Oops, Christian Republican Pol Caught Drooling After High School Girls
Yang, AthD (h.c)
http://www.cantonrep.com/index.php?ID=392587&Category=13&subCategoryID
The state champion girls volleyball team of Mercy High School in
Cincinnati was in the Senate chamber recently to receive a resolution
recognizing their accomplishment.
They had gathered around State Sen. Eric Kearney, D-Cincinnati,
causing fellow Sen. Steve Stivers, R-Columbus, to comment that Kearney
"attracts all the attractive women."
Reminded that he had just returned from his honeymoon after
marrying the former Karen Tabor two weeks earlier, Stivers
backpedaled.
"I’m allowed to window shop, just not buy," he said.
Tabor, the spokesperson for House Speaker Jon Husted, R-Kettering,
confirmed her husband’s shopping rules, but said they might be worth a
review.
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Yang
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"I can hardly wait for your head to explode when the Repubs hold onto
both houses of Congress this November. And Yang can quote me on that."
-Fred Stone, 6/14/2006
"FRED STONE YOU GOT PWNED. "
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"Face it, Fred, you've been pwn3d."
-Bill Baker, 12/21/2007
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"Yang, AthD (h.c)" <eacmole@/*AWOLBUSH*/mail.com> wrote out of
desperation...
What Yang purposely ignores as he continues to whine, cry, and lie...
Sen. Dodd Tied To Special Countrywide Loans
Senate Banking Committee Chairman Christopher Dodd reportedly received two
mortgages under a special Countrywide Financial Corp. program that gave
preferential interest rates to "friends" of the company's chairman.
William Jefferson Clinton- Impeached by the House of Representatives over
allegations of perjury and obstruction of justice, but acquitted by the
Senate. Scandals include Whitewater - Travelgate Gennifer Flowersgate -
Filegate - Vince Fostergate - Whitewater Billing Recordsgate - Paula
Jonesgate- Lincoln Bedroomgate - Donations from Convicted Drug and Weapons
Dealersgate - Lippogate - Chinagate - The Lewinsky Affair - Perjury and Jobs
for Lewinskygate - Kathleen Willeygate - Web Hubbell Prison Phone Callgate -
Selling Military Technology to the Chinesegate - Jaunita Broaddrick Gate -
Lootergate - Pardongate
Edward Moore Kennedy - Democrat - U. S. Senator from Massachusetts. Pleaded
guilty to leaving the scene of an accident, after his car plunged off a
bridge on Chappaquiddick Island killing passenger Mary Jo Kopechne.
Barney Frank - Democrat - U.S. Representative from Massachusetts from 1981
to present. Admitted to having paid Stephen L. Gobie, a male prostitute, for
sex and subsequently hiring Gobie as his personal assistant. Gobie used the
congressman's Washington apartment for prostitution. A move to expel Frank
from the House of Representatives failed and a motion to censure him failed.
DNC - The Federal Election Commission imposed $719,000 in fines against
participants in the 1996 Democratic Party fundraising scandals involving
contributions from China, Korea and other foreign sources. The Federal
Election Commission said it decided to drop cases against contributors of
more than $3 million in illegal DNC contributions because the respondents
left the country or the corporations are defunct.
Sandy Berger - Democrat - National Security Advisor during the Clinton
Administration. Berger became the focus of a criminal investigation after
removing highly classified terrorism documents and handwritten notes from
the National Archives during preparations for the Sept. 11 commission
hearings.
Robert Torricelli - Democrat - Withdrew from the 2002 Senate race with less
than 30 days before the election because of controversy over personal gifts
he took from a major campaign donor and questions about campaign donations
from 1996.
James McGreevey - Democrat - New Jersey Governor . Admitted to having a gay
affair. Resigned after allegations of sexual harassment, rumors of being
blackmailed on top of fundraising investigations and indictments.
Jesse Jackson - Democrat - Democratic candidate for President. Admitted to
having an extramarital affair and fathering a illegitimate child.
Gary Condit - Democrat - US Democratic Congressman from California. Condit
had an affair with an intern. Condit, covered up the affair and lied to
police after she went missing. No charges were ever filed against Condit.
Her remains were discovered in a Washington DC park..
Sowande Ajumoke Omokunde - Democrat - the son of newly elected U.S. Rep.
Gwen Moore, was booked on charges of criminal damage to property for
allegedly slashing tires on 20 vans and cars rented by the Republican Party
for use in Election Day voter turnout efforts.
Daniel David Rostenkowski - Democrat - U.S. Representative from Illinois
from 1959 to 1995. Indicted on 17 felony charges- pleaded guilty to two
counts of misuse of public funds and sentenced to seventeen months in
federal prison.
Melvin Jay Reynolds - U.S. Representative from Illinois from 1993 to 1995.
Convicted on sexual misconduct and obstruction of justice charges and
sentenced to five years in prison.
Charles Coles Diggs, Jr. - Democrat - U.S. Representative from Michigan from
1955 to 1980. Convicted on eleven counts of mail fraud and filing false
payroll forms- sentenced to three years in prison.
George Rogers - Democrat - Massachusetts State House of Representatives from
1965 to 1970. M000ember of Massachusetts State Senate from 1975 to 1978.
Convicted of bribery in 1978 and sentenced to two years in prison.
Don Siegelman - Democrat Governor Alabama - indicted in a bid-rigging scheme
involving a maternity-care program. The charges accused Siegelman and his
former chief of staff of helping Tuscaloosa physician Phillip Bobo rig bids.
Siegelman was accused of moving $550,000 from the state education budget to
the State Fire College in Tuscaloosa so Bobo could use the money to pay off
a competitor for a state contract for maternity care.
John Murtha, Jr. - Democrat - U.S. Representative from Pennsylvania.
Implicated in the Abscam sting, in which FBI agents impersonating Arab
businessmen offered bribes to political figures; Murtha was cited as an
unindicted co-conspirator
Gerry Eastman Studds - Democrat - U.S. Representative from Massachusetts
from 1973 to 1997. The first openly gay member of Congress. Censured by the
House of Representatives for having sexual relations with a teenage House
page.
James C. Green - Democrat - North Carolina State House of Representatives
from 1961 to 1977. Charged with accepting a bribe from an undercover FBI
agent, but was acquitted. Convicted of tax evasion in 1997.
Frederick Richmond - Democrat - U.S. Representative from New York from 1975
to 1982. Arrested in Washington, D.C., in 1978 for soliciting sex from a
minor and from an undercover police officer - pleaded guilty to a
misdemeanor. Also - charged with tax evasion, marijuana possession, and
improper payments to a federal employee - pleaded guilty.
Raymond Lederer - Democrat - U.S. Representative from Pennsylvania from 1977
to 1981. Implicated in the Abscam sting - convicted of bribery and sentenced
to three years in prison and fined $20,000.
Harrison Arlington Williams, Jr. - Democrat - U.S. Senator from New Jersey
from 1959 to 1970. Implicated in the Abscam sting. Allegedly accepted an 18%
interest in a titanium mine. Convicted of nine counts of bribery,
conspiracy, receiving an unlawful gratuity, conflict of interest, and
interstate travel in aid of racketeering. Sentenced to three years in prison
and fined $50,000.
Frank Thompson, Jr. - Democrat - U.S. Representative from New Jersey from
1955 to 1980. Implicated in the Abscam sting, convicted on bribery and
conspiracy charges. Sentenced to three years in prison
Michael Joseph Myers - Democrat - U.S. Representative from Pennsylvania from
1976 to 1980. Implicated in the Abscam sting - convicted of bribery and
conspiracy; sentenced to three years in prison and fined $20,000; expelled
from the House of Representatives on October 2, 1980.
John Michael Murphy - Democrat - U.S. Representative from New York from 1963
to 1981. Implicated in the Abscam sting. Convicted of conspiracy, conflict
of interest, and accepting an illegal gratuity. Sentenced to three years in
prison and fined $20,000.
John Wilson Jenrette, Jr - Democrat - U.S. Representative from South
Carolina from 1975 to 1980. Implicated in the Abscam sting. Convicted on
bribery and conspiracy charges and sentenced to prison
Neil Goldschmidt - Democrat - Oregon governor. Admitted to having an illegal
sexual relationship with a 14-year-old teenager while he was serving as
Mayor of Portland.
Alcee Lamar Hastings - Democrat - U.S. Representative from Florida.
Impeached and removed from office as federal judge in 1989 over bribery
charges.
Marion Barry - Democrat - mayor of Washington, D.C., from 1979 to 1991 and
again from 1995 to 1999. Convicted of cocaine possession after being caught
on videotape smoking crack cocaine. Sentenced to six months in prison.
Mario Biaggi - Democrat - U.S. Representative from New York from 1969 to
1988. Indicted on federal charges that he had accepted bribes in return for
influence on federal contracts.Convicted of obstructing justice and
accepting illegal gratuities. Tried in 1988 on federal racketeering charges
and convicted on 15 felony counts.
Lee Alexander - Democrat - Mayor of Syracuse, N.Y. from 1970 to 1985. Was
indicted over a $1.5 million kickback scandal. Pleaded guilty to
racketeering and tax evasion charges. Served six years in prison.
Bill Campbell - Democrat - Mayor of Atlanta. Indicted and charged with fraud
over claims he accepted improper payments from contractors seeking city
contracts.
Frank Ballance - Democrat - Congressman North Carolina. Pleaded guilty to
one charge of conspiracy to commit mail fraud and money laundering related
to mishandling of money by his charitable foundation.
Hazel O'Leary - Democrat - Secretary of Energy during the Clinton
Administration - O'leary took trips all over the world as Secretary with as
many 50 staff members and at times rented a plane, which was used by Madonna
during her concert tours.
Lafayette Thomas - Democrat - Candidate for Tennessee State House of
Representatives in 1954. Sheriff of Davidson County, from 1972 to 1990.
Indicted in federal court on 54 counts of abusing his power as sheriff.
Pleaded guilty to theft and mail fraud; sentenced to five years in prison.
Mary Rose Oakar - Democrat - U.S. Representative from Ohio from 1977 to
1993. Pleaded guilty to two misdemeanor charges of funneling $16,000 through
fake donors.
David Giles - Democrat - candidate for U.S. Representative from Washington
in 1986 and 1990. Convicted in June 2000 of child rape.
Gary Siplin - Democrat state senator Florida- found guilty of third-degree
grand theft of $5,000 or more, a felony, and using services of employees for
his candidacy.
Edward Mezvinsky - Democrat - U.S. Representative from Iowa from 1973 to
1977. Indicted on 56 federal fraud charges.
Lena Swanson - Democrat - Member of Washington State Senate in 1997. Pleaded
guilty to charges of soliciting unlawful payments from veterans and former
prisoners of war.
Abraham J. Hirschfeld - Democrat - candidate in Democratic primary for U.S.
Senator from New York in 1974 and 1976. Offered Paula Jones $1 million to
drop her sexual harassment lawsuit against President Bill Clinton. Convicted
in 2000 of trying to hire a hit man to kill his business partner.
Henry Cisneros - Democrat - U.S. Secretary of Housing and Urban Development
from 1993 to 1997. Pleaded guilty to a misdemeanor charge of lying to the
FBI.
James A. Traficant Jr. - Member of House of Representatives from Ohio.
Expelled from Congress after being convicted of corruption charges.
Sentenced today to eight years in prison for accepting bribes and kickbacks.
John Doug Hays - Democrat - member of Kentucky State Senate from 1980 to
1982 Found guilty of mail fraud for submitting false campaign reports
stemming from an unsuccessful run for judge. He was sentenced to six months
in prison to be followed by six months of home confinement and three years
of probation.
Henry J. Cianfrani - Democrat - Pennsylvania State Senate from 1967 to 1976.
Convicted on federal charges of racketeering and mail fraud for padding his
Senate payroll. Sentenced to five years in federal prison.
David Hall - Democrat - Governor of Oklahoma from 1971 to 1975. Indicted on
extortion and conspiracy charges. Convicted and sentenced to three years in
prison.
John A. Celona - Democrat - A former state senator was charged with the
three counts of mail fraud. Federal prosecutors accused him of defrauding
the state and collecting hundreds of thousands of dollars from CVS Corp. and
others while serving in the legislature. Celona has agreed to plead guilty
to taking money from the CVS pharmacy chain and other companies that had
interest in legislation. Under the deal, Celona agreed to cooperate with
investigators. He faces up to five years in federal prison on each of the
three counts and a $250,000 fine
Allan Turner Howe - Democrat - U.S. Representative from Utah from 1975 to
1977. Arrested for soliciting a policewoman posing as a prostitute.
Jerry Cosentino - Democrat - Illinois State Treasurer. Pleaded guilty to
bank fraud - fined $5,000 and sentenced to nine months home confinement.
Joseph Waggonner Jr. - Democrat - U.S. Representative from Louisiana from
1961 to 19 79. Arrested in Washington, D.C. for soliciting a policewoman
posing as a prostitute
Albert G. Bustamante - Democrat - U.S. Representative from Texas from 1985
to 1993. Convicted in 1993 on racketeering and bribery charges and sentenced
to prison.
Lawrence Jack Smith - Democrat - U.S. Representative from Florida from 1983
to 1993. Sentenced to three months in federal prison for tax evasion.
David Lee Walters - Democrat - Governor of Oklahoma from 1991 to 1995.
Pleaded guilty to a misdemeanor election law violation.
James Guy Tucker, Jr. - Democrat - Governor of Arkansas from 1992 to 1996.
Resigned in July 1996 after conviction on federal fraud charges as part of
the Whitewater investigation.
Walter Rayford Tucker - Democrat - Mayor of Compton, California from 1991 to
1992; U.S. Representative from California from 1993 to 1995. Sentenced to 27
months in prison for extortion and tax evasion.
William McCuen - Democrat - Secretary of State of Arkansas from 1985 to
1995. Admitted accepting kickbacks from two supporters he gave jobs, and not
paying taxes on the money. Admitted to conspiring with a political
consultant to split $53,560 embezzled from the state in a sham transaction.
He was indicted on corruption charges. Pleaded guilty to felony counts tax
evasion and accepting a kickback. Sentenced to 17 years in prison.
Walter Fauntroy - Democrat - Delegate to U.S. Congress from the District of
Columbia from 1971 to 1991. Charged in federal court with making false
statements on financial disclosure forms. Pleaded guilty to one felony count
and sentenced to probation.
Carroll Hubbard, Jr. - Democrat - Kentucky State Senate from 1968 to 1975
and U.S. Representative from Kentucky from 1975 to 1993. Pleaded guilty to
conspiring to defraud the Federal Elections Commission and to theft of
government property; sentenced to three years in prison.
Joseph Kolter - Democrat - member of Pennsylvania State House of
Representatives from 1969 to 1982 and U.S. Representative from Pennsylvania
from 1983 to 1993. Indicted by a Federal grand jury on five felony charges
of embezzlement at the U.S. House post office. Pleaded guilty.
Webster Hubbell - Democrat - Chief Justice of Arkansas State Supreme Court
in 1983. Pleaded guilty to federal mail fraud and tax evasion charges -
sentenced to 21 months in prison.
Nicholas Mavroules - Democrat - U.S. Representative from Massachusetts from
1979 to 1993. Pleaded guilty to charges of tax fraud and accepting
gratuities while in office.
Carl Christopher Perkins - Democrat - Kentucky State House of
Representatives from 1981 to 1984 and U.S. Representative from Kentucky from
1985 to 1993. Pleaded guilty to bank fraud in connection with the House
banking scandal. Perkins wrote overdrafts totaling about $300,000. Pleaded
guilty to charges of filing false statements with the Federal Election
Commission and false financial disclosure reports. Sentenced to 21 months in
prison.
Richard Hanna - Democrat - U.S. Representative from California from 1963 to
1974. Received payments of about $200,000 from a Korean businessman in what
became known as the "Koreagate" influence buying scandal. Pleaded guilty and
sentenced to federal prison.
Angelo Errichetti - Democrat - New Jersey State Senator was sentenced to six
years in prison and fined $40,000 for his involvement in Abscam.
Daniel Baugh Brewster - Democrat - U.S. Senator from Maryland. Indicted on
charges of accepting illegal gratuity while in Senate.
Thomas Joseph Dodd - Democrat - U.S. Senator from Connecticut. Censured by
the Senate for financial improprieties, having diverted $116,000 in campaign
and testimonial funds to his own use
Edward Fretwell Prichard, Jr. - Democrat - Delegate to Democratic National
Convention from Kentucky. Convicted of vote fraud in federal court in
connection with ballot-box stuffing. Served five months in prison.
Jerry Springer - Democrat - Resigned from Cincinnati City Council in 1974
after admitting to paying a prostitute with a personal check, which was
found in a police raid on a massage parlor.
Guy Hamilton Jones, Sr. - Democrat -Arkansas State Senate. Convicted on
federal tax charges and expelled from the Arkansas Senate.
Daniel Flood - Democrat - U.S. Representative from Pennsylvania from 1945 to
1947, 1949 to 1953 and 1955 to 1980. Pleaded guilty to a conspiracy charge
involving payoffs and sentenced to probation.
Otto Kerner, Jr - Democrat - Governor of Illinois from 1961 to 1968. While
serving as Governor, he and another official made a gain of over $300,000 in
a stock deal. Convicted on 17 counts of bribery, conspiracy, perjury, and
related charges. Sentenced to three years in federal prison and fined
$50,000.
George Crockett, Jr. - Democrat - U.S. Representative from Michigan. Served
four months in federal prison for contempt of court following his defense of
a Communist leader on trial for advocating the overthrow of the government.
Cornelius Edward Gallagher - Democrat - U.S. Representative from New Jersey
from 1959 to 1973. Indicted on federal charges of income tax evasion,
conspiracy, and perjury
Mark B. Jimenez - Democrat fundraiser - sentenced to 27 months in prison on
charges of tax evasion and conspiracy to defraud the United States and
commit election financing offenses.
Bobby Lee Rush - Democrat - U.S. Representative from Illinois. As a Black
Panther, spent six months in prison on a weapons charge.
Bolley ''Bo'' Johnson - Democrat - Former Florida House Speaker - received a
two-year term for tax evasion.
Roger L. Green - Democrat - Brooklyn Democrat Assemblyman. Pleaded guilty to
a misdemeanor for accepting travel reimbursement for trips he did not pay
for and was sentenced to fines and probation.
Gloria Davis - Democrat - Bronx assemblywoman. Pleaded guilty to
second-degree bribe-taking.
The Democrat Party's Long and Shameful History of Bigotry and Racism
A common attack upon conservatives and republicans by the ultra left is to
engage in what has come to be known as "playing the race card" but is more
accurately described as racial McCarthyism. Hardly a day goes by without a
member of the far left wing falsely accusing conservatives of racism,
bigotry, and a wide array of similar nasty things. They are not only
dishonest, but they often border on the absurd, as in NAACP leader and hyper
bigot Julian Bond's recent implication to his organization that Bush
administration officials supported confederate slavery. Amazingly, Bond's
statements went without condemnation from the radical Democrat party or
others in his organization.
Not surprisingly, in all the lies and accusations of racism by the radical
left wing, the truth becomes distorted not only about the Republicans but
also the Democrats who make these accusations themselves. For instance, you
may or may not have heard Democrat Senator Robert Byrd's outburst of racist
bigoted slurs, more specifically the "n-word," on national television in
March of 2001. Amazingly, this incident of blatant racism on national
television drew barely a peep from the NAACP, Jesse Jackson, Julian Bond,
Mary Frances Berry, or any of the other ambulance chasers who purport
themselves to be the leaders of the civil rights movement. In contrast, the
main source of well deserved criticism for Byrd's racist outburst came not
from any of the so called leaders of the civil rights movement but from from
Republican Majority Leader Dick Armey (source). The race hustlers Jackson,
Mfume et al turned a blind eye towards this act of racism by one of their
own party, at most issuing an unpublicized slap on the wrist, or, as was
more often the case, making not a peep. But where the race hustlers turn a
blind eye and spew their lies, it is up to conservatives to set the record
straight with the truth.
In response to the growing practice of racial McCarthyism by prominent left
wing Democrats, it is necessary to expose the truth about the Democrat
Party's record on Civil Rights:
I. Acts of Bigotry by Prominent Democrats and Leftists:
Franklin Delano Roosevelt: Franklin Roosevelt, the long time hero and
standard bearer of the Democrat Party, headed up and implemented one of the
most horrible racist policies of the 20th Century - the Japanese Internment
Camps during World War II. Roosevelt unilaterally and knowingly enacted
Japanese Internment through the use of presidential Executive Orders 9066
and 9102 during the early years of the war. These orders single-handedly led
to the imprisonment of an estimated 120,000 law abiding Americans of
Japanese ancestry, the overwhelming majority of them natural born second and
third generation American citizens. Countless innocents lost their property,
fortunes, and, in the case of an unfortunate few, even their lives as a
result of Roosevelt's internment camps, camps that have been accurately
described as America's concentration camps. Perhaps most telling about the
racist nature of Roosevelt's order was his clearly expressed intention to
apply it almost entirely to Japanese Americans, even though America was also
at war with Germany and Italy. In 1943, Roosevelt wrote regarding concerns
of German and Italian Americans that they t0o would share in the fate of the
interned Japanese Americans, noting that "no collective evacuation of German
and Italian aliens is contemplated at this time." Despite this assertion,
Roosevelt did exhibit his personal fears about Italian and German Americans,
and in his typical racist form he used an ethnic stereotype to make his
point. Expressing about his position on German and Italian Americans during
World War II, Roosevelt stated "I don't care so much about the Italians,
they are a lot of opera singers, but the Germans are different. They may be
dangerous."
Roosevelt also appointed two notorious segregationists to the United States
Supreme Court. Roosevelt appointed South Carolina segregationist Democrat
Jimmy Byrnes to the court. Roosevelt later made Byrnes a top advisor, where
the segregationist earned the nickname "assistant president." Byrnes was
Roosevelt's second choice behind Harry Truman for the VP nod in his 1944
reelection bid. Roosevelt also appointed segregationist Democrat Senator
Hugo Black of Alabama to the court. Black was a former member of the Ku Klux
Klan with a notorious record of racism himself.
Hugo Black: A former Democrat Senator from Alabama and liberal U.S. Supreme
Court Justice appointed by FDR, Hugo Black had a lengthy history of hate
group activism. Black was a member of the Ku Klux Klan in the 1920's and
gained his legal fame defending Klansmen under prosecution for racial
murders. In one prominent case, Black provided legal representation to
Klansman Edwin Stephenson for the hate-induced murder of a Catholic priest
in Birmingham. A jury composed of several Klan members acquited Stephenson
of the murder, reportedly after Black expressed Klan gestures to the jury
during the trial. In 1926 Black sought and won election as a Democrat to the
United States Senate after campaigning heavily to Klan membership. He is
said to have told one Klan audience "I desire to impress upon you as
representatives of the real Anglo-Saxon sentiment that must and will control
the destinies of the stars and stripes, that I want your counsel." In the
Senate Black became a stauch supporter of the liberal New Deal initiatives
of FDR and a solid opponent of civil rights legislation, including a
filibuster of an anti-lynching measure. Black led the push for several New
Deal programs and was a key participant in FDR's court packing scandal.
Roosevelt appointed Black, a loyal ally, to the U.S. Supreme Court. During
the Senate confirmation of Black's nomination, the issue of his strong Klan
affiliations caused a public controversy over his appointment. Following the
confirmation Roosevelt claimed ignorance of Black's Klan past, though this
claim was dubious at best. Black's first Senate election, which occurred
with Klan support, had been covered nationally a decade earlier in 1926.
Black's Klan affiliations were a well known part of his political background
and recieved heavy coverage in the newspapers at the time of his
appointment. On the court, Black became a liberal stalwart. He also
continued his career of supporting racism by authoring the opinion in favor
of FDR's Japanese internment program in the infamous Korematsu ruling.
Senator Robert Byrd, D-WV: Byrd is a former member of the Ku Klux Klan and
is currently the only national elected official with a history in the Klan,
a well known hate group. Byrd was extremely active in the Klan and rose to
the rank of "Kleagle," an official Klan membership recruiter. Byrd once
stated that he joined the Klan because it was effective in "promoting
traditional American values" (Source). Byrd's choice of words speak volumes
about his bigotry considering the fact that the Klan is a notorious hate
group, and the racist "values" it promotes are anything but American. One of
the earliest criticisms of Byrd's Klan ties came in 1952 when he was running
for Congress. Byrd responded by claiming that he had left the Klan in 1943
while noting that "(d)uring the nine years that have followed, I have never
been interested in the Klan." Byrd was lying, however, as he engaged in
correspondence with a Klan Imperial Wizard long after he claims to have
ended his ties with the hate group.
In a letter to the Klan leadership (Source) dated 3 years after he purported
to have ended his ties with them, Byrd wrote "I am a former kleagle of the
Ku Klux Klan in Raleigh County and the adjoining counties of the state. The
Klan is needed today as never before and I am anxious to see its rebirth
here in West Virginia." Byrd continued his racist diatribe "It is necessary
that the order be promoted immediately and in every state of the Union" and
followed with a request for assistance from the hate group's leadership in
"rebuilding the Klan in the realm" of West Virginia.
Byrd's racism extends far beyond his Klan membership. In a letter he wrote
on the subject of desegregating the armed forces, Byrd escalated his racist
rhetoric to an appalling level. In the letter, Byrd vowed that he would
never fight in an integrated armed services noting "(r)ather I should die a
thousand times, and see Old Glory trampled in the dirt never to rise again,
than to see this beloved land of ours become degraded by race mongrels, a
throwback to the blackest specimen from the wilds" (Source).
Byrd's racist opinions have shown their ugly face in his behavior in the
Senate. Byrd led the filibuster of the Civil Rights Act of 1964 and,
according to the United States Senate's own website, filibustered the
legislation to the bitter end appearing as one of the last opponents to the
act before a coalition of civil rights proponents led by Republican Minority
Leader Everett Dirksen invoked cloture so that the Civil Rights Act of 1964
could pass. At the time, Byrd was in the the midst of a 14 hour and 13
minute filibuster diatribe against the key civil rights measure (Source).
Throughout the 1960's, Byrd was was one of the staunchest opponents to civil
rights in the U.S. Senate. Byrd's racist history drew attention recently
when he went on national television and repeatedly used the n-word, one of
the most vicious racial slurs in existence, in an appearance on national
television. Byrd uttered the slur on Fox News Sunday with Tony Snow on March
5, 2001. Despite the appalling nature of the remark, it went largely ignored
by the mainstream media and the self appointed "civil rights" leadership.
Whereas a similar remark by anyone other than a leading Democrat Senator
would assuredly prompt the likes of Jesse Jackson to assemble protest
rallies demanding resignations, the Jackson crowd was eerily quiet following
Byrd's remarks, issuing only low key suggestions that Byrd should avoid
making such bigoted remarks.
In a sickening recognition of Byrd's appalling political career, the
national Democrat party has done nothing but embrace the West Virginia
senator with leadership roles and practically every honor imaginable. To
this very day the Democrats call former Klansman turned U.S. Senator Robert
Byrd the "conscience of the Senate." They have embraced him as their party's
central pillar in all ways possible. Byrd has been reelected more times than
any other Democrat senator, has served as a Democrat in Congress, a Democrat
State Senator in West Virginia, and a Democrat State Delegate in West
Virginia. Democrats have made repeatedly elected Byrd into their national
party leadership and into the U.S. Senate leadership. He became secretary of
the Senate Democrat Caucus in 1967, and Senate Democrat Whip in 1971. The
Democrats elected former Klansman Byrd as their Senate Majority Leader from
1977-1980 and as their Senate Minority Leader from 1981-1986. Byrd was again
elected Democrat Majority Leader from 1987-1988. Democrats made Byrd the
chairman of the powerful Appropriations Committee and President Pro Tempore
of the Senate from 1989 until the Republicans won control of the Senate in
November 1994. Following the defection of Jim Jeffords in June 2001, the
Democrats again made Byrd the chairman of the Appropriations Committee and
elected him to the highest ranking office in the Senate: the President Pro
Tempore, a position which also put this former Klansman 4th in line for the
presidency. Byrd lost his position when Republicans retook the Senate in
late 2002, but continues to serve as one of the highest ranking members of
the Democrat Senate leadership today.
Senator Ernest Hollings, D-SC: Hollings is liberal Democrat Senator from
South Carolina who is also notorious for his use of racial slurs. He rose
out of the Democrat Party's segregationist wing in the 1960's as governor of
South Carolina. While in office as governor, Hollings personally led the
opposition to lunch counter integration in his state. The New York Times
reported on March 17, 1960 that then-governor Hollings "warned today that
South Carolina would not permit 'explosive' manifestations in connection
with Negro demands for lunch-counter services." According to the article,
Hollings gave a speech in which he "challenged President Eisenhower's
contention that minorities had the right to engage in certain types of
demonstrations" against segregation. In the speech Hollings described the
Republican president as "confused" and asserted that Eisenhower had done
"great damage to peace and good order" by supporting the rights of
minorities to protest segregation at the lunch counters.
Governor Hollings' support for segregation continued throughout his term and
included his attendance at a July 23, 1961 meeting of segregationist
Democrats to organize their opposition to the civil rights movement.
Hollings was one of four governors in attendence, all of them Democrats. The
others included rabid segregationists Orval Faubus of Arkansas and Ross
Barnett of Mississippi. The New York Times reported on the meeting, noting
that among the strategies discussed were using the segregationist White
Citizens Council organization to mobilize political opposition to
desegregation.
In more recent years Hollings, a senior Democrat senator, has made
disparaging racial remarks and slurs against minorities. Senator Hollings,
who was a contender for his party's presidential nomination in 1984, blamed
his defeat in the primaries by using a racial slur against Hispanics. After
losing the Iowa Straw Poll, Hollings stated "You had wetbacks from
California that came in here for Cranston," referring to one of his
opponents, Alan Cranston. A few years later Hollings reportedly used the
slur "darkies" to derogatorily refer to blacks. He also once disparagingly
referred to the Rainbow PUSH Coalition as the "Blackbow Coalition," and
called former Senator Howard Metzenbaum, who is Jewish, "the Senator from
B'nai B'rith." Hollings gained international criticism for his remarks about
the African Delegation to the 1993 Geneva GATT conference, where he crudely
remarked "you'd find these potentates from down in Africa, you know, rather
than eating each other, they'd just come up and get a good square meal in
Geneva." Hollings was also the Governor of South Carolina who raised the
confederate flag over the state capitol in the early 1960's in what was
considered at the time to be an act of defiance to civil rights. The press
ignored Hollings and his role in the flag issue at the same time the
political correctness police were smearing George W. Bush during his
campaign after Bush correctly remarked that the flag was a state issue to be
decided upon by South Carolina and not the national government.
Jesse Jackson: Jackson was the featured prime time speaker at the 2000
Democrat Convention. Jackson has a history of using anti-Semitic slurs and
derogatorily calling New York City "Hymietown." Jackson, a prominent self
proclaimed "civil rights leader," is himself guilty of the same bigotry he
dishonestly purports to oppose.
Dan Rather: Rather, the well known television anchor for CBS, is also a
liberal Democrat who has spoken at fundraisers for the Democrat party in the
past. The notoriously left wing reporter appeared on the Don Imus radio show
on July 19, 2001 where he was interviewed about his long term refusal to
cover the Gary Condit (D-CA) scandal involving an affair with a missing
intern despite the scandal's national prominence. Rather noted on the air
that CBS had basically forced him to cover the story that was on every other
network and on the front page of all the major newspapers, all this after
Rather avoided it for months. Rather stated on the air, refering to CBS,
that "they got the Buckwheats" and made him cover the Condit scandal. The
term "Buckwheat" is considered an offensive racial stereotype that stems
from an easily frightened black character named "Buckwheat" on the Little
Rascals comedies. It is widely regarded as a racial epithet and has long
been condemned as an offensive stereotype by several civil rights
organizations. In several past incidents (see here and here) the use of the
epithet "Buckwheat" has recieved condemnation by the NAACP, Al Sharpton and
other left wing organizations. These left wing organizations and
personalities have demanded that other media personalities be fired over
using the epithet, and even staged a protest at a school over the mere
allegation that the racist stereotype had been used by a teacher. Yet these
same liberal groups have, to date, remained completely silent now that one
of their own, Dan Rather, is guilty of using the same offensive racial
stereotype they have condemned elsewhere on a national radio show. It's just
more proof of how the left wingers who cry the loudest with accusations of
racism against others turn a blind eye when somebody of their own left wing
ideology is the undeniable culprit of a blatantly racist act or statement!
Cragg Hines: Hines is one of the most rabidly partisan DC based Democrat
editorial columnists to work for a major newspaper, and he makes no attempts
to hide it. To Hines, pro-lifers are "neanderthals," as is often the case
with those who differ in opinion with him. Ironically, Hines, a columnist
who regularly touts himself as an enlightened progressive, is also known for
racial remarks and religious intolerance. He attacked Senator Jesse Helms in
an August 26, 2001 editorial with not only the usual liberal name calling,
but also with a racial epithet. Hines used the racial slur "cracker" to
attack Helms. He used the epithet not only within the article's text, but he
even included it in the piece's title. In a sense of heavy irony, Hines'
article accused Helms of bigotry for, among other things, opposing liberal
policies like affirmative action. He didn't seem to object to himself for
his own bigotted language in the same article. Hines has also drawn heavy
criticism from Catholics including a letter to the editor from the former
President of the U.S. Catholic Bishop's Conference for his seemingly
agenda-driven criticisms of Catholicism and its religious leaders, often
based on little or no historical evidence, which he has expressed in
numerous editorial columns.
Al Sharpton: Sharpton, a perrenial Democrat candidate and one of the rumored
candidates for the Democrat's 2004 presidential nomination, has a notorious
racist past. Sharpton was a central figure who fanned the 1991 Crown Heights
race riot, where a mob shouting anti-semetic slurs murdered an innocent
Jewish man. Sharpton also incited a 1995 protest of a Jewish owned store in
Harlem where protesters used several anti-semetic slurs. During the
protests, a Sharpton lieutenant called the store's owner a "bloodsucker" and
declared an intent to "loot the Jews." A member of the protest mob later set
fire to the store, resulting in the death of seven (source).
Representative Dick Gephardt, D-MO: Gephardt, the former Democrat Minority
Leader in the U.S. House of Representatives, gave several speeches to a St.
Louis area hate group during his early years as a representative. According
to the St. Louis Post-Dispatch, Gephardt spoke before the Metro South
Citizens Council, a now defunct white supremacist organization, during his
early years as a congressman. Newsmax.com further reported that Gephardt had
openly asked the group for an endorsement of his candidacy during one of his
many visits with the organization. Gephardt has long avoided questions about
his past affiliation with this group.
Andrew Cuomo: Cuomo, Bill Clinton's former Housing Secretary and a prominent
Democrat political player in New York, was tape recorded using racially
inflamatory rhetoric to build opposition to a potential Democrat primary
opponent while speaking to a Democrat group. Cuomo stated that voting for
his rival for the New York Democrat gubernatorial nomination Carl McCall,
who is black, would create a "racial contract" between Black and Hispanic
Democrats "and that can't happen." Upon initial reports, Cuomo denied the
statement but later a tape recording surfaced. Cuomo later dropped out of
the race for governor (source).
Lee P. Brown: Brown, Bill Clinton's former drug czar and Democrat mayor of
Houston, engaged in racist campaigning designed to suppress Hispanic voter
turnout during his 2001 reelection bid. Brown faced challenger Orlando
Sanchez, a Hispanic Republican who drew heavy support from the Hispanic
community during the general election. Two weeks prior to the runoff,
Brown's campaign printed racist signs designed to intimidate Hispanic
voters. The signs featured a photograph of Sanchez and the words
"Anti-Hispanic." The signs drew harsh criticism from Hispanic leaders as
their message was designed to intimidate and confuse Hispanic voters. Around
the same time the signs were being used, Brown supporter and city councilman
Carol Alvarado made a series of racially charged attacks on Sanchez,
implying a desire to see the supression of Hispanic voter turnout in the
runoff. Brown staffers also went on record claiming that Sanchez was not a
true Hispanic. The racist anti-Hispanic undertones of Brown's reelection bid
were so great that liberal Democrat city councilman John Castillo, himself
Hispanic, retracted his endorsement of Brown in disgust and became a Sanchez
supporter in the final week of the campaign. Following the harsh
condemnation of the racist signs and tactics, Brown purported that his
campaign was removing them even though many still lingered around Houston up
until the election. When election day came along, Brown placed more of the
racist signs at polling places, despite his claim to have stopped using
them. The large campaign billboard style election day signs featured, in
Spanish, the word "Danger!" on them followed by Sanchez's name with a large
red circle and slash through it. The signs identified the Brown campaign as
their owner on the bottom. Brown's racially charged reelection effort barely
squeeked by Sanchez on election day, winning 51% to 49% following a series
of racially motivated advertisements in which the Brown campaign appealed to
the fear of black voters by invoking images of the gruesome lynching death
of James Byrd, Jr. and by attempting to pit them against Hispanics. While
Brown had the audacity to declare himself a mayor for all people and all
ethnicities at his victory party, many in Houston fear the racial wounds
inflicted by his campaign will take years to heal.
Mary Frances Berry: Berry is the Democrat chair of the US Commission on
Civil Rights (USCCR). She purports herself to be an "independent" in her
political affiliation in order to hold her job on the civil rights
commission where partisan membership may not exceed 4 for either party, but
is in fact a dedicated liberal Democrat who openly supported Al Gore for
president and has given a total of $20,000 in personal contributions to the
Democrat Party, Al Gore for President, and other Democrat candidates over
the last decade. Berry is an open racist who is affiliated with the far-left
Pacifica radio network, a group with ties to black nationalist causes. Berry
once stated "Civil rights laws were not passed to protect the rights of
white men and do not apply to them," indicating that she believes the USCCR
should only look out for civil rights violations against persons of certain
select skin colors.
Billy McKinney: Former Democrat State Representative Billy McKinney of
Georgia, who is also the father of former Democrat congresswoman Cynthia
McKinney of the same state. During his daughter's failed 2002 reelection
bid, McKinney appeared on television where he blamed his daughter's
difficulties on a Jewish conspiracy. McKinney unleashed a string of
anti-semitic sentiments, stating "This is all about the Jews" and spelling
out "J-E-W-S." McKinney lost his own seat in a runoff a few weeks later.
The Democrat Party and the Ku Klux Klan: Aside from the multiple Klan
members who have served in elected capacity within the high ranks of the
Democrat Party, the political party itself has a lengthy but often
overlooked history of involvement with the Ku Klux Klan. Though it has been
all but forgotten by the media, the Democrat National Convention of 1924 was
host to one of the largest Klan gatherings in American history. Dubbed the
"Klanbake convention" at the time, the 1924 Democrat National Convention in
New York was dominated by a platform dispute surrounding the Ku Klux Klan. A
minority of the delegates to the convention attempted to condemn the hate
group in the party's platform, but found their proposal shot down by Klan
supporters within the party. As delegates inside the convention voted in the
Klan's favor, the Klan itself mobilized a celebratory rally outside. On July
4, 1924 one of the largest Klan gatherings ever occurred outside the
convention on a field in nearby New Jersey. The event was marked by speakers
spewing racial hatred, celebrations of their platform victory in the
Democrat Convention, and ended in a cross burning.
II. Democrat opposition to the Civil Rights Movement:
A little known fact of history involves the heavy opposition to the civil
rights movement by several prominent Democrats. Similar historical neglect
is given to the important role Republicans played in supporting the civil
rights movement. A calculation of 26 major civil rights votes from 1933
through the 1960's civil rights era shows that Republicans favored civil
rights in approximately 96% of the votes, whereas the Democrats opposed them
in 80% of the votes! These facts are often intentionally overlooked by the
left wing Democrats for obvious reasons. In some cases, the Democrats have
told flat out lies about their shameful record during the civil rights
movement.
Democrat Senators organized the record Senate filibuster of the Civil Rights
Act of 1964. Included among the organizers were several prominent and well
known liberal Democrat standard bearers including:
- Robert Byrd, current senator from West Virginia
- J. William Fulbright, Arkansas senator and political mentor of Bill
Clinton
- Albert Gore Sr., Tennessee senator, father and political mentor of Al
Gore. Gore Jr. has been known to lie about his father's opposition to the
Civil Rights Act.
- Sam Ervin, North Carolina senator of Watergate hearings fame
- Richard Russell, famed Georgia senator and later President Pro Tempore
The complete list of the 21 Democrats who opposed the Civil Rights Act of
1964 includes Senators:
- Hill and Sparkman of Alabama
- Fulbright and McClellan of Arkansas
- Holland and Smathers of Florida
- Russell and Talmadge of Georgia
- Ellender and Long of Louisiana
- Eastland and Stennis of Mississippi
- Ervin and Jordan of North Carolina
- Johnston and Thurmond of South Carolina
- Gore Sr. and Walters of Tennessee
- H. Byrd and Robertson of Virginia
- R. Byrd of West Virginia
Democrat opposition to the Civil Rights Act was substantial enough to
literally split the party in two. A whopping 40% of the House Democrats
VOTED AGAINST the Civil Rights Act, while 80% of Republicans SUPPORTED it.
Republican support in the Senate was even higher. Similar trends occurred
with the Voting Rights Act of 1965, which was supported by 82% of House
Republicans and 94% of Senate Republicans. The same Democrat standard
bearers took their normal racists stances, this time with Senator Fulbright
leading the opposition effort.
It took the hard work of Republican Senate Minority Leader Everett Dirksen
and Republican Whip Thomas Kuchel to pass the Civil Rights Act (Dirksen was
presented a civil rights accomplishment award for the year by the head of
the NAACP in recognition of his efforts). Upon breaking the Democrat
filibuster of the 1964 Civil Rights Act, Republican Dirksen took to the
Senate floor and exclaimed "The time has come for equality of opportunity in
sharing in government, in education, and in employment. It will not be
stayed or denied. It is here!" (Full text of speech). Sadly, Democrats and
revisionist historians have all but forgotten (and intentionally so) that it
was Republican Dirksen, not the divided Democrats, who made the Civil Rights
Act a reality. Dirksen also broke the Democrat filibuster of the 1957 Civil
Rights Act that was signed by Republican President Eisenhower.
Outside of Congress, the three most notorious opponents of school
integration were all Democrats:
- Orval Faubus, Democrat Governor of Arkansas and one of Bill Clinton's
political heroes
- George Wallace, Democrat Governor of Alabama
- Lester Maddox, Democrat Governor of Georgia
The most famous of the school desegregation standoffs involved Governor
Faubus. Democrat Faubus used police and state forces to block the
integration of a high school in Little Rock, Arkansas. The standoff was
settled and the school was integrated only after the intervention of
Republican President Dwight D. Eisenhower.
Even the Democrat Party organization resisted integration and refused to
allow minority participation for decades. Exclusion of minorities was the
general rule of the Democrat Party of many states for decades, especially in
Texas. This racist policy reached its peak under the New Deal in the
southern and western states, often known as the New Deal Coalition region of
FDR. The Supreme Court in Nixon v. Herndon declared the practice of "white
primaries" unconstitutional in 1927 after states had passed laws barring
Blacks from participating in Democrat primaries. But the Democrat Parties
did not yield to the Court's order. After Nixon v. Herndon, Democrats simply
made rules within the party's individual executive committees to bar
minorities from participating, which were struck down in Nixon v. Condon in
1932. The Democrats, in typical racist fashion, responded by using state
parties to pass rules barring blacks from participation. This decision was
upheld in Grovey v. Townsend, which was not overturned until 1944 by Smith
v. Allwright. The Texas Democrats responded with their usual ploys and
turned to what was known as the "Jaybird system" which used private Democrat
clubs to hold white-only votes on a slate of candidates, which were then
transferred to the Democrat party itself and put on their primary ballot as
the only choices. Terry v. Adams overturned the Jaybird system, prompting
the Democrats to institute blocks of unit rule voting procedures as well as
the infamous literacy tests and other Jim Crow regulations to specifically
block minorities from participating in their primaries. In the end, it took
4 direct Supreme Court orders to end the Democrat's "white primary" system,
and after that it took countless additional orders, several acts of
Congress, and a constitutional amendment to tear down the Jim Crow codes
that preserved the Democrat's white primary for decades beyond the final
Supreme Court order ruling it officially unconstitutional.
Hispanics in South Texas were treated especially poorly by the Democrat
Party, which relied heavily on a system of political bosses to coerce and
intimidate Hispanics into voting for Democrat primary candidates of choice.
Though coercion is illegal, this system, known as the Patron system, is
still in use to this day by local Democrat parties in some heavy Hispanic
communities of the southwest.
The next time Democrats take to the national airwaves to dishonestly accuse
Republicans of racial hatred, remember who the historical record up until
this very day points to as the real bigots: The Democrat Party. In all
possible ways, the Democrat Party is built around the pillars of ultra
leftists, many of whom are known participants in racism and/or affiliates of
racist hate groups. Consider the Democrat Party of today's heroes and
leaders:
- Franklin Delano Roosevelt, Democrat icon and orchestrator of Japanese
Internment
- Ex-House Minority Leader Dick Gephardt, former affiliate of a St. Louis
area racist group
- Ex-Senate President Pro Tempore Robert Byrd, former Ku Klux Klansman known
for making bigoted slurs on national television
- Rev. Jesse Jackson, Democrat keynote speaker and race hustler known for
making anti-Semitic slurs
- Rev. Al Sharpten, Democrat activist and perennial candidate and race
hustler known inciting anti-Semitic violence in New York City
- Sen. Ernest Hollings, leading Democrat Senator known for use of racial
slurs against several minority groups
- Lee P. Brown, former Clinton cabinet official and Democrat mayor of
Houston who won reelection using racial intimidation against Hispanic voters
- Andrew Cuomo, former Clinton cabinet official and Democrat candidate for
NY Governor who made racist statements about a black opponent.
- Dan Rather, Democrat CBS news anchor and editorialist known for using
anti-black racial epithets on a national radio broadcast
- Donna Brazile, former Gore campaign manager known for making anti-white
racial attacks. Brazile has also worked for Jackson, Gephardt, and Michael
Dukakis
The simple truth is that the Democrat Party's history during this century is
one closely aligned to bigotry in a record stemming largely out of the
liberal New Deal era up until the modern day. Bigots are at the center of
the Democrat party's current leadership and role models. And in a striking
display of hypocrisy, many of the same Democrats who dishonestly shout
accusations of "bigotry" at conservatives are practicing bigots of the most
disgusting and disreputable kind themselves.
SeahawkFan
"Cut Off By Google" <think...@dlcwest.com> wrote in message
news:0bdd583c-2804-4d5d...@j22g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
> x-no-archive: yes
>
> On Jun 18, 7:50 am, "SeahawkFan" <deseahawk...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> "Yang, AthD (h.c)" <eacmole@/*AWOLBUSH*/mail.com> wrote out of
>> desperation...
>
>> What Yang purposely ignores as he continues to whine, cry, and lie...
>
>> Sen. Dodd Tied To Special Countrywide Loans
>
>> Senate Banking Committee Chairman Christopher Dodd reportedly received
>> two
>> mortgages under a special Countrywide Financial Corp. program that gave
>> preferential interest rates to "friends" of the company's chairman.
>
>> William Jefferson Clinton- Impeached by the House of Representatives over
>> allegations of perjury and obstruction of justice, but acquitted by the
>> Senate. Scandals include Whitewater - Travelgate Gennifer Flowersgate -
>> Filegate - Vince Fostergate - Whitewater Billing Recordsgate - Paula
>> Jonesgate- Lincoln Bedroomgate - Donations from Convicted Drug and
>> Weapons
>> Dealersgate - Lippogate - Chinagate - The Lewinsky Affair - Perjury and
>> Jobs
>> for Lewinskygate - Kathleen Willeygate - Web Hubbell Prison Phone
>> Callgate -
>> Selling Military Technology to the Chinesegate - Jaunita Broaddrick
>> Gate -
>> Lootergate - Pardongate
>
>
>> Edward Moore Kennedy - Democrat - U. S. Senator from Massachusetts.
>> Pleaded
>> guilty to leaving the scene of an accident, after his car plunged off a
>> bridge on Chappaquiddick Island killing passenger Mary Jo Kopechne.
>
>> Barney Frank - Democrat - U.S. Representative from Massachusetts from
>> 1981
>> to present. Admitted to having paid Stephen L. Gobie, a male prostitute,
>> for
>> sex and subsequently hiring Gobie as his personal assistant. Gobie used
>> the
>> congressman's Washington apartment for prostitution. A move to expel
>> Frank
>> from the House of Representatives failed and a motion to censure him
>> failed.
>
Obviously the fact that I have so many corrupt Democrats on my list,
you're a left-tard, and bothered by it.
>
> <remaining shit snipped. I'd snip this type of shit even if it were
> posted by a Democrat and pertained to misdeeds/crimes committed by
> repugtards>
SeahawkFan
> x-no-archive: yes
>
> On Jun 18, 10:38 am, "SeahawkFan" <deseahawk...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> "Cut Off By Google" <think.un...@dlcwest.com> wrote in
>> messagenews:0bdd583c-2804-4d5d...@j22g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
It is.
>
> Someone compiled a list of all the repugtards convicted of sexual
> offences against minors. The list is regularly "disseminated" via
> usenet post.
Correct, and I compiled a list of all the democraps convicted of crimes and
other sexual perverted acts.
You don't like that.
Gwen
defending corrupt republicunts:
> "Yang, AthD (h.c)" <eacmole@/*AWOLBUSH*/mail.com> wrote out of
> desperation...
>
> What Yang purposely ignores as he continues to whine, cry, and lie...
Nobody's ignoring political corruption.
Why else do you think Yang has so much to say about it?
> Sen. Dodd Tied To Special Countrywide Loans
>
> Senate Banking Committee Chairman Christopher Dodd reportedly received two
> mortgages under a special Countrywide Financial Corp. program that gave
> preferential interest rates to "friends" of the company's chairman.
[...]
Tom S.
And you posted it and reposted it and reposted it...... unlike COBG
who said he snips it from his replies.
>You don't like that.
No, you don't. You don't like people pointing out your obnoxiousness
by snipping your propaganda every time you post it.
Tom S.
Gwen
> "Yang, AthD (h.c)" <eacmole@/*AWOLBUSH*/mail.com> wrote out of
> desperation...
[...]
Hey, aren't you the same neo-conservative, republicunt (liberal-wanna
be) pervert that once 'accidentally' expressed his excitement about
seeing "young school girls in tight tops and short mini-skirts"...?
Uh, huh, Osprey...
Sonnova
(in article
<f5d0d341-61aa-474c...@26g2000hsk.googlegroups.com>):
It's natural to drool over high-school girls, they look great. What's wrong
is touching them. Drooling is permitted. touching is a no-no (unless they're
18, of course). <g>
Gwen Bennet
> On Thu, 19 Jun 2008 04:57:43 -0700, Gwen wrote
> (in article
>
> > On Jun 18, 8:50 am, "SeahawkFan" <deseahawk...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >> "Yang, AthD (h.c)" <eacmole@/*AWOLBUSH*/mail.com> wrote out of
> >> desperation...
>
> > [...]
>
> > Hey, aren't you the same neo-conservative, republicunt (liberal-wanna
> > be) pervert that once 'accidentally' expressed his excitement about
> > seeing "young school girls in tight tops and short mini-skirts"...?
>
> > Uh, huh, Osprey...
>
> It's natural to drool over high-school girls, they look great. What's wrong
> is touching them. Drooling is permitted. touching is a no-no (unless they're
> 18, of course). <g>
Osprey (SeaHawkFan) is a supposed Christian and moralist.
He is, in reality, a pervert and a disgusting hypocrite.
Sonnova
(in article
<1115eb2f-34e8-4e58...@q27g2000prf.googlegroups.com>):
He's also a human male and its normal for guys to find pretty teen-aged girls
sexually attractive. I don't think this has anything whatsoever to do with
either religion or morals. Now if he actually molested her, that's another
story.
Gwen Bennet
> On Thu, 19 Jun 2008 12:29:12 -0700, Gwen Bennet wrote
> (in article
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Jun 19, 2:24 pm, Sonnova <sonn...@audiosanatorium.com> wrote:
> >> On Thu, 19 Jun 2008 04:57:43 -0700, Gwen wrote
> >> (in article
> >> <f5d0d341-61aa-474c-a792-8c3a88e5d...@26g2000hsk.googlegroups.com>):
>
> >>> On Jun 18, 8:50 am, "SeahawkFan" <deseahawk...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >>>> "Yang, AthD (h.c)" <eacmole@/*AWOLBUSH*/mail.com> wrote out of
> >>>> desperation...
>
> >>> [...]
>
> >>> Hey, aren't you the same neo-conservative, republicunt (liberal-wanna
> >>> be) pervert that once 'accidentally' expressed his excitement about
> >>> seeing "young school girls in tight tops and short mini-skirts"...?
>
> >>> Uh, huh, Osprey...
>
> >> It's natural to drool over high-school girls, they look great. What's wrong
> >> is touching them. Drooling is permitted. touching is a no-no (unless they're
> >> 18, of course). <g>
>
> > Osprey (SeaHawkFan) is a supposed Christian and moralist.
>
> > He is, in reality, a pervert and a disgusting hypocrite.
>
> He's also a human male
Please don't classify all "human males" under this disgusting category
of losers, ok?
Gwen Bennet
> sexually attractive.
It isn't.
The Chief Instigator
It is, up to a point...and that point isn't very far past being a teen. (In
my case, it was by the year after I got my degree, when I was 23.)
--
Patrick "The Chief Instigator" Humphrey (pat...@io.com) Benham, Kentucky
www.io.com/~patrick/aeros.php (TCI's 2008-09 Houston Aeros) AA#2273
LAST GAME: Rockford 5, Houston 2 (April 25)
NEXT GAME: The 2008-09 season opener in early October
Yang, AthD (h.c)
Yep, that vaunted Republican moral superiority
Robibnikoff
"The Chief Instigator" <pat...@io.com> wrote in message
news:slrng5lsfq....@eris.io.com...
> On Thu, 19 Jun 2008 14:23:21 -0700 (PDT), Gwen Bennet
> <bennetw...@post.com> wrote:
>> On Jun 19, 4:18 pm, Sonnova <sonn...@audiosanatorium.com> wrote:
>>>... its normal for guys to find pretty teen-aged girls
>>> sexually attractive.
>>
>> It isn't.
>
> It is, up to a point...and that point isn't very far past being a teen.
> (In
> my case, it was by the year after I got my degree, when I was 23.)
I caught my husband starring at the chest of a young lady at a "wet down" at
my local fire department this past weekend (they got a new truck and about
15 towns sent one of their fire trucks to drench it - and all the kids
surrounding it. Beer is served and food is grilled). I was like "Honey,
watch it. That girl was young enough to be your daughter." He responded
"Holy crap, I didn't know. All I saw was boobs". He was properly
mortified. Well, at least he told me he was ;)
--
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
BAAWA Knight!
#1557
SeahawkFan
"Yang, AthD (h.c)" <eacmole@/*AWOLBUSH*/mail.com> wrote in message
news:uful54plor8lh7bcl...@4ax.com...
> On Thu, 19 Jun 2008 04:57:43 -0700 (PDT), Gwen
> <bennetw...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>On Jun 18, 8:50 am, "SeahawkFan" <deseahawk...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>> "Yang, AthD (h.c)" <eacmole@/*AWOLBUSH*/mail.com> wrote out of
>>> desperation...
>>
>>[...]
>>
>>Hey, aren't you the same neo-conservative, republicunt (liberal-wanna
>>be) pervert that once 'accidentally' expressed his excitement about
>>seeing "young school girls in tight tops and short mini-skirts"...?
>>
>>Uh, huh, Osprey...
>
>
> Yep, that vaunted Republican moral superiority
Yep, that dishonest Liberal ability to lie.
The Chief Instigator
No problem there, even though when I got my degree, the (then) love of my
life was already 24. Dale's 41 months older than me, and the one I was with
in college didn't let the breakup stop her - she wound up as the city
manager of one of the Denton County suburbs of Dallas (and managed to get
married on the same day that Dale and I tied the knot, albeit six years
earlier).
Sonnova
(in article
<69a2c61a-2dbb-41f0...@2g2000hsn.googlegroups.com>):
Sorry lady, but you don't have the correct hormones to judge what is normal
for a man and what isn't. If you asked some man about teen-aged girls and he
said that it was not normal to admire their fine bodies and fresh looks, then
the guy you asked was either gay or defective in some way.
Galen Hekhuis
I'm not the guy she asked, although many might claim I'm pretty
defective, so my ideas may not count for much. I'd liken it to this:
It's pretty normal to take a leak, it's a normal bodily function.
However, if you were to take a leak in someone's living room, most
folks would say such behavior is not normal, even though it is a
normal bodily function. Finding "pretty teen-aged girls sexually
attractive" might be considered "normal" for an instant, but as soon
as the guy notices how young they are, he should just as quickly
realize that he is lusting after children, and that isn't hardly
normal. Of course there are exceptions, such as where the guy in
question is very close in age to the object of his attraction. Or
perhaps the teen-aged girl is actually nineteen, going on twenty,
still technically a "teen-ager" but just barely. So I guess if you
consider taking a leak in someone's living room "normal" you could
probably say the same about being attracted to young girls.
Galen Hekhuis
ghek...@earthlink.net
Ray Fischer
>>... its normal for guys to find pretty teen-aged girls
>> sexually attractive.
>
>It isn't.
Really?!? Says who?
--
Ray Fischer
rfis...@sonic.net
james g. keegan jr.
news:9tidnSaq697uZsfV...@comcast.com:
> "Yang, AthD (h.c)" <eacmole@/*AWOLBUSH*/mail.com> wrote in message
> news:uful54plor8lh7bcl...@4ax.com...
>> Yep, that vaunted Republican moral superiority
>
> Yep, that dishonest Liberal ability to lie.
you have been accurately called many things, liar bobby, but "liberal" was
never one of those things.
--
"You tried to steal the identity of a James G. Keegan Jr. who did in
fact author a book, and you're trying to convince people that you are
the same person." -- corrupt prison clerk heishman lying as "Osprey"
in an effort to cover-up his earlier lie that i was not an author
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Sonnova
(in article <dk4m54l2j7eaq2vb8...@4ax.com>):
> On Thu, 19 Jun 2008 19:06:04 -0700, Sonnova
> <son...@audiosanatorium.com> wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 19 Jun 2008 14:23:21 -0700, Gwen Bennet wrote
>> (in article
>> <69a2c61a-2dbb-41f0...@2g2000hsn.googlegroups.com>):
>>
>>> On Jun 19, 4:18 pm, Sonnova <sonn...@audiosanatorium.com> wrote:
>>>> ... its normal for guys to find pretty teen-aged girls
>>>> sexually attractive.
>>>
>>> It isn't.
>>
>> Sorry lady, but you don't have the correct hormones to judge what is normal
>> for a man and what isn't. If you asked some man about teen-aged girls and
>> he
>> said that it was not normal to admire their fine bodies and fresh looks,
>> then
>> the guy you asked was either gay or defective in some way.
>
> I'm not the guy she asked, although many might claim I'm pretty
> defective, so my ideas may not count for much. I'd liken it to this:
> It's pretty normal to take a leak, it's a normal bodily function.
> However, if you were to take a leak in someone's living room, most
> folks would say such behavior is not normal, even though it is a
> normal bodily function.
True but irrelevant. To make your analogy relevant, it would have to be
something akin to: "I'm in your living room and I need to take a leak, but
I'm not going to do it here because I was taught that it would be
unacceptable behavior, so I''ll ask where the bathroom is."
> Finding "pretty teen-aged girls sexually
> attractive" might be considered "normal" for an instant, but as soon
> as the guy notices how young they are, he should just as quickly
> realize that he is lusting after children, and that isn't hardly
> normal.
Now that would depend, wouldn't it. I'm not suggesting that one should lust
after 14 year-olds, but 16 year-olds are another story.
Of course there are exceptions, such as where the guy in
> question is very close in age to the object of his attraction. Or
> perhaps the teen-aged girl is actually nineteen, going on twenty,
> still technically a "teen-ager" but just barely. So I guess if you
> consider taking a leak in someone's living room "normal" you could
> probably say the same about being attracted to young girls.
Actually, I was talking about being attracted to young women which is what
physically mature teen-age high-school girls are. And I will guarantee that
regardless of one's age, one rarely thinks about the age of the young women
when girl-watching at the beach. If you do, there's something wrong with you.
There is no law against looking, and as long as all you do is cast an
appreciative eye, then there are no moral or legal bounds being crossed.
Sonnova
(in article <485b194b$0$17146$742e...@news.sonic.net>):
> Gwen Bennet <bennetw...@post.com> wrote:
>> Sonnova <sonn...@audiosanatorium.com> wrote:
>
>>> ... its normal for guys to find pretty teen-aged girls
>>> sexually attractive.
>>
>> It isn't.
>
> Really?!? Says who?
>
>
That's what I'd like to know. Because I've never met straight guy that didn't
cast an appreciative eye toward beautiful high-shool girl and rarer still is
one who didn't bring her to the attention of his buds.
Ray Fischer
>On Thu, 19 Jun 2008 19:06:04 -0700, Sonnova
><son...@audiosanatorium.com> wrote:
>
>>On Thu, 19 Jun 2008 14:23:21 -0700, Gwen Bennet wrote
>>(in article
>><69a2c61a-2dbb-41f0...@2g2000hsn.googlegroups.com>):
>>
>>> On Jun 19, 4:18 pm, Sonnova <sonn...@audiosanatorium.com> wrote:
>>>> ... its normal for guys to find pretty teen-aged girls
>>>> sexually attractive.
>>>
>>> It isn't.
>>
>>Sorry lady, but you don't have the correct hormones to judge what is normal
>>for a man and what isn't. If you asked some man about teen-aged girls and he
>>said that it was not normal to admire their fine bodies and fresh looks, then
>>the guy you asked was either gay or defective in some way.
>
>I'm not the guy she asked, although many might claim I'm pretty
>defective, so my ideas may not count for much. I'd liken it to this:
>It's pretty normal to take a leak, it's a normal bodily function.
>However, if you were to take a leak in someone's living room, most
>folks would say such behavior is not normal, even though it is a
>normal bodily function.
That makes no sense.
I'd like to have $1,000,000. Just like a lot of other people.
Doesn't mean that I'm going to steal it.
--
Ray Fischer
rfis...@sonic.net
Gwen
> Gwen Bennet <bennetwitho...@post.com> wrote:
>
> > Sonnova <sonn...@audiosanatorium.com> wrote:
> >>... its normal for guys to find pretty teen-aged girls
> >> sexually attractive.
>
> >It isn't.
>
> Really?!? Says who?
What would a grown man find attractive about a 13 year old child?
Or a pre-teen child, for that matter, that might look older?
> --
> Ray Fischer
> rfisc...@sonic.net
Gwen
> On Thu, 19 Jun 2008 19:43:23 -0700, Ray Fischer wrote
>
> > Gwen Bennet <bennetwitho...@post.com> wrote:
> >> Sonnova <sonn...@audiosanatorium.com> wrote:
>
> >>> ... its normal for guys to find pretty teen-aged girls
> >>> sexually attractive.
>
> >> It isn't.
>
> > Really?!? Says who?
>
> That's what I'd like to know. Because I've never met straight guy that didn't
> cast an appreciative eye toward beautiful high-shool girl and rarer still is
> one who didn't bring her to the attention of his buds.
There's a big difference between 13 and 18.
Gwen
> Galen Hekhuis <ghekh...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> >On Thu, 19 Jun 2008 19:06:04 -0700, Sonnova
> ><sonn...@audiosanatorium.com> wrote:
>
> >>On Thu, 19 Jun 2008 14:23:21 -0700, Gwen Bennet wrote
> >>(in article
>
> >>> On Jun 19, 4:18 pm, Sonnova <sonn...@audiosanatorium.com> wrote:
> >>>> ... its normal for guys to find pretty teen-aged girls
> >>>> sexually attractive.
>
> >>> It isn't.
>
> >>Sorry lady, but you don't have the correct hormones to judge what is normal
> >>for a man and what isn't. If you asked some man about teen-aged girls and he
> >>said that it was not normal to admire their fine bodies and fresh looks, then
> >>the guy you asked was either gay or defective in some way.
>
> >I'm not the guy she asked, although many might claim I'm pretty
> >defective, so my ideas may not count for much. I'd liken it to this:
> >It's pretty normal to take a leak, it's a normal bodily function.
> >However, if you were to take a leak in someone's living room, most
> >folks would say such behavior is not normal, even though it is a
> >normal bodily function.
>
> That makes no sense.
>
> I'd like to have $1,000,000. Just like a lot of other people.
> Doesn't mean that I'm going to steal it.
You wouldn't want somebody like pervert Osprey drooling over your
daughters, that's for sure.
> --
> Ray Fischer
> rfisc...@sonic.net - Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
Gwen
> "SeahawkFan" <deseahawk...@hotmail.com> wrote innews:9tidnSaq697uZsfV...@comcast.com:
>
> > "Yang, AthD (h.c)" <eacmole@/*AWOLBUSH*/mail.com> wrote in message
> >news:uful54plor8lh7bcl...@4ax.com...
> >> Yep, that vaunted Republican moral superiority
>
> > Yep, that dishonest Liberal ability to lie.
>
> you have been accurately called many things, liar bobby, but "liberal" was
> never one of those things.
He's a liberal, in many ways, but that doesn't mean he's immuned to
misrepresenting himself.
Ray Fischer
> rfisc...@sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote:
>> Gwen Bennet <bennetwitho...@post.com> wrote:
>> > Sonnova <sonn...@audiosanatorium.com> wrote:
>> >>... its normal for guys to find pretty teen-aged girls
>> >> sexually attractive.
>>
>> >It isn't.
>>
>> Really?!? Says who?
>
>What would a grown man find attractive about a 13 year old child?
Don't start playing dishonest games with me. That is all YOUR strawman.
>Or a pre-teen child,
So now you're trying to pretend that a "pre-teen child" is the same as
an 18-year-old?
Pretty pathetic.
--
Ray Fischer
rfis...@sonic.net
Gwen Bennet
> Gwen <bennetwitho...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > rfisc...@sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote:
> >> Gwen Bennet <bennetwitho...@post.com> wrote:
> >> > Sonnova <sonn...@audiosanatorium.com> wrote:
> >> >>... its normal for guys to find pretty teen-aged girls
> >> >> sexually attractive.
>
> >> >It isn't.
>
> >> Really?!? Says who?
>
> >What would a grown man find attractive about a 13 year old child?
>
> Don't start playing dishonest games with me.
Had you said "18 year olds," I'd have no qualms, although I should,
but they are legal adults...nothing can be said there.
>That is all YOUR strawman.
> >Or a pre-teen child,
>
> So now you're trying to pretend that a "pre-teen child" is the same as
> an 18-year-old?
No. Not at all - and you know that. I've already said there's a
difference between a 13 year old and an 18 year old(sometimes not in
appearances, not the point, though), in another post...and made an
entirely different statement about pre-teen children, the same group
to which Sonnova referred, in the first place. (Some of us don't see
the difference between a pre-teen and a 13 year old; and of course an
18 year old is legally an adult and an entirely different situation.)
> Pretty pathetic.
It's pretty pathetic for you to think I'd class you under the same
catergory as perverts like J Young.
> --
> Ray Fischer
> rfisc...@sonic.net
Ray Fischer
>On Jun 20, 5:31 am, rfisc...@sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote:
>> Gwen <bennetwitho...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > rfisc...@sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote:
>> >> Gwen Bennet <bennetwitho...@post.com> wrote:
>> >> > Sonnova <sonn...@audiosanatorium.com> wrote:
>> >> >>... its normal for guys to find pretty teen-aged girls
>> >> >> sexually attractive.
>>
>> >> >It isn't.
>>
>> >> Really?!? Says who?
>>
>> >What would a grown man find attractive about a 13 year old child?
>>
>> Don't start playing dishonest games with me.
>
>Had you said "18 year olds," I'd have no qualms, although I should,
Had I said "13-year-olds" YOU might have had a point.
As it is, you're obviously just playing games.
>> >Or a pre-teen child,
>>
>> So now you're trying to pretend that a "pre-teen child" is the same as
>> an 18-year-old?
>
>No. Not at all - and you know that.
Then why'd you bring it up?
--
Ray Fischer
rfis...@sonic.net
Gwen Bennet
> Gwen Bennet <bennetwitho...@post.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> >On Jun 20, 5:31 am, rfisc...@sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote:
> >> Gwen <bennetwitho...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> > rfisc...@sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote:
> >> >> Gwen Bennet <bennetwitho...@post.com> wrote:
> >> >> > Sonnova <sonn...@audiosanatorium.com> wrote:
> >> >> >>... its normal for guys to find pretty teen-aged girls
> >> >> >> sexually attractive.
>
> >> >> >It isn't.
>
> >> >> Really?!? Says who?
>
> >> >What would a grown man find attractive about a 13 year old child?
>
> >> Don't start playing dishonest games with me.
>
> >Had you said "18 year olds," I'd have no qualms, although I should,
>
> Had I said "13-year-olds" YOU might have had a point.
You didn't make yourself clear, either way.
> As it is, you're obviously just playing games.
Oh, nonsense.
> >> >Or a pre-teen child,
>
> >> So now you're trying to pretend that a "pre-teen child" is the same as
> >> an 18-year-old?
>
> >No. Not at all - and you know that.
>
> Then why'd you bring it up?
Your comment?
Alex W.
"Gwen" <bennetw...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:a06170e2-893e-43a7...@z66g2000hsc.googlegroups.com...
There's a big difference between 13 and 18.
==============
Socially rather than biologically.
What's more, the current trend is for an ever-earlier sexualisation of
children. It is rank hypocrisy to blame men for looking when we allow a
13-year-old to wear make-up and dress like a grown woman. If a woman wants
a push-up bra, that's fine -- but either stop middle school girls from doing
the same or stop complaining when this sort of behavuiour attracts the
attention of those who these fashions were *designed* to attract.
Gwen Bennet
On Jun 20, 7:28 am, "Alex W." <ing...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> "Gwen" <bennetwitho...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:a06170e2-893e-43a7...@z66g2000hsc.googlegroups.com...
>
> There's a big difference between 13 and 18.
>
> ==============
>
> Socially rather than biologically.
>
> What's more, the current trend is for an ever-earlier sexualisation of
> children. It is rank hypocrisy to blame men for looking when we allow a
> 13-year-old to wear make-up and dress like a grown woman.
Personally, I don't blame men for anything. It's an all-around
problem. And I'll also agree that society, in general, has contributed
to the sexualization of girls of this age, but adults should know
better.
> If a woman wants
> a push-up bra, that's fine -- but either stop middle school girls from doing
> the same or stop complaining when this sort of behavuiour attracts the
> attention of those who these fashions were *designed* to attract.
Adults SHOULD know better.
Ray Fischer
> rfisc...@sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote:
>> Gwen Bennet <bennetwitho...@post.com> wrote:
>> >On Jun 20, 5:31 am, rfisc...@sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote:
>> >> Gwen <bennetwitho...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> > rfisc...@sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote:
>> >> >> Gwen Bennet <bennetwitho...@post.com> wrote:
>> >> >> > Sonnova <sonn...@audiosanatorium.com> wrote:
>> >> >> >>... its normal for guys to find pretty teen-aged girls
>> >> >> >> sexually attractive.
>>
>> >> >> >It isn't.
>>
>> >> >> Really?!? Says who?
>>
>> >> >What would a grown man find attractive about a 13 year old child?
>>
>> >> Don't start playing dishonest games with me.
>>
>> >Had you said "18 year olds," I'd have no qualms, although I should,
>>
>> Had I said "13-year-olds" YOU might have had a point.
>
>You didn't make yourself clear, either way.
I am sorry that you're so stupid as to think that the subject was
13-year-old girls instead the more obvious 16 to 19 year olds. I know
of very few 13-year-old girls who are in high school.
>> >> >Or a pre-teen child,
>>
>> >> So now you're trying to pretend that a "pre-teen child" is the same as
>> >> an 18-year-old?
>>
>> >No. Not at all - and you know that.
>>
>> Then why'd you bring it up?
>
>Your comment?
No, I made no mentions of pre-teens. That was yours.
--
Ray Fischer
rfis...@sonic.net
The Chief Instigator
True, but there are those at 13 who look like they're 18...as my wife can
attest to, when one of our friends asked her daughter out, thinking she was
18 - only to find out that she was twelve. (The 20th anniversary of that
incident is a couple of weeks ahead.)
Galen Hekhuis
It is legal and socially acceptable to have $1,000,000. Stealing it
is not the only way to attain such an amount, there are plenty of
legal ways. Being sexually attracted to underage girls may not be
illegal per se, but any attempt to act on that sexual attraction for
the underaged may result in a host of illegal deeds. There is
virtually no legal way for an adult to express such sexual attraction
for children, unlike the "attraction" one might feel for $1,000,000.
Galen Hekhuis
ghek...@earthlink.net
Alex W.
"Gwen Bennet" <bennetw...@post.com> wrote in message
news:f3fc66d7-2c36-4e04...@c65g2000hsa.googlegroups.com...
Adults usually DO know better. A man looks but does not touch. The number
of men who take that unacceptable step too far is vanishingly small.
Alex W.
"Galen Hekhuis" <ghek...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:dk4m54l2j7eaq2vb8...@4ax.com...
> I'm not the guy she asked, although many might claim I'm pretty
> defective, so my ideas may not count for much. I'd liken it to this:
> It's pretty normal to take a leak, it's a normal bodily function.
> However, if you were to take a leak in someone's living room, most
> folks would say such behavior is not normal, even though it is a
> normal bodily function. Finding "pretty teen-aged girls sexually
> attractive" might be considered "normal" for an instant, but as soon
> as the guy notices how young they are, he should just as quickly
> realize that he is lusting after children, and that isn't hardly
> normal. Of course there are exceptions, such as where the guy in
> question is very close in age to the object of his attraction. Or
> perhaps the teen-aged girl is actually nineteen, going on twenty,
> still technically a "teen-ager" but just barely. So I guess if you
> consider taking a leak in someone's living room "normal" you could
> probably say the same about being attracted to young girls.
"Young girls" is such an emotive term, isn't it?
Stop thinking in terms of social mores and artificial legalities (age of
consent etc); instead, consider biology.
With menarche, a girl is physically fertile (average age in the US: around
12.5 years). Throw in a couple of years for puberty to do its job --
widening of pelvis, growth of uterus etc. At that stage, she enters a state
called nubility and has become, at least in strictly reproductive terms,
fully functional. This includes sending out all the right signals,
willy-nilly -- it's pure biology. Just as it is pure instinct for us men to
pick up on those signals. Whether we do or do act upon this reproductive
come-on, and whether we as a society do or do not tolerate mature men acting
on these signals is determined by social constraints: in our time and place,
we tolerate a 16-year-old boy fooling around with our daughter, but not a
30-year-old. In other cultures and times, rules were different.
Biologically speaking, it's all the same -- procreation rules.
Galen Hekhuis
>Gwen Bennet <bennetw...@post.com> wrote:
>> rfisc...@sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote:
>>> Gwen Bennet <bennetwitho...@post.com> wrote:
>>> >On Jun 20, 5:31 am, rfisc...@sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote:
>>> >> Gwen <bennetwitho...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> >> > rfisc...@sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote:
>>> >> >> Gwen Bennet <bennetwitho...@post.com> wrote:
>>> >> >> > Sonnova <sonn...@audiosanatorium.com> wrote:
>>> >> >> >>... its normal for guys to find pretty teen-aged girls
>>> >> >> >> sexually attractive.
>>>
>>> >> >> >It isn't.
>>>
>>> >> >> Really?!? Says who?
>>>
>>> >> >What would a grown man find attractive about a 13 year old child?
>>>
>>> >> Don't start playing dishonest games with me.
>>>
>>> >Had you said "18 year olds," I'd have no qualms, although I should,
>>>
>>> Had I said "13-year-olds" YOU might have had a point.
>>
>>You didn't make yourself clear, either way.
>
>I am sorry that you're so stupid as to think that the subject was
>13-year-old girls instead the more obvious 16 to 19 year olds. I know
>of very few 13-year-old girls who are in high school.
I was 13 when I went to (a four year public) high school in San
Antonio, Texas. So were a number of my female classmates. Granted,
many (most) of the seniors were 17 or 18, many of the juniors were 17
or 16, many of the sophmores were 16 or 15, and many of the freshmen
were 15 or 14. But it wasn't hard to enter the school system a year
early (or a year late, for that matter), especially if you were a
"service brat," as I and many of my classmates were. That would make
a 13 year old high shcool student not uncommon at all where I went to
school.
>>> >> >Or a pre-teen child,
>>>
>>> >> So now you're trying to pretend that a "pre-teen child" is the same as
>>> >> an 18-year-old?
>>>
>>> >No. Not at all - and you know that.
>>>
>>> Then why'd you bring it up?
>>
>>Your comment?
>
>No, I made no mentions of pre-teens. That was yours.
Galen Hekhuis
ghek...@earthlink.net
Galen Hekhuis
wrote:
I can only hope to be around should you present such an argument to a
judge and jury or perhaps the parents of the female who is the object
of such sexual attraction.
Galen Hekhuis
ghek...@earthlink.net
Sonnova
(in article
<cc9117b8-9c38-4b65...@c65g2000hsa.googlegroups.com>):
As long as he drooled at arm's length, I wouldn't care. That's his business.
Now if he made a move to touch my daughter(s) or to get into their lives
(like a stalker, for instance) that would be a different matter altogether.
Sonnova
(in article <6c1rj0F...@mid.individual.net>):
Exactly! Nature wants nubile young women to be sexually attractive at an
early age because youth is better able to successfully carry offspring to
term. We tend to think that our modern society has superseded nature, but the
truth is that we are a fairly young species and not too long ago we had
extremely short life-spans. It was important for young women and young men to
mate early so that they would have the 15 or 16 years necessary to raise a
child. Young women, under the age of 18, and past puberty, are generally at
the height of their sexual allure. Their bodies are the most toned and
perfect as they will ever be, and as the previous poster said, they are
giving off all the right signals. Men of all ages cannot help responding to
them on a basic sexual level - and do. The line is drawn by society, not by
nature. I make no excuses about finding nubile teen-aged girls very
attractive, physically. They are. However, protected from me on several
levels. The first of course is the law. The second is social acceptance, the
third is that on a personal and intellectual level, I would have nothing in
common with someone of that age and after the carnal part of the
relationship, would find such a young woman deadly dull, even silly.
Fourthly, and possibly most important of all, such a Sweet Young Thing would,
almost assuredly, find somebody my age to be an "old man" (as, indeed, she
would find most guys over 30) and would not reciprocate any overtures that
older men might make toward her. This being the case, I and millions of guys
like me all over the western world, just quietly appreciate these lovely
young girls from a distance, and let it go at that.
Sonnova
(in article <iden541jok68mbcb3...@4ax.com>):
You don't seem to get it. There are NO laws against appreciating an
under-age, yet nubile teen-aged girl - from a distance. Therefore, there is
nothing to explain to a judge, jury, or parents. Imagine a world where an
old fart such as myself couldn't enjoy, for instance, watching a bunch of
pretty young women playing volleyball on a beach while scantily clad in
bikinis. I wouldn't want to live in such a world! <G>
Sonnova
(in article
<a06170e2-893e-43a7...@z66g2000hsc.googlegroups.com>):
Who's talking about 13? 13 year olds, generally speaking, are barely into
puberty and are still children. I'm talking about NUBILE teenage girls, and
I'm talking about looking (or even drooling, on occasion) not touching.
Touching is verboten!
Sonnova
(in article
<421da4ce-5982-402e...@m44g2000hsc.googlegroups.com>):
> On Jun 19, 9:43 pm, rfisc...@sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote:
>> Gwen Bennet <bennetwitho...@post.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Sonnova <sonn...@audiosanatorium.com> wrote:
>>>> ... its normal for guys to find pretty teen-aged girls
>>>> sexually attractive.
>>
>>> It isn't.
>>
>> Really?!? Says who?
>
> What would a grown man find attractive about a 13 year old child?
Nothing. But then nobody's talking about a 13-year old, or a 14-year old
>
> Or a pre-teen child, for that matter, that might look older?
Nobody's talking about a pre-teen either. What part of "high-school girl"
don't you understand? High-school is the 10th through the 12th grade
(usually). That's 16 trough 18.
Galen Hekhuis
I take it then, that you wouldn't be bothered by some crusty old man
hanging around the schoolyard fence drooling at your daughter as long
as he didn't "stalk" her or something. Or perhaps you meant that a
stalker of underage females wouldn't bother you as long as *your*
daughter were not involved.
For example, I don't find right wing extremist females sexually
attractive at all, no matter what her body may look like. I can't
speak for all males obviously, but for me, sexual attractiveness
includes knowing something about the object of my attractions, even if
only a little. I would suggest that many men are like this. As
evidence I submit that many men at nudist colonies are pleasantly
relieved that the mere sight of an "attractive," naked female body
does not result in an uncontrolled and/or unwanted physical reaction
(erection) yet the males still remain unchanged as to what they find
sexually attractive. In any event, if she were to extol the virtues
of torture, or perhaps John Mc Cain, I would find that an instant
"soft-off." Likewise if I were to find out the "knockout" were 13.
I won't deny that many female teenagers look much older, and may be
"well-developed" and all that. I won't deny that some are indeed
"legal." I won't deny that some men are sexually attracted to such
females. But to claim that most, or even many, men are sexually
attracted to teenagers in general and then to also claim that is
"normal" I think just goes way too far.
Galen Hekhuis
ghek...@earthlink.net
Gwen Bennet
> Gwen Bennet <bennetwitho...@post.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > rfisc...@sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote:
> >> Gwen Bennet <bennetwitho...@post.com> wrote:
> >> >On Jun 20, 5:31 am, rfisc...@sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote:
> >> >> Gwen <bennetwitho...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >> > rfisc...@sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote:
> >> >> >> Gwen Bennet <bennetwitho...@post.com> wrote:
> >> >> >> > Sonnova <sonn...@audiosanatorium.com> wrote:
> >> >> >> >>... its normal for guys to find pretty teen-aged girls
> >> >> >> >> sexually attractive.
>
> >> >> >> >It isn't.
>
> >> >> >> Really?!? Says who?
>
> >> >> >What would a grown man find attractive about a 13 year old child?
>
> >> >> Don't start playing dishonest games with me.
>
> >> >Had you said "18 year olds," I'd have no qualms, although I should,
>
> >> Had I said "13-year-olds" YOU might have had a point.
>
> >You didn't make yourself clear, either way.
>
> I am sorry that you're so stupid
That's utterly unnecessary.
> as to think that the subject was
> 13-year-old girls
From 13-17, anyway.
> instead the more obvious 16 to 19 year olds.
How am I, the reader, supposed to read these people's minds?
> I know
> of very few 13-year-old girls who are in high school.
I don't know of any who made it to high school a year or so
earlier...but I know that there are a few in high school,
nevertheless. Anyway, their level in school is NOT the issue...
> >> >> >Or a pre-teen child,
>
> >> >> So now you're trying to pretend that a "pre-teen child" is the same as
> >> >> an 18-year-old?
>
> >> >No. Not at all - and you know that.
>
> >> Then why'd you bring it up?
>
> >Your comment?
>
> No, I made no mentions of pre-teens.
But you did respond to my post.
>That was yours.
I didn't say the pre-teen part was yours. I already explained whose it
was and from where it was derived.
Gwen Bennet
> On Fri, 20 Jun 2008 03:10:14 -0700, Gwen wrote
> (in article
>
> > On Jun 19, 9:43 pm, rfisc...@sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote:
> >> Gwen Bennet <bennetwitho...@post.com> wrote:
>
> >>> Sonnova <sonn...@audiosanatorium.com> wrote:
> >>>> ... its normal for guys to find pretty teen-aged girls
> >>>> sexually attractive.
>
> >>> It isn't.
>
> >> Really?!? Says who?
>
> > What would a grown man find attractive about a 13 year old child?
>
> Nothing. But then nobody's talking about a 13-year old, or a 14-year old
"Pretty teen-aged girls."
Alex W.
Any parent who is unaware of the attraction of their daughter is not fit for
the job.
Sonnova
(in article <c3mn54l81d3h7up7p...@4ax.com>):
Why be a jerk about this? You know precisely what I mean, and you know it.
Bringing wildly hypothetical extremist examples into the discussion just to
obfuscate the point is hardly helpful.
>
> For example, I don't find right wing extremist females sexually
> attractive at all, no matter what her body may look like.
You can't possibly hate right-wingers as much as I hate Liberals. I think you
are all TRAITORS and should be lined up against a wall and shot! There how do
you like that for needlessly offensive posting?
I can't
> speak for all males obviously, but for me, sexual attractiveness
> includes knowing something about the object of my attractions, even if
> only a little.
Whatta Jerk! So a pretty girl's beauty doesn't affect you, eh? 1) I don't for
a moment believe you, and 2) if by some chance you are telling the truth,
then you are as defective as your politics.
> I would suggest that many men are like this. As
> evidence I submit that many men at nudist colonies are pleasantly
> relieved that the mere sight of an "attractive," naked female body
> does not result in an uncontrolled and/or unwanted physical reaction
> (erection) yet the males still remain unchanged as to what they find
> sexually attractive. In any event, if she were to extol the virtues
> of torture, or perhaps John Mc Cain, I would find that an instant
> "soft-off." Likewise if I were to find out the "knockout" were 13.
>
> I won't deny that many female teenagers look much older, and may be
> "well-developed" and all that. I won't deny that some are indeed
> "legal." I won't deny that some men are sexually attracted to such
> females. But to claim that most, or even many, men are sexually
> attracted to teenagers in general and then to also claim that is
> "normal" I think just goes way too far.
I think you are an idiot.
Sonnova
(in article
<1ae2476f-114a-46ef...@j22g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>):
The original post was about HIGH-SCHOOL girls. Youi should know, you started
it.
Alex W.
"Sonnova" <son...@audiosanatorium.com> wrote in message
news:0001HW.C4812AB2...@news.comcast.net...
What's more, firms these days actively try to capitalise on this instinct
through the use of young nubile women. These models may be legally of age,
but they sure are made up to look younger.
And let's not even go into pop music where someone like Britney Spears can
sell records by the million through a careful selection of wardrobe (cue
short-skirted school uniform and cheerleader outfits).
BOB
news:0001HW.C48143DD...@news.comcast.net:
Well, I, for one, think that Galen is 100% correct and that you are the
idiot, Sonofafemaledog.
>
Galen Hekhuis
<son...@audiosanatorium.com> wrote:
>Why be a jerk about this? You know precisely what I mean, and you know it.
>Bringing wildly hypothetical extremist examples into the discussion just to
>obfuscate the point is hardly helpful.
Of course I know what you *mean*, I wonder if you understand the
implications of what you say. And I reject the notion that any of the
examples I mention are either extremist or hypothetical. They are
realities that people deal with every day.
>You can't possibly hate right-wingers as much as I hate Liberals. I think you
>are all TRAITORS and should be lined up against a wall and shot! There how do
>you like that for needlessly offensive posting?
That's pretty needlessly offensive, I'll admit.
>Whatta Jerk! So a pretty girl's beauty doesn't affect you, eh?
I didn't say that, did I? It does make a pretty nifty springboard for
your conclusions, however. If you're into that sort of thing.
>1) I don't for
>a moment believe you, and 2) if by some chance you are telling the truth,
>then you are as defective as your politics.
>I think you are an idiot.
I'm sure the feeling is mutual.
Galen Hekhuis
ghek...@earthlink.net
Robert
<son...@audiosanatorium.com> wrote:
>On Thu, 19 Jun 2008 14:23:21 -0700, Gwen Bennet wrote
>(in article
><69a2c61a-2dbb-41f0...@2g2000hsn.googlegroups.com>):
>
>> On Jun 19, 4:18 pm, Sonnova <sonn...@audiosanatorium.com> wrote:
>>> ... its normal for guys to find pretty teen-aged girls
>>> sexually attractive.
>>
>> It isn't.
>
>Sorry lady, but you don't have the correct hormones to judge what is normal
>for a man and what isn't. If you asked some man about teen-aged girls and he
>said that it was not normal to admire their fine bodies and fresh looks, then
>the guy you asked was either gay or defective in some way.
Or just politically correct? No way that I am going to admit to being
attracted to another woman, age not being a factor. Peace at home is
the objective.
** Posted from http://www.teranews.com **
The Chief Instigator
Try 15 through 17, in most cases, in the three-year high schools...and 14
through 17 in the four-year ones. (I was 16 until the last week and a half
of my senior year, but that was because I'd done second and third grade in
Tulsa in the same year - which would have been the 1962-63 school year.)
elizabeth
snip
> >> You wouldn't want somebody like pervert Osprey drooling over your
> >> daughters, that's for sure.
>
> >As long as he drooled at arm's length, I wouldn't care. That's his business.
> >Now if he made a move to touch my daughter(s) or to get into their lives
> >(like a stalker, for instance) that would be a different matter altogether.
>
> I take it then, that you wouldn't be bothered by some crusty old man
> hanging around the schoolyard fence drooling at your daughter as long
> as he didn't "stalk" her or something. Or perhaps you meant that a
> stalker of underage females wouldn't bother you as long as *your*
> daughter were not involved.
"oh, that's different" . . . a lot of men see sex offenses as property
crime. It's only a crime if someone does it to one of "your"
women . . . all other women are Fair Game. The idea that we are all
someone's daughter doesn't seem to matter. the flip side of chivalry
is that a woman who is not "deserving" of protection is a target.
> For example, I don't find right wing extremist females sexually
> attractive at all, no matter what her body may look like. I can't
> speak for all males obviously, but for me, sexual attractiveness
> includes knowing something about the object of my attractions, even if
> only a little. I would suggest that many men are like this. As
> evidence I submit that many men at nudist colonies are pleasantly
> relieved that the mere sight of an "attractive," naked female body
> does not result in an uncontrolled and/or unwanted physical reaction
> (erection) yet the males still remain unchanged as to what they find
> sexually attractive. In any event, if she were to extol the virtues
> of torture, or perhaps John Mc Cain, I would find that an instant
> "soft-off." Likewise if I were to find out the "knockout" were 13.
>
> I won't deny that many female teenagers look much older, and may be
> "well-developed" and all that. I won't deny that some are indeed
> "legal." I won't deny that some men are sexually attracted to such
> females. But to claim that most, or even many, men are sexually
> attracted to teenagers in general and then to also claim that is
> "normal" I think just goes way too far.
Pervs always do this, so do criminals, they use the "everybody does
it" excuse rather than admit what they are.
> Galen Hekhuis
> ghekh...@earthlink.net- Hide quoted text -
Sonnova
(in article <Xns9AC375...@69.28.173.184>):
> Sonnova <son...@audiosanatorium.com> wrote in
> news:0001HW.C48143DD...@news.comcast.net:
>
>> On Fri, 20 Jun 2008 10:04:52 -0700, Galen Hekhuis wrote
>> (in article <c3mn54l81d3h7up7p...@4ax.com>):
>>
>>> On Fri, 20 Jun 2008 09:10:26 -0700, Sonnova
>>> <son...@audiosanatorium.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Fri, 20 Jun 2008 03:21:29 -0700, Gwen wrote
>>>> (in article
>>>> <cc9117b8-9c38-4b65...@c65g2000hsa.googlegroups.com>):
>>>>
>>>>> On Jun 20, 3:12 am, rfisc...@sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote:
>>>>>> Galen Hekhuis <ghekh...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Thu, 19 Jun 2008 19:06:04 -0700, Sonnova
>>>>>>> <sonn...@audiosanatorium.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Thu, 19 Jun 2008 14:23:21 -0700, Gwen Bennet wrote
>>>>>>>> (in article
>>>>>>>> <69a2c61a-2dbb-41f0-a47c-d6ddb1d72...@2g2000hsn.googlegroups.com>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
Well, there's no accounting for taste, even when you don't have any. :->
Sonnova
(in article <rotn54pgv5inarre6...@4ax.com>):
You already said that it was. No need to repeat yourself.
Sonnova
(in article <jh7o54he7p354aqm6...@4ax.com>):
Understood and I agree. OTOH, being a bachelor, I don't have that particular
constraint.
Ray Fischer
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> >On Thu, 19 Jun 2008 19:06:04 -0700, Sonnova
>> ><sonn...@audiosanatorium.com> wrote:
>>
>> >>On Thu, 19 Jun 2008 14:23:21 -0700, Gwen Bennet wrote
>> >>(in article
>>
>> >>> On Jun 19, 4:18 pm, Sonnova <sonn...@audiosanatorium.com> wrote:
>> >>>> ... its normal for guys to find pretty teen-aged girls
>> >>>> sexually attractive.
>>
>> >>> It isn't.
>>
>> >>Sorry lady, but you don't have the correct hormones to judge what is normal
>> >>for a man and what isn't. If you asked some man about teen-aged girls and he
>> >>said that it was not normal to admire their fine bodies and fresh looks, then
>> >>the guy you asked was either gay or defective in some way.
>>
>> >defective, so my ideas may not count for much. I'd liken it to this:
>> >It's pretty normal to take a leak, it's a normal bodily function.
>> >However, if you were to take a leak in someone's living room, most
>> >folks would say such behavior is not normal, even though it is a
>> >normal bodily function.
>>
>> That makes no sense.
>>
>> I'd like to have $1,000,000. Just like a lot of other people.
>> Doesn't mean that I'm going to steal it.
>
>You wouldn't want somebody like pervert Osprey drooling over your
>daughters, that's for sure.
You cannot control what people think.
--
Ray Fischer
rfis...@sonic.net
Ray Fischer
>On Fri, 20 Jun 2008 11:24:13 -0700, Sonnova
><son...@audiosanatorium.com> wrote:
>
>>Why be a jerk about this? You know precisely what I mean, and you know it.
>>Bringing wildly hypothetical extremist examples into the discussion just to
>>obfuscate the point is hardly helpful.
>
>Of course I know what you *mean*, I wonder if you understand the
>implications of what you say. And I reject the notion that any of the
>examples I mention are either extremist or hypothetical. They are
>realities that people deal with every day.
Are you now taking the side of the thought police?
Is sexual attraction determined by the date on a person's birth
certificate?
--
Ray Fischer
rfis...@sonic.net
Ray Fischer
>On 20 Jun 2008 08:12:07 GMT, rfis...@sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote:
>
>>Galen Hekhuis <ghek...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>>><son...@audiosanatorium.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Thu, 19 Jun 2008 14:23:21 -0700, Gwen Bennet wrote
>>>>(in article
>>>>
>>>>> On Jun 19, 4:18 pm, Sonnova <sonn...@audiosanatorium.com> wrote:
>>>>>> ... its normal for guys to find pretty teen-aged girls
>>>>>> sexually attractive.
>>>>>
>>>>> It isn't.
>>>>
>>>>Sorry lady, but you don't have the correct hormones to judge what is normal
>>>>for a man and what isn't. If you asked some man about teen-aged girls and he
>>>>said that it was not normal to admire their fine bodies and fresh looks, then
>>>>the guy you asked was either gay or defective in some way.
>>>
>>>I'm not the guy she asked, although many might claim I'm pretty
>>>defective, so my ideas may not count for much. I'd liken it to this:
>>>It's pretty normal to take a leak, it's a normal bodily function.
>>>However, if you were to take a leak in someone's living room, most
>>>folks would say such behavior is not normal, even though it is a
>>>normal bodily function.
>>
>>That makes no sense.
>>
>>I'd like to have $1,000,000. Just like a lot of other people.
>>Doesn't mean that I'm going to steal it.
>
>is not the only way to attain such an amount, there are plenty of
>legal ways. Being sexually attracted to underage girls may not be
>illegal per se, but any attempt to act on that sexual attraction for
BZZZT!
Strawman. People have stated quite clearly that this is ONLY about
looking.
--
Ray Fischer
rfis...@sonic.net
Ray Fischer
>On Jun 20, 8:09 am, rfisc...@sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote:
>> Gwen Bennet <bennetwitho...@post.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> > rfisc...@sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote:
>> >> Gwen Bennet <bennetwitho...@post.com> wrote:
>> >> >On Jun 20, 5:31 am, rfisc...@sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote:
>> >> >> Gwen <bennetwitho...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >> > rfisc...@sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote:
>> >> >> >> Gwen Bennet <bennetwitho...@post.com> wrote:
>> >> >> >> > Sonnova <sonn...@audiosanatorium.com> wrote:
>> >> >> >> >>... its normal for guys to find pretty teen-aged girls
>> >> >> >> >> sexually attractive.
>>
>> >> >> >> >It isn't.
>>
>> >> >> >> Really?!? Says who?
>>
>> >> >> >What would a grown man find attractive about a 13 year old child?
>>
>> >> >> Don't start playing dishonest games with me.
>>
>> >> >Had you said "18 year olds," I'd have no qualms, although I should,
>>
>> >> Had I said "13-year-olds" YOU might have had a point.
>>
>> >You didn't make yourself clear, either way.
>>
>> I am sorry that you're so stupid
>
>That's utterly unnecessary.
You're on the verge of accusing people of being pedophiles just for
looking at your women and you NOW decide that MY comment was
unnecessaryt?!?
>> as to think that the subject was
>> 13-year-old girls
>
>From 13-17, anyway.
>
>> instead the more obvious 16 to 19 year olds.
>
>How am I, the reader, supposed to read these people's minds?
Read for context. Maybe my comment wasn't so unnecessary after all.
--
Ray Fischer
rfis...@sonic.net
Galen Hekhuis
Don't be quite so quick with that buzzer. Need I remind you that a
"peeping tom" is also "ONLY about looking"?
People have asserted that it is normal for men to be sexually aroused
by teenagers. Like I have said, I don't deny that 18 and 19 year old
females are of legal age in most places and that some (not all) men
find them sexually attractive. I also do not deny that some 17, 16,
even 15 year old and younger females may indeed look very mature. I
would hope that any older males would find the adult characteristics
sexually attractive, rather than the older males find their sexual
attraction due to the youthful characteristics. Being as how
"teenage" encompasses the years 13-19, I would hope that most men are
not sexually attracted to underage girls. Even if they are "ONLY
about looking."
You have to ask yourself, is it "normal" for men to find adult
characteristics of teenaged females sexually atractive, or is it
actually "normal" for men to find teenaged females (and some of them
are almost children) sexually attractive? There is a vast difference.
Galen Hekhuis
ghek...@earthlink.net
Galen Hekhuis
>Galen Hekhuis <ghek...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>>On Fri, 20 Jun 2008 11:24:13 -0700, Sonnova
>><son...@audiosanatorium.com> wrote:
>>
>>>Why be a jerk about this? You know precisely what I mean, and you know it.
>>>Bringing wildly hypothetical extremist examples into the discussion just to
>>>obfuscate the point is hardly helpful.
>>
>>Of course I know what you *mean*, I wonder if you understand the
>>implications of what you say. And I reject the notion that any of the
>>examples I mention are either extremist or hypothetical. They are
>>realities that people deal with every day.
>
>Are you now taking the side of the thought police?
Being as how there are no "thought police," it is doubtful I could be
taking their side.
>Is sexual attraction determined by the date on a person's birth
>certificate?
In a way, yes. Some societies don't have "birth certificates," per
se, but age is indeed a determining factor in determing what is
appropriate or inappropriate sexual attraction.
Galen Hekhuis
ghek...@earthlink.net
BOB
news:0001HW.C4817C4E...@news.comcast.net:
> On Fri, 20 Jun 2008 11:33:47 -0700, BOB wrote
> (in article <Xns9AC375...@69.28.173.184>):
>
>> Sonnova <son...@audiosanatorium.com> wrote in
>> news:0001HW.C48143DD...@news.comcast.net:
>>
>>> On Fri, 20 Jun 2008 10:04:52 -0700, Galen Hekhuis wrote
>>> (in article <c3mn54l81d3h7up7p...@4ax.com>):
>>>
>>>> On Fri, 20 Jun 2008 09:10:26 -0700, Sonnova
>>>> <son...@audiosanatorium.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, 20 Jun 2008 03:21:29 -0700, Gwen wrote
>>>>> (in article
>>>>> <cc9117b8-9c38-4b65-8788-a0bff1c5a782
That sounds a lot like self-criticism to me, Sonofafemaledog.
>
Ray Fischer
> rfis...@sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote:
>>Galen Hekhuis <ghek...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>>>On Fri, 20 Jun 2008 11:24:13 -0700, Sonnova
>>>>Why be a jerk about this? You know precisely what I mean, and you know it.
>>>>Bringing wildly hypothetical extremist examples into the discussion just to
>>>>obfuscate the point is hardly helpful.
>>>
>>>Of course I know what you *mean*, I wonder if you understand the
>>>implications of what you say. And I reject the notion that any of the
>>>examples I mention are either extremist or hypothetical. They are
>>>realities that people deal with every day.
>>
>>Are you now taking the side of the thought police?
>
>Being as how there are no "thought police," it is doubtful I could be
>taking their side.
Your entire argument seems to be about criticizing people's thoughts.
>>Is sexual attraction determined by the date on a person's birth
>>certificate?
>
>In a way, yes.
You're not usually an idiot.
> Some societies don't have "birth certificates," per
>se, but age is indeed a determining factor in determing what is
>appropriate or inappropriate sexual attraction.
The notion that you decide whether you find somebody sexually
attractive only after you've checked their birth certificate is absurd.
--
Ray Fischer
rfis...@sonic.net
Ray Fischer
It's usually about trespass.
>People have asserted that it is normal for men to be sexually aroused
>by teenagers. Like I have said, I don't deny that 18 and 19 year old
>females are of legal age in most places and that some (not all) men
>find them sexually attractive.
Instead of "some" you should have written "almost all".
> I also do not deny that some 17, 16,
>even 15 year old and younger females may indeed look very mature. I
>would hope that any older males would find the adult characteristics
>sexually attractive, rather than the older males find their sexual
>attraction due to the youthful characteristics.
Humans have several hundred millenia of evolution to create a standard
of attraction that makes young and healthy women attractive. Your
personal standards aren't likely to change that anytime soon.
> Being as how
>"teenage" encompasses the years 13-19, I would hope that most men are
>not sexually attracted to underage girls. Even if they are "ONLY
>about looking."
That's ridiculous. There is no visual cue that would tell you whether
someone is underage. There isn't even a written cue since it depends
upon the locale.
--
Ray Fischer
rfis...@sonic.net
Yang, AthD (h.c)
<deseah...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>"Yang, AthD (h.c)" <eacmole@/*AWOLBUSH*/mail.com> wrote out of
>desperation...
>
>What Yang purposely ignores as he continues to whine, cry, and lie...
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* Republican anti-abortion activist Nicholas Morency pleaded
guilty to possessing child pornography on his computer and offering a
bounty to anybody who murders an abortion doctor.
* Republican campaign consultant Tom Shortridge was sentenced to
three years probation for taking nude photographs of a 15-year old
girl.
* Republican racist pedophile and United States Senator Strom
Thurmond had sex with a 15-year old black girl which produced a child.
* Republican pastor Mike Hintz, whom George W. Bush commended
during the 2004 presidential campaign, surrendered to police after
admitting to a sexual affair with a female juvenile.
* Republican legislator Peter Dibble pleaded no contest to having
an inappropriate relationship with a 13-year-old girl.
* Republican advertising consultant Carey Lee Cramer was sentenced
to six years in prison for molesting two 8-year old girls, one of whom
appeared in an anti-Gore television commercial.
* Republican fundraiser Lawrence E. King, Jr. organized child sex
parties at the White House during the 1980s.
* Republican lobbyist Craig J. Spence organized child sex parties
at the White House during the 1980s.
* Republican Congressman Donald "Buz" Lukens was found guilty of
having sex with a female minor and sentenced to one month in jail.
* Republican fundraiser Richard A. Delgaudio was found guilty of
child porn charges and paying two teenage girls to pose for sexual
photos.
* Republican activist Mark A. Grethen convicted on six counts of
sex crimes involving children.
* Republican campaign chairman Randal David Ankeney pleaded guilty
to attempted sexual assault on a child and was arrested again five
years later on the same charge.
* Republican Congressman Dan Crane had sex with a female minor
working as a congressional page.
* Republican activist and Christian Coalition leader Beverly
Russell admitted to an incestuous relationship with his step daughter.
* Republican Judge Ronald C. Kline pleaded guilty to possession of
child pornography on his home computer.
* Republican congressman and anti-gay activist Robert Bauman was
charged with having sex with a 16-year-old boy he picked up at a gay
bar.
* Republican Committee Chairman Jeffrey Patti was arrested for
distributing a video clip of a 5-year-old girl being raped.
* Republican activist Marty Glickman (a.k.a. "Republican Marty"),
was taken into custody by Florida police on four counts of unlawful
sexual activity with an underage girl and one count of delivering the
drug LSD.
* Republican legislative aide Howard L. Brooks was charged with
molesting a 12-year old boy and possession of child pornography.
* Republican Senate candidate John Hathaway was accused of having
sex with his 12-year old baby sitter and withdrew his candidacy after
the allegations were reported in the media.
* Republican preacher Stephen White, who demanded a return to
traditional values, was sentenced prison after offering $20 to a
14-year-old boy for permission to perform oral sex on him.
* Republican talk show host Jon Matthews pleaded guilty to
exposing his genitals to an 11 year old girl.
* Republican anti-gay activist Earl "Butch" Kimmerling was
sentenced to 40 years in prison for molesting an 8-year old girl after
he attempted to stop a gay couple from adopting her.
* Republican Party leader Paul Ingram pleaded guilty to six counts
of raping his daughters and served 14 years in federal prison.
* Republican election board official Kevin Coan was sentenced to
two years probation for soliciting sex over the internet from a
14-year old girl.
* Republican politician Andrew Buhr was charged with two counts of
first degree sodomy with a 13-year old boy.
* Republican legislator Keith Westmoreland was arrested on seven
felony counts of lewd and lascivious exhibition to girls under the age
of 16 (i.e. exposing himself to children).
* Republican anti-abortion activist John Allen Burt was found
guilty of molesting a 15-year old girl.
* Republican County Councilman Keola Childs pleaded guilty to
molesting a male child.
* Republican activist John Butler was charged with criminal sexual
assault on a teenage girl.
* Republican candidate Richard Gardner admitted to molesting his
two daughters.
* Republican Councilman and former Marine Jack W. Gardner was
convicted of molesting a 13-year old girl.
* Republican County Commissioner Merrill Robert Barter pleaded
guilty to unlawful sexual contact and assault on a teenage boy.
* Republican City Councilman Fred C. Smeltzer, Jr. pleaded no
contest to raping a 15 year-old girl and served 6-months in prison.
* Republican activist Parker J. Bena pleaded guilty to possession
of child pornography on his home computer and was sentenced to 30
months in federal prison and fined $18,000.
* Republican parole board officer and former Colorado state
representative, Larry Jack Schwarz, was fired after child pornography
was found in his possession.
* Republican strategist and Citadel Military College graduate
Robin Vanderwall was convicted in Virginia on five counts of
soliciting sex from boys and girls over the internet.
* Republican city councilman Mark Harris, who is described as a
"good military man" and "church goer," was convicted of repeatedly
having sex with an 11-year-old girl and sentenced to 12 years in
prison.
* Republican businessman Jon Grunseth withdrew his candidacy for
Minnesota governor after allegations surfaced that he went swimming in
the nude with four underage girls, including his daughter.
* Republican campaign worker, police officer and self-proclaimed
reverend Steve Aiken was convicted of having sex with two underage
girls.
* Republican director of the "Young Republican Federation"
Nicholas Elizondo molested his 6-year old daughter and was sentenced
to six years in prison.
* Republican president of the New York City Housing Development
Corp. Russell Harding pleaded guilty to possessing child pornography
on his computer.
* Republican benefactor of conservative Christian groups, Richard
A. Dasen Sr., was found guilty of raping a 15-year old girl. Dasen,
62, who is married with grown children and several grandchildren, has
allegedly told police that over the past decade he paid more than $1
million to have sex with a large number of young women.
* Republican Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld authorized the rape
of children in Iraqi prisons in order to humiliate their parents into
providing information about the anti-American insurgency. See excerpt
of one prisoner's report here and his full report here.
>Sen. Dodd Tied To Special Countrywide Loans
>
>Senate Banking Committee Chairman Christopher Dodd reportedly received two
>mortgages under a special Countrywide Financial Corp. program that gave
>preferential interest rates to "friends" of the company's chairman.
>
>
>William Jefferson Clinton- Impeached by the House of Representatives over
>allegations of perjury and obstruction of justice, but acquitted by the
>Senate. Scandals include Whitewater - Travelgate Gennifer Flowersgate -
>Filegate - Vince Fostergate - Whitewater Billing Recordsgate - Paula
>Jonesgate- Lincoln Bedroomgate - Donations from Convicted Drug and Weapons
>Dealersgate - Lippogate - Chinagate - The Lewinsky Affair - Perjury and Jobs
>for Lewinskygate - Kathleen Willeygate - Web Hubbell Prison Phone Callgate -
>Selling Military Technology to the Chinesegate - Jaunita Broaddrick Gate -
>Lootergate - Pardongate
>
>Edward Moore Kennedy - Democrat - U. S. Senator from Massachusetts. Pleaded
>guilty to leaving the scene of an accident, after his car plunged off a
>bridge on Chappaquiddick Island killing passenger Mary Jo Kopechne.
>
>Barney Frank - Democrat - U.S. Representative from Massachusetts from 1981
>to present. Admitted to having paid Stephen L. Gobie, a male prostitute, for
>sex and subsequently hiring Gobie as his personal assistant. Gobie used the
>congressman's Washington apartment for prostitution. A move to expel Frank
>from the House of Representatives failed and a motion to censure him failed.
>
>DNC - The Federal Election Commission imposed $719,000 in fines against
>participants in the 1996 Democratic Party fundraising scandals involving
>contributions from China, Korea and other foreign sources. The Federal
>Election Commission said it decided to drop cases against contributors of
>more than $3 million in illegal DNC contributions because the respondents
>left the country or the corporations are defunct.
>
>Sandy Berger - Democrat - National Security Advisor during the Clinton
>Administration. Berger became the focus of a criminal investigation after
>removing highly classified terrorism documents and handwritten notes from
>the National Archives during preparations for the Sept. 11 commission
>hearings.
>
>Robert Torricelli - Democrat - Withdrew from the 2002 Senate race with less
>than 30 days before the election because of controversy over personal gifts
>he took from a major campaign donor and questions about campaign donations
>from 1996.
>
>James McGreevey - Democrat - New Jersey Governor . Admitted to having a gay
>affair. Resigned after allegations of sexual harassment, rumors of being
>blackmailed on top of fundraising investigations and indictments.
>
>Jesse Jackson - Democrat - Democratic candidate for President. Admitted to
>having an extramarital affair and fathering a illegitimate child.
>
>Gary Condit - Democrat - US Democratic Congressman from California. Condit
>had an affair with an intern. Condit, covered up the affair and lied to
>police after she went missing. No charges were ever filed against Condit.
>Her remains were discovered in a Washington DC park..
>
>Sowande Ajumoke Omokunde - Democrat - the son of newly elected U.S. Rep.
>Gwen Moore, was booked on charges of criminal damage to property for
>allegedly slashing tires on 20 vans and cars rented by the Republican Party
>for use in Election Day voter turnout efforts.
>
>Daniel David Rostenkowski - Democrat - U.S. Representative from Illinois
>from 1959 to 1995. Indicted on 17 felony charges- pleaded guilty to two
>counts of misuse of public funds and sentenced to seventeen months in
>federal prison.
>
>Melvin Jay Reynolds - U.S. Representative from Illinois from 1993 to 1995.
>Convicted on sexual misconduct and obstruction of justice charges and
>sentenced to five years in prison.
>
>Charles Coles Diggs, Jr. - Democrat - U.S. Representative from Michigan from
>1955 to 1980. Convicted on eleven counts of mail fraud and filing false
>payroll forms- sentenced to three years in prison.
>
>George Rogers - Democrat - Massachusetts State House of Representatives from
>1965 to 1970. M000ember of Massachusetts State Senate from 1975 to 1978.
>Convicted of bribery in 1978 and sentenced to two years in prison.
>
>Don Siegelman - Democrat Governor Alabama - indicted in a bid-rigging scheme
>involving a maternity-care program. The charges accused Siegelman and his
>former chief of staff of helping Tuscaloosa physician Phillip Bobo rig bids.
>Siegelman was accused of moving $550,000 from the state education budget to
>the State Fire College in Tuscaloosa so Bobo could use the money to pay off
>a competitor for a state contract for maternity care.
>
>John Murtha, Jr. - Democrat - U.S. Representative from Pennsylvania.
>Implicated in the Abscam sting, in which FBI agents impersonating Arab
>businessmen offered bribes to political figures; Murtha was cited as an
>unindicted co-conspirator
>
>Gerry Eastman Studds - Democrat - U.S. Representative from Massachusetts
>from 1973 to 1997. The first openly gay member of Congress. Censured by the
>House of Representatives for having sexual relations with a teenage House
>page.
>
>James C. Green - Democrat - North Carolina State House of Representatives
>from 1961 to 1977. Charged with accepting a bribe from an undercover FBI
>agent, but was acquitted. Convicted of tax evasion in 1997.
>
>Frederick Richmond - Democrat - U.S. Representative from New York from 1975
>to 1982. Arrested in Washington, D.C., in 1978 for soliciting sex from a
>minor and from an undercover police officer - pleaded guilty to a
>misdemeanor. Also - charged with tax evasion, marijuana possession, and
>improper payments to a federal employee - pleaded guilty.
>
>Raymond Lederer - Democrat - U.S. Representative from Pennsylvania from 1977
>to 1981. Implicated in the Abscam sting - convicted of bribery and sentenced
>to three years in prison and fined $20,000.
>
>Harrison Arlington Williams, Jr. - Democrat - U.S. Senator from New Jersey
>from 1959 to 1970. Implicated in the Abscam sting. Allegedly accepted an 18%
>interest in a titanium mine. Convicted of nine counts of bribery,
>conspiracy, receiving an unlawful gratuity, conflict of interest, and
>interstate travel in aid of racketeering. Sentenced to three years in prison
>and fined $50,000.
>
>Frank Thompson, Jr. - Democrat - U.S. Representative from New Jersey from
>1955 to 1980. Implicated in the Abscam sting, convicted on bribery and
>conspiracy charges. Sentenced to three years in prison
>
>Michael Joseph Myers - Democrat - U.S. Representative from Pennsylvania from
>1976 to 1980. Implicated in the Abscam sting - convicted of bribery and
>conspiracy; sentenced to three years in prison and fined $20,000; expelled
>from the House of Representatives on October 2, 1980.
>
>John Michael Murphy - Democrat - U.S. Representative from New York from 1963
>to 1981. Implicated in the Abscam sting. Convicted of conspiracy, conflict
>of interest, and accepting an illegal gratuity. Sentenced to three years in
>prison and fined $20,000.
>
>John Wilson Jenrette, Jr - Democrat - U.S. Representative from South
>Carolina from 1975 to 1980. Implicated in the Abscam sting. Convicted on
>bribery and conspiracy charges and sentenced to prison
>
>Neil Goldschmidt - Democrat - Oregon governor. Admitted to having an illegal
>sexual relationship with a 14-year-old teenager while he was serving as
>Mayor of Portland.
>
>Alcee Lamar Hastings - Democrat - U.S. Representative from Florida.
>Impeached and removed from office as federal judge in 1989 over bribery
>charges.
>
>Marion Barry - Democrat - mayor of Washington, D.C., from 1979 to 1991 and
>again from 1995 to 1999. Convicted of cocaine possession after being caught
>on videotape smoking crack cocaine. Sentenced to six months in prison.
>
>Mario Biaggi - Democrat - U.S. Representative from New York from 1969 to
>1988. Indicted on federal charges that he had accepted bribes in return for
>influence on federal contracts.Convicted of obstructing justice and
>accepting illegal gratuities. Tried in 1988 on federal racketeering charges
>and convicted on 15 felony counts.
>
>Lee Alexander - Democrat - Mayor of Syracuse, N.Y. from 1970 to 1985. Was
>indicted over a $1.5 million kickback scandal. Pleaded guilty to
>racketeering and tax evasion charges. Served six years in prison.
>
>Bill Campbell - Democrat - Mayor of Atlanta. Indicted and charged with fraud
>over claims he accepted improper payments from contractors seeking city
>contracts.
>
>Frank Ballance - Democrat - Congressman North Carolina. Pleaded guilty to
>one charge of conspiracy to commit mail fraud and money laundering related
>to mishandling of money by his charitable foundation.
>
>Hazel O'Leary - Democrat - Secretary of Energy during the Clinton
>Administration - O'leary took trips all over the world as Secretary with as
>many 50 staff members and at times rented a plane, which was used by Madonna
>during her concert tours.
>
>Lafayette Thomas - Democrat - Candidate for Tennessee State House of
>Representatives in 1954. Sheriff of Davidson County, from 1972 to 1990.
>Indicted in federal court on 54 counts of abusing his power as sheriff.
>Pleaded guilty to theft and mail fraud; sentenced to five years in prison.
>
>Mary Rose Oakar - Democrat - U.S. Representative from Ohio from 1977 to
>1993. Pleaded guilty to two misdemeanor charges of funneling $16,000 through
>fake donors.
>
>David Giles - Democrat - candidate for U.S. Representative from Washington
>in 1986 and 1990. Convicted in June 2000 of child rape.
>
>Gary Siplin - Democrat state senator Florida- found guilty of third-degree
>grand theft of $5,000 or more, a felony, and using services of employees for
>his candidacy.
>
>Edward Mezvinsky - Democrat - U.S. Representative from Iowa from 1973 to
>1977. Indicted on 56 federal fraud charges.
>
>Lena Swanson - Democrat - Member of Washington State Senate in 1997. Pleaded
>guilty to charges of soliciting unlawful payments from veterans and former
>prisoners of war.
>
>Abraham J. Hirschfeld - Democrat - candidate in Democratic primary for U.S.
>Senator from New York in 1974 and 1976. Offered Paula Jones $1 million to
>drop her sexual harassment lawsuit against President Bill Clinton. Convicted
>in 2000 of trying to hire a hit man to kill his business partner.
>
>Henry Cisneros - Democrat - U.S. Secretary of Housing and Urban Development
>from 1993 to 1997. Pleaded guilty to a misdemeanor charge of lying to the
>FBI.
>
>James A. Traficant Jr. - Member of House of Representatives from Ohio.
>Expelled from Congress after being convicted of corruption charges.
>Sentenced today to eight years in prison for accepting bribes and kickbacks.
>
>John Doug Hays - Democrat - member of Kentucky State Senate from 1980 to
>1982 Found guilty of mail fraud for submitting false campaign reports
>stemming from an unsuccessful run for judge. He was sentenced to six months
>in prison to be followed by six months of home confinement and three years
>of probation.
>
>Henry J. Cianfrani - Democrat - Pennsylvania State Senate from 1967 to 1976.
>Convicted on federal charges of racketeering and mail fraud for padding his
>Senate payroll. Sentenced to five years in federal prison.
>
>David Hall - Democrat - Governor of Oklahoma from 1971 to 1975. Indicted on
>extortion and conspiracy charges. Convicted and sentenced to three years in
>prison.
>
>John A. Celona - Democrat - A former state senator was charged with the
>three counts of mail fraud. Federal prosecutors accused him of defrauding
>the state and collecting hundreds of thousands of dollars from CVS Corp. and
>others while serving in the legislature. Celona has agreed to plead guilty
>to taking money from the CVS pharmacy chain and other companies that had
>interest in legislation. Under the deal, Celona agreed to cooperate with
>investigators. He faces up to five years in federal prison on each of the
>three counts and a $250,000 fine
>
>Allan Turner Howe - Democrat - U.S. Representative from Utah from 1975 to
>1977. Arrested for soliciting a policewoman posing as a prostitute.
>
>Jerry Cosentino - Democrat - Illinois State Treasurer. Pleaded guilty to
>bank fraud - fined $5,000 and sentenced to nine months home confinement.
>
>Joseph Waggonner Jr. - Democrat - U.S. Representative from Louisiana from
>1961 to 19 79. Arrested in Washington, D.C. for soliciting a policewoman
>posing as a prostitute
>
>Albert G. Bustamante - Democrat - U.S. Representative from Texas from 1985
>to 1993. Convicted in 1993 on racketeering and bribery charges and sentenced
>to prison.
>
>Lawrence Jack Smith - Democrat - U.S. Representative from Florida from 1983
>to 1993. Sentenced to three months in federal prison for tax evasion.
>
>David Lee Walters - Democrat - Governor of Oklahoma from 1991 to 1995.
>Pleaded guilty to a misdemeanor election law violation.
>
>James Guy Tucker, Jr. - Democrat - Governor of Arkansas from 1992 to 1996.
>Resigned in July 1996 after conviction on federal fraud charges as part of
>the Whitewater investigation.
>
>Walter Rayford Tucker - Democrat - Mayor of Compton, California from 1991 to
>1992; U.S. Representative from California from 1993 to 1995. Sentenced to 27
>months in prison for extortion and tax evasion.
>
>William McCuen - Democrat - Secretary of State of Arkansas from 1985 to
>1995. Admitted accepting kickbacks from two supporters he gave jobs, and not
>paying taxes on the money. Admitted to conspiring with a political
>consultant to split $53,560 embezzled from the state in a sham transaction.
>He was indicted on corruption charges. Pleaded guilty to felony counts tax
>evasion and accepting a kickback. Sentenced to 17 years in prison.
>
>Walter Fauntroy - Democrat - Delegate to U.S. Congress from the District of
>Columbia from 1971 to 1991. Charged in federal court with making false
>statements on financial disclosure forms. Pleaded guilty to one felony count
>and sentenced to probation.
>
>Carroll Hubbard, Jr. - Democrat - Kentucky State Senate from 1968 to 1975
>and U.S. Representative from Kentucky from 1975 to 1993. Pleaded guilty to
>conspiring to defraud the Federal Elections Commission and to theft of
>government property; sentenced to three years in prison.
>
>Joseph Kolter - Democrat - member of Pennsylvania State House of
>Representatives from 1969 to 1982 and U.S. Representative from Pennsylvania
>from 1983 to 1993. Indicted by a Federal grand jury on five felony charges
>of embezzlement at the U.S. House post office. Pleaded guilty.
>
>Webster Hubbell - Democrat - Chief Justice of Arkansas State Supreme Court
>in 1983. Pleaded guilty to federal mail fraud and tax evasion charges -
>sentenced to 21 months in prison.
>
>Nicholas Mavroules - Democrat - U.S. Representative from Massachusetts from
>1979 to 1993. Pleaded guilty to charges of tax fraud and accepting
>gratuities while in office.
>
>Carl Christopher Perkins - Democrat - Kentucky State House of
>Representatives from 1981 to 1984 and U.S. Representative from Kentucky from
>1985 to 1993. Pleaded guilty to bank fraud in connection with the House
>banking scandal. Perkins wrote overdrafts totaling about $300,000. Pleaded
>guilty to charges of filing false statements with the Federal Election
>Commission and false financial disclosure reports. Sentenced to 21 months in
>prison.
>
>Richard Hanna - Democrat - U.S. Representative from California from 1963 to
>1974. Received payments of about $200,000 from a Korean businessman in what
>became known as the "Koreagate" influence buying scandal. Pleaded guilty and
>sentenced to federal prison.
>
>Angelo Errichetti - Democrat - New Jersey State Senator was sentenced to six
>years in prison and fined $40,000 for his involvement in Abscam.
>
>Daniel Baugh Brewster - Democrat - U.S. Senator from Maryland. Indicted on
>charges of accepting illegal gratuity while in Senate.
>
>Thomas Joseph Dodd - Democrat - U.S. Senator from Connecticut. Censured by
>the Senate for financial improprieties, having diverted $116,000 in campaign
>and testimonial funds to his own use
>
>Edward Fretwell Prichard, Jr. - Democrat - Delegate to Democratic National
>Convention from Kentucky. Convicted of vote fraud in federal court in
>connection with ballot-box stuffing. Served five months in prison.
>
>Jerry Springer - Democrat - Resigned from Cincinnati City Council in 1974
>after admitting to paying a prostitute with a personal check, which was
>found in a police raid on a massage parlor.
>
>Guy Hamilton Jones, Sr. - Democrat -Arkansas State Senate. Convicted on
>federal tax charges and expelled from the Arkansas Senate.
>
>Daniel Flood - Democrat - U.S. Representative from Pennsylvania from 1945 to
>1947, 1949 to 1953 and 1955 to 1980. Pleaded guilty to a conspiracy charge
>involving payoffs and sentenced to probation.
>
>Otto Kerner, Jr - Democrat - Governor of Illinois from 1961 to 1968. While
>serving as Governor, he and another official made a gain of over $300,000 in
>a stock deal. Convicted on 17 counts of bribery, conspiracy, perjury, and
>related charges. Sentenced to three years in federal prison and fined
>$50,000.
>
>George Crockett, Jr. - Democrat - U.S. Representative from Michigan. Served
>four months in federal prison for contempt of court following his defense of
>a Communist leader on trial for advocating the overthrow of the government.
>
>Cornelius Edward Gallagher - Democrat - U.S. Representative from New Jersey
>from 1959 to 1973. Indicted on federal charges of income tax evasion,
>conspiracy, and perjury
>
>Mark B. Jimenez - Democrat fundraiser - sentenced to 27 months in prison on
>charges of tax evasion and conspiracy to defraud the United States and
>commit election financing offenses.
>
>Bobby Lee Rush - Democrat - U.S. Representative from Illinois. As a Black
>Panther, spent six months in prison on a weapons charge.
>
>Bolley ''Bo'' Johnson - Democrat - Former Florida House Speaker - received a
>two-year term for tax evasion.
>
>Roger L. Green - Democrat - Brooklyn Democrat Assemblyman. Pleaded guilty to
>a misdemeanor for accepting travel reimbursement for trips he did not pay
>for and was sentenced to fines and probation.
>
>Gloria Davis - Democrat - Bronx assemblywoman. Pleaded guilty to
>second-degree bribe-taking.
>
>The Democrat Party's Long and Shameful History of Bigotry and Racism
>
>A common attack upon conservatives and republicans by the ultra left is to
>engage in what has come to be known as "playing the race card" but is more
>accurately described as racial McCarthyism. Hardly a day goes by without a
>member of the far left wing falsely accusing conservatives of racism,
>bigotry, and a wide array of similar nasty things. They are not only
>dishonest, but they often border on the absurd, as in NAACP leader and hyper
>bigot Julian Bond's recent implication to his organization that Bush
>administration officials supported confederate slavery. Amazingly, Bond's
>statements went without condemnation from the radical Democrat party or
>others in his organization.
>
>Not surprisingly, in all the lies and accusations of racism by the radical
>left wing, the truth becomes distorted not only about the Republicans but
>also the Democrats who make these accusations themselves. For instance, you
>may or may not have heard Democrat Senator Robert Byrd's outburst of racist
>bigoted slurs, more specifically the "n-word," on national television in
>March of 2001. Amazingly, this incident of blatant racism on national
>television drew barely a peep from the NAACP, Jesse Jackson, Julian Bond,
>Mary Frances Berry, or any of the other ambulance chasers who purport
>themselves to be the leaders of the civil rights movement. In contrast, the
>main source of well deserved criticism for Byrd's racist outburst came not
>from any of the so called leaders of the civil rights movement but from from
>Republican Majority Leader Dick Armey (source). The race hustlers Jackson,
>Mfume et al turned a blind eye towards this act of racism by one of their
>own party, at most issuing an unpublicized slap on the wrist, or, as was
>more often the case, making not a peep. But where the race hustlers turn a
>blind eye and spew their lies, it is up to conservatives to set the record
>straight with the truth.
>
>In response to the growing practice of racial McCarthyism by prominent left
>wing Democrats, it is necessary to expose the truth about the Democrat
>Party's record on Civil Rights:
>
>I. Acts of Bigotry by Prominent Democrats and Leftists:
>
>Franklin Delano Roosevelt: Franklin Roosevelt, the long time hero and
>standard bearer of the Democrat Party, headed up and implemented one of the
>most horrible racist policies of the 20th Century - the Japanese Internment
>Camps during World War II. Roosevelt unilaterally and knowingly enacted
>Japanese Internment through the use of presidential Executive Orders 9066
>and 9102 during the early years of the war. These orders single-handedly led
>to the imprisonment of an estimated 120,000 law abiding Americans of
>Japanese ancestry, the overwhelming majority of them natural born second and
>third generation American citizens. Countless innocents lost their property,
>fortunes, and, in the case of an unfortunate few, even their lives as a
>result of Roosevelt's internment camps, camps that have been accurately
>described as America's concentration camps. Perhaps most telling about the
>racist nature of Roosevelt's order was his clearly expressed intention to
>apply it almost entirely to Japanese Americans, even though America was also
>at war with Germany and Italy. In 1943, Roosevelt wrote regarding concerns
>of German and Italian Americans that they t0o would share in the fate of the
>interned Japanese Americans, noting that "no collective evacuation of German
>and Italian aliens is contemplated at this time." Despite this assertion,
>Roosevelt did exhibit his personal fears about Italian and German Americans,
>and in his typical racist form he used an ethnic stereotype to make his
>point. Expressing about his position on German and Italian Americans during
>World War II, Roosevelt stated "I don't care so much about the Italians,
>they are a lot of opera singers, but the Germans are different. They may be
>dangerous."
>
>Roosevelt also appointed two notorious segregationists to the United States
>Supreme Court. Roosevelt appointed South Carolina segregationist Democrat
>Jimmy Byrnes to the court. Roosevelt later made Byrnes a top advisor, where
>the segregationist earned the nickname "assistant president." Byrnes was
>Roosevelt's second choice behind Harry Truman for the VP nod in his 1944
>reelection bid. Roosevelt also appointed segregationist Democrat Senator
>Hugo Black of Alabama to the court. Black was a former member of the Ku Klux
>Klan with a notorious record of racism himself.
>
>Hugo Black: A former Democrat Senator from Alabama and liberal U.S. Supreme
>Court Justice appointed by FDR, Hugo Black had a lengthy history of hate
>group activism. Black was a member of the Ku Klux Klan in the 1920's and
>gained his legal fame defending Klansmen under prosecution for racial
>murders. In one prominent case, Black provided legal representation to
>Klansman Edwin Stephenson for the hate-induced murder of a Catholic priest
>in Birmingham. A jury composed of several Klan members acquited Stephenson
>of the murder, reportedly after Black expressed Klan gestures to the jury
>during the trial. In 1926 Black sought and won election as a Democrat to the
>United States Senate after campaigning heavily to Klan membership. He is
>said to have told one Klan audience "I desire to impress upon you as
>representatives of the real Anglo-Saxon sentiment that must and will control
>the destinies of the stars and stripes, that I want your counsel." In the
>Senate Black became a stauch supporter of the liberal New Deal initiatives
>of FDR and a solid opponent of civil rights legislation, including a
>filibuster of an anti-lynching measure. Black led the push for several New
>Deal programs and was a key participant in FDR's court packing scandal.
>Roosevelt appointed Black, a loyal ally, to the U.S. Supreme Court. During
>the Senate confirmation of Black's nomination, the issue of his strong Klan
>affiliations caused a public controversy over his appointment. Following the
>confirmation Roosevelt claimed ignorance of Black's Klan past, though this
>claim was dubious at best. Black's first Senate election, which occurred
>with Klan support, had been covered nationally a decade earlier in 1926.
>Black's Klan affiliations were a well known part of his political background
>and recieved heavy coverage in the newspapers at the time of his
>appointment. On the court, Black became a liberal stalwart. He also
>continued his career of supporting racism by authoring the opinion in favor
>of FDR's Japanese internment program in the infamous Korematsu ruling.
>
>Senator Robert Byrd, D-WV: Byrd is a former member of the Ku Klux Klan and
>is currently the only national elected official with a history in the Klan,
>a well known hate group. Byrd was extremely active in the Klan and rose to
>the rank of "Kleagle," an official Klan membership recruiter. Byrd once
>stated that he joined the Klan because it was effective in "promoting
>traditional American values" (Source). Byrd's choice of words speak volumes
>about his bigotry considering the fact that the Klan is a notorious hate
>group, and the racist "values" it promotes are anything but American. One of
>the earliest criticisms of Byrd's Klan ties came in 1952 when he was running
>for Congress. Byrd responded by claiming that he had left the Klan in 1943
>while noting that "(d)uring the nine years that have followed, I have never
>been interested in the Klan." Byrd was lying, however, as he engaged in
>correspondence with a Klan Imperial Wizard long after he claims to have
>ended his ties with the hate group.
>
>In a letter to the Klan leadership (Source) dated 3 years after he purported
>to have ended his ties with them, Byrd wrote "I am a former kleagle of the
>Ku Klux Klan in Raleigh County and the adjoining counties of the state. The
>Klan is needed today as never before and I am anxious to see its rebirth
>here in West Virginia." Byrd continued his racist diatribe "It is necessary
>that the order be promoted immediately and in every state of the Union" and
>followed with a request for assistance from the hate group's leadership in
>"rebuilding the Klan in the realm" of West Virginia.
>
>Byrd's racism extends far beyond his Klan membership. In a letter he wrote
>on the subject of desegregating the armed forces, Byrd escalated his racist
>rhetoric to an appalling level. In the letter, Byrd vowed that he would
>never fight in an integrated armed services noting "(r)ather I should die a
>thousand times, and see Old Glory trampled in the dirt never to rise again,
>than to see this beloved land of ours become degraded by race mongrels, a
>throwback to the blackest specimen from the wilds" (Source).
>
>Byrd's racist opinions have shown their ugly face in his behavior in the
>Senate. Byrd led the filibuster of the Civil Rights Act of 1964 and,
>according to the United States Senate's own website, filibustered the
>legislation to the bitter end appearing as one of the last opponents to the
>act before a coalition of civil rights proponents led by Republican Minority
>Leader Everett Dirksen invoked cloture so that the Civil Rights Act of 1964
>could pass. At the time, Byrd was in the the midst of a 14 hour and 13
>minute filibuster diatribe against the key civil rights measure (Source).
>Throughout the 1960's, Byrd was was one of the staunchest opponents to civil
>rights in the U.S. Senate. Byrd's racist history drew attention recently
>when he went on national television and repeatedly used the n-word, one of
>the most vicious racial slurs in existence, in an appearance on national
>television. Byrd uttered the slur on Fox News Sunday with Tony Snow on March
>5, 2001. Despite the appalling nature of the remark, it went largely ignored
>by the mainstream media and the self appointed "civil rights" leadership.
>Whereas a similar remark by anyone other than a leading Democrat Senator
>would assuredly prompt the likes of Jesse Jackson to assemble protest
>rallies demanding resignations, the Jackson crowd was eerily quiet following
>Byrd's remarks, issuing only low key suggestions that Byrd should avoid
>making such bigoted remarks.
>
>In a sickening recognition of Byrd's appalling political career, the
>national Democrat party has done nothing but embrace the West Virginia
>senator with leadership roles and practically every honor imaginable. To
>this very day the Democrats call former Klansman turned U.S. Senator Robert
>Byrd the "conscience of the Senate." They have embraced him as their party's
>central pillar in all ways possible. Byrd has been reelected more times than
>any other Democrat senator, has served as a Democrat in Congress, a Democrat
>State Senator in West Virginia, and a Democrat State Delegate in West
>Virginia. Democrats have made repeatedly elected Byrd into their national
>party leadership and into the U.S. Senate leadership. He became secretary of
>the Senate Democrat Caucus in 1967, and Senate Democrat Whip in 1971. The
>Democrats elected former Klansman Byrd as their Senate Majority Leader from
>1977-1980 and as their Senate Minority Leader from 1981-1986. Byrd was again
>elected Democrat Majority Leader from 1987-1988. Democrats made Byrd the
>chairman of the powerful Appropriations Committee and President Pro Tempore
>of the Senate from 1989 until the Republicans won control of the Senate in
>November 1994. Following the defection of Jim Jeffords in June 2001, the
>Democrats again made Byrd the chairman of the Appropriations Committee and
>elected him to the highest ranking office in the Senate: the President Pro
>Tempore, a position which also put this former Klansman 4th in line for the
>presidency. Byrd lost his position when Republicans retook the Senate in
>late 2002, but continues to serve as one of the highest ranking members of
>the Democrat Senate leadership today.
>
>Senator Ernest Hollings, D-SC: Hollings is liberal Democrat Senator from
>South Carolina who is also notorious for his use of racial slurs. He rose
>out of the Democrat Party's segregationist wing in the 1960's as governor of
>South Carolina. While in office as governor, Hollings personally led the
>opposition to lunch counter integration in his state. The New York Times
>reported on March 17, 1960 that then-governor Hollings "warned today that
>South Carolina would not permit 'explosive' manifestations in connection
>with Negro demands for lunch-counter services." According to the article,
>Hollings gave a speech in which he "challenged President Eisenhower's
>contention that minorities had the right to engage in certain types of
>demonstrations" against segregation. In the speech Hollings described the
>Republican president as "confused" and asserted that Eisenhower had done
>"great damage to peace and good order" by supporting the rights of
>minorities to protest segregation at the lunch counters.
>
>Governor Hollings' support for segregation continued throughout his term and
>included his attendance at a July 23, 1961 meeting of segregationist
>Democrats to organize their opposition to the civil rights movement.
>Hollings was one of four governors in attendence, all of them Democrats. The
>others included rabid segregationists Orval Faubus of Arkansas and Ross
>Barnett of Mississippi. The New York Times reported on the meeting, noting
>that among the strategies discussed were using the segregationist White
>Citizens Council organization to mobilize political opposition to
>desegregation.
>
>In more recent years Hollings, a senior Democrat senator, has made
>disparaging racial remarks and slurs against minorities. Senator Hollings,
>who was a contender for his party's presidential nomination in 1984, blamed
>his defeat in the primaries by using a racial slur against Hispanics. After
>losing the Iowa Straw Poll, Hollings stated "You had wetbacks from
>California that came in here for Cranston," referring to one of his
>opponents, Alan Cranston. A few years later Hollings reportedly used the
>slur "darkies" to derogatorily refer to blacks. He also once disparagingly
>referred to the Rainbow PUSH Coalition as the "Blackbow Coalition," and
>called former Senator Howard Metzenbaum, who is Jewish, "the Senator from
>B'nai B'rith." Hollings gained international criticism for his remarks about
>the African Delegation to the 1993 Geneva GATT conference, where he crudely
>remarked "you'd find these potentates from down in Africa, you know, rather
>than eating each other, they'd just come up and get a good square meal in
>Geneva." Hollings was also the Governor of South Carolina who raised the
>confederate flag over the state capitol in the early 1960's in what was
>considered at the time to be an act of defiance to civil rights. The press
>ignored Hollings and his role in the flag issue at the same time the
>political correctness police were smearing George W. Bush during his
>campaign after Bush correctly remarked that the flag was a state issue to be
>decided upon by South Carolina and not the national government.
>
>Jesse Jackson: Jackson was the featured prime time speaker at the 2000
>Democrat Convention. Jackson has a history of using anti-Semitic slurs and
>derogatorily calling New York City "Hymietown." Jackson, a prominent self
>proclaimed "civil rights leader," is himself guilty of the same bigotry he
>dishonestly purports to oppose.
>
>Dan Rather: Rather, the well known television anchor for CBS, is also a
>liberal Democrat who has spoken at fundraisers for the Democrat party in the
>past. The notoriously left wing reporter appeared on the Don Imus radio show
>on July 19, 2001 where he was interviewed about his long term refusal to
>cover the Gary Condit (D-CA) scandal involving an affair with a missing
>intern despite the scandal's national prominence. Rather noted on the air
>that CBS had basically forced him to cover the story that was on every other
>network and on the front page of all the major newspapers, all this after
>Rather avoided it for months. Rather stated on the air, refering to CBS,
>that "they got the Buckwheats" and made him cover the Condit scandal. The
>term "Buckwheat" is considered an offensive racial stereotype that stems
>from an easily frightened black character named "Buckwheat" on the Little
>Rascals comedies. It is widely regarded as a racial epithet and has long
>been condemned as an offensive stereotype by several civil rights
>organizations. In several past incidents (see here and here) the use of the
>epithet "Buckwheat" has recieved condemnation by the NAACP, Al Sharpton and
>other left wing organizations. These left wing organizations and
>personalities have demanded that other media personalities be fired over
>using the epithet, and even staged a protest at a school over the mere
>allegation that the racist stereotype had been used by a teacher. Yet these
>same liberal groups have, to date, remained completely silent now that one
>of their own, Dan Rather, is guilty of using the same offensive racial
>stereotype they have condemned elsewhere on a national radio show. It's just
>more proof of how the left wingers who cry the loudest with accusations of
>racism against others turn a blind eye when somebody of their own left wing
>ideology is the undeniable culprit of a blatantly racist act or statement!
>
>Cragg Hines: Hines is one of the most rabidly partisan DC based Democrat
>editorial columnists to work for a major newspaper, and he makes no attempts
>to hide it. To Hines, pro-lifers are "neanderthals," as is often the case
>with those who differ in opinion with him. Ironically, Hines, a columnist
>who regularly touts himself as an enlightened progressive, is also known for
>racial remarks and religious intolerance. He attacked Senator Jesse Helms in
>an August 26, 2001 editorial with not only the usual liberal name calling,
>but also with a racial epithet. Hines used the racial slur "cracker" to
>attack Helms. He used the epithet not only within the article's text, but he
>even included it in the piece's title. In a sense of heavy irony, Hines'
>article accused Helms of bigotry for, among other things, opposing liberal
>policies like affirmative action. He didn't seem to object to himself for
>his own bigotted language in the same article. Hines has also drawn heavy
>criticism from Catholics including a letter to the editor from the former
>President of the U.S. Catholic Bishop's Conference for his seemingly
>agenda-driven criticisms of Catholicism and its religious leaders, often
>based on little or no historical evidence, which he has expressed in
>numerous editorial columns.
>
>Al Sharpton: Sharpton, a perrenial Democrat candidate and one of the rumored
>candidates for the Democrat's 2004 presidential nomination, has a notorious
>racist past. Sharpton was a central figure who fanned the 1991 Crown Heights
>race riot, where a mob shouting anti-semetic slurs murdered an innocent
>Jewish man. Sharpton also incited a 1995 protest of a Jewish owned store in
>Harlem where protesters used several anti-semetic slurs. During the
>protests, a Sharpton lieutenant called the store's owner a "bloodsucker" and
>declared an intent to "loot the Jews." A member of the protest mob later set
>fire to the store, resulting in the death of seven (source).
>
>Representative Dick Gephardt, D-MO: Gephardt, the former Democrat Minority
>Leader in the U.S. House of Representatives, gave several speeches to a St.
>Louis area hate group during his early years as a representative. According
>to the St. Louis Post-Dispatch, Gephardt spoke before the Metro South
>Citizens Council, a now defunct white supremacist organization, during his
>early years as a congressman. Newsmax.com further reported that Gephardt had
>openly asked the group for an endorsement of his candidacy during one of his
>many visits with the organization. Gephardt has long avoided questions about
>his past affiliation with this group.
>
>Andrew Cuomo: Cuomo, Bill Clinton's former Housing Secretary and a prominent
>Democrat political player in New York, was tape recorded using racially
>inflamatory rhetoric to build opposition to a potential Democrat primary
>opponent while speaking to a Democrat group. Cuomo stated that voting for
>his rival for the New York Democrat gubernatorial nomination Carl McCall,
>who is black, would create a "racial contract" between Black and Hispanic
>Democrats "and that can't happen." Upon initial reports, Cuomo denied the
>statement but later a tape recording surfaced. Cuomo later dropped out of
>the race for governor (source).
>
>Lee P. Brown: Brown, Bill Clinton's former drug czar and Democrat mayor of
>Houston, engaged in racist campaigning designed to suppress Hispanic voter
>turnout during his 2001 reelection bid. Brown faced challenger Orlando
>Sanchez, a Hispanic Republican who drew heavy support from the Hispanic
>community during the general election. Two weeks prior to the runoff,
>Brown's campaign printed racist signs designed to intimidate Hispanic
>voters. The signs featured a photograph of Sanchez and the words
>"Anti-Hispanic." The signs drew harsh criticism from Hispanic leaders as
>their message was designed to intimidate and confuse Hispanic voters. Around
>the same time the signs were being used, Brown supporter and city councilman
>Carol Alvarado made a series of racially charged attacks on Sanchez,
>implying a desire to see the supression of Hispanic voter turnout in the
>runoff. Brown staffers also went on record claiming that Sanchez was not a
>true Hispanic. The racist anti-Hispanic undertones of Brown's reelection bid
>were so great that liberal Democrat city councilman John Castillo, himself
>Hispanic, retracted his endorsement of Brown in disgust and became a Sanchez
>supporter in the final week of the campaign. Following the harsh
>condemnation of the racist signs and tactics, Brown purported that his
>campaign was removing them even though many still lingered around Houston up
>until the election. When election day came along, Brown placed more of the
>racist signs at polling places, despite his claim to have stopped using
>them. The large campaign billboard style election day signs featured, in
>Spanish, the word "Danger!" on them followed by Sanchez's name with a large
>red circle and slash through it. The signs identified the Brown campaign as
>their owner on the bottom. Brown's racially charged reelection effort barely
>squeeked by Sanchez on election day, winning 51% to 49% following a series
>of racially motivated advertisements in which the Brown campaign appealed to
>the fear of black voters by invoking images of the gruesome lynching death
>of James Byrd, Jr. and by attempting to pit them against Hispanics. While
>Brown had the audacity to declare himself a mayor for all people and all
>ethnicities at his victory party, many in Houston fear the racial wounds
>inflicted by his campaign will take years to heal.
>
>Mary Frances Berry: Berry is the Democrat chair of the US Commission on
>Civil Rights (USCCR). She purports herself to be an "independent" in her
>political affiliation in order to hold her job on the civil rights
>commission where partisan membership may not exceed 4 for either party, but
>is in fact a dedicated liberal Democrat who openly supported Al Gore for
>president and has given a total of $20,000 in personal contributions to the
>Democrat Party, Al Gore for President, and other Democrat candidates over
>the last decade. Berry is an open racist who is affiliated with the far-left
>Pacifica radio network, a group with ties to black nationalist causes. Berry
>once stated "Civil rights laws were not passed to protect the rights of
>white men and do not apply to them," indicating that she believes the USCCR
>should only look out for civil rights violations against persons of certain
>select skin colors.
>
>Billy McKinney: Former Democrat State Representative Billy McKinney of
>Georgia, who is also the father of former Democrat congresswoman Cynthia
>McKinney of the same state. During his daughter's failed 2002 reelection
>bid, McKinney appeared on television where he blamed his daughter's
>difficulties on a Jewish conspiracy. McKinney unleashed a string of
>anti-semitic sentiments, stating "This is all about the Jews" and spelling
>out "J-E-W-S." McKinney lost his own seat in a runoff a few weeks later.
>
>The Democrat Party and the Ku Klux Klan: Aside from the multiple Klan
>members who have served in elected capacity within the high ranks of the
>Democrat Party, the political party itself has a lengthy but often
>overlooked history of involvement with the Ku Klux Klan. Though it has been
>all but forgotten by the media, the Democrat National Convention of 1924 was
>host to one of the largest Klan gatherings in American history. Dubbed the
>"Klanbake convention" at the time, the 1924 Democrat National Convention in
>New York was dominated by a platform dispute surrounding the Ku Klux Klan. A
>minority of the delegates to the convention attempted to condemn the hate
>group in the party's platform, but found their proposal shot down by Klan
>supporters within the party. As delegates inside the convention voted in the
>Klan's favor, the Klan itself mobilized a celebratory rally outside. On July
>4, 1924 one of the largest Klan gatherings ever occurred outside the
>convention on a field in nearby New Jersey. The event was marked by speakers
>spewing racial hatred, celebrations of their platform victory in the
>Democrat Convention, and ended in a cross burning.
>
>II. Democrat opposition to the Civil Rights Movement:
>
>A little known fact of history involves the heavy opposition to the civil
>rights movement by several prominent Democrats. Similar historical neglect
>is given to the important role Republicans played in supporting the civil
>rights movement. A calculation of 26 major civil rights votes from 1933
>through the 1960's civil rights era shows that Republicans favored civil
>rights in approximately 96% of the votes, whereas the Democrats opposed them
>in 80% of the votes! These facts are often intentionally overlooked by the
>left wing Democrats for obvious reasons. In some cases, the Democrats have
>told flat out lies about their shameful record during the civil rights
>movement.
>
>Democrat Senators organized the record Senate filibuster of the Civil Rights
>Act of 1964. Included among the organizers were several prominent and well
>known liberal Democrat standard bearers including:
>- Robert Byrd, current senator from West Virginia
>- J. William Fulbright, Arkansas senator and political mentor of Bill
>Clinton
>- Albert Gore Sr., Tennessee senator, father and political mentor of Al
>Gore. Gore Jr. has been known to lie about his father's opposition to the
>Civil Rights Act.
>- Sam Ervin, North Carolina senator of Watergate hearings fame
>- Richard Russell, famed Georgia senator and later President Pro Tempore
>
>The complete list of the 21 Democrats who opposed the Civil Rights Act of
>1964 includes Senators:
>
>- Hill and Sparkman of Alabama
>- Fulbright and McClellan of Arkansas
>- Holland and Smathers of Florida
>- Russell and Talmadge of Georgia
>- Ellender and Long of Louisiana
>- Eastland and Stennis of Mississippi
>- Ervin and Jordan of North Carolina
>- Johnston and Thurmond of South Carolina
>- Gore Sr. and Walters of Tennessee
>- H. Byrd and Robertson of Virginia
>- R. Byrd of West Virginia
>
>Democrat opposition to the Civil Rights Act was substantial enough to
>literally split the party in two. A whopping 40% of the House Democrats
>VOTED AGAINST the Civil Rights Act, while 80% of Republicans SUPPORTED it.
>Republican support in the Senate was even higher. Similar trends occurred
>with the Voting Rights Act of 1965, which was supported by 82% of House
>Republicans and 94% of Senate Republicans. The same Democrat standard
>bearers took their normal racists stances, this time with Senator Fulbright
>leading the opposition effort.
>
>It took the hard work of Republican Senate Minority Leader Everett Dirksen
>and Republican Whip Thomas Kuchel to pass the Civil Rights Act (Dirksen was
>presented a civil rights accomplishment award for the year by the head of
>the NAACP in recognition of his efforts). Upon breaking the Democrat
>filibuster of the 1964 Civil Rights Act, Republican Dirksen took to the
>Senate floor and exclaimed "The time has come for equality of opportunity in
>sharing in government, in education, and in employment. It will not be
>stayed or denied. It is here!" (Full text of speech). Sadly, Democrats and
>revisionist historians have all but forgotten (and intentionally so) that it
>was Republican Dirksen, not the divided Democrats, who made the Civil Rights
>Act a reality. Dirksen also broke the Democrat filibuster of the 1957 Civil
>Rights Act that was signed by Republican President Eisenhower.
>
>Outside of Congress, the three most notorious opponents of school
>integration were all Democrats:
>- Orval Faubus, Democrat Governor of Arkansas and one of Bill Clinton's
>political heroes
>- George Wallace, Democrat Governor of Alabama
>- Lester Maddox, Democrat Governor of Georgia
>
>The most famous of the school desegregation standoffs involved Governor
>Faubus. Democrat Faubus used police and state forces to block the
>integration of a high school in Little Rock, Arkansas. The standoff was
>settled and the school was integrated only after the intervention of
>Republican President Dwight D. Eisenhower.
>
>Even the Democrat Party organization resisted integration and refused to
>allow minority participation for decades. Exclusion of minorities was the
>general rule of the Democrat Party of many states for decades, especially in
>Texas. This racist policy reached its peak under the New Deal in the
>southern and western states, often known as the New Deal Coalition region of
>FDR. The Supreme Court in Nixon v. Herndon declared the practice of "white
>primaries" unconstitutional in 1927 after states had passed laws barring
>Blacks from participating in Democrat primaries. But the Democrat Parties
>did not yield to the Court's order. After Nixon v. Herndon, Democrats simply
>made rules within the party's individual executive committees to bar
>minorities from participating, which were struck down in Nixon v. Condon in
>1932. The Democrats, in typical racist fashion, responded by using state
>parties to pass rules barring blacks from participation. This decision was
>upheld in Grovey v. Townsend, which was not overturned until 1944 by Smith
>v. Allwright. The Texas Democrats responded with their usual ploys and
>turned to what was known as the "Jaybird system" which used private Democrat
>clubs to hold white-only votes on a slate of candidates, which were then
>transferred to the Democrat party itself and put on their primary ballot as
>the only choices. Terry v. Adams overturned the Jaybird system, prompting
>the Democrats to institute blocks of unit rule voting procedures as well as
>the infamous literacy tests and other Jim Crow regulations to specifically
>block minorities from participating in their primaries. In the end, it took
>4 direct Supreme Court orders to end the Democrat's "white primary" system,
>and after that it took countless additional orders, several acts of
>Congress, and a constitutional amendment to tear down the Jim Crow codes
>that preserved the Democrat's white primary for decades beyond the final
>Supreme Court order ruling it officially unconstitutional.
>
>Hispanics in South Texas were treated especially poorly by the Democrat
>Party, which relied heavily on a system of political bosses to coerce and
>intimidate Hispanics into voting for Democrat primary candidates of choice.
>Though coercion is illegal, this system, known as the Patron system, is
>still in use to this day by local Democrat parties in some heavy Hispanic
>communities of the southwest.
>
>The next time Democrats take to the national airwaves to dishonestly accuse
>Republicans of racial hatred, remember who the historical record up until
>this very day points to as the real bigots: The Democrat Party. In all
>possible ways, the Democrat Party is built around the pillars of ultra
>leftists, many of whom are known participants in racism and/or affiliates of
>racist hate groups. Consider the Democrat Party of today's heroes and
>leaders:
>
>- Franklin Delano Roosevelt, Democrat icon and orchestrator of Japanese
>Internment
>- Ex-House Minority Leader Dick Gephardt, former affiliate of a St. Louis
>area racist group
>- Ex-Senate President Pro Tempore Robert Byrd, former Ku Klux Klansman known
>for making bigoted slurs on national television
>- Rev. Jesse Jackson, Democrat keynote speaker and race hustler known for
>making anti-Semitic slurs
>- Rev. Al Sharpten, Democrat activist and perennial candidate and race
>hustler known inciting anti-Semitic violence in New York City
>- Sen. Ernest Hollings, leading Democrat Senator known for use of racial
>slurs against several minority groups
>- Lee P. Brown, former Clinton cabinet official and Democrat mayor of
>Houston who won reelection using racial intimidation against Hispanic voters
>- Andrew Cuomo, former Clinton cabinet official and Democrat candidate for
>NY Governor who made racist statements about a black opponent.
>- Dan Rather, Democrat CBS news anchor and editorialist known for using
>anti-black racial epithets on a national radio broadcast
>- Donna Brazile, former Gore campaign manager known for making anti-white
>racial attacks. Brazile has also worked for Jackson, Gephardt, and Michael
>Dukakis
>
>The simple truth is that the Democrat Party's history during this century is
>one closely aligned to bigotry in a record stemming largely out of the
>liberal New Deal era up until the modern day. Bigots are at the center of
>the Democrat party's current leadership and role models. And in a striking
>display of hypocrisy, many of the same Democrats who dishonestly shout
>accusations of "bigotry" at conservatives are practicing bigots of the most
>disgusting and disreputable kind themselves.
--
Yang
a.a.#28
"I can hardly wait for your head to explode when the Repubs hold onto
both houses of Congress this November. And Yang can quote me on that."
-Fred Stone, 6/14/2006
"FRED STONE YOU GOT PWNED. "
-laleeloolelo <at> yahoo, 12/28/2007
"Face it, Fred, you've been pwn3d."
-Bill Baker, 12/21/2007
Gwen
> On Fri, 20 Jun 2008 10:04:52 -0700, Galen Hekhuis wrote
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> > On Fri, 20 Jun 2008 09:10:26 -0700, Sonnova
> > <sonn...@audiosanatorium.com> wrote:
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> >> On Fri, 20 Jun 2008 03:21:29 -0700, Gwen wrote
> >> (in article
That's because you're the idiot.
Alex W.
> People have asserted that it is normal for men to be sexually aroused
> by teenagers. Like I have said, I don't deny that 18 and 19 year old
> females are of legal age in most places and that some (not all) men
> find them sexually attractive. I also do not deny that some 17, 16,
> even 15 year old and younger females may indeed look very mature. I
> would hope that any older males would find the adult characteristics
> sexually attractive, rather than the older males find their sexual
> attraction due to the youthful characteristics. Being as how
> "teenage" encompasses the years 13-19, I would hope that most men are
> not sexually attracted to underage girls. Even if they are "ONLY
> about looking."
I see; you appear to be of the school of thought that the basic mental state
of the male is one of continuous sexual obsession and that his first
reaction is always one of sexual aggression. All men are rapists, that sort
of thing, eh?
At the risk of wasting my words: sexual attraction does not, I repeat, does
NOT equate to sexual arousal. Men do not turn into slavering sex fiends at
the mere sight of anything female. The two are worlds apart. For you to
conflate the two very distinct states is either naiveté or a sneaky shifting
of goalposts.
>
> You have to ask yourself, is it "normal" for men to find adult
> characteristics of teenaged females sexually atractive, or is it
> actually "normal" for men to find teenaged females (and some of them
> are almost children) sexually attractive? There is a vast difference.
Biologically, once a female hits nubility -- usually close to the end of
puberty -- she is no longer a girl. Biology doesn't care about silly human
labels or the legal importance of birthdates. Biology determines that a
girl starts to throw off signals which any male of whatever age is
programmed to receive. Your disapproval is quite irrelevant to this
entirely natural and instinctual process.
BTW, has it not occurred to you that the very "age of consent" laws are in
themselves an acknowledgment that such an attraction exists?
elizabeth
> "Galen Hekhuis" <ghekh...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
snippity
> BTW, has it not occurred to you that the very "age of consent" laws are in
> themselves an acknowledgment that such an attraction exists?
Hmmm. .. so I guess laws against murder are acknowlegement that such a
thing exists, so what is your point? That we pass laws so assholes
don't do things to harm others? Fact is, a lot of humans are mean
and love to harm others. Young girls are easier to control and make
victimization very easy. I guess if you don't think girls are people,
just fuck toys, the way antiaborts see women as walking uteruses,
you'd object to such laws. You and NAMBLA seem to be in agreement,
only you want the little girls. At least NAMBLA members aren't
responsible for creating teen mothers.
Yes, our species does a lot of mean, hateful things, and females get
far more damage done to them by males than males by females (to be
sure, males harm other males at the highest rate), and it's a sign of
civilization that we extend the same societal protection to others as
we'd want for ourselves.
If you ever grow up and have your own children, then come back and
tell us how you wouldn't mind old men having sex with them. After
all, men fucking little boys and little girls is not a new thing , nor
is blatant hypocricy. Or maybe you're the sort of person who thinks
incest is best? Or that selling one's children into prostitution is
acceptable? After all, parents do fuck their own kids, and parents do
pimp their own kids.
So, where do you draw the line? OK to fuck your kids? OK to fuck
only other people's kids? OK to fuck only poor children? Orphans?
Were you used as a sex toy as an adolescent, and you enjoyed it, so
you find it acceptable?
Me, I say Hillel was right.
Or maybe you should do like the bible, and if thine eyes offend . . .
pluck 'em out. And if thy dick stiffeth only in the presence of young
girls, chop it off.
SeahawkFan
"Yang, AthD (h.c)" <eacmole@/*AWOLBUSH*/mail.com> wrote in message
news:nf6p545cdk0dithan...@4ax.com...
> On Wed, 18 Jun 2008 09:50:03 -0400, "SeahawkFan"
> <deseah...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>"Yang, AthD (h.c)" <eacmole@/*AWOLBUSH*/mail.com> wrote out of
>>desperation...
>>
>>What Yang purposely ignores as he continues to whine, cry, and lie...
>
> Oh look, pedophile apologist Bobby Heishman equallys Republican
> pedophilia with sex between consenting adults
Oh look, Yang lies again.
No one can find any evidence of me EVER BEING A pedophile apologist.
A lie: A statement made by a person when that person knows it's false.
Yang knows I'm no pedophile apologist, in fact I detest any pedophile.
Therefore, he willingly lies.
>
> STOP REPUBLICAN PEDOPHILIA
STOP YANGS LIES
elizabeth
Wait a minute, Gwen, giving him the title of THE idiot is not fair . .
he has so much competition ...
Galen Hekhuis
wrote:
>
>"Galen Hekhuis" <ghek...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
>news:crno5452da088cm8q...@4ax.com...
>
>
>> People have asserted that it is normal for men to be sexually aroused
>> by teenagers. Like I have said, I don't deny that 18 and 19 year old
>> females are of legal age in most places and that some (not all) men
>> find them sexually attractive. I also do not deny that some 17, 16,
>> even 15 year old and younger females may indeed look very mature. I
>> would hope that any older males would find the adult characteristics
>> sexually attractive, rather than the older males find their sexual
>> attraction due to the youthful characteristics. Being as how
>> "teenage" encompasses the years 13-19, I would hope that most men are
>> not sexually attracted to underage girls. Even if they are "ONLY
>> about looking."
>
>I see; you appear to be of the school of thought that the basic mental state
>of the male is one of continuous sexual obsession and that his first
>reaction is always one of sexual aggression. All men are rapists, that sort
>of thing, eh?
Not at all. I'm not sure where you got the idea that I think that
males are constantly sexually obsessed, or that a male's first
reaction is always one of sexual aggression, or that all men are
rapists. But where you got the idea is nowhere near as important
that I subscribe to none of those thoughts.
>At the risk of wasting my words: sexual attraction does not, I repeat, does
>NOT equate to sexual arousal.
Perhaps to you. I'm not so sure there is a clear distinction. Could
you supply your definitions of those terms?
>Men do not turn into slavering sex fiends at
>the mere sight of anything female.
Of course, I never claimed anything remotely like that. I agree with
you.
>The two are worlds apart. For you to
>conflate the two very distinct states is either naiveté or a sneaky shifting
>of goalposts.
So tell us HOW they are so different. You've asserted so far that
they are "worlds apart." Tell us how.
>> You have to ask yourself, is it "normal" for men to find adult
>> characteristics of teenaged females sexually atractive, or is it
>> actually "normal" for men to find teenaged females (and some of them
>> are almost children) sexually attractive? There is a vast difference.
>
>Biologically, once a female hits nubility -- usually close to the end of
>puberty -- she is no longer a girl. Biology doesn't care about silly human
>labels or the legal importance of birthdates. Biology determines that a
>girl starts to throw off signals which any male of whatever age is
>programmed to receive. Your disapproval is quite irrelevant to this
>entirely natural and instinctual process.
You are correct, my approval or disapproval has little to do with it.
My contention is that males are sexually attractred to mature
characteristics of women which may indeed be found in teenage females,
rather than the sexual attraction is that the females are teenagers.
>BTW, has it not occurred to you that the very "age of consent" laws are in
>themselves an acknowledgment that such an attraction exists?
I thought most males were capable of behaving even without such laws,
and that such laws (indeed many laws) are in place to deal with the
few that can't. Am I wrong? Are you of the opinion that most (or
even many) men would behave differently if such laws were not enacted?
Galen Hekhuis
ghek...@earthlink.net
Galen Hekhuis
>Galen Hekhuis <ghek...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>> rfis...@sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote:
>>>Galen Hekhuis <ghek...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>>>>On Fri, 20 Jun 2008 11:24:13 -0700, Sonnova
>
>>>>>Why be a jerk about this? You know precisely what I mean, and you know it.
>>>>>Bringing wildly hypothetical extremist examples into the discussion just to
>>>>>obfuscate the point is hardly helpful.
>>>>
>>>>Of course I know what you *mean*, I wonder if you understand the
>>>>implications of what you say. And I reject the notion that any of the
>>>>examples I mention are either extremist or hypothetical. They are
>>>>realities that people deal with every day.
>>>
>>>Are you now taking the side of the thought police?
>>
>>Being as how there are no "thought police," it is doubtful I could be
>>taking their side.
>
>Your entire argument seems to be about criticizing people's thoughts.
Well, yes. Just because I criticize your novel doesn't make me side
with some kind of "book police."
>>>Is sexual attraction determined by the date on a person's birth
>>>certificate?
>>
>>In a way, yes.
>
>You're not usually an idiot.
You don't know me very well.
>> Some societies don't have "birth certificates," per
>>se, but age is indeed a determining factor in determing what is
>>appropriate or inappropriate sexual attraction.
>
>The notion that you decide whether you find somebody sexually
>attractive only after you've checked their birth certificate is absurd.
Just about every culture I can think of uses age, not physical
characteristics, as the determining factor for a host of legal, moral
and spiritual steps. You can argue until you are blue in the face
that a young woman has all the necessary physical characteristics of
"adult" women, but often until she has reached a certain chronological
point (counting from a "birth certificate" for you) she will not be
accepted as a woman in that society. The won't even be considered as
a potential mate by anyone (including males) in that society. Not
being a "woman," and definitely not being a man, she will be
considered a child until she reaches a particular age, and which point
she may undergo some kind of ritual changing her status from "child"
to "woman." This is frequently observed in tribal society, and the
demarcation between "child" and "woman" rarely has anything to do with
physical characteristics.
Galen Hekhuis
ghek...@earthlink.net
Galen Hekhuis
A quick Google search turned up this Louisana law, which makes
absolutely no mention of "trespass."
http://www.babcockfirm.com/statutes/lapeeping.html
>>People have asserted that it is normal for men to be sexually aroused
>>by teenagers. Like I have said, I don't deny that 18 and 19 year old
>>females are of legal age in most places and that some (not all) men
>>find them sexually attractive.
>
>Instead of "some" you should have written "almost all".
That's a matter of opinion, and obviously I don't agree with yours.
>> I also do not deny that some 17, 16,
>>even 15 year old and younger females may indeed look very mature. I
>>would hope that any older males would find the adult characteristics
>>sexually attractive, rather than the older males find their sexual
>>attraction due to the youthful characteristics.
>
>Humans have several hundred millenia of evolution to create a standard
>of attraction that makes young and healthy women attractive. Your
>personal standards aren't likely to change that anytime soon.
Humans also have big brains, and are fully capable of overriding or
supressing even several hundred millenia of evolution. May I point
out that the big brains of SCUBA divers are able to overcome several
hundred millenia of evloution that even includes reflexes to not
"breathe" underwater. Holding one's breath underwater is virtually
instinctive or reflexive. Even infants reflexively hold their breath
when placed under water. SCUBA divers have to learn to breathe
underwater, especially during ascent, or they die. There are many,
many other examples. My personal standards have nothing to do with
it.
>> Being as how
>>"teenage" encompasses the years 13-19, I would hope that most men are
>>not sexually attracted to underage girls. Even if they are "ONLY
>>about looking."
>
>That's ridiculous. There is no visual cue that would tell you whether
>someone is underage. There isn't even a written cue since it depends
>upon the locale.
From my conversations and from what I have heard, males are most often
sexually attracted by features of mature women, some of which are
indeed found in teenaged females. I've been wrong before, and I may
be wrong now, but I would hope that most men are attracted to those
sexual characteristics of mature women that teenage females sometimes
exhibit, rather than simply being attracted by teenage females because
of their being teenagers.
Galen Hekhuis
ghek...@earthlink.net
bam
There was Bill Clinton's last minute pardon of former Rep. Mel Reynolds,
D-IL, who had been imprisoned for having sex with a 16-year-old staffer. (He
was later hired by Jesse Jackson's Rainbow/PUSH Coalition; both Clinton and
Jackson had also had sex with subordinates.) There is the case of Rep.
Barney Frank, D-MA, whose office housed a prostitution ring. However, less
known is one Hawaiian case, in which more than seven high ranking Democrat
senators and representatives (and one Republican) worked to assist one Leon
Rouse - a convicted child molester serving time on underage sex charges in
the Philippines. Rouse, now released after 8 years in prison, was hired last
session as an employee of a Democrat-controlled Hawaii state Legislative
Committee. 2008 Democratic presidential hopeful Russ Feingold also came to
his defense, along with a Clinton-era U.S. embassy and more than
half-a-dozen Democrats.
> STOP REPUBLICAN PEDOPHILIA
But Democratic pedophilia is OK?
BAM
Yang, AthD (h.c)
<deseah...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>"Yang, AthD (h.c)" <eacmole@/*AWOLBUSH*/mail.com> wrote in message
>news:nf6p545cdk0dithan...@4ax.com...
>> On Wed, 18 Jun 2008 09:50:03 -0400, "SeahawkFan"
>> <deseah...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>"Yang, AthD (h.c)" <eacmole@/*AWOLBUSH*/mail.com> wrote out of
>>>desperation...
>>>
>>>What Yang purposely ignores as he continues to whine, cry, and lie...
>>
>> Oh look, pedophile apologist Bobby Heishman equallys Republican
>> pedophilia with sex between consenting adults
>
>Oh look, Yang lies again.
>No one can find any evidence of me EVER BEING A pedophile apologist.
You think consensual sex by a Democrat is equivalent to pedophilia by
a Republican.
QED.
Why are you conservative scums so dishonest?
>A lie: A statement made by a person when that person knows it's false.
>
>Yang knows I'm no pedophile apologist, in fact I detest any pedophile.
>Therefore, he willingly lies.
>
>
>
>>
>> STOP REPUBLICAN PEDOPHILIA
>
>
>STOP YANGS LIES
--
james g. keegan jr.
news:wvCdnRkHC4zmacHV...@comcast.com:
> "Yang, AthD (h.c)" <eacmole@/*AWOLBUSH*/mail.com> wrote in message
> news:nf6p545cdk0dithan...@4ax.com...
>> pedophilia with sex between consenting adults
>
> Oh look, Yang lies again.
coming from you, the sleazeball known as the abortion newsgroups' most
prolific liar, your statement carries little or no weight.
--
"You tried to steal the identity of a James G. Keegan Jr. who did in
fact author a book, and you're trying to convince people that you are
the same person." -- corrupt prison clerk heishman lying as "Osprey"
in an effort to cover-up his earlier lie that i was not an author
<noneedtok...@mail.com>
in<v4qdndNQW_fFAMXanZ2dnUVZ_sOrn...@comcast.com>
Sonnova
(in article <79up54lgdtob70vkh...@4ax.com>):
Sexual attraction - having interest aroused at seeing/meeting someone who is
sending out all of the correct sexual cues: Looks, movements, sound of the
voice, personality, and perhaps smell on a pheromone level.
Sexual arousal - a "stirring" in the loins caused by the proximity of a
sexually attractive person.
Arousal and attraction are differentiated by degree. Attraction is a
conscious, intellectual response to a sexual stimulus and arousal is a
physical response.
I see women every day in whom I am physically, sexually interested. If she
looks right, I'll notice. However, these same gorgeous women of all ages,
while I might find them attractive, they don't arouse me. Now a fine -looking
lady sitting in my lap trying to eat my face will probably cause arousal <G>.
You forget (or perhaps you didn't know - given some of your statements, the
latter would not surprise me much) that in this society, the women make
virtually ALL of the mating decisions. It takes two to tango as they say, and
we must not forget that human males are biologically programmed to be ready
to tango with any woman he finds attractive. Now, unless we are ready to
state that all human males are capable of rape (which is a crime of violence,
and the sexual component is not the major one) most men can be deflected by a
deflating glance or word from the female in question. So the answer to your
naive question is no, men wouldn't behave any differently, because women
wouldn't behave any differently. If the young woman makes advances or uses
body language that invites, it is only the laws and moral codes which would
keep most men from responding. The law is there not so much to restrain men
from being predatory toward young women, but rather to remind us that our
society doesn't think that women below a certain chronological age are
capable of deciding whether or with whom to have sexual intercourse. This law
goes for young guys too - and women have been prosecuted for statutory rape
of under-aged males, but it's rare. Society doesn't really care if a 14
year-old boy screws a 25-year old woman, and we seem to tolerate him screwing
a 14-year old girl (as long as she doesn't get pregnant), and let's face it,
the average 14 year-old boy is a lot more apt to brag to his buds about
screwing the 25 year-old than he is likely to complain about it to
authorities. Then of course there is a physical limitation to a woman
"raping" a guy. If he isn't interested in her advances, there is not much
that she can do about it.
Sonnova
(in article <l6up54pvoo8uufse4...@4ax.com>):
No one in this thread has ever said or even intimated that they were
attracted to teen-aged girls just because they are teens. Obviously, the
attractiveness to any healthy male comes from the girl's mature "assets".
Let's face it, youth is beautiful and we are attracted to it in one way or
another. Have you ever seen or heard the word "ripe" applied to a teenaged
girl? It basically says it all. Ripe means mature and infers the peak of
perfection as in: "She was the ripest 16-year old to ever hit our town. My
Ol' Man's eyes were bulging from their sockets like two weather balloons on
tethers..." ("The Grandstand Passion Play of Delbert and the Bumpus Hounds"
By Jean Shepherd). So, in this discussion, to avoid any further
miscommunication, most of us mean physically ripe teenage girls, not
children.
Sonnova
(in article <d3up54d2g9m4dsb46...@4ax.com>):
That's because SOCIETY, not nature has decided that there is some magic age
barrier below which a human is considered capable of making mating decisions.
Nature makes no such demarcation. And you keep obfuscating this discussion
with sexual action when it is merely the admiration of a young woman's beauty
and sexual attractiveness that's being discussed here. We have established
time and time again here, that it is not proper or socially acceptable to act
upon that attractiveness.
> You can argue until you are blue in the face
> that a young woman has all the necessary physical characteristics of
> "adult" women, but often until she has reached a certain chronological
> point (counting from a "birth certificate" for you) she will not be
> accepted as a woman in that society.
In what way is her acceptance as a woman to do with her sexual attractiveness
to men?
> The won't even be considered as
> a potential mate by anyone (including males) in that society.
All of this is irrelevant to this debate.
> Not being a "woman," and definitely not being a man, she will be
> considered a child until she reaches a particular age, and which point
> she may undergo some kind of ritual changing her status from "child"
> to "woman." This is frequently observed in tribal society, and the
> demarcation between "child" and "woman" rarely has anything to do with
> physical characteristics.
Nor has it anything to do with our discussion. Let me reiterate the debating
point for you. Many of us say that it is normal for men of all ages to
recognize and delight in the physical beauty of a nubile young girl even
though she be legally underage. Others say (and this seems to be your
contention) that men need to check the age (as if the girl were buying booze
at the grocery store) of the scantily clad young lovely seen on the beach
before ogling her. Does that sum it up? Because if it doesn't, then we are
arguing at cross purposes.
>
> Galen Hekhuis
> ghek...@earthlink.net
SeahawkFan
> On Sat, 21 Jun 2008 08:30:50 -0400, "SeahawkFan"
> <deseah...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>"Yang, AthD (h.c)" <eacmole@/*AWOLBUSH*/mail.com> wrote in message
>>news:nf6p545cdk0dithan...@4ax.com...
>>> On Wed, 18 Jun 2008 09:50:03 -0400, "SeahawkFan"
>>> <deseah...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>"Yang, AthD (h.c)" <eacmole@/*AWOLBUSH*/mail.com> wrote out of
>>>>desperation...
>>>>
>>>>What Yang purposely ignores as he continues to whine, cry, and lie...
>>>
>>> Oh look, pedophile apologist Bobby Heishman equallys Republican
>>> pedophilia with sex between consenting adults
>>
>>Oh look, Yang lies again.
>>No one can find any evidence of me EVER BEING A pedophile apologist.
>
> You think consensual sex by a Democrat is equivalent to pedophilia by
> a Republican.
When did I ever say that? Do you have a cite?
Why are you so dishonest?
Yang, AthD (h.c)
wrote:
So in response to 80-100 instances of GOP pedophilia, you came up
with... 2? The same 2 you GOPedophile cite to pretend how Democrats
are supposedly as likely to molest little children as your
GOPedophiles?
All you proved is that Republicans are about 40 times more likely to
molest children than a Democrat. Exactly what you set out to
establish, I'm sure.
Yang, AthD (h.c)
<deseah...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>"Yang, AthD (h.c)" <eacmole@/*AWOLBUSH*/mail.com> wrote in message
>news:25eq54ldi0kpvu7mn...@4ax.com...
>> On Sat, 21 Jun 2008 08:30:50 -0400, "SeahawkFan"
>> <deseah...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>"Yang, AthD (h.c)" <eacmole@/*AWOLBUSH*/mail.com> wrote in message
>>>news:nf6p545cdk0dithan...@4ax.com...
>>>> On Wed, 18 Jun 2008 09:50:03 -0400, "SeahawkFan"
>>>> <deseah...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>"Yang, AthD (h.c)" <eacmole@/*AWOLBUSH*/mail.com> wrote out of
>>>>>desperation...
>>>>>
>>>>>What Yang purposely ignores as he continues to whine, cry, and lie...
>>>>
>>>> Oh look, pedophile apologist Bobby Heishman equallys Republican
>>>> pedophilia with sex between consenting adults
>>>
>>>Oh look, Yang lies again.
>>>No one can find any evidence of me EVER BEING A pedophile apologist.
>>
>> You think consensual sex by a Democrat is equivalent to pedophilia by
>> a Republican.
>
>When did I ever say that? Do you have a cite?
>
>Why are you so dishonest?
Here, in resposne to all the instances of Repubilcans caught molesting
children, you provided instances of Democrats having sex with
consenting adults.
[1]http://groups.google.com/group/alt.abortion/browse_frm/thread/6d174d210b468253/dae2a9bebee811e1?lnk=st&q=yang+alt.atheism+republican+pedophilia#dae2a9bebee811e1
[2]http://groups.google.com/group/alt.abortion/browse_frm/thread/416128559ab24804/44538c944e2ac287?lnk=st&q=yang+alt.atheism+republican+pedophilia#44538c944e2ac287
[3]http://groups.google.com/group/alt.abortion/browse_frm/thread/416128559ab24804/44538c944e2ac287?lnk=st&q=yang+alt.atheism+republican+pedophilia#44538c944e2ac287
Why are you so dishonest? Oh that's right, you're a Republican. Lying
comes natural to you.
Gwen
> "Yang, AthD (h.c)" <eacmole@/*AWOLBUSH*/mail.com> wrote in messagenews:nf6p545cdk0dithan...@4ax.com...
>
> > On Wed, 18 Jun 2008 09:50:03 -0400, "SeahawkFan"
> > <deseahawk...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> >>"Yang, AthD (h.c)" <eacmole@/*AWOLBUSH*/mail.com> wrote out of
> >>desperation...
>
> >>What Yang purposely ignores as he continues to whine, cry, and lie...
>
> > Oh look, pedophile apologist Bobby Heishman equallys Republican
> > pedophilia with sex between consenting adults
>
> Oh look, Yang lies again.
> No one can find any evidence of me EVER BEING A pedophile apologist.
You have the credibility of a criminal.
bam
> On Sat, 21 Jun 2008 12:38:51 -0400, "bam" <mcca...@bellsouth.net>
> wrote:
>
>>
>>There was Bill Clinton's last minute pardon of former Rep. Mel Reynolds,
>>D-IL, who had been imprisoned for having sex with a 16-year-old staffer.
>>(He
>>was later hired by Jesse Jackson's Rainbow/PUSH Coalition; both Clinton
>>and
>>Jackson had also had sex with subordinates.) There is the case of Rep.
>>Barney Frank, D-MA, whose office housed a prostitution ring. However, less
>>known is one Hawaiian case, in which more than seven high ranking Democrat
>>senators and representatives (and one Republican) worked to assist one
>>Leon
>>Rouse - a convicted child molester serving time on underage sex charges in
>>the Philippines. Rouse, now released after 8 years in prison, was hired
>>last
>>session as an employee of a Democrat-controlled Hawaii state Legislative
>>Committee. 2008 Democratic presidential hopeful Russ Feingold also came to
>>his defense, along with a Clinton-era U.S. embassy and more than
>>half-a-dozen Democrats.
>>
>>> STOP REPUBLICAN PEDOPHILIA
>>
>>But Democratic pedophilia is OK?
>>
>>BAM
>>
>
> So in response to 80-100 instances of GOP pedophilia, you came up
> with... 2?
Ahhhh so it's a matter of who does more research? Is there any sexual act
outside of pedophilia you object to?
BAM
Ray Fischer
>>Humans have several hundred millenia of evolution to create a standard
>>of attraction that makes young and healthy women attractive. Your
>>personal standards aren't likely to change that anytime soon.
>
>Humans also have big brains, and are fully capable of overriding or
>supressing even several hundred millenia of evolution.
Why should they?
--
Ray Fischer
rfis...@sonic.net
Yang, AthD (h.c)
wrote:
Because it's not like you Republican need facts right?
As as for your fake Catholic morality, let recap where we are shall
we?
Atheists like me are opopsed to pedophilia, and as such we don't
molest little children or condone those who do.
Catholics like you say you are opopsed to pedophilia, and as such you
condone those who do as long as they are part of the Catholic
authority.
Who has better morality again, bitch?
Oh and as for your bullshit ourtage iver gays marriages, I'll take a
gay marriage over a Catholic pedophile apologist like you any day.
Alex W.
If you didn't believe them to be at least partially correct, they would not
upset you as they do.
>
>>At the risk of wasting my words: sexual attraction does not, I repeat,
>>does
>>NOT equate to sexual arousal.
>
> Perhaps to you. I'm not so sure there is a clear distinction. Could
> you supply your definitions of those terms?
The difference is a whole order of magnitude. It is entirely possible --
indeed, quite common -- for a man to appreciate a woman's attractiveness
without immediately plotting to jump her bones.
>
>>Men do not turn into slavering sex fiends at
>>the mere sight of anything female.
>
> Of course, I never claimed anything remotely like that. I agree with
> you.
Your reaction leads to a different conclusion.
>
>>The two are worlds apart. For you to
>>conflate the two very distinct states is either naiveté or a sneaky
>>shifting
>>of goalposts.
>
> So tell us HOW they are so different. You've asserted so far that
> they are "worlds apart." Tell us how.
An attraction is an awareness of female attributes, a receptiveness to and
acknowledgment of the signals sent. Age, BTW, is not one of those signals.
An arousal takes this much further. It hits not only the basic biological
buttons common to all of us but triggers a person's individual psychosexual
markers. IOW, I may note a girl's pert backside (attraction) but unless a
female tush is one of my special triggers, I won't go to the next level
(arousal).
The sick part comes into play only when a man's (or a woman's -- yes, it
happens) sexual wiring is faulty and the prime characteristic triggering his
response is specifically youth rather than any of the normal cues.
>
>>> You have to ask yourself, is it "normal" for men to find adult
>>> characteristics of teenaged females sexually attractive, or is it
>>> actually "normal" for men to find teenaged females (and some of them
>>> are almost children) sexually attractive? There is a vast difference.
>>
>>Biologically, once a female hits nubility -- usually close to the end of
>>puberty -- she is no longer a girl. Biology doesn't care about silly
>>human
>>labels or the legal importance of birthdates. Biology determines that a
>>girl starts to throw off signals which any male of whatever age is
>>programmed to receive. Your disapproval is quite irrelevant to this
>>entirely natural and instinctual process.
>
> You are correct, my approval or disapproval has little to do with it.
> My contention is that males are sexually attracted to mature
> characteristics of women which may indeed be found in teenage females,
> rather than the sexual attraction is that the females are teenagers.
That is correct. As I said earlier, women begin to display those
characteristics from puberty; it is therefore only natural for men to
experience attraction.
>
>>BTW, has it not occurred to you that the very "age of consent" laws are in
>>themselves an acknowledgment that such an attraction exists?
>
> I thought most males were capable of behaving even without such laws,
> and that such laws (indeed many laws) are in place to deal with the
> few that can't. Am I wrong? Are you of the opinion that most (or
> even many) men would behave differently if such laws were not enacted?
As an aside: the age of consent is an entirely arbitrary distinction, a
necessary legal fiction. Depending on the culture, they may vary widely --
as indeed they do in the US, from 14 to 18. In Mexico, it ranges from 12 to
18 according to state laws. Basically, they had to set a bar and picked a
number that seemed right.
In general, I do believe that the vast majority of men are capable of
policing their own reactions. We know it's wrong. The trouble is that the
legalities can conflict with reality; nothing much can be done if both
parties are of age, however, unready they may be, but there are those cases
where physical development makes a mockery of the law....
james g. keegan jr.
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> "Galen Hekhuis" <ghek...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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>> Not at all. I'm not sure where you got the idea that I think that
>> males are constantly sexually obsessed, or that a male's first
>> reaction is always one of sexual aggression, or that all men are
>> rapists. But where you got the idea is nowhere near as important
>> that I subscribe to none of those thoughts.
>
> If you didn't believe them to be at least partially correct, they would
> not upset you as they do.
i doubt you would have said that if you were not guilty of all of the lies
about galen. you probably thought that trying to puff up those lies would
divert attention from you. reason isn't your strong suit, is it?
bam
This is what happens when you ask an atheist a simple question.
BAM
Gwen Bennet
So it appears.