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 More options Jun 4 1998, 3:00 am
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From: Ecli...@ticktock.dyn.ml.org
Date: 1998/06/04
Subject: Nuclear Hack

Wednesday June 3 6:12 PM EDT

Hackers claim entry to India atom research center

By James Glave

SAN FRANCISCO (Wired) - Three teenage computer hackers say they have broken
into computer systems at India's
Bhadha Atomic Research Center and that they are targeting Pakistani computers
in a protest against the two nations' recent
series of nuclear weapons tests.

In an interview conducted by Internet Relay Chat --- a venue that makes it
difficult to verify correspondents' real-world
identities -- the trio took credit for altering the research center's homepage
(http://www.barc.ernet.in) and said they had stolen
e-mail exchanged among Indian nuclear scientists in the weeks immediately
preceding and following weapons tests last month.

"We gained total control over six of the eight servers on the +.barc.ernet.in
domain," wrote a 17-year-old calling himself
savecOre, one of the three crackers who carried out the computer intrusion.
The break-in began on Monday and continued
today.

The three said that they had erased all data on two of BARC's servers as a
protest against that nation's nuclear weapons
development program.

"We were able to download several thousand pages of email and research before
we decided it was time to get out," said
savec0re, who did not disclose his real-world whereabouts. The group also
includes an individual named VeNoMouS, 18, who
says he lives in New Zealand, and JF, another 18-year-old who said he's a
resident of England. All three are members of an
organized cracking group called Milw0rm.

The trio mailed a number of e-mail files to Wired News to verify their claims.
The mails appear to include detailed scientific
discussions of nuclear physics and were dated as far back as last October and
as recently as Monday.

Authenticity of the files was not confirmed, and the Indian Embassy in
Washington, DC, did not immediately respond to a
request for comment. E-mail queries about the incident to representatives of
the Bhadha Atomic Research Center also went
unanswered.

The three hackers said they had only just begun to read through the e-mail,
which they said contained analysis of the five
nuclear blasts that India conducted beginning May 11. The group said they
grabbed the mail and also defaced the Indian
research center's homepage, mostly for thrills, but also to draw attention to
what they said was the threat of nuclear war.

"We disabled two of the eight servers as retaliation to the tests, but not
before our presence had been detected. This was early
this Wednesday," wrote savec0re.

The group's aim was straightforward, the three said: They want to register a
protest against the weapons tests.

"I'm just sick of nuclear (expletive)," said VeNoMouS, who added that he
learned how to crack from Ehud Tenebaum, aka
Analyzer, the Israeli teenager implicated in attacks on US government network
earlier this year.

"If you're gonna amass data which can take so many lives ... at least secure
it," said savec0re.

---

As of this morning, the Indian research center home page was disabled, and
displayed a directory listing of the facility's Web
server. This was likely because the Webmaster had deleted a spoof BARC page
that the crackers had posted. That page
showed a mushroom cloud and the text "If a nuclear war does start, you will be
the first to scream ..."

The cracking trio said that they had obtained root, or administrator level,
access to the Indian servers with a recently
discovered public vulnerability in the Sendmail mail server program. The
crackers claim that BARC was using an old and buggy
version of the mail program. The whole process was completed in 13 minutes and
52 seconds, they said.

"They had certain things secured to the bone, and yet other things were
completely obsolete," said savec0re.

JF said that he had launched his attack on the Indian servers by using an US
military network machine in the .mil domain.

---

The crackers say they're turning their attention to Pakistani government
computer systems, claiming to have obtained topology
maps for both Indian government networks and those maintained by Islamabad.
The trio said they intend to take a closer look
into Pakistan's nuclear weapons program.

News of the intrusions came a day after Jacques Gansler, US undersecretary of
defense for acquisition and technology, told an
industry-military forum that teenage crackers pose a "real threat environment"
to national security.

Peter Neumann, a critical infrastructure and security expert with SRI
International, said that the three teens weren't as much of a
threat as terrorists, but that India was "way behind" America in terms of
security.

"The fact that so many systems are all so weak is the biggest threat," Neumann
said. "The crisis has nothing do with teenagers
and everything to do with the fact that the US government is incapable of
ratcheting up its security."

(Editor's Note: Due to the anonymous nature of Internet Relay Chat, the
real-world identities of the individuals in this story
cound not be positively confirmed.)

(Reuters/Wired)
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From: defton...@aol.com (Deftone01)
Date: 1998/06/04
Subject: Re: Nuclear Hack

In article <6l69h9$3c...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>, Ecli...@ticktock.dyn.ml.org
writes:

My question is, after hacking a nuclear test site, where do you go from there?
Is there anything bigger, better?

Anyway, much more information can be found at www.antionline.com. You may also
want to check out www.sysfail.org. Members of milworm can also be found on irc
in #peng (I talked to some of them last night).

As far as I know, this is only one of three news stories on the hack. CNN, NBC,
ABC, CBS, etc. have not reported anything as of yet. They are probably awaiting
an official response to the hacks.

One thing that scares me... One the AntiOnline site they show the path of the
hackers. Now, their final leap to the nuke site was from an army.mil site.
Woulnd't that but the U.S. in a whole lot of trouble with India if the Indians
thought that the U.S. military was hacking their site to find information on
their nuclear testing.

dark phiber


 
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From: Todd Santos <t...@blerg.dyn.ml.org>
Date: 1998/06/04
Subject: Re: Nuclear Hack

Deftone01  got drunk in alt.2600 and incoherently spewed as such:

c[_]
: My question is, after hacking a nuclear test site, where do you go from there?
: Is there anything bigger, better?

probably not better, just different. but you get bragging rights for life after
a stunt like that. ;-)

: Anyway, much more information can be found at www.antionline.com. You may also
: want to check out www.sysfail.org. Members of milworm can also be found on irc
: in #peng (I talked to some of them last night).

nice. what net?

: As far as I know, this is only one of three news stories on the hack. CNN, NBC,
: ABC, CBS, etc. have not reported anything as of yet. They are probably awaiting
: an official response to the hacks.

*cough* official.

: One thing that scares me... One the AntiOnline site they show the path of the
: hackers. Now, their final leap to the nuke site was from an army.mil site.
: Woulnd't that but the U.S. in a whole lot of trouble with India if the Indians
: thought that the U.S. military was hacking their site to find information on
: their nuclear testing.

yup. which is interesting; the hackers were trying to keep a nuclear war from
happening, whilst unwittingly provoking tension between the US and India, by
looking like the US hacking India.

interesting, that an Indian gov site would run an old version of sendmail.
wonder how much they pay those sysadmins... :-)

: dark phiber

                                                        - Todd
--
use(IO::Socket);$rem=IO::Socket::INET->new("www.europa.com:80")||die($!);
open(C,">/tmp/uNF");select $rem;printf("GET /~bbobb/\n");select(C);print\
while(<$rem>);close($rem);close(C);system("lynx /tmp/uNF");unless(fork) {
sleep(20);unlink("/tmp/uNF");exit(0);}else{printf("Goodnight, Gracie.");}


 
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From: defton...@aol.com (Deftone01)
Date: 1998/06/05
Subject: Re: Nuclear Hack

In article <3576f8a...@206.170.198.12>, Todd Santos <t...@blerg.dyn.ml.org>
writes:

Yes, interesting point you make as well. I don't really think milworm was
protesting the nulcear testing...at least, I doubt that was their true
motivation. Supposedly, milworm jumped from about 3-4 different mil sites
before attacking barc.ernet.in. #peng can be found on efnet.

One general question that maybe anyone could answer. How would milworm fine out
that *.barc.ernet.in was a nuke research facility? I'm sure they didn't just
hope on yahoo and search for it. What would be one method of finding sites
under say *.army.mil or any other address?

dark phiber


 
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From: Ambitious Wench <A...@Discordia.com>
Date: 1998/06/05
Subject: Re: Nuclear Hack

Ecli...@ticktock.dyn.ml.org wrote regarding the Nuclear Nuking


<<Major Snip and his amazing shears was here>>

Ah, the youth of today--Ye Great Gods and little fishes, I have
hope--HOPE, I tells ya, for the future of the world.

"Brave New world, that has such creatures in it!"
"The Tempest" W. Shakespear

Feeling old and dusty
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From: "nuclear_intrusion" <nuclear_intrus...@mac16.globalnet.co.uk>
Date: 1998/06/05
Subject: Re: Nuclear Hack

Deftone01 wrote

>One general question that maybe anyone could answer. How would milworm fine
out
>that *.barc.ernet.in was a nuke research facility? I'm sure they didn't
just
>hope on yahoo and search for it. What would be one method of finding sites
>under say *.army.mil or any other address?

>dark phiber

Hey, Deftone, I think you can get info on how to find that at
www.nrdc.org/nrdc/nrdcpro/nuguide Might  be useful

nuclear_intrusion


 
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From: "nuclear_intrusion" <nuclear_intrus...@mac16.globalnet.co.uk>
Date: 1998/06/05
Subject: Re: Nuclear Hack

Ecli...@ticktock.dyn.ml.org wrote $3c...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>...

>Wednesday June 3 6:12 PM EDT

>Hackers claim entry to India atom research center

>By James Glave

<snipped>

Wasn't me, Guv, honest :-)

I think that Balif raised the most important point on the topic: India and
Pakistan can't afford to be throwing money away like that. With all the
military talk lately, I got interested, and though you might want to view
www.nrdc.org/nrdc/nrdcpro/nuguide/ It's got info on nuclear capabilities.
Thanks for a good post.

nuclear_intrusion
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From: Defiant <defi...@cyberdefiant.demon.co.uk>
Date: 1998/06/05
Subject: Re: Nuclear Hack

Its milw0rm not milworm!!!!!! I know them so stop it and don't use t
wrong!!!!
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From: "Mr.Pink" <davef...@draughnconclusions.com>
Date: 1998/06/05
Subject: Re: Nuclear Hack

LOL
"I know them so stop it...."!!!

Trying a little name drop?


 
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From: mach...@my-dejanews.com
Date: 1998/06/06
Subject: Re: Nuclear Hack - comment

There is bigger, at least there is for personal satisfaction.

My last feed is that milw0rm is hitting more indian servers as well as
pakistani. The choice of targets has narrowed though as india has
pulled most of ernet offline. We've noticed changes in the .pk
topology as well, although the information as of yet is vague as it
takes us 24-36 hours to update our topology maps. Anyhow, I can tell
you that the group has already penetrated a few subnets.

On a personal note; The wired news story is about 90-95% accurate, and
is therefore your best link to what's going on. Do not believe
ANYTHING put out there by JP (John Vranisevich) of AntiOnline as he is
a clueless media whore only trying to agrandise himself and his ego
with our story. I'd like to apologise to the people in the scene for
the huge media mess.

While most of the group is busy getting pimped by JP to the media I
refuse any further intercourse with the media. It's too full of lies
and this story has already gotten way more attention than it deserves.
I thought that a one day article on wired.com would complement the
happenings, but then JP started on his bandwagon, for that, I am
sorry. I am currently in a vicious war against JP but some of the
group does not share my views.

I'd be glad to hear your comments, both positive and negative in order
to sort out our immediate situation, thanks.

- savec0re

P.S. note to JP: Next time I see you I'm gonna bust your teeth up,
have a nice day

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From: j...@antionline.com
Date: 1998/06/06
Subject: Re: Nuclear Hack - comment

Greetings All:

This letter is in response to savec0re's last comments.  Although I usually
don't bother to respond to such childish comments, this one was directed
toward my journalistic integrity, so I feel a response is warrented.

I was contacted by JF, the senior member of MilW0rm, with information about
their hacks, as well as with an offer for an interview.  Of course I felt the
need to report this!  Like it or not, it was a major breach of India's
National Security, and that makes big news.

Every story that i've published to date have been checked by MilW0rm members
JF, KeyStroke, and VeNoMouS for accuracy before they ever see the light of
AntiOnline.

SaveC0re was the member of MilW0rm who first contacted the press, when he
sent a letter to Wired News.  He thought, as he said in his last post, that
it would just be up there for a day then be done with it.  Little did he know
that news stories done by wired are also distributed by reuters, which means
that they appear on all the major search engines and other on-line media news
sources. The wired reporter, James Glave, then did a cnn interview, and will
be on CBS on tuesday night.  So, if anything, it was that Wired interview
that made this story "huge".  With AntiOnline, my goal is to provide an open
medium for the other side of the story, the hackers, to appear.  It is my
feeling that far too often in mainstream media, hackers don't have the
opportunity to get their sides out.  It's always the government's views that
are told.

With the occasional exception, which savec0re is, most are happy with the way
that I cover them.  I will continue to follow my goals of educating the public
on computer security, and getting the hacker's side of the story told.

I will be posting no more reactions to this forum, even to the immature
replies to this letter from savec0re which I know are coming.

Yours In CyberSpace,
John Vranesevich
Founder, AntiOnline

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Date: 1998/06/06
Subject: Re: Nuclear Hack - comment

Savec0re couldn't have said it better myself. I will be on irc later so
see you there. Did you get told about what happened when I challenged
him on half the stuff about the exploits and proof of MOD etc last
night?
--
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From: south...@oz.fd1.uc.edu (Kamal S.)
Date: 1998/06/07
Subject: Re: Nuclear Hack

In article <3576f8a...@206.170.198.12>, Todd Santos  <bb...@europa.com> wrote:

->yup. which is interesting; the hackers were trying to keep a nuclear war
->from happening, whilst unwittingly provoking tension between the US and
->India, by

        Really ?  Well thats one hell of a naive  and idealistic goal
As if a web page hack would disuade India or Pakistan from a Nuclear War.

Incidently a war is the least likely possibility, short term anyway.  What
is more probable is a regional arms race for a number of years.

->interesting, that an Indian gov site would run an old version of
->sendmail. wonder how much they pay those sysadmins... :-)

        Big deal, there are .mil workstations that run  4.x versions of
sendmail(perhaps not for long).  If you have hundreds of systems to admin
its easy to overlook security upgrades, esp. if you believe that your
systems are low key and not well known :-/
--
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 acquire, and the benefits are manifest. With email you can get every
 get-rich quick offer ever invented. Twice a day! With Usenet you can
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Date: 1998/06/07
Subject: Re: Nuclear Hack

Kamal S. got drunk in alt.2600 and spewed as such:
: In article <3576f8a...@206.170.198.12>, Todd Santos  <bb...@europa.com> wrote:

: ->yup. which is interesting; the hackers were trying to keep a nuclear war
: ->from happening, whilst unwittingly provoking tension between the US and
: ->India, by

:       Really ?  Well thats one hell of a naive  and idealistic goal

I can't speak for milw0rm.

: As if a web page hack would disuade India or Pakistan from a Nuclear War.

*shrug* never know.

: Incidently a war is the least likely possibility, short term anyway.  What
: is more probable is a regional arms race for a number of years.

which will lead to war. you cannot buy arms just because the other guy is
doing it. you have to start a war to justify the weapons.

: ->interesting, that an Indian gov site would run an old version of
: ->sendmail. wonder how much they pay those sysadmins... :-)

:       Big deal, there are .mil workstations that run  4.x versions of
: sendmail(perhaps not for long).  If you have hundreds of systems to admin
: its easy to overlook security upgrades, esp. if you believe that your
: systems are low key and not well known :-/

or sufficiently firewalled.

                                                                - Todd
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use(IO::Socket);$rem=IO::Socket::INET->new("www.europa.com:80")||die($!);
open(C,">/tmp/uNF");select $rem;printf("GET /~bbobb/\n");select(C);print\
while(<$rem>);close($rem);close(C);system("lynx /tmp/uNF");unless(fork) {
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From: Ambitious Wench <eh...@home.com>
Date: 1998/06/07
Subject: Re: Nuclear Hack

  OK, this is where I get serious.  

First:  While I can appreciate milw0rm's altruistic goal of helping to
stop a nuclaer exchange between India and Pakastan, Hacking a webpage is
NOT the way to do it.  

I'm gonna drop a very simple analogy here:

You and your neighbor have been fueding for years over the strip of land
that runs between your houses.  

Occasionaly you've both been know to stand in the middle of the street
and scream obscenities at one another.  And while dannybrooking has
happened, arson hasn't.  

Then one day, you come home and find that your garage door has been
spray painted, your house ransacked, and NOT ONLY that, but your son of
a bitch neighbor has installed a fence on YOUR property, and is
rototilling his side of it, still on YOUR property.  It's been in the
90's, temp wise for a week, an now this.

It doesn't help matters that your garage door is painted with the words
"Make love, not war" does it, hmmm?

Look.  I'm all for the hack in that it revealed how vulnerable the sys
at the nuke facs was.  I also hope that the files taken will prove
useful in deterring nuclear war.  But fer christ's sake, Web page
hacking is NOT a means of stopping a war!  Disabling the bright red key
activated encrypted code required button IS!

Ambitious Wench
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Can anybody see what time the doomsday clock reads?


 
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From: "nuclear_intrusion" <nuclear_intrus...@mac16.globalnet.co.uk>
Date: 1998/06/07
Subject: Re: Nuclear Hack

I Spam My Enemies wrote:

>"nuclear_intrusion" wrote:

>>I think that Balif raised the most important point on the topic: India and
>>Pakistan can't afford to be throwing money away like that. With all the
>>military talk lately, I got interested, and though you might want to view
>>www.nrdc.org/nrdc/nrdcpro/nuguide/ It's got info on nuclear capabilities.

>Anyone think the foreign subsidies for India and Pakistan are going to
>be increased next year to "pacify" them?

I would hope that the opposite would do the trick, but India and Pakistan
rely too much on foreign aid. It couldn't be justified to reduce aid to
punish the people for a governmental problem. Giving more aid would just
make it easier for India and Pakistan to justify producing thses bombs. I
suppose something like improving trade relations, and investing into the two
countries would be usefull for the cause.

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