Guess who Mississippians have turned to to improve their rural health care system?
Spartakus
hypertension and teenage pregnancy in the U.S. More than 20% of its
people have no health insurance. So where are Mississippi health
professionals turning to for a model of a low-cost rural health care
system that works? The answer will surprise you:
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/middle_east/article6962844.ece
Yes, the answer is Iran. Since the 1979 revolution, health care
professionals have developed a rural health care system that have
produced stunning improvements, reducing child mortality rates by 69%
and maternal mortality from 300 per 100,000 births to 30.
Can the BEST HEALTHCARE SYSTEM IN THE WORLD learn something from the
citizens of a country whose government is preoccupied with Islamic
purity and thumbing its nose at the U.S.? Will certain political
types let it?
Stan de SD
> Mississippi has the highest levels of infant mortality, child obesity,
> hypertension and teenage pregnancy in the U.S. More than 20% of its
> people have no health insurance. So where are Mississippi health
> professionals turning to for a model of a low-cost rural health care
> system that works? The answer will surprise you:
>
>
> Yes, the answer is Iran. Since the 1979 revolution, health care
> professionals have developed a rural health care system that have
> produced stunning improvements, reducing child mortality rates by 69%
> and maternal mortality from 300 per 100,000 births to 30.
>
> Can the BEST HEALTHCARE SYSTEM IN THE WORLD learn something from the
> citizens of a country whose government is preoccupied with Islamic
> purity and thumbing its nose at the U.S.? Will certain political
> types let it?
Since you lefties think free health care is the most important and/or
desired commodity by most people, and you are always crowing about how
dictatorships like Iran and Cuba have great free health care, why
don't you just MOVE there yourselves?
Personally, most of us would rather have free speech than free
healthcare...
james g. keegan jr.
<4f5be8ef-b52e-416a...@f5g2000yqh.googlegroups.com>,
wow. i thought the "love it or leave it" wackjobs all died out 40 years
ago.
5321 Dead, 454 since 1/20/09
But thanks to bozos like yourself, we stand to end up with neither.
Spartakus
Aw, Stan, are you finally ashamed of the American health care system?
Are your cheeks burning with embarrassment that the U.S. is 50th in
life expectancy? Are you abashed that Americans pay almost twice as
much for their health care, with poorer outcomes, than just about
every other developed country? If not, why not?
My post was not an endorsement of Iran's religious-dominated
politics. I just enjoy the irony here. Even though Iran is ruled by
nutjobs, its citizens are smart enough to create a health care system
that is effective and doesn't cost an arm and a leg. Whereas, *you*
prefer a system where you pay through the nose for the privilege of
being denied coverage. Who's smarter here? Mehdi the MD or Stan de
SD?
> Personally, most of us would rather have free speech than free
> healthcare...
Fallacy of false dilemma.
jls
Exactly, and why not have both healthcare AND free speech?
Stan de SD
> In article
> <4f5be8ef-b52e-416a-a57e-30638e0c5...@f5g2000yqh.googlegroups.com>,
I don't know about "love it or leave it", but you're clearly still
around, which effectively refutes the idea that all the wackjobs died
out...
Stan de SD
wrote:
Are your comments based on any facts or logic, or the usual lefty
detachment from reality?
Stan de SD
Yet all the lefties prop up examples of countries with no freedom or
individual rights as wonderful because they have free health care. Why
is that?
Spartakus
> > Fallacy of false dilemma.
Canada, France, Sweden and Japan have no freedoms or individual
rights???
You're a funny guy, Stan. I'm glad you're on Usenet.
Stan de SD
> Stan de SD <stand...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Spartakus <sparta...@my-deja.com> wrote:
> > > Stan de SD <stand...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > Personally, most of us would rather have free speech than free
> > > > healthcare...
> > > Fallacy of false dilemma.
> > Yet all the lefties prop up examples of countries with no freedom or
> > individual rights as wonderful because they have free health care. Why
> > is that?
>
> Canada, France, Sweden and Japan have no freedoms or individual
> rights???
Your post referred to IRAN. Are you suffering AIDS-related dementia or
what, Sparky?
Paladin
Let's see now....Finland, Sweden, France, Switzerland,
Germany, England, Canada--28 industrialized nations
have universal health care. Most of whom enjoy more
freedom than we do here.
Why doesn’t the United States have universal health
care as a right of citizenship? The United States is
the only industrialized nation that does not guarantee
access to health care as a right of citizenship. 28
industrialized nations have single payer universal
health care systems, while 1 (Germany) has a multipayer
universal health care system like President Clinton
proposed for the United States.
2. Myth One: The United States has the best health
care system in the world.
* Fact One: The United States ranks 23rd in
infant mortality, down from 12th in 1960 and 21st in 1990
* Fact Two: The United States ranks 20th in
life expectancy for women down from 1st in 1945 and
13th in 1960
* Fact Three: The United States ranks 21st in
life expectancy for men down from 1st in 1945 and 17th
in 1960.
* Fact Four: The United States ranks between
50th and 100th in immunizations depending on the
immunization. Overall US is 67th, right behind Botswana
* Fact Five: Outcome studies on a variety of
diseases, such as coronary artery disease, and renal
failure show the United States to rank below Canada and
a wide variety of industrialized nations.
* Conclusion: The United States ranks poorly
relative to other industrialized nations in health care
despite having the best trained health care providers
and the best medical infrastructure of any
industrialized nation.
Paladin
O ignorant one, allow me to explain the reference to
you. Iran was mentioned as an example of a dirt poor
nation (per capita) that still manages to provide
health care for all. Another example is poor little
Botswana.
5321 Dead, 454 since 1/20/09
Libertarians are trying to equate health care with freedom. The conceit
is that only tyrannies provide health care for all.
Actually, withholding health care is the far greater tyranny, but I never
met a libertarian who didn't love tyranny, just so long as it was
privatized tyranny.
Spartakus
> Spartakus <sparta...@my-deja.com> wrote:
> > Stan de SD <stand...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > Spartakus <sparta...@my-deja.com> wrote:
> > > > Stan de SD <stand...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > Personally, most of us would rather have free speech than free
> > > > > healthcare...
> > > > Fallacy of false dilemma.
> > > Yet all the lefties prop up examples of countries with no freedom or
> > > individual rights as wonderful because they have free health care. Why
> > > is that?
> > Canada, France, Sweden and Japan have no freedoms or individual
> > rights???
> Your post referred to IRAN.
You mentioned *countries*. That's plural. Last time I checked, there
weren't multiple countries called "Iran".
> Are you suffering AIDS-related dementia or
> what, Sparky?
You're a funny guy, Stan, but fuck you all the same.
Stan de SD
wrote:
The concept is that it's not the job of the government to provide you
with health care.
Ray Fischer
A concept which is self-serving and typical of greedy rightards who
would just as soon see people dead.
But the Constitution has that clause about "promote the general
welfare" and so that justifies health care. And the fact that you
rightards would rather pay twice as much just to spite others only
reveals the moral bankruptcy of your cult.
--
Ray Fischer
rfis...@sonic.net
5321 Dead, 454 since 1/20/09
Yes, actually, it is.
Michael Ejercito
> hypertension and teenage pregnancy in the U.S. More than 20% of its
> people have no health insurance. So where are Mississippi health
> professionals turning to for a model of a low-cost rural health care
> system that works? The answer will surprise you:
>
>
> Yes, the answer is Iran. Since the 1979 revolution, health care
> professionals have developed a rural health care system that have
> produced stunning improvements, reducing child mortality rates by 69%
> and maternal mortality from 300 per 100,000 births to 30.
>
> Can the BEST HEALTHCARE SYSTEM IN THE WORLD learn something from the
> citizens of a country whose government is preoccupied with Islamic
> purity and thumbing its nose at the U.S.? Will certain political
> types let it?
expensive.
That should tell you something...
Michael
Michael Ejercito
Or ANY state constitution?
Michael
Paladin
Yes, it tells us that the Feds finally took over the
burden.
Michael Ejercito
> Michael Ejercitowrote:
Remember that Hawaii has greater per-capita wealth than the nation
as a whole.
Michael
Paladin
I didn't say that, Michael. Hawaii and every other
state was a lot better off before Bush's tax cuts for
the wealthy forced states to pick up the burden for
many social services. This of course, forced them to
make painful cuts in many things. The number of
firefighters; the money available for health care and
education; the number of policemen protecting the
streets to name a few. The Republicans did a lot of
harm in 16 of the last 20 years.
Steve
53"@giganews.com> wrote:
So says Milt Shook who pissed away his future recently by cashing in
his deferred retirement account...
"paladin is Milt Shook, of course... Shook's
ignorance stands out like a turd in a punchbowl.
BTW, Milt, how's that big important job at sequel services
working for you? Hahahahaha
Michael Ejercito
> Michael Ejercitowrote:
> > On Jan 6, 10:30 am, Paladin <"paladin 53"@giganews.com> wrote:
> >> Michael Ejercitowrote:
> >>> expensive.
> >>> That should tell you something...
> >>> Michael
> >> Yes, it tells us that the Feds finally took over the
> >> burden.
> > And the feds would do a better job than Hawaii?
>
> > Remember that Hawaii has greater per-capita wealth than the nation
> > as a whole.
>
> > Michael
>
> I didn't say that, Michael. Hawaii and every other
> state was a lot better off before Bush's tax cuts for
> the wealthy forced states to pick up the burden for
> many social services. This of course, forced them to
> make painful cuts in many things. The number of
> firefighters; the money available for health care and
> education; the number of policemen protecting the
> streets to name a few. The Republicans did a lot of
> harm in 16 of the last 20 years.
Michael
Paladin
Stevie, I'm going to ignore you till you have something
intelligent to say.
Paladin
Well, for one thing, so many state and local
governments are corrupt, like those here in MS. The
state has casinos which they tax and control to ensure
big taxes and still the state's income tax is higher
than surrounding states. And other than that, some low
population states and low average income have a lower
tax base--but their people still have the needs for the
services larger, richer states easily provide. And
then there's the Federal tax cuts along with cuts in
government programs that benefited states.
Steve
53"@giganews.com> wrote:
Run away, Milt.. that's what you always do... ...so aren't you
going to tell us more about your life in Bolovia wityh that rich
wife?? and shouldn't you elaborate on your experiences in Viet Nam?
Hell Shook, you haven't even explained why your resume doesn't include
your being a Congressional Page....
...and you never answered my question about whether you ever found out
about your boy's real father..
Quadibloc
> Can the BEST HEALTHCARE SYSTEM IN THE WORLD learn something from the
> citizens of a country whose government is preoccupied with Islamic
> purity and thumbing its nose at the U.S.? Will certain political
> types let it?
Well, at least they didn't try studying the health care system of that
hotbed of radical socialism to the north... Canada.
Maybe they felt Iran would be more tolerant of slavery. Sa'udi Arabia
certainly was.
Still, if Mississippi is such an impoverished state that it has to
study the health care of a poor country like Iran, at least this might
make the Iranians feel needed, and make them less hostile to the
United States. But I have to admit that I find this news item bizarre.
John Savard
Quadibloc
But with Canada, France, and Sweden to look at, why do the lefties
even mention Cuba or Iran when they should know they will just scare
people?
Anyways, Canada makes it hard for people to own guns.
John Savard
Spartakus
> > Can the BEST HEALTHCARE SYSTEM IN THE WORLD learn something
> > from the citizens of a country whose government is preoccupied with Islamic
> > purity and thumbing its nose at the U.S.? Will certain political
> > types let it?
> Well, at least they didn't try studying the health care system of that
> hotbed of radical socialism to the north... Canada.
Well, if you ever get tired of receiving medical treatment without
seeing a bill, you're more than welcome to emigrate here, John.
> Maybe they felt Iran would be more tolerant of slavery. Sa'udi Arabia
> certainly was.
Rather silly non sequitur there, but Iran's rural health care system
was put together by the citizens of Iran. Hardly a symptom of
slavery, theocracy notwithstanding.
> Still, if Mississippi is such an impoverished state that it has to
> study the health care of a poor country like Iran, at least this might
> make the Iranians feel needed, and make them less hostile to the
> United States. But I have to admit that I find this news item bizarre.
Actually, Iran is quite wealthy. Their only real liability is that
they are ruled by religious wackos.
Spartakus
> Spartakus <sparta...@my-deja.com> wrote:
> > Stan de SD <stand...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > Yet all the lefties prop up examples of countries with no freedom or
> > > individual rights as wonderful because they have free health care. Why
> > > is that?
> > Canada, France, Sweden and Japan have no freedoms or individual
> > rights???
> >
> > You're a funny guy, Stan. I'm glad you're on Usenet.
> But with Canada, France, and Sweden to look at, why do the lefties
> even mention Cuba or Iran when they should know they will just scare
> people?
I guess the line between "WTF???" and
"Aaaaaaaaaiiiiiiiiieeeeeeeee!!!!!!! Teh Mooooslims!!!!!!!!" is hard to
define.
> Anyways, Canada makes it hard for people to own guns.
Can't get that AK-47 you've been hankering for, huh?
Quadibloc
> Quadibloc <jsav...@ecn.ab.ca> wrote:
> > Maybe they felt Iran would be more tolerant of slavery. Sa'udi Arabia
> > certainly was.
>
> Rather silly non sequitur there, but Iran's rural health care system
> was put together by the citizens of Iran. Hardly a symptom of
> slavery, theocracy notwithstanding.
Sa'udi Arabia abolished slavery - and their slaves were Africans - in
1970.
It is at least possible, therefore, that some politicians from
Mississippi, which is located south of something known as the Mason-
Dixon line, might have felt that they would have found more kindred
spirits in the Islamic world... than in Canada, where slavery was
abolished in 1839, and to which many slaves escaped with the aid of
the Underground Railway. They might see us as more Yankee than the
Yankees (as in Northerners in general, and New Englanders in
particular, as opposed to those who are simply Americans), and they
might be right in this connection.
There was even a time during which Jackie Robinson played baseball for
a team from Montreal, I remember reading somewhere.
I am not denying that this could have been a misconception on their
part, since Iran is a world away from Sa'udi Arabia, and I don't think
they did keep slaves there. After all, they used to be under the
enlightened rule of Shah Mohammed Reza Pahlavi.
John Savard
Spartakus
Are you OK, John? You're not making a lick of sense.