>>Not the LEAST BIT a "moral" issue.
>>
>>It's a mortal sin punishable by an eternity in hell.
>>
>>> So the more that RRR-Cult infested "prechers" yowl about it,
>>>the MORE they will be LAUGHED at. Works for me! ROTFL!!
>>
>>satan smiles at you - fresh meat.
>>
>>> So let's TAX the daylights out of those hatemongers. Make 'em
>>>PAY, right along with everyone else.
>>
>>Then the Church can politic galore from the pulpit.
>>Say goodbye to abortion.
> Not if it is taxed and held accountable 100% under the law.
It's a charitable write off. And most politicians experience an know what they
face if they change it.
>Not one of your priest could hold elected office in the US, and by
>law each of your clergy has renounced US citizenship when they took
>they orders.
When?
>Every priest and church official of the RCC would have to register
>agent of a foreign government.
Sorry, but American priests are voting Americans.
> Sedition laws are still on the books
>and as foreign agents couldn't even speak if an elected official
>without having to register as a foreign lobbyist making contact with
>an elected or appointed official.
You're just a big bullshitting blow off, bad odor.
>then it would be easier to expel these all to common ass-fucking
>priests, and protect our children from their unclean acts.
Don't let them near you then.
duke
Support RRR Cult's Loathsome Agendas! •• " <xanad...@mchsi.com> wrote:
>On Mon, 27 Oct 2008 06:43:22 -0500,
>Earl Weber ("duke") <duckg...@cox.net> wrote:
>> Mark Sebree <seb...@infionline.net> wrote:
>
>
>>> And the problem with this is? Does the Catholic Church think that it
>>> is exempt from the law? They have been trying to bully Catholic
>>> politicians for years, so it is time for them to start "paying the
>>> piper". The letter mentioned most certainly oversteps the bounds of a
>>> tax exempt organization in the endorsement of a political party or
>>> candidate, and thus they should be held accountable under the law, and
>>> fined commensurate with the income seen by the organization at that
>>> level.
>
>> Say goodbye to oboyma's church - what a black crock.
> Hey!! •• THANKS •• for this clear REMINDER to everyone that
>you not only are an anti-woman bigot and a homophobic bigot... but
>you ALSO are bone-IGNORANT enough to be a RACIST bigot.
Who?? Not me. Black is black. "There was a woman - dressed in black, she
made her living lying on her back".
o-boy-ma is a black man,.........eh, child.
> Another 10 points off our estimation of your IQ, which was already
>getting dangerously close to single digits.
But still 9 points above yours.
The Dukester, American-American
Mark Sebree
> On Sun, 26 Oct 2008 08:40:28 -0700 (PDT), Mark Sebree <seb...@infionline.net>
> wrote:
>
> >And the problem with this is? Does the Catholic Church think that it
> >is exempt from the law? They have been trying to bully Catholic
> >politicians for years, so it is time for them to start "paying the
> >piper". The letter mentioned most certainly oversteps the bounds of a
> >tax exempt organization in the endorsement of a political party or
> >candidate, and thus they should be held accountable under the law, and
> >fined commensurate with the income seen by the organization at that
> >level.
>
> Say goodbye to oboyma's church - what a black crock.
No idea what you are talking about.
And did this church break the law as the Catholic Church has
historically done? If so, then they should be subjected to the same
type of punishment, commensurate with the actual crime and the desired
results of the organization.
Mark Sebree
>
> Duke
The Chief Instigator
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On Mon, 27 Oct 2008 06:42:07 -0500,
Earl Weber ("duke") <duckg...@cox.net> wrote:
> "(¯`·.¸Craig Chilton¸.·´¯) •• NO FACTS Support RRR Cult's
> Loathsome Agendas! •• " <xanad...@mchsi.com> wrote:
>>" Jon Young"/"IBen Getiner" <Jvis...@live.com> PARROTED:
>>> Americans United Threatens the Tax Exemption of the
>>> U.S. Catholic Church.
>> Great!! Good show!! ALL churches should have to pay taxes!
> Then we can preach from the pulpit. Say goodbye to abortion.
Abortion's merely a valuable REMEDY. Just as aspirin is.
Not the LEAST BIT a "moral" issue.
So the more that RRR-Cult infested "prechers" yowl about it,
the MORE they will be LAUGHED at. Works for me! ROTFL!!
So let's TAX the daylights out of those hatemongers. Make 'em
PAY, right along with everyone else.
-- (¯`·.¸Craig Chilton¸.·´¯)
parallax
Mainstream, accepted religions won't be taxed.
On Oct 24, 9:52 pm, "J" <Jvisi...@live.com> wrote:
> http://www.catholic.org/politics/story.php?id=30090
>
> Americans United Threatens the Tax Exemption of the U.S. Catholic Church
>
> By Deacon Keith A. Fournier
> 10/16/2008
>
> Catholic Online
>
> I am appalled that Barry Lynn and Rob Boston are now blatantly threatening
> our Church and her Bishops. As a Deacon, I will not be bullied. As a lawyer,
> I am ready to defend against this dangerous threat.
>
> CHESAPEAKE, Va. (Catholic Online) - Rob Boston of "Americans United for the
> Separation of Church and State" has decided to engage in verbal bullying
> with the leadership of the U.S. Catholic Church. In a posting on the AU web
> site entitled "Texas Side Step: Bishops' Letter Attacking Pro-Choice
> Candidates Attempts To Sashay Past Federal Tax Law", the Assistant Director
> of Communications has signaled their legal strategy.
>
> The group has quite a history of anti-Catholicism in their efforts. They
> were originally called "Protestants United for the Separation of Church and
> State", but changed their name for obvious reasons. However, with their
> recent efforts to bully Catholic Bishops who have the courage to bravely
> teach Moral truth, they seem to be reverting to their past. Boston tells AU
> supporters:
>
> "Bishops are issuing letters telling Catholics they cannot vote for
> candidates who hold pro-choice views and remain in good standing in the
> church. Two Texas bishops have released a letter informing their congregants
> whom they can and can't vote for and remain faithful members of the Roman
> Catholic Church. The missive by Bishop Kevin Farrell of the Diocese of
> Dallas and Bishop Kevin Vann of the Diocese of Fort Worth is being read in
> all Catholic churches in the area. It states in part, "To vote for a
> candidate who supports the intrinsic evil of abortion or 'abortion rights'
> when there is a morally acceptable alternative would be to cooperate in the
> evil - and, therefore, morally impermissible." The letter never mentions
> Democratic candidate Barack Obama or his opponent, John McCain, by name. But
> you'd have to be very dense indeed not to get the message. Farrell and Vann
> go on to assert that other issues traditionally important to Catholics -
> social justice, care for the poor, health care - need not be seriously
> considered this year. Instead, Catholics must base their vote on abortion.."
>
> Boston then attempts to add more weight to his misguided effort to besmirch
> the Bishops of Texas by borrowing the authority of his boss, the Reverend
> Barry Lynn. He continues:"Americans United Executive Director Barry W. Lynn
> said the bishops are walking a fine line. "This is clearly an attempt on the
> part of these bishops to do an end-run around the federal tax law ban on
> electioneering by churches," Lynn told the Morning News. Farrell and Vann
> are not the only bishops deliberately striding into a legal gray area this
> election season. A similar letter was issued by Bishop Joseph F. Martino of
> Scranton, Pa., and was read in churches Oct. 4-5. In the letter, Martino
> insisted that faithful Catholics must vote solely on the issue of abortion
> and not support any pro-choice candidates. Martino went even further,
> adding, "[P]ublic officials who are Catholic and who persist in public
> support for abortion and other intrinsic evils should not partake in or be
> admitted to the sacrament of Holy Communion. As I have said before, I will
> be vigilant on this subject."So, less than three weeks before the election,
> bishops are issuing letters telling Catholics that they cannot vote for
> candidates who hold pro-choice views and remain in good standing in the
> church. That sure sounds to me like the church is favoring certain
> candidates over others and trying to affect the outcome of the race."
>
> I believe that Barry Lynn and Rob Boston's interpretation of the
> Establishment Clause, Free Speech Clause and Free Exercise Clause of the
> First Amendment to the United States Constitution is simply wrong. It is not
> faithful to history, it is not a proper reading of Constitutional law, it is
> not good for the public order and it does not promote or serve the common
> good. This clause was never intended by the American founders to prevent
> religious groups from full participation in the public square nor to censor
> out religious speech or the religious speaker from civic participation. It
> most certainly was never intended to stop Bishops from being Moral teachers.
>
> The "Establishment Clause" is better understood as an "anti-Establishment
> Clause" because it was intended to prevent the erection of a National
> Church. Of course, as a Catholic, I am quite sensitive to the fact that the
> early American colonies were not, for the most part, very Catholic friendly.
> However, over time, that changed. And, properly understood, the First
> Amendment to the United States Constitution has allowed for a robust
> diversity of religious expression (or non-expression) and the flourishing of
> a dynamic model of religious freedom in America. That is, when it is
> properly interpreted and applied.
>
> However, Rev. Lynn wants to erect a Wall far greater in scope than the
> metaphorical wall which has been used in Establishment clause jurisprudence
> to explain the American notion of separation. His notion of a wall would
> expunge religious expression from the public discourse and impede the
> freedom of the Church to speak to the great moral issues of the age. Now,
> Rob Boston attempts to bully the US Bishops who are doing what they must,
> teaching on matters of moral truth, by threatening their tax exemption. This
> is one more example of a growing dark cloud on the horizon of religious
> freedom in this wonderful Nation.
>
> To my fellow Catholics, Americans United is threatening to attack the tax
> exemption of our Church. In the early days of my own work as a
> Constitutional lawyer, my Catholicism was a problem for Rev. Barry Lynn.
> Because of me, and others like me, he was unable to convince folks that all
> Christian people with whom he disagreed over the Right to Life and a host of
> other issues were "fundamentalists". He wanted to denigrate us all by
> assigning us to what he hoped to argue was a small segment of Protestant
> Christianity, the "fundamentalists', who were a threat to the Republic.
>
> He failed then and he must fail now.
>
> I am appalled that Barry Lynn and Rob Boston are now blatantly threatening
> our Church and her Bishops. As a Deacon, I will not be bullied. As a lawyer,
> I am also ready to defend against this dangerous threat. I know I am not
> alone and I call on all Catholic and other Christian lawyers to get ready.
> If these bullies attempt to take away the tax exempt status of the Catholic
> Church, they must be strongly opposed. Together we must stand up for an
> authentic understanding of religious freedom, defend our Church and oppose
> this anti-Christian bullying.
>
> --
> J Young
> Jvisi...@live.com
> Owner of Eric F Berg aka 'LC'
>
> * here's the entire collection of efber...@hotmail.com
>
> http://tiny.cc/6hl5F
>
> Obama/Biden '08
(¯`·.¸Craig Chilton¸.·´¯) •• NO FACTS Support RRR Cult's Loathsome Agendas! ••
slate <slate19...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Earl Weber ("duke") <duckg...@cox.net> wrote:
>> Say goodbye to abortion.
> Why exactly do you care? What's in it for you? Is your God so
> weak that it's incapable of judging people by itself? That would
> seem to be the case with the anti-choice people that are constantly
> wringing their hands, threatening damnation, and dictating their
> perception of right and wrong to people who don't care what they
> think or say. I've yet to hear one valid argument that explains
> why someone's decision to abort or not, is anyone's business but
> the woman involved. Could you enlighten us on this?
VERY well put. I've been asking them that for decades, now,
and to date, NONE of them have ever yet been able to provide
a FACT-based answer.
-- (¯`·.¸Craig Chilton¸.·´¯)
xana...@mchsi.com -- To E-Mail me.
http://www.roadrat.com -- Learn how to get PAID to TRAVEL.
http://apifar.blogspot.com -- Great TACTICS to Fight Bigotry.
http://pro-christian.blogspot.com -- Christianity *vs.* Bigotry.
And with Election Day looming, THIS site is a MUST:
http://www.blackboxvoting.org/
~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*
(¯`·.¸Craig Chilton¸.·´¯) •• NO FACTS Support RRR Cult's Loathsome Agendas! ••
Earl Weber ("duke") <duckg...@cox.net> wrote:
> (¯`·.¸Craig Chilton¸.·´¯) •• NO FACTS Support RRR Cult's
> Loathsome Agendas! •• <xanad...@mchsi.com> wrote:
>> Earl Weber ("duke") <duckg...@cox.net> wrote:
>>> Mark Sebree <seb...@infionline.net> wrote:
>>>> And the problem with this is? Does the Catholic Church think that it
>>>> is exempt from the law? They have been trying to bully Catholic
>>>> politicians for years, so it is time for them to start "paying the
>>>> piper". The letter mentioned most certainly oversteps the bounds of a
>>>> tax exempt organization in the endorsement of a political party or
>>>> candidate, and thus they should be held accountable under the law, and
>>>> fined commensurate with the income seen by the organization at that
>>>> level.
>>> Say goodbye to oboyma's church - what a black crock.
>> Hey!! •• THANKS •• for this clear REMINDER to everyone that
>> you not only are an anti-woman bigot and a homophobic bigot... but
>> you ALSO are bone-IGNORANT enough to be a RACIST bigot.
> Who?? Not me. Black is black. "There was a woman - dressed in
> black, she made her living lying on her back".
>
> o-boy-ma is a black man,.........eh, child.
Yep. You're a very BLATANT racist.
And thus, if you had ANY credibility before, it's ZERO now.
>> Another 10 points off our estimation of your IQ, which was already
>>getting dangerously close to single digits.
-- (¯`·.¸Craig Chilton¸.·´¯)
slate
>On Tue, 28 Oct 2008 19:21:11 -0400,
>slate <slate19...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> Earl Weber ("duke") <duckg...@cox.net> wrote:
>
>
>>> Say goodbye to abortion.
>
>> Why exactly do you care? What's in it for you? Is your God so
>> weak that it's incapable of judging people by itself? That would
>> seem to be the case with the anti-choice people that are constantly
>> wringing their hands, threatening damnation, and dictating their
>> perception of right and wrong to people who don't care what they
>> think or say. I've yet to hear one valid argument that explains
>> why someone's decision to abort or not, is anyone's business but
>> the woman involved. Could you enlighten us on this?
>
> VERY well put. I've been asking them that for decades, now,
>and to date, NONE of them have ever yet been able to provide
>a FACT-based answer.
>
> -- (¯`·.¸Craig Chilton¸.·´¯)
I too have been chasing this answer for a countless number of years.
I've come to the conclusion I'd have better luck finding the fountain
of youth in an expedition led by Stevie Wonder.
Slate
(¯`·.¸Craig Chilton¸.·´¯) •• NO FACTS Support RRR Cult's Loathsome Agendas! ••
slate <slate19...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> (¯`·.¸Craig Chilton¸.·´¯) •• NO FACTS Support RRR Cult's
> Loathsome Agendas! •• <xanad...@mchsi.com> wrote:
>> slate <slate19...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>> Earl Weber ("duke") <duckg...@cox.net> wrote:
>>>> Say goodbye to abortion.
>>> Why exactly do you care? What's in it for you? Is your God so
>>> weak that it's incapable of judging people by itself? That would
>>> seem to be the case with the anti-choice people that are constantly
>>> wringing their hands, threatening damnation, and dictating their
>>> perception of right and wrong to people who don't care what they
>>> think or say. I've yet to hear one valid argument that explains
>>> why someone's decision to abort or not, is anyone's business but
>>> the woman involved. Could you enlighten us on this?
>> VERY well put. I've been asking them that for decades, now,
>> and to date, NONE of them have ever yet been able to provide
>> a FACT-based answer.
> I too have been chasing this answer for a countless number of years.
> I've come to the conclusion I'd have better luck finding the fountain
> of youth in an expedition led by Stevie Wonder.
I've concluded that no facts even EXIST that they could draw upon
to present as an argument. And the likelihood that the 15 million people
who comprise the RRR Cult is a population of absolute DOLTS is thus
further strengthened by their adherence to utter NONSENSE.
ALL that the RRR Cult has going for it can be found in the SIG ---
-- (¯`·.¸Craig Chilton¸.·´¯)
xana...@mchsi.com -- To E-Mail me.
http://www.roadrat.com -- Learn how to get PAID to TRAVEL.
http://apifar.blogspot.com -- Great TACTICS to Fight Bigotry.
http://pro-christian.blogspot.com -- Christianity *vs.* Bigotry.
And with Election Day looming, THIS site is a MUST:
http://www.blackboxvoting.org/
~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*
Here's What the Anti-Choicers/RRR Cultists/Homophobes HAVE...
and What They DON'T Have.
They are very ADEPT at:
-- Lying
-- Playing semantic word-games
-- Denigrating people who have done NOTHING to deserve it
-- Propagandizing
-- Practicing dishonesty
-- Hyping agendas which would impose hardship upon people
-- Spewing disinformation
-- Seeking to limit individual freedoms and rights
-- Opposing the granting of reasonable rights
-- Being intolerant of any PRIVATE behaviors they disagree with
-- Being intolerant of any PRIVATE decisions they disagree with
-- Practicing bigotry
-- Demonstrating abject ignorance
-- Being busybodies
-- Supporting hateful agendas
-- Being selfish
-- Employing scare tactics
-- Pushing agendas DEVOID of socially-redeeming significance
-- Being sociopaths
-- Appealing for sympathy from the profoundly ignorant
-- Being buttinskies
-- Showing total lack of concern for the well-being of millions
-- Appealing for sympathy from the profoundly gullible
-- Whining
-- MORE Lying
And what they DON'T have is so much as even ONE FACT that can
support ANY of the above behavior, or the bigoted agendas associated
with it. They *don't* HAVE facts, and thus are never able to PRESENT
any relevant facts to use as arguments. Thus, in their "debates," the
ONLY ammunition in their arsenals consists of the ABOVE character flaws
and displays of ignorance and dishonesty.
If they HAD some actual, relevant facts with which to make a good
argument for their oppressive hatefulness, THAT would be *something,*
at least.
But they don't. NO facts. Zip. Zilch. Nada.
And that LEAVES them with nothing but ignorance and bigotry.
~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*
slate
In my view, the anti-choice crowd that exists today would be the very
same people leading the mob with pitchforks and torches in hand, while
yelling: "Burn the witch!"... their intolerance is boundless.
Slate
(¯`·.¸Craig Chilton¸.·´¯) •• NO FACTS Support RRR Cult's Loathsome Agendas! ••
> (¯`·.¸Craig Chilton¸.·´¯) •• NO FACTS Support RRR Cult's
> Loathsome Agendas! •• <xanad...@mchsi.com> wrote:
>> slate <slate19...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> Say goodbye to abortion.
Yep. Europe was SO lucky to have gotten RID of the Puritans... and
it was OUR bad luck to this day that their accursed ship didn't SINK in the
mid-Atlantic with all hands! Europe is *wondrously* FREE of the RRR Cult
today, and was never afflicted with such abject stupidity in recent centur-
ies.
So you hit it right on the head, since one of the ways I very accur-
ately describe the mindset of the doltish lemmings of the RRR Cult is:
"Ducking-Stool Mentality."
It's not sensible people of average-and-above intelligence would want
any part of. So it's no wonder the RRR's leaders TARGET those who,
through no fault of their own, were born with lower intellects. ONLY
people having the level of gullibility that could be consistent with that
would be susceptible to being CONNED by the cult's propaganda, dis-
information, and ludicrous semantic word-games. Coincidentally (or not),
5% of the population has IQs of 70 and lower... and 5% of the popula-
tion comprises the RRR Cult in the USA. We may never see a good test
for it -- but I would LOVE to know just HOW MUCH those two subsets
overlap!
slate
I assume you meant Dunking-stool, but if you drop the 'ing' from what
YOU wrote, you may be closer to the truth.
>It's not sensible people of average-and-above intelligence would want
>any part of. So it's no wonder the RRR's leaders TARGET those who,
>through no fault of their own, were born with lower intellects. ONLY
>people having the level of gullibility that could be consistent with that
>would be susceptible to being CONNED by the cult's propaganda, dis-
>information, and ludicrous semantic word-games. Coincidentally (or not),
>5% of the population has IQs of 70 and lower... and 5% of the popula-
>tion comprises the RRR Cult in the USA. We may never see a good test
>for it -- but I would LOVE to know just HOW MUCH those two subsets
>overlap!
I'd really be interested to view that information if it was known to
be accurate. What the hell, I'll pay for the Billboard for three
months if your quoted IQ percentage correlates with them.
I would also rest easier, if I knew the cause of their affliction.
Slate
pawa...@yahoo.com
> On 28 Oct 2008 14:37:47 GMT, The Chief Instigator <patr...@io.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> >On Tue, 28 Oct 2008 08:43:40 -0500, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
> >> On Mon, 27 Oct 2008 11:58:25 GMT, "(¯`·.¸Craig Chilton¸.·´¯) •• NO FACTS
> >> Support RRR Cult's Loathsome Agendas! •• " <xanadu2...@mchsi.com> wrote:
>
> >>>>>> Americans United Threatens the Tax Exemption of the
> >>>>>> U.S. Catholic Church.
> >>>>> Great!! Good show!! ALL churches should have to pay taxes!
> >>>> Then we can preach from the pulpit. Say goodbye to abortion.
>
> >>> Abortion's merely a valuable REMEDY. Just as aspirin is.
> >>>Not the LEAST BIT a "moral" issue.
>
> >> It's a mortal sin punishable by an eternity in hell.
>
> >>> So the more that RRR-Cult infested "prechers" yowl about it,
> >>>the MORE they will be LAUGHED at. Works for me! ROTFL!!
>
> >> satan smiles at you - fresh meat.
>
> >>> So let's TAX the daylights out of those hatemongers. Make 'em
> >>>PAY, right along with everyone else.
>
> >> Then the Church can politic galore from the pulpit.
>
> >> Say goodbye to abortion.
>
> >Say goodbye to your two-millenia-old fraud of a church, Earl.
>
> Protected by the US Constitution,
Churches "go out of business" all the time and there's no requirement
in the USC to keep it from happening.
> and is the largest Christian Church worldwide.
And, is seeing it's largest loss of members in years.
Maybe the members aren't real fond of all the lies and perversion that
have stunk up the joint.
>
> The Dukester, American-American
> *****
> "The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
> Pope Paul VI
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(¯`·.¸Craig Chilton¸.·´¯) •• NO FACTS Support RRR Cult's Loathsome Agendas! ••
>>>>>>>> Say goodbye to abortion.
LOL!!! (And actually, the device has been called BOTH "ducking" and
"dunking." I think the former is the more commonly-used term. "Ducking
stool" yields 10,700 hits on Google, and "dunking stool" only 411.)
>> It's not sensible people of average-and-above intelligence would want
>> any part of. So it's no wonder the RRR's leaders TARGET those who,
>> through no fault of their own, were born with lower intellects. ONLY
>> people having the level of gullibility that could be consistent with that
>> would be susceptible to being CONNED by the cult's propaganda, dis-
>> information, and ludicrous semantic word-games. Coincidentally (or not),
>> 5% of the population has IQs of 70 and lower... and 5% of the popula-
>> tion comprises the RRR Cult in the USA. We may never see a good test
>> for it -- but I would LOVE to know just HOW MUCH those two subsets
>> overlap!
> I'd really be interested to view that information if it was known to
> be accurate. What the hell, I'll pay for the Billboard for three
> months if your quoted IQ percentage correlates with them.
> I would also rest easier, if I knew the cause of their affliction.
The root *affliction*, of course, would be the factor that ENABLED
the infestation by the bigotry of the RRR Cult to take hold. Causing
the gullibility that can accompany low intellect, due to those folks being
unable to *integrate data* and weigh the pros and cons as effectively
as folks having average and above IQs can.
That FACTOR would be the lower IQ that they were born with, and
unless a pathology were involved, they would be normal occurrences at
the low end of a "normal" (i.e., unskewed) bell curve. JUST as 2% of
the population qualifies for Mensa by having IQs at and above 98%,
there are just as many people (2%) that have IQs that are 62 and
below. Determining the cause of THAT would REALLY be intriguing! At
this juncture, I'd be amazed if that's ever discovered. But if it WERE
to be discovered, and then corrected, so that ALL people were able to
be born with IQs ranging between, say, 130 and 200 -- THAT could be
WONDROUS! It would almost certainly spell the EXTINCTION of all
bigotry, worldwide. Because intelligence and bigotry don't mix.
As for the bigotry, intolerance, hatefulness, and irrationality that
AFFLICTS the RRR Cultists -- think of the constant stream of a hate-
propaganda and disinformation that is spewed in a constant stream
by the leadership level of the RRR... as we would think of steadily
being sprayed in the face by a person having a cold sneezing at us.
Assuming that we didn't have a good enough immune system, we not
only would we CATCH the cold... but we would *never* get OVER
the cold! In the case of the RRR Cult's lemmings, the "immune system"
that would be inadequate to fend off the propaganda would be low-
level intelligence.
(¯`·.¸Craig Chilton¸.·´¯) •• NO FACTS Support RRR Cult's Loathsome Agendas! ••
"Non scrivetemi" <nonscr...@pboxmix.winstonsmith.info> spewed...
...nothing but hateful bigotry. NOTHING factual or sensible.
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MORONICALLY posting under ANOTHER Sockpuppet,
Fritz Wuehler <fr...@spamexpire-200811.rodent.frell.theremailer.net>.
a.k.a. "Non scrivetemi" <nonscr...@pboxmix.winstonsmith.info> spewed...
...nothing but hateful bigotry. NOTHING factual or sensible. As usual.
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On Fri, 31 Oct 2008 15:28:48 -0400,
slate
I learn something new everyday, just as it should be! I also found yet
another name for it... 'cucking-stool'. They have an authentic
specimen on display as well. > http://dellstorturemuseum.com/
If you like, also: > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cucking_stool
That's true, they don't mix. Oil and water. I see a problem with
everyone having a 130-200 IQ though. If we all had that level of
intelligence, we would then have no people willing to work the
food service jobs, sanitation, the pizza delivery guy... the list is
endless.
On the other hand, what do you think the outcome of an 'authentic'
Alain visitation to our planet would do to the mind-set of the RR?
Do you feel it would have a beneficial effect, or do you think it
would whip them into an even wilder frenzy?
> As for the bigotry, intolerance, hatefulness, and irrationality that
>AFFLICTS the RRR Cultists -- think of the constant stream of a hate-
>propaganda and disinformation that is spewed in a constant stream
>by the leadership level of the RRR... as we would think of steadily
>being sprayed in the face by a person having a cold sneezing at us.
>Assuming that we didn't have a good enough immune system, we not
>only would we CATCH the cold... but we would *never* get OVER
>the cold! In the case of the RRR Cult's lemmings, the "immune system"
>that would be inadequate to fend off the propaganda would be low-
>level intelligence.
When people are filled with so much hate and bigotry that is contently
reinforced, they will never come close to realizing their full
potential as human beings. [imo]
Slate
(¯`·.¸Craig Chilton¸.·´¯) •• NO FACTS Support RRR Cult's Loathsome Agendas! ••
slate <slate19...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> (¯`·.¸Craig Chilton¸.·´¯) •• NO FACTS Support the RRR Cult's
>>>>>>>>>> Say goodbye to abortion.
I like the way the latter write-up makes reference to a quote
pertaining to the hypocrisy of those who employed it:
"Now, if one cucking-stool was for each scold,
Some towns, I fear, would not their numbers hold."
Ah... but with THAT number of people having high IQs, society
would probably improvise better and better ways of AUTOMATING
a lot of those tasks.
> On the other hand, what do you think the outcome of an 'authentic'
> Alain visitation to our planet would do to the mind-set of the RR?
I would LOVE to see that happen in my lifetime. It would DEVASTATE
the RRR Cult. ESPECIALLY if the aliens turned out to be vastly superior
in ALL ways to humans... rather than only technologically.
> Do you feel it would have a beneficial effect, or do you think it
> would whip them into an even wilder frenzy?
I think it would be SO demoralizing to them that they'd give up and
fade away almost overnight. And then, good riddance to their foul and
hateful agendas!
>> As for the bigotry, intolerance, hatefulness, and irrationality that
>> AFFLICTS the RRR Cultists -- think of the constant stream of a hate-
>> propaganda and disinformation that is spewed in a constant stream
>> by the leadership level of the RRR... as we would think of steadily
>> being sprayed in the face by a person having a cold sneezing at us.
>> Assuming that we didn't have a good enough immune system, we not
>> only would we CATCH the cold... but we would *never* get OVER
>> the cold! In the case of the RRR Cult's lemmings, the "immune system"
>> that would be inadequate to fend off the propaganda would be low-
>> level intelligence.
> When people are filled with so much hate and bigotry that is contently
> reinforced, they will never come close to realizing their full potential as
> human beings. [imo]
IMO, *your* opinion is spot on!!
slate
FACTS Support RRR Cult's Loathsome Agendas! •• "
<xanad...@mchsi.com> wrote:
I read that too. Throughout history, any people that are ruled by
religious intolerance have always suffered. Freedom of and from
religion is a lofty goal, and needs constant vigilance or it will be
lost. The complacency of the populace of any country, threatens
their religious freedom. The very same freedom paid for with the
blood of others that came before them.
I also considered this, but in the meantime, who is going to pick
up the trash or make my Cinnamon Dolce Latte? <g>
>> On the other hand, what do you think the outcome of an 'authentic'
>> Alain visitation to our planet would do to the mind-set of the RR?
>
> I would LOVE to see that happen in my lifetime. It would DEVASTATE
>the RRR Cult. ESPECIALLY if the aliens turned out to be vastly superior
>in ALL ways to humans... rather than only technologically.
I would think a very high degree of intelligence would be a
prerequisite to create the technology to get here in the first place.
I'm sure they would be perceived as God-like by many. Perhaps they
were the catalyst for all of the gods, past and present. Perhaps not.
I'd love to know the answer.
>> Do you feel it would have a beneficial effect, or do you think it
>> would whip them into an even wilder frenzy?
>
> I think it would be SO demoralizing to them that they'd give up and
>fade away almost overnight. And then, good riddance to their foul and
>hateful agendas!
Where the hell is 'ET' when you need him!?
>>> As for the bigotry, intolerance, hatefulness, and irrationality that
>>> AFFLICTS the RRR Cultists -- think of the constant stream of a hate-
>>> propaganda and disinformation that is spewed in a constant stream
>>> by the leadership level of the RRR... as we would think of steadily
>>> being sprayed in the face by a person having a cold sneezing at us.
>>> Assuming that we didn't have a good enough immune system, we not
>>> only would we CATCH the cold... but we would *never* get OVER
>>> the cold! In the case of the RRR Cult's lemmings, the "immune system"
>>> that would be inadequate to fend off the propaganda would be low-
>>> level intelligence.
>
>> When people are filled with so much hate and bigotry that is constantly
>> reinforced, they will never come close to realizing their full potential as
>> human beings. [imo]
>
> IMO, *your* opinion is spot on!!
Great! We agree. Now what? I've given this problem much thought
over the years, and have always reached the same conclusion. It's
impossible to compromise with someone unwilling or unable to reason.
Slate
(¯`·.¸Craig Chilton¸.·´¯) •• NO FACTS Support RRR Cult's Loathsome Agendas! ••
slate <slate19...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> (¯`·.¸Craig Chilton¸.·´¯) •• NO FACTS Support RRR Cult's
>>>>>>>>>>>> Say goodbye to abortion.
And we are at a real crossroads in THIS election. If McCain wins, the
U.S. Supreme Court will almost SURELG be turned pro-theocratic. And
if Obama wins, we either buy more time to avoid that horrendous scenario,
or we escape it -- depending upon how many people he's able to appoint.
Perhaps that enhanced-intelligence population would have to
diversify their activities to INCLUDE some of those tasks temporarily...
possibly on a rotating basis. They SHOULD be smart enough to
work out the details on that.
>>> On the other hand, what do you think the outcome of an 'authentic'
>>> Alain visitation to our planet would do to the mind-set of the RR?
>> I would LOVE to see that happen in my lifetime. It would DEVASTATE
>> the RRR Cult. ESPECIALLY if the aliens turned out to be vastly superior
>> in ALL ways to humans... rather than only technologically.
> I would think a very high degree of intelligence would be a
> prerequisite to create the technology to get here in the first place.
That -- OR people like us whose civilizations were hundreds of
thousands of years older. Look at what we've accomplished just
since 1908.
> I'm sure they would be perceived as God-like by many. Perhaps they
> were the catalyst for all of the gods, past and present. Perhaps not.
> I'd love to know the answer.
Me too!!
>>> Do you feel it would have a beneficial effect, or do you think it
>>> would whip them into an even wilder frenzy?
>> I think it would be SO demoralizing to them that they'd give up and
>>fade away almost overnight. And then, good riddance to their foul and
>>hateful agendas!
> Where the hell is 'ET' when you need him!?
Dawdling, unfortunately. Maybe they have a "Star Trek"-like
"prime directive." If so, we might be waiting for thousands more
years.
>>>> As for the bigotry, intolerance, hatefulness, and irrationality that
>>>> AFFLICTS the RRR Cultists -- think of the constant stream of a hate-
>>>> propaganda and disinformation that is spewed in a constant stream
>>>> by the leadership level of the RRR... as we would think of steadily
>>>> being sprayed in the face by a person having a cold sneezing at us.
>>>> Assuming that we didn't have a good enough immune system, we not
>>>> only would we CATCH the cold... but we would *never* get OVER
>>>> the cold! In the case of the RRR Cult's lemmings, the "immune system"
>>>> that would be inadequate to fend off the propaganda would be low-
>>>> level intelligence.
>>> When people are filled with so much hate and bigotry that is constantly
>>> reinforced, they will never come close to realizing their full potential as
>>> human beings. [imo]
>> IMO, *your* opinion is spot on!!
> Great! We agree. Now what? I've given this problem much thought
> over the years, and have always reached the same conclusion. It's
> impossible to compromise with someone unwilling or unable to reason.
True. So while my opponents probably THINK my debates with them
are to change their minds, i know better. The vast majority of them are
ignorant and brainwashed DOLTS. So the *actual* PURPOSE of my posts
to them is to shine a really bright, FACT-laden spotlight on their ignorant
and hateful agendas, to help accelerate the process of relegating those
agendas to laughingstock status in the eyes of the fence-sitters who read
these threads. As you can see from my SIG, below, ALL forms of bigotry
are TRANSIENT, and society OUTGROWS them, one after another.
Sooner or later, hopefully, ALL forms of bigotry will have been
relegated to permanent extinction.
EDUCATION is the KEY!
~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*
TIME **CURES** BIGOTRY!
And *that* is EXTINCTION.
-- (¯`·.¸Craig Chilton¸.·´¯)
rangotang
money they need to pay off the victims of pedophile priests?? They'd
probably have to scrape some of the gold off their ornaments or
something.
Seriously, the vast majority of churches and other houses of worship
in the US are not turning any sort of profit and therefore wouldn't
have to pay taxes even without a specific tax exemption. But some of
the mega-churches and putative religious organizations (and not just
Roman Catholic) are running businesses - including restaurants and
bowling alleys and sometimes even political campaigns - that put them
in direct competition with small businesses that do pay taxes.