Ultra-Wideband [wireless USB] (for future alphagrip models?)

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john.sc...@gmail.com

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Jun 19, 2007, 2:40:49 AM6/19/07
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After years of preparation, Alereon has announced its wireless USB
(ultra-wideband) chips...

"The underlying radio technology (ultra-wideband, or UWB) uses
frequencies far above those usually employed for Wi-Fi, Bluetooth,
cellular phones and other wireless technologies.... It promises high
data transfer rates with *low* power consumption at the price of range
- the signal hardly goes further than 30 feet."

http://www.physorg.com/news101354815.html

Ultra-Wideband (wireless USB) is intended to replace the current wired
USB standard -- and provide additional possibilities, such as video
streaming. The vast array of possible applications gives UWB a good
shot at becoming the defacto interconnect standard in the home.

The first UWB products (hubs, dongles and bridge devices) will let
consumers clean up the cable clutter in their home. These first
generation devices have been on the market for several months, and
Belkin showed its Ultra-Wideband (UWB) hub at last year's Cebit:

http://www.engadget.com/2006/03/12/live-from-cebit-ultra-wideband-uwb-is-here-almost/

Doug Sims

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Jun 19, 2007, 10:07:48 AM6/19/07
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Yeah, this is the technology I was looking at also, but it is still not
ready. I have been reading reports for over a year that they are coming
out with something, but still nothing.
Right now, I think it is still just too expensive an option to go with
(if you can even find a device). And there is still the problem for the
AG of not having its own power source.

This might be an option in the future, but looking at possible
integration with mobile devices and easy wireless use. A bluetooth
connection is probably a better option (even though I'm not a fan of
bluetooth). Either way, I want a wireless option of some kind.

Doug

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Avery Sawaba

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Jun 20, 2007, 11:15:41 PM6/20/07
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Anyone have any idea how difficult it would be to cannibalize a bluetooth keyboard and mouse, and integrate them into an Alphagrip?

Fitting everything, charging rechargeable batteries and other hurdles aside, I'm just curious about how hard it would be just to get Alphagrip signals going through the bluetooth transmitters to a receiver.

--A

Doug

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Jun 21, 2007, 2:57:03 PM6/21/07
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This is the path I am interested in right now (at least until Mike
comes out with one to sell). My first idea was just to make the mouse
portion wireless (to get a scroll wheel, and an optical sensor in it)
using an extra wireless mouse I have laying around. The keyboard is a
little harder to do since it is sending a bit more information, but
all the wireless keyboards I have seen for sale are IR type wireless.

Theoretically, its just a USB signal coming from the AG. (i.e. its
just a USB keyboard), so the signal going through the bluetooth
shouldn't be too much of a problem. Of course, its a big problem for
me cause I don't know anything about bluetooth signals. I am also
going to look into some kind of custom wireless solution. This will
take a little bit of time though.

Do you have a bluetooth keyboard handy? If so, would you be willing to
crack it open?

The thing I'm wondering about though is if we need two receivers or
just one (one for mouse, and one for keyboard). This is why I was
considering something custom to handle both after the (USB) hub.

On Jun 20, 11:15 pm, "Avery Sawaba" <avery.saw...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Anyone have any idea how difficult it would be to cannibalize a bluetooth
> keyboard and mouse, and integrate them into an Alphagrip?
>
> Fitting everything, charging rechargeable batteries and other hurdles aside,
> I'm just curious about how hard it would be just to get Alphagrip signals
> going through the bluetooth transmitters to a receiver.
>
> --A
>

> On 6/19/07, Doug Sims <wdsim...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > Yeah, this is the technology I was looking at also, but it is still not
> > ready. I have been reading reports for over a year that they are coming
> > out with something, but still nothing.
> > Right now, I think it is still just too expensive an option to go with
> > (if you can even find a device). And there is still the problem for the
> > AG of not having its own power source.
>
> > This might be an option in the future, but looking at possible
> > integration with mobile devices and easy wireless use. A bluetooth
> > connection is probably a better option (even though I'm not a fan of
> > bluetooth). Either way, I want a wireless option of some kind.
>
> > Doug
>

> > john.schnitt...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > After years of preparation, Alereon has announced its wireless USB
> > > (ultra-wideband) chips...
>
> > > "The underlying radio technology (ultra-wideband, or UWB) uses
> > > frequencies far above those usually employed for Wi-Fi, Bluetooth,
> > > cellular phones and other wireless technologies.... It promises high
> > > data transfer rates with *low* power consumption at the price of range
> > > - the signal hardly goes further than 30 feet."
>
> > >http://www.physorg.com/news101354815.html
>
> > > Ultra-Wideband (wireless USB) is intended to replace the current wired
> > > USB standard -- and provide additional possibilities, such as video
> > > streaming. The vast array of possible applications gives UWB a good
> > > shot at becoming the defacto interconnect standard in the home.
>
> > > The first UWB products (hubs, dongles and bridge devices) will let
> > > consumers clean up the cable clutter in their home. These first
> > > generation devices have been on the market for several months, and
> > > Belkin showed its Ultra-Wideband (UWB) hub at last year's Cebit:
>

> >http://www.engadget.com/2006/03/12/live-from-cebit-ultra-wideband-uwb...

Avery Sawaba

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Jun 21, 2007, 11:13:45 PM6/21/07
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Nope, I don't. I was searching on Ebay hoping to find a broken one I could pull apart and came up empty handed. Bluetooth keyboards are still a bit on the expensive side for breaking into for parts. Unless the parts are generic enough that one could find them sold independantly...

Hmmm....

-A

Adrian Sanabria

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Jun 21, 2007, 11:20:40 PM6/21/07
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Cheapest (and smallest) thing I've found so far: http://gizmodo.com/gadgets/peripherals/brando-mini-bluetooth-keyboard-slightly-larger-than-tiny-199700.php

Only ~$50, and the thing is teeny. Parts from it should fit in the Alphagrip without use of a shoehorn.

-A

Mike Willner

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Jun 22, 2007, 10:34:07 AM6/22/07
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I have a Bluetooth keyboard I can send you if you want to experiment.

 

Mike


Adrian Sanabria

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Jun 24, 2007, 11:33:58 AM6/24/07
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That would be excellent!
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