The second-most facinating aspect of Bible prophecy is its utter
inerrancy, inexorability, and inevatability. If it's prophetic,
and it's in the Bible, then it either already has happened, or
it darned well will happen -- no if, ands, or buts.
Hey Craig!
The Bible says faggots are going to die and be sent to burn in
hell.
>> The second-most facinating aspect of Bible prophecy
>> is its utter inerrancy, inexorability, and inevatability.
>> If it's prophetic, and it's in the Bible, then it either
>> already has happened, or it darned well will happen
>> -- no if, ands, or buts.
>
> Hey Craig!
>
> The Bible says faggots are going to die and be sent
> to burn in hell.
And yet, Craig says there's nothing wrong with
homosexual acts. I get it. It's hypocrisy on
his part and I agree. It is. But that's Craig. :)
--
Pastor Dave
The following is part of my auto-rotating
sig file and not part of the message body.
"The face is the mirror of the mind and eyes without speaking
confess the secrets of the heart." -Saint Jerome
> The second-most facinating aspect of Bible prophecy is its utter
> inerrancy, inexorability, and inevatability. If it's prophetic, and it's
> in the Bible, then it either already has happened, or it darned well
> will happen -- no if, ands, or buts.
That's what Jonah thought when he said Ninevah would be nuked in forty
days. The people repented, God didn't do it, and Jonah was VERY
disappointed.
--
Teresita
http://hackylinux.blogspot.com/
They'll start off with a colostomy bag here on Earth
Homosexuality is a Diseased Lifestyle
http://british-nation.tripod.com/diseased.htm
Name one thing homosexuals do that heterosexuals don't also do.
Heh heh...
Rightard closet queers...
Batshit crazy and dogshit stupid, every single last one of you.
> On Dec 27, 9:29ᅵam, "CB" <C...@PrayForMe.com> wrote:
>> "leroy blue" <leroyb...@billon.net> wrote in message
>>
>> news:344687bcace969e7...@msgid.frell.theremailer.net...
>>
>>
>>
>>> http://www.egalitarian.biz/Preterism-Refuted.html
>>
>>> The second-most facinating aspect of Bible prophecy is its utter
>>> inerrancy, inexorability, and inevatability. If it's prophetic,
>>> and it's in the Bible, then it either already has happened, or
>>> it darned well will happen -- no if, ands, or buts.
>>
>>> Hey Craig!
>>
>>> The Bible says faggots are going to die and be sent to burn in
>>> hell.
>>
>> They'll start off with a colostomy bag here on Earth
>>
>> Homosexuality is a Diseased
>> Lifestylehttp://british-nation.tripod.com/diseased.htm
>
> Name one thing homosexuals do that heterosexuals don't also do.
1) Heterosexual men don't suck dicks, 2) Homosexual women don't suck dicks.
Shortened Life Span of Homosexuals
The greater incidence of physical and mental health problems among gays
and lesbians has serious consequences for length of life. While many
are aware of the death toll from AIDS, there has been little public
attention given to the magnitude of the lost years of life.
An epidemiological study from Vancouver, Canada of data tabulated
between 1987 and 1992 for AIDS-related deaths reveals that male
homosexual or bisexual practitioners lost up to 20 years of life
expectancy. The study concluded that if 3 percent of the population
studied were gay or bisexual, the probability of a 20-year-old gay or
bisexual man living to 65 years was only 32 percent, compared to 78
percent for men in general. The damaging effects of cigarette smoking
pale in comparison -cigarette smokers lose on average about 13.5 years
of life expectancy.
The impact on length of life may be even greater than reported in the
Canadian study. First, HIV/AIDS is underreported by as much as 15-20
percent, so it is likely that not all AIDS related deaths were accounted
for in the study. Second, there are additional major causes of death
related to gay sex. For example, suicide rates among a San Francisco
cohort were 3.4 times higher than the general U.S. male population in
1987. Other potentially fatal ailments such as syphilis, anal cancer,
and Hepatitis B and C also affect gay and bisexual men
disproportionately.
> The greater incidence of physical and mental health problems among gays
> and lesbians has serious consequences for length of life.
What physical and mental health problems for lesbians? Your article
talks about AIDS, what does that have to do with lesbians?
--
Teresita
http://hackylinux.blogspot.com/
Our right wing fundamentalist friends have once again beaten the
bushes looking for data they can distort and use to form ill advised
conclusions upon which to continue their argument for hatred and
prejudice against the homosexual community. Below is a comment by the
author of the study being referenced by this anonymous coward.
Robert S Hogg, Steffanie A Strathdee, Kevin JP Craib, Michael V
O'shaughnessy, Julio Montaner and Martin T Schechter
British Columbia Centre for Excellence in HIV/AIDS, St Paul's
Hospital, University of British Columbia, Vancouver Canada. E-mail:
bob...@hivnet.ubc.ca
Over the past few months we have learnt of a number of reports
regarding a paper we published in the International Journal of
Epidemiology on the gay and bisexual life expectancy in Vancouver in
the late 1980s and early 1990s. From these reports it appears that our
research is being used by select groups in US and Finland to suggest
that gay and bisexual men live an unhealthy lifestyle that is
destructive to themselves and to others. These homophobic groups
appear more interested in restricting the human rights of gay and
bisexuals rather than promoting their health and well being.
The aim of our research was never to spread more homophobia, but to
demonstrate to an international audience how the life expectancy of
gay and bisexual men can be estimated from limited vital statistics
data. In our paper, we demonstrated that in a major Canadian centre,
life expectancy at age 20 years for gay and bisexual men is 8 to 21
years less than for all men. If the same pattern of mortality
continued, we estimated that nearly half of gay and bisexual men
currently aged 20 years would not reach their 65th birthday. Under
even the most liberal assumptions, gay and bisexual men in this urban
centre were experiencing a life expectancy similar to that experienced
by men in Canada in the year 1871. In contrast, if we were to repeat
this analysis today the life expectancy of gay and bisexual men would
be greatly improved. Deaths from HIV infection have declined
dramatically in this population since 1996. As we have previously
reported there has been a threefold decrease in mortality in Vancouver
as well as in other parts of British Columbia.
It is essential to note that the life expectancy of any population is
a descriptive and not a prescriptive measure. Death is a product of
the way a person lives and what physical and environmental hazards he
or she faces everyday. It cannot be attributed solely to their sexual
orientation or any other ethnic or social factor. If estimates of an
individual gay and bisexual man's risk of death is truly needed for
legal or other purposes, then people making these estimates should use
the same actuarial tables that are used for all other males in that
population. Gay and bisexual men are included in the construction of
official population-based tables and therefore these tables for all
males are the appropriate ones to be used.
In summary, the aim of our work was to assist health planners with the
means of estimating the impact of HIV infection on groups, like gay
and bisexual men, not necessarily captured by vital statistics data
and not to hinder the rights of these groups worldwide. Overall, we do
not condone the use of our research in a manner that restricts the
political or human rights of gay and bisexual men or any other group.
> Shortened Life Span of Homosexuals
>
> The greater incidence of physical and mental health problems among gays
> and lesbians has serious consequences for length of life. While many
> are aware of the death toll from AIDS, there has been little public
> attention given to the magnitude of the lost years of life.
>
> An epidemiological study from Vancouver, Canada of data tabulated
> between 1987 and 1992 for AIDS-related deaths reveals that male
> homosexual or bisexual practitioners lost up to 20 years of life
> expectancy. The study concluded that if 3 percent of the population
> studied were gay or bisexual, the probability of a 20-year-old gay or
> bisexual man living to 65 years was only 32 percent, compared to 78
> percent for men in general. The damaging effects of cigarette smoking
> pale in comparison -cigarette smokers lose on average about 13.5 years
> of life expectancy.
>
> The impact on length of life may be even greater than reported in the
> Canadian study. First, HIV/AIDS is underreported by as much as 15-20
> percent, so it is likely that not all AIDS related deaths were accounted
> for in the study. Second, there are additional major causes of death
> related to gay sex. For example, suicide rates among a San Francisco
> cohort were 3.4 times higher than the general U.S. male population in
> 1987. Other potentially fatal ailments such as syphilis, anal cancer,
> and Hepatitis B and C also affect gay and bisexual men
> disproportionately.
>
>
It goes without saying that our fundamentalist friends have pulled out
all the stops in screwing around with scientific studies and the data
they present in order to twist them into presenting a false picture
upon which to base erroneous conclusions about homosexual men and
women. The great irony of all this is of course the fact these idiots
always will cite to data when it "supports" their cause but will
attack the same data mercilessly when it does not. Below is a
response to the current myth of gays living 20 years shorter lifespans
than straight men, responding to the assertions contained above where
these same fundamentalist fools misused a study to claim something it
was never supposed to support.
In 1997 a team from Vancouver, Canada, published a methodology for
estimating the impact of the HIV epidemic on the average life
expectancies of gay and bisexual men. The team used infection and
mortality data from Vancouver and for the period 1987 to 1992.
It had long been difficult for HIV/AIDS researchers to estimate, with
gratifying certainty, the impact of the disease on the general
population. The difficulties were compounded when estimating the
impact on the sub-group of gay and bisexual men because there was
little consensus on just how large this sub-group was.
For example, should figures be based on:
* the 2-3% of men who will be open open about their current
homosexual behaviour in a survey, or
* the larger group (4-6%) of men who will be open about having had
a same-sex relationship during the past 5 to 10 years, or
* the still larger again group of men that will -- at some time in
their life -- do so at least once?
Whatever figure is used, and whatever is not, has a considerable
impact on epidemiological models for the spread and containment of the
disease. This is because of an inherent multiplier effect whenever a
small minority is examined and when the base assumptions thereby vary
by a factor of -- in this case -- up to 4 or 5.
Attempting to simply side-step any debate about the size of the sub-
group of men that are gay/bisexual and yet still be able to provide
meaningful data; Hogg et al published a methodology that made the
estimations across a range. Readers were able to select their own
preferred size for the sub-group. For their purposes, the researchers
took figures of 3%, 6% and 9% as the proportion of men that could be
classified as gay or bisexual and used these to generate the reported
outcomes.
The outcomes reported in this paper have been seized upon by many anti-
gay political groups, and in turn quoted ad nauseum on many
occasions. The paper has been quoted for as varying reasons as
marriage legislation around same-sex couples, influencing sex
education in schools and providing reasoning behind ex-gay programs.
In general, a quote of "homosexuality cuts 20 years off your life" or
"homosexuality is more dangerous than smoking" is usually attributed
to this paper; particularly as the use of a parallel claim by the
virulently anti-gay (and disreputable) psychologist Paul Cameron has
been exposed as a fiction and fallen into disuse.
(As a general rule: when the term "20 years off your life" or similar
is used, the claimant is referring to this work by Hogg and his
colleagues. Use of words such as "the average age is only 42 years"
points to Paul Cameron. Hogg's paper was valid, although now clearly
out of date and sorely misused -- it requires a considered response.
Cameron's scurrilous work is without any merit, and needs only be
rejected out of hand.)
In the time since the data for Hogg's paper was collected a great deal
has changed around the demographics of the epidemic. For example,
Hogg assumed that 95% of HIV-related deaths were within the homosexual
sub-group; and this has both dramatically fallen over the past 15
years and/or was never applicable in the first instance for areas
outside Vancouver. Likewise, improved health management since the
mid-1990's has considerably extended the average lifespan of HIV-
positive individuals.
This resp[onse updates the work of Hogg and his colleagues using HIV/
AIDS infection data and mortality tables for the 2002/03 period. The
base data is for the entire United States, rather than just the the
city of Vancouver. We have also examined the impact on three racial
sub-groups of gay and bisexual men.
The following table presents both the figures given by Hogg et al in
their 1997 paper (using data from 1987-92) and the comparison figures
calculated using data from 2002-03. As can be seen, the latter
figures present a dramatic improvement in the average life expectancy
of gay and bisexual men when compared to the earlier estimation.
Loss in expectation of life due to HIV/AIDS based upon Gay/
bisexual males as a proportion of the adult male population :
Hogg et al (1994) Vancouver, 1987-92 Revised Figures for
United States 2002-2003
3% - 20.3
years 2.2 years
6% - 11.7
years 1.0 years
9% - 8.0
years 0.7
Using 5.2% as the proportion of adult men that are behaviourally
homosexual, as reported by Laumann et al (1994), the revised
calculations indicate a difference of 1.2 years -- some 14 months --
as the average loss of life expectation for gay and bisexual men when
compared to their heterosexual peers. This is the impact of sexually
acquired HIV.
Loss in expectation of life due to HIV/AIDS.
Gay/Bisexual men at 5.2% of the population.
All races 1.2 years
White 0.9 years
Black 7.7 years
Hispanic 1.9 years Figures calculated from 2002/03 data.
However, as is obvious, the spread of HIV is uneven among gay and
bisexual men; just as it is in the overall male population. In
particular, black Americans have substantially worse outcomes both in
terms of infection rates to begin with and in access to health care
after infection.
At only 12% of the adult male population, black Americans now comprise
half of all new infections. Half of these are heterosexually
transmitted, or as a result of sharing needles during injecting drug
use; but infection rates by male-to-male sexual contact are some 4 to
5 times higher among black gay men when compared to white gay men.
Overall, the infection rate is 7 times higher for black males than for
their white peers. (The difference in rates are even higher between
white and black women).
Having taken the higher risk of infection into account, black
Americans -- both gay and straight -- are further disadvantaged in
life expectancy through having lower average access to medical care
that can prolong life. Looking at a range of 3% to 6% of black men as
gay or bisexual -- a range that can be considered to cover those who
are more than incidentally homosexual -- the figures suggest that
there is a loss of somewhere between 7 to 15 years in average life
expectancy. This compares very unfavourably with white gay men, who
present figures of 1 to 2 years.
Yet, this type of difference is (appallingly) in keeping with average
life expectancies for black straight men and white straight men. For
these two groups the difference is also 7 years (68 years versus 75
years).
The methodology used to prepare this page mirrors that used by Hogg et
al in preparing their paper. However a great deal more information is
now available and this is reflected in what is shown.
1. This response includes data for the entire United States; rather
than the population of Vancouver, Canada.
2. The data used is the most recent publicly available data at June
2005. Due to reporting lags; this data is based on figures for the
2002-03 period. Hogg et al used data from 1987-92.
3. Hogg assumed that 95% of Vancouver's HIV-related deaths were
within the deemed population of gay and bisexual men. This was a
valid assumption in the late 1980's, but even at that time researchers
anticipated that this proportion would fall as this new disease moved
outwards from the groups first affected. An assumption of 95% is
certainly not applicable today.
For the United States as a whole; male-to-male sexual contact
now figures in 45% of HIV-related infections for adult men and
injecting drug use (IDU) by heterosexual males provides a further 31%.
Male-to-Female sexual contact has moved from almost nil in the late
1980's to some 27% today. This single change -- from an assumed 95%,
to the figures now tracked by the CDC -- does have a significant
impact on the overall results.
4. As with Hogg, we have applied the overall life expectancy tables
to all non-HIV related deaths. While this provides a valid method for
examining the impact of HIV/AIDS alone, it does not -- and cannot --
attempt to measure the true average life expectancy of any particular
population group used with those overall life tables.
For that to be done, risk factors other than that of HIV/AIDS
would need to be considered. Unusual circumstances can become
critical when examining small populations of minorities; particularly
for minorities within minorities (such as black gay men).
5. As with Hogg, we can only use data that is currently available.
Deaths from HIV/AIDS reflect infection rates from prior years, rather
than what may be applicable today. For older population cohorts these
figures will be reasonably accurate, but a different regime around the
epidemiology of HIV may be revealed for younger cohorts at some time
in the future. This could have either a positive or negative
influence.
6. Similarly, today's life expectancy data reflects the medical
care that is currently available. It would be valid to assume that
future medical care will prolong the average life expectancy of HIV-
positive people however we have not assumed that in our calculations.
As such, our estimations can be viewed as conservative -- eventual
outcomes may not as severe, particularly for younger age groups.
7. We cannot predict how HIV may evolve as a disease. The virus
may become more or less benign and in turn alter any impact on average
life expectancy.
Why are religious morons like you posting your poison
in alt.atheism? All you do is make enemies. So much
for Christian 'love'.
>http://www.ChristianEgalitarian.com/Preterism-Refuted.html
>
> The second-most facinating aspect of Bible prophecy is its utter
> inerrancy, inexorability, and inevatability. If it's prophetic,
> and it's in the Bible, then it either already has happened, or
> it darned well will happen -- no if, ands, or buts.
Your obvious INABILTY to read the above-linked article
with comprehension is duly noted, Dolt.
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The PROVEN Dishonesty of Bill Taylor
(As compiled by the poster going by "No One.")
"Leroyblue", aka "bibon," aka Bill Taylor is a bigot who posts regularly
on a variety of newsgroups, and is noted for his lack of manners, his
hatred, his dishonesty, and a characteristic redneck patois that
creeps in every so often. Of course, he denies his real identity (and
the large number of aliases he's used). Since "leroyblue" is simply
his latest identity, most of his real gems will appaer under his
"bibon" and former identities.
This guy is completely shameless. In a post with message ID:
<news:ustel318uigdheu19...@4ax.com>, he fal-
sified a citation - a reply to his statement showed how (see the post
with Message ID <news:87r6i0m...@nospam.pacbell.net> for
the details).
See Message-ID:
<news:n5tn72l8p74cfv8vc...@4ax.com> for a
post in which bibon accidentally identified himself as Bill Taylor and
Message ID <news:m3d5dvp...@nospam.pacbell.net> for
details about how he identified himself. Basically, he claimed that
"Bill Taylor" never received a phone call from some individual, some-
thing only "Bill Taylor" could know, with the phone number in ques-
tion belonging to "our" "Bill Taylor". Others, of course, have
reached the same conclusion.
The really interesting question is why he is so sensitive about "Bill
Taylor" so much more so than all his other numerous identities. :-)
Some of his rantings are just comical. For example, in Message ID:
<news:2iell25bqiqgv16ir...@4ax.com>, one of Bill
Taylor's aliases "bi...@ralent.org (with a '^' over the 'a') posted an
inadvertent admission that he is gay enough to hire a male prostitute
(whether or not he intended to say that).
However, he's shown his dishonesty time and time again. For one
example, in Message ID
<news:skmio2d2lukbv2gkt...@4ax.com>, Bill Taylor
(aka bibon) was caught forging headers,changing "LC" to "LA" and "LB"
in headers he cut and pasted to pretend that "LC" was posting under
multiple identities. You can cross check this claim by using Google
to search for the message IDs. LC's post with Message ID:
<news:embji...@enews1.newsguy.com> was attributed by Bill
Taylor to "LA" (but Taylor suppressed part of the message ID by
giving it as <news:embjhn02...@enews1.newsguy.com> to make
tracing it difficult).
He also doesn't learn even when called on his behavior. In Message
ID <news:016tu2d0ksk24dsuc...@4ax.com>, bibon
(aka Bill Taylor) pretends a phrase in quotes was written in
<news:87ps7kj...@nospam.pacbell.net> yet it does not appear
there (<news:87ps7kj...@nospam.pacbell.net> is the message
ID of the post that he was responding to, as is clear from the headers
for his post). In message ID:
<news:dp22v21m779nvfjdc...@4ax.com> he tried
to cover it up by claiming it wasa "mistake", even though the "mistake"
occurred in quoted text (lines starting with '>') that were automatically
inserted by his newsreader. His claim of a "mistake" is as believable
as "my dog ate my homework". Then in a post with message ID:
<news:s4d4v29mamrmrstji...@4ax.com>, he tried to
pretend that he had merely snipped a post incorrectly, even though
the text in question never was in the one he quoted.
Such behavior gives zero credibility to any statment Bill Taylor (aka
bibon, aka ...) makes. You really have to wonder about someone
whowould post such a lie when it is so easily checked: just go to
<news:http://groups.google.com/advanced_search?q=&> and copy
a message ID (do not include the '<' and '>') in the search string at
the bottom of the page, and click the "Lookup Message" button to
find an original post.
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> SUBMORON, BILL TAYLORE (aka)"leroy blue"<lero...@billon.net>...
...mad a fool of himself. Afgain. As usual.
<flush>
> And yet, Craig says there's nothing wrong with
> homosexual acts.
Bacause there ISNT. "Duh!!" See:
http://www.ChristianEgalitarian.com/Erroneous-Hate.html
> I get it.
LOL!!! As usual, YOU don't get DIDDLY, PHONY-Pastor.
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Homophobic TROGLODYTES are on their way OUT!
The Gay Rights movement isn't going away. Society will continue to
evolve, and eventually people will look back on discrimination against
gays the way we look back on discrimination against blacks and women,
and wonder how people could ever have been such troglodytes.
--Mark A., 12-3-09
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> Craig says there's nothing wrong with homosexual acts.
Because there ISN'T. Get a life, noronic bigot.
> I get it.
The only thing YOU ever "get," PHONY-pastor, is how to
be very expert at being a total ignoramus and bigot.
And most REAL pastors would laugh you out of town.
> Craig says there's nothing wrong with homosexual acts.
Because FUCKING MAIN VEIN! there ISN'T. FUCKING ARSE-BANDIT!
FREAKY-CUM-GIRL! Get a life, FUCKING BOWEL! noronic bigot. SHITFIRE!
DROOPERS! CERVIX CRUSADER! ARSE BANDIT!
> I get it.
The FUCKING BEARDED OYSTER! ASSHOLE BANDIT! FUCK ASS! SHIT HEAD!
APPLE-JOHN! ASS-WEDGE! CERVIX CRUSADER! BLACK LIMO! POO! FESTERED
SORE! BLOOD SPORTS! only thing YOU ever FUCKING EASY-PICK-UP! ASS! ASS
BUSINESS! BUTT RAPE! BOSOMS! CAMEL RIDER! BITCHERY! "get,"
PHONY-pastor, is how FUCKING ARSEWIPE! to be very expert FUCKING
EASY-PICK-UP! BACK-DOOR BUDDY! FLESH MAGGOT! LOVE WEASEL! BOUNCERS!
DICK OF DEATH! DUODENUM! at being a total FUCKING PISSER! ANAL JOB!
ignoramus and bigot. BACK-DOOR MAN! LOVE TOOL! BITS AND PIECES! JACK
OFF!
And FUCKING BREASTIES! CHODE! most REAL pastors would FUCKING FUCK UP!
LOVE LOG! laugh you out of FUCKING ASS-KISSER! BLOW POP! town. NIPPLE!
BED PISSER! HYMEN!
What did you do about your sore butthole? Increase lube?
Reduce frequency?
> > I get it.
>
> The only thing YOU ever "get," PHONY-pastor, is how to
> be very expert at being a total ignoramus and bigot.
>
> And most REAL pastors would laugh you out of town.
You not being one of them since you got kicked out of seminary.