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J  
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 More options Sep 23 2012, 11:26 pm
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From: J <jdyou...@ymail.com>
Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2012 20:26:37 -0700
Local: Sun, Sep 23 2012 11:26 pm
Subject: World Congress of Families VI Madrid Declaration

"The natural family, not the individual, is the fundamental unit of
society."

"The natural family is a fixed aspect of the created order, one
ingrained in human nature. The natural family cannot change into some
new shape; nor can it be re-defined by eager social engineers."

"The natural family is the ideal, optimal, true family system. While we
acknowledge varied living situations, all other 'family forms' are
incomplete or are mere fabrications of the state."

"Each newly conceived person holds rights to live, to grow, to be born,
and to share a home with its natural parents bound by marriage.
Abortion, euthanasia and all forms of manipulating human beings in their
embryonic or fetal state are therefore attacks on human life."

"Human aging and depopulation are the true demographic dangers facing
the earth in this new century. Our societies need more people, not fewer."

"The natural family is the main source of social and economic prosperity
and the main pillar on which to achieve the overcoming of the current
world economic crisis."

"The complementarity of the sexes is a source of strength. Men and women
exhibit profound biological and psychological differences. When united
in marriage, though, the whole becomes greater then the sum of the
parts." Parents have "a right to educate their children for their good
with no interference from the state."

"Every human being is entitled to religious freedom and that the
political community must respect the freedom to profess one's faith, to
hand it on, and to raise one's children in it."

"Lasting solutions to human problems, including the current economic
crisis, rise out of families and small communities. They cannot be
imposed by bureaucratic and judicial fiat. Nor can they be coerced by
outside force.

--
J Young
jdyou...@ymail.com

http://www.americandecency.org/


 
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From: r...@somis.org (•R.Measures)
Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2012 21:00:34 -0700
Local: Mon, Sep 24 2012 12:00 am
Subject: Re: World Congress of Families VI Madrid Declaration

***  Cannibals have religious rights that must be respected?

 
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 More options Sep 24 2012, 5:47 am
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From: "W.T.S." <m...@earthlink.net>
Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2012 04:45:10 -0500
Local: Mon, Sep 24 2012 5:45 am
Subject: Re: World Congress of Families VI Madrid Declaration
In article <5vl9ej.2dh.1...@news.alt.net>, Jerk-L...@Lies.com says...

The usual lying, Catholic bull shit has been snipped in the interest of
common decency, _except_ for the one statement below which just about
sums up how the Catholic Church is a threat to the continued survival of
the human species:

> "Human aging and depopulation are the true demographic dangers facing
> the earth in this new century. Our societies need more people, not fewer."

Seven billion people and increasing daily!  Food and fresh water
supplies are scratched to the absolute limit.  The threat of a global
epidemic grows stronger each and every year.  Resources are shrinking,
pollution increasing, the world economic system is in shambles.  
Political stability is decreasing, often spurred by population
increases, unemployment is higher and higher every day.
<shout> AND ACCORDING TO THE CATHOLIC CHURCH< WE NEED MORE AND MORE
PEOPLE! </shout>

For the actual truth, follow the links below:  


Abortion and sterilization, they save the lives, health and futures of
women and men alike!

http://www.rhrealitycheck.org/print/14481

http://www.jennyjerrome.org/

http://tinyurl.com/c4thugl

http://tinyurl.com/3j3fkch

http://www.egalitarian.biz/Plan-B--Remedy-of-a-Lifetime.html

http://www.thelizlibrary.org/liz/004.htm

Breed like rabbits, live like pigs, die like rats!

Modern Christian: Someone who can take time out from
complaining about "welfare mothers popping out babies we
have to feed" to complain about welfare mothers getting
abortions that PREVENT more babies to be raised at public
expense.

http://www.imnotsorry.net

http://img.gawkerassets.com/img/17gbnyv0yzhevjpg/original.jpg

http://tinyurl.com/7q2ft38

http://tinyurl.com/7hk9gk8

http://tinyurl.com/ybmwsk4

 
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From: duke <duckgumb...@cox.net>
Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2012 05:59:49 -0500
Local: Mon, Sep 24 2012 6:59 am
Subject: Re: World Congress of Families VI Madrid Declaration

Buckwheat thinks that way.

The dukester, American - American
********************************************
A vote for obama is a vote for the end of
democracy in America as we know it. Let the
rolling thunder guide your decision at the
ballot box to put an end to Imperial Obama.
May God bless America.
********************************************


 
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From: r...@somis.org ( R.Measures)
Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2012 08:32:10 -0700
Local: Mon, Sep 24 2012 11:32 am
Subject: Re: World Congress of Families VI Madrid Declaration
In article <f8f068tgec0s3b7ijjljj95as433csn...@4ax.com>, duke

***  "In taste there is no dispute."

 
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From: "Syd M." <pauldavidwri...@yahoo.com>
Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2012 09:40:37 -0700 (PDT)
Local: Mon, Sep 24 2012 12:40 pm
Subject: Re: World Congress of Families VI Madrid Declaration
On Sep 23, 11:26 pm, J <jdyou...@ymail.com> wrote:

> "The natural family, not the individual, is the fundamental unit of
> society."

No.
What is the 'natural family', IBen?
Is it that boring old 'one woman, one man' shit?

 
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From: "Syd M." <pauldavidwri...@yahoo.com>
Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2012 09:41:26 -0700 (PDT)
Local: Mon, Sep 24 2012 12:41 pm
Subject: Re: World Congress of Families VI Madrid Declaration
On Sep 24, 6:59 am, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:

But since your a lying bigot who calls the President racists names, we
can ignore your opinion without hesitation.

 
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 More options Sep 24 2012, 1:50 pm
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From: irobbr...@verizon.net
Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2012 10:50:05 -0700 (PDT)
Local: Mon, Sep 24 2012 1:50 pm
Subject: Re: World Congress of Families VI Madrid Declaration
On Sep 23, 11:26 pm, J <jdyou...@ymail.com> wrote:

> "The natural family, not the individual, is the fundamental unit of
> society."

> "The natural family is a fixed aspect of the created order, one
> ingrained in human nature. The natural family cannot change into some
> new shape; nor can it be re-defined by eager social engineers."
 --
> J Young
> jdyou...@ymail.com

> http://www.americandecency.org/

Would that be anything like the "natural family" Solomon is alleged to
have had? You know the one, 700 wives? Like that family?
Rob B

 
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 More options Sep 24 2012, 3:46 pm
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From: Alan Ferris <hairy.fer...@yahoo.co.uk>
Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2012 20:46:06 +0100
Local: Mon, Sep 24 2012 3:46 pm
Subject: Re: World Congress of Families VI Madrid Declaration

On Sun, 23 Sep 2012 20:26:37 -0700, J <jdyou...@ymail.com> wrote:
>Every human being is entitled to religious freedom

which means not having any religion forced on him

practice your beliefs in private, leave the rest alone

even Jesus taught that
--
Ferrit

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From: r...@somis.org (•R.Measures)
Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2012 14:03:47 -0700
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Subject: Re: World Congress of Families VI Madrid Declaration
In article
<8cb37d85-13aa-477e-8ee8-156e8415e...@e18g2000yqo.googlegroups.com>, "Syd

***  Duke's rage is over the top.

 
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From: Paul Duca <paul.du...@gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2012 15:35:06 -0700 (PDT)
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Subject: Re: World Congress of Families VI Madrid Declaration
On Sep 24, 6:59 am, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:


 
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 More options Sep 26 2012, 9:29 am
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From: gaze...@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack)
Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2012 13:29:19 +0000 (UTC)
Local: Wed, Sep 26 2012 9:29 am
Subject: Re: World Congress of Families VI Madrid Declaration
In article <k2e168tc6r3cmmp8c85b8b1id3mie07...@4ax.com>,
Alan Ferris  <hairy.fer...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

>On Sun, 23 Sep 2012 20:26:37 -0700, J <jdyou...@ymail.com> wrote:

>>Every human being is entitled to religious freedom

>which means not having any religion forced on him

>practice your beliefs in private, leave the rest alone

>even Jesus taught that

But no (successful) religion does that.

Every (successful) religion preaches to and tries desperately to convert
non-believers.  And quite rightly so, for the usual reason: If those other
people are going to hell, then anything you can do to save them from that
fate is justified.

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- hyphenated, but that would be fitting] Roy "News" LIEberman has posted
- at least 90 times, and almost every single post is about his obsessive
- knee-jerk loonball [wacko] gun politics. How much longer before the
- authorities [police] finally disable the trip wires and confiscate the
- arsenal in his St. Louie hovel?

So true.  So true.


 
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Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2012 08:54:07 -0500
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Subject: Re: World Congress of Families VI Madrid Declaration
On 9/26/2012 8:29 AM, Kenny McCormack wrote:

It's only right in their own deluded minds. Unfortunately for many
non-Christians, "anything you can do to save them" once included
torture and execution.

 
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From: gaze...@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack)
Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2012 14:52:01 +0000 (UTC)
Local: Wed, Sep 26 2012 10:52 am
Subject: Re: World Congress of Families VI Madrid Declaration
In article <k3v1ds$qd...@dont-email.me>, Dakota  <ma...@NOSPAMmail.com> wrote:

...

>> But no (successful) religion does that.

>> Every (successful) religion preaches to and tries desperately to convert
>> non-believers.  And quite rightly so, for the usual reason: If those other
>> people are going to hell, then anything you can do to save them from that
>> fate is justified.

>It's only right in their own deluded minds. Unfortunately for many
>non-Christians, "anything you can do to save them" once included
>torture and execution.

And quite rightly so - *if* the mumbo-jumbo is true.  Certainly anything you
can do to save their souls is clearly justified.  Surely, shortening (by
some small, insignificant amount) their time on Earth (by killing them) is
irrelevant compared to the gain of eternity.

Of course, the mumbo-jumbo is just that - nonsense - so all of this is
hypothetical...

--

> No, I haven't, that's why I'm asking questions. If you won't help me,
> why don't you just go find your lost manhood elsewhere.

CLC in a nutshell.

 
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From: repo...@scientology.org (Fred)
Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2012 19:25:37 GMT
Local: Wed, Sep 26 2012 3:25 pm
Subject: Re: World Congress of Families VI Madrid Declaration

gaze...@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) wrote:
>In article <k2e168tc6r3cmmp8c85b8b1id3mie07...@4ax.com>,
>Alan Ferris  <hairy.fer...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>>On Sun, 23 Sep 2012 20:26:37 -0700, J <jdyou...@ymail.com> wrote:
>>>Every human being is entitled to religious freedom
>>which means not having any religion forced on him
>>practice your beliefs in private, leave the rest alone
>>even Jesus taught that
>But no (successful) religion does that.

Pagani and Wicca do. But then Pagani and Wicca are superior religions
in all respects to the Christanic and Islamic death cults.

 
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From: gaze...@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack)
Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2012 23:21:37 +0000 (UTC)
Local: Wed, Sep 26 2012 7:21 pm
Subject: Re: World Congress of Families VI Madrid Declaration
In article <05udnX6AD6Yvy_7NnZ2dnUVZ_vSdn...@posted.sonicnet>,

Fred <repo...@scientology.org> wrote:
>gaze...@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) wrote:
>>In article <k2e168tc6r3cmmp8c85b8b1id3mie07...@4ax.com>,
>>Alan Ferris  <hairy.fer...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>>>On Sun, 23 Sep 2012 20:26:37 -0700, J <jdyou...@ymail.com> wrote:
>>>>Every human being is entitled to religious freedom
>>>which means not having any religion forced on him
>>>practice your beliefs in private, leave the rest alone
>>>even Jesus taught that
>>But no (successful) religion does that.

>Pagani and Wicca do. But then Pagani and Wicca are superior religions
>in all respects to the Christanic and Islamic death cults.

Absolutely true, of course.  But they are not nearly as (financially)
successful.

And, in the religion biz, it is really all about the Benjamins...

--
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all of Bush's messes are like people complaining that he couldn't cure cancer,
so they'll go and vote for cancer.


 
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From: Alan Ferris <hairy.fer...@yahoo.co.uk>
Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2012 17:32:29 +0100
Local: Fri, Sep 28 2012 12:32 pm
Subject: Re: World Congress of Families VI Madrid Declaration
On Wed, 26 Sep 2012 13:29:19 +0000 (UTC), gaze...@shell.xmission.com (Kenny

Really, even though their supposed god told them the exact opposite.  So are
they not condemning themselves to hell by ignoring his words and thinking they
know better?
--
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From: "Syd M." <pauldavidwri...@yahoo.com>
Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2012 09:40:37 -0700 (PDT)
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Subject: Re: World Congress of Families VI Madrid Declaration
On Sep 24, 5:03 pm, r...@somis.org (•R.Measures) wrote:

As is his impotence.

 
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From: gaze...@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack)
Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2012 16:49:41 +0000 (UTC)
Local: Fri, Sep 28 2012 12:49 pm
Subject: Re: World Congress of Families VI Madrid Declaration
In article <27kb685j14pkpdltaidgoihgemnkedd...@4ax.com>,
Alan Ferris  <hairy.fer...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
...

>>But no (successful) religion does that.

>>Every (successful) religion preaches to and tries desperately to convert
>>non-believers.  And quite rightly so, for the usual reason: If those other
>>people are going to hell, then anything you can do to save them from that
>>fate is justified.

>Really, even though their supposed god told them the exact opposite.  So are
>they not condemning themselves to hell by ignoring his words and thinking they
>know better?

Details, details.  There you go with your details again...

Of course, this is just one more demonstration of how modern successful
religions have nothing in common wth the teachings of their founders.

--
Given Bush and his insanely expensive wars (*), that we will be paying for
for generations to come, the only possible response a sensible person need
ever give, when a GOPer/TeaBagger says anything about "deficits", is a
polite snicker.

(*) Obvious money transfers between the taxpayers and Bush's moneyed
interests.  Someday, we'll actually figure out a way to have a war where the
money just gets moved around and nobody (on either side) gets injured or
killed.  That will be an accomplishment of which we will be justly proud.


 
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From: Alan Ferris <hairy.fer...@yahoo.co.uk>
Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2012 16:11:11 +0100
Local: Sat, Sep 29 2012 11:11 am
Subject: Re: World Congress of Families VI Madrid Declaration
On Fri, 28 Sep 2012 16:49:41 +0000 (UTC), gaze...@shell.xmission.com (Kenny

Sorry, I am bad.....

>Of course, this is just one more demonstration of how modern successful
>religions have nothing in common wth the teachings of their founders.

I must remember that a good and faithful person should not let facts stand in
the way of an organised hatred.
--
Ferrit

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