Re: Why Isn't Socialism Dead?
Darwin123
> On Dec 17, 11:28 pm, rfisc...@sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote:
>
> > >Companies COMPETE against each other for resources.
>
> > Says who?
>
> Idiocy from a jackass who can't seem to figure out that there mght be
> a connection between wealth and capitalism, given that ALL the richest
> countries in the world are seriously capitalist, and the poorest
> socialist...
>
> > > Labor is just
> > >another resource.
>
> > And there is usually an excess. Which is why workers COMPETE against
> > each other for jobs. And one outcome is the fact that wages have
> > remained flat for the past decade.
>
> I ALREADY derived a demand curve for labor for you. w = Pf'(L).
> Can't get around that.
Why did you post to an atheism forum? I am sure many atheists
aren't socialist, just as I am sure many atheists aren't capitalists.
There are countries with Christian Socialist parties. Some of the
Moslem countries are socialist or have socialist-leaning tendencies.
Many of the sayings of Jesus himself recommend distribution of the
wealth from rich to poor. I am not saying Jesus was right or wrong
here.
I think one could make a judgment that is just as far sweeping as
yours. I would say that the poorest countries are highly religious,
and often lack a secular infrastructure. Although socialism is a
predictor, religion is a far better predictor of poverty. The poorest
South American countries are heavily Catholic. The poorest areas of
the United States are heavily religious.
India until recently was very poor. It's recent improvement in
economic fortune (relatively speaking) is not correlated with
fundamental changes in government one way or the other. However, I do
notice that the religious conflicts in that country seem to be greatly
reduced from the past.
This will get just about everyone mad at me |:-) The upturn in
economic activity is not strictly correlated with either socialism or
capitalism in government. It sometimes seems to be correlated to the
strengthening of secular institutions over religious institutions.
Howard Brazee
<drose...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Why did you post to an atheism forum? I am sure many atheists
>aren't socialist, just as I am sure many atheists aren't capitalists.
It demonstrates that it's a Religious argument. "Socialism" is a
magic word that is about Satan drawing people from the One True Way.
Therefore reality doesn't matter, facts don't matter, only Belief
matters.
--
"In no part of the constitution is more wisdom to be found,
than in the clause which confides the question of war or peace
to the legislature, and not to the executive department."
- James Madison
Darwin123
> On Wed, 30 Dec 2009 15:34:21 -0800 (PST), Darwin123
>
> > Why did you post to an atheism forum? I am sure many atheists
> >aren't socialist, just as I am sure many atheists aren't capitalists.
>
> It demonstrates that it's a Religious argument. "Socialism" is a
> magic word that is about Satan drawing people from the One True Way.
> Therefore reality doesn't matter, facts don't matter, only Belief
> matters.
>
say they were the most anticapitalist forces ever. Their programs
would fit very well with the most serious Communist agendas. The Kings
were very often antimerchant and antirich and anticompetition. Jesus
was antimerchant and anticompetition. The Old Testament bans lending
money, even if later generations spun the commandments. Religious
scripture, when given a cold reading, always recommend public
distribution of wealth.
Granted, communist countries often are antireligious. The OP
for some reason decided to use the word Socialist instead of
Communist. This choice of words makes me think that he objects to
income tax more than he does mass murder. Why did he use the word
"Socialist" rather than "Communist?"
Maybe he was including the German National Socialists. Because
modern day descendants of the Nazis are almost uniformly Fundmentalist
Christians.
Again, I am not necessarily panning either Socialism or
Capitalism. I am just wondering why the OP decided that Socialists
were of special interest to Atheists.
Howard Brazee
<drose...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Again, I am not necessarily panning either Socialism or
>Capitalism. I am just wondering why the OP decided that Socialists
>were of special interest to Atheists.
Because they fit into the category of "not My Way". There are only
two ways.