Upholding traditional marriage
Ray Fischer
TEXARKANA, Ark. (AP) - Tony Alamo, an evangelist, was
sentenced Friday to 175 years in prison for taking under-age girls
across state lines for sex.
Mr. Alamo, 75, was convicted in July on a 10-count federal
indictment. Judge Harry F. Barnes of Federal District Court said
Mr. Alamo had abused his status as father figure and pastor and
threatened the girls with "the loss of their salvation."
"Mr. Alamo, one day you will face a higher, a greater judge
than me," Judge Barnes said. "May he have mercy on your
soul."
The evangelist offered a brief statement to the court praising
God, then adding, I'm glad I'm me and not the deceived people
in the world."
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/11/14/us/14alamo.html
And if you want to see what other "good Christians" have to say...
http://www.alamoministries.com/content/english/index.html
--
Ray Fischer
rfis...@sonic.net
IAAH
The crazy is strong with that one.
--
"I do not pretend to be able to prove that there
is no God. I equally cannot
prove that Satan is a fiction. The Christian god
may exist; so may the gods of
Olympus, or of ancient Egypt, or of Babylon. But
no one of these hypotheses is
more probable than any other: they lie outside the
region of even probable
knowledge, and therefore there is no reason to
consider any of them."
Bertrand Russell
Truth Galore
> Another good Christian,
Good Christian? Hmmmm ... we're getting our definitions of "good"
from different sources.
J
"Ray Fischer" <rfis...@sonic.net> wrote in message
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What does this one 'dirty old man' have to do with traditional marriage? Are
you suggesting that if the preacher was in a gay marriage, this whole
episode would have been avoided?
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Ray Fischer
>
>"Ray Fischer" <rfis...@sonic.net> wrote in message
>news:4aff19b3$0$1650$742e...@news.sonic.net...
>> Another good Christian, "persecuted" by the "deceived people in the
>> world."
>>
>> TEXARKANA, Ark. (AP) - Tony Alamo, an evangelist, was
>> sentenced Friday to 175 years in prison for taking under-age girls
>> across state lines for sex.
>>
>> Mr. Alamo, 75, was convicted in July on a 10-count federal
>> indictment. Judge Harry F. Barnes of Federal District Court said
>> Mr. Alamo had abused his status as father figure and pastor and
>> threatened the girls with "the loss of their salvation."
>>
>> "Mr. Alamo, one day you will face a higher, a greater judge
>> than me," Judge Barnes said. "May he have mercy on your
>> soul."
>>
>> The evangelist offered a brief statement to the court praising
>> God, then adding, I'm glad I'm me and not the deceived people
>> in the world."
>> http://www.nytimes.com/2009/11/14/us/14alamo.html
>>
>> And if you want to see what other "good Christians" have to say...
>> http://www.alamoministries.com/content/english/index.html
>
He didn't try to marry a man. He "married" girls.
According to you that makes him okay.
Just like your priests.
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Ray Fischer
rfis...@sonic.net
duke
TA was the opposite of a good Christian. He was acting directly opposed to a
Christian, which is an atheist.
The Dukester, American-American
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
*****
duke
wrote:
And especially the word "Christian".
Kenny McCormack
duke <duckg...@cox.net> wrote:
...
>TA was the opposite of a good Christian. He was acting directly opposed to a
>Christian, which is an atheist.
NTS writ large...
Mark Sebree
> On 14 Nov 2009 20:57:23 GMT, rfisc...@sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> >Another good Christian, "persecuted" by the "deceived people in the world."
>
> > TEXARKANA, Ark. (AP) - Tony Alamo, an evangelist, was
> > sentenced Friday to 175 years in prison for taking under-age girls
> > across state lines for sex.
>
> > Mr. Alamo, 75, was convicted in July on a 10-count federal
> > indictment. Judge Harry F. Barnes of Federal District Court said
> > Mr. Alamo had abused his status as father figure and pastor and
> > threatened the girls with "the loss of their salvation."
>
> > "Mr. Alamo, one day you will face a higher, a greater judge
> > than me," Judge Barnes said. "May he have mercy on your
> > soul."
>
> > The evangelist offered a brief statement to the court praising
> > God, then adding, I'm glad I'm me and not the deceived people
> > in the world."
> > http://www.nytimes.com/2009/11/14/us/14alamo.html
>
> >And if you want to see what other "good Christians" have to say...
> >http://www.alamoministries.com/content/english/index.html
>
> TA was the opposite of a good Christian. He was acting directly opposed to a
> Christian, which is an atheist.
Directly opposing a Christian does not make one an atheist. It simply
means that one has a differing opinion. After all, a Christian can
easily directly oppose another Christian, and neither person is an
atheist. A Buddhist can directly oppose a Christian, and neither of
them are an atheist. A Wiccan can directly oppose a Christian, and
neither of them are an atheist.
The FACT is that an atheist is someone who does not believe in any
deity from any religion. Its opposite is a theist, which is someone
that follows one or more deities from a religion or belief system.
You do not get to determine who is and is not a Christian or an
atheist, only the person who's beliefs are being discussed can make
that determination. And your opinion about his or her beliefs are
overruled by that person's opinions and actual beliefs.
Mark Sebree
>
> Duke
The Chief Instigator
> On Sat, 14 Nov 2009 14:16:51 -0800 (PST), Truth Galore <truth...@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
>>> Another good Christian,
>>
>>Good Christian? Hmmmm ... we're getting our definitions of "good"
>>from different sources.
>
> And especially the word "Christian".
...which you've spared no effort to denigrate 24/7/365.2422.
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Ray Fischer
> Truth Galore <truth...@yahoo.com>
>>On Nov 14, 3:57�pm, rfisc...@sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote:
>>> Another good Christian,
>>
>>Good Christian? Hmmmm ... we're getting our definitions of "good"
>>from different sources.
>
>And especially the word "Christian".
Not if you're an example of a christian.
--
Ray Fischer
rfis...@sonic.net
Ray Fischer
>On 14 Nov 2009 20:57:23 GMT, rfis...@sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote:
>
>>Another good Christian, "persecuted" by the "deceived people in the world."
>>
>> TEXARKANA, Ark. (AP) - Tony Alamo, an evangelist, was
>> sentenced Friday to 175 years in prison for taking under-age girls
>> across state lines for sex.
>>
>> Mr. Alamo, 75, was convicted in July on a 10-count federal
>> indictment. Judge Harry F. Barnes of Federal District Court said
>> Mr. Alamo had abused his status as father figure and pastor and
>> threatened the girls with "the loss of their salvation."
>>
>> "Mr. Alamo, one day you will face a higher, a greater judge
>> than me," Judge Barnes said. "May he have mercy on your
>> soul."
>>
>> The evangelist offered a brief statement to the court praising
>> God, then adding, I'm glad I'm me and not the deceived people
>> in the world."
>> http://www.nytimes.com/2009/11/14/us/14alamo.html
>>
>>And if you want to see what other "good Christians" have to say...
>>http://www.alamoministries.com/content/english/index.html
>
>TA was the opposite of a good Christian.
So are you.
> He was acting directly opposed to a
>Christian, which is an atheist.
Just like you.
--
Ray Fischer
rfis...@sonic.net
�R.L.Measures
� I see the term "good Christian" as somewhat oxymoronic since Christians
believe that the precious salvic blood of Jesus absolutely, positively,
for damn sure washes away all sin - thereby giving them a virtual blank
cheque from God in that realm.
--
R.L. Measures. 805-386-3734, www.somis.org
duke
wrote:
>> TA was the opposite of a good Christian. �He was acting directly opposed to a
>> Christian, which is an atheist.
>Directly opposing a Christian does not make one an atheist.
Directly opposed.
duke
No, the confessional does that, if repentance is present.
�R.L.Measures
<duckg...@cox.net> wrote:
> by
� the RC Confessional was invented in 1215 Pope Innocent III, the dude
who genocided 100,000 in S. France.
duke
RC confession was invented by Jesus on Easter Sunday, 33AD. It was once a
public ritual, and then eventually found it's way into the privacy of a
confessional.
�R.L.Measures
<duckg...@cox.net> wrote:
� Secular history says otherwise.
It was once a
> public ritual, and then eventually found it's way into the privacy of a
> confessional.
>
> The Dukester, American-American
> *****
> "The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
> Pope Paul VI
> *****
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Mark Sebree
> On Sun, 15 Nov 2009 08:31:49 -0800 (PST), Mark Sebree <seb...@infionline.net>
> wrote:
>
> > > TA was the opposite of a good Christian. He was acting directly opposed to a
> > > Christian, which is an atheist.
> > easily directly oppose another Christian, and neither person is an
> > atheist. A Buddhist can directly oppose a Christian, and neither of
> > them are an atheist. A Wiccan can directly oppose a Christian, and
> > neither of them are an atheist.
>
Sorry, but you are still showing your ignorance. It is the person's
beliefs that define if he is an atheist, not his actions. And there
is no real opposite to a Christian since it is a belief system.
Since the accused is an evangelist, he professes to be a Christian,
and thus he is considered to be a Christian. Your declaration does
not make him an atheist because his beliefs have not changed. All it
does is show your ignorance and delusions.
Mark Sebree
>
> Duke
The Chief Instigator
> On Sun, 15 Nov 2009 08:31:49 -0800 (PST), Mark Sebree <seb...@infionline.net>
> wrote:
>
>>> Christian, which is an atheist.
>
>>Directly opposing a Christian does not make one an atheist.
>
> Directly opposed.
You're directly opposed to anything not associated with your demonstrated
obsession.
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duke
wrote:
>On Nov 16, 7:40�am, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
>> On Sun, 15 Nov 2009 08:31:49 -0800 (PST), Mark Sebree <seb...@infionline.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>> > > TA was the opposite of a good Christian. �He was acting directly opposed to a
>> > > Christian, which is an atheist.
>> > Directly opposing a Christian does not make one an atheist. After all, a Christian can
>> > easily directly oppose another Christian, and neither person is an
>> > atheist. A Buddhist can directly oppose a Christian, and neither of
>> > them are an atheist. A Wiccan can directly oppose a Christian, and
>> > neither of them are an atheist.
>>
>> Directly opposed.
>
>Sorry, but you are still showing your ignorance. It is the person's
>beliefs that define if he is an atheist, not his actions. And there
>is no real opposite to a Christian since it is a belief system.
Ah, the simpleton mind of sebreeze, the blowhard, at work. It's the person's
beliefs which drive his actions that makes him a man of God.
duke
>On Mon, 16 Nov 2009 06:40:08 -0600, duke <duckg...@cox.net> wrote:
>> On Sun, 15 Nov 2009 08:31:49 -0800 (PST), Mark Sebree <seb...@infionline.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>> TA was the opposite of a good Christian. ?He was acting directly opposed to a
>>>> Christian, which is an atheist.
>>
>>>Directly opposing a Christian does not make one an atheist.
>>
>> Directly opposed.
>
>You're directly opposed to anything not associated with your demonstrated
>obsession.
Why do you continue to waste your time, west loop. You make less sense every
day, but that's not surprising.
duke
�R.L.Measures
<duckg...@cox.net> wrote:
� Church history is clearly revised Earl. I predict that by 2100 the
altar boy scandal of Jan 2002 will have all butt (sic) vanished.
duke
For sure, all the priests that partook will be dead.
The Chief Instigator
> On 16 Nov 2009 23:00:31 GMT, The Chief Instigator <pat...@io.com> wrote:
>
>>On Mon, 16 Nov 2009 06:40:08 -0600, duke <duckg...@cox.net> wrote:
>>> On Sun, 15 Nov 2009 08:31:49 -0800 (PST), Mark Sebree <seb...@infionline.net>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>> TA was the opposite of a good Christian. ?He was acting directly opposed to a
>>>>> Christian, which is an atheist.
>>>
>>>>Directly opposing a Christian does not make one an atheist.
>>>
>>> Directly opposed.
>>
>>You're directly opposed to anything not associated with your demonstrated
>>obsession.
>
> Why do you continue to waste your time, west loop. You make less sense every
> day, but that's not surprising.
You're anything but surprising, Asshole Duke. Shove your churck back from
where you pulled it out and mind your own damned affairs, of which I and my
wife are not your concern.
Mark Sebree
> On Mon, 16 Nov 2009 14:08:37 -0800 (PST), Mark Sebree <seb...@infionline.net>
> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> >On Nov 16, 7:40 am, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
> >> On Sun, 15 Nov 2009 08:31:49 -0800 (PST), Mark Sebree <seb...@infionline.net>
> >> wrote:
>
> >> > > TA was the opposite of a good Christian. He was acting directly opposed to a
> >> > > Christian, which is an atheist.
> >> > Directly opposing a Christian does not make one an atheist. After all, a Christian can
> >> > easily directly oppose another Christian, and neither person is an
> >> > atheist. A Buddhist can directly oppose a Christian, and neither of
> >> > them are an atheist. A Wiccan can directly oppose a Christian, and
> >> > neither of them are an atheist.
>
> >> Directly opposed.
>
> >Sorry, but you are still showing your ignorance. It is the person's
> >beliefs that define if he is an atheist, not his actions. And there
> >is no real opposite to a Christian since it is a belief system.
> >
> > and thus he is considered to be a Christian. Your declaration does
> > not make him an atheist because his beliefs have not changed. All it
> > does is show your ignorance and delusions.
>
Interesting given that your epitaphs better describe you.
> It's the person's
> beliefs which drive his actions that makes him a man of God.
However, it is his beliefs that determine if he is Christian, a
Wiccan, A Buddhist, a Native American Shaman, or something else. If
HE states that he is a Christian, then he is a Christian. Your
declarations and desire to ignore the facts do not change that.
Mark Sebree
>
> Duke