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Thiago Maciel Oliveira  
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From: Thiago Maciel Oliveira <thiagomol...@gmail.com>
Date: Sat, 20 Jun 2009 17:40:55 -0300
Local: Sat, Jun 20 2009 4:40 pm
Subject: Um líder supremo perde sua aura, com manifestantes protestando pelas ruas.

A tradução é horrível, mas a emoção é genuína, hehehe.
Quando é que a gente vai organizar uma manifestação em favor do povo
iraniano?

Só na França, hoje, dezenas de milhares já lotaram as ruas (chequem no seu
google).

Viva a democracia e o fim das teocracias! (Parafraseando o Megadeth:
religious state: two words combined don't make no sense!"

E viva a Revolução Francesa!

OP-ED COLUMNIST
A Supreme Leader Loses His Aura as Iranians Flock to the Streets

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By ROGER COHEN<http://topics.nytimes.com/top/news/international/columns/rogercohen/?...>
Published: June 20, 2009

TEHRAN — The Iranian police commander, in green uniform, walked up Komak
Hospital Alley with arms raised and his small unit at his side. “I swear to
God,” he shouted at the protesters facing him, “I have children, I have a
wife, I don’t want to beat people. Please go home.”
Earl Wilson/The New York Times

Roger Cohen
Go to Columnist Page
»<http://topics.nytimes.com/top/news/international/columns/rogercohen/i...>
RelatedOp-Ed Columnist: City of
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(June
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15, 2009)Op-Ed Columnist: Iran Awakens Yet
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(June
11, 2009)

A man at my side threw a rock at him. The commander, unflinching, continued
to plead. There were chants of “Join us! Join us!” The unit retreated toward
Revolution Street, where vast crowds eddied back and forth confronted by
baton-wielding Basij<http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/organizations/b/b...>
militia
and black-clad riot police officers on motorbikes.

Dark smoke billowed over this vast city in the late afternoon. Motorbikes
were set on fire, sending bursts of bright flame skyward. Ayatollah Ali
Khamenei<http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/people/k/ali_kham...>,
the supreme leader, had used his Friday sermon to declare high noon in
Tehran, warning of “bloodshed and chaos” if protests over a disputed
election persisted.

He got both on Saturday — and saw the hitherto sacrosanct authority of his
office challenged as never before since the 1979 revolution birthed the
Islamic Republic and conceived for it a leadership post standing at the very
flank of the Prophet. A multitude of Iranians took their fight through a
holy breach on Saturday from which there appears to be scant turning back.

Khamenei has taken a radical risk. He has factionalized himself, so losing
the arbiter’s lofty garb, by aligning himself with President Mahmoud
Ahmadinejad<http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/people/a/mahmoud_...>
against
both Mir Hussein
Moussavi<http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/people/m/mir_huss...>,
the opposition leader, and Ali Akbar Hashemi
Rafsanjani<http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/people/r/ali_akba...>,
a founding father of the revolution.

He has taunted millions of Iranians by praising their unprecedented
participation in an election many now view as a ballot-box putsch. He has
ridiculed the notion that an official inquiry into the vote might yield a
different result. He has tried pathos and he has tried pounding his lectern.
In short, he has lost his aura.

The taboo-breaking response was unequivocal. It’s funny how people’s
obsessions come back to bite them. I’ve been hearing about Khamenei’s fear
of “velvet revolutions” for months now. There was nothing velvet about
Saturday’s clashes. In fact, the initial quest to have Moussavi’s votes
properly counted and Ahmadinejad unseated has shifted to a broader
confrontation with the regime itself.

Garbage burned. Crowds bayed. Smoke from tear gas swirled. Hurled bricks
sent phalanxes of police, some with automatic rifles, into retreat to the
accompaniment of cheers. Early afternoon rumors that the rally for Moussavi
had been canceled yielded to the reality of violent confrontation.

I don’t know where this uprising is leading. I do know some police units are
wavering. That commander talking about his family was not alone. There were
other policemen complaining about the unruly Basij. Some security forces
just stood and watched. “All together, all together, don’t be scared,” the
crowd shouted.

I also know that
Iran<http://topics.nytimes.com/top/news/international/countriesandterritor...>’s
women stand in the vanguard. For days now, I’ve seen them urging less
courageous men on. I’ve seen them get beaten and return to the fray. “Why
are you sitting there?” one shouted at a couple of men perched on the
sidewalk on Saturday. “Get up! Get up!”

Another green-eyed woman, Mahin, aged 52, staggered into an alley clutching
her face and in tears. Then, against the urging of those around her, she
limped back into the crowd moving west toward Freedom Square. Cries of
“Death to the dictator!” and “We want liberty!” accompanied her.

There were people of all ages. I saw an old man on crutches, middle-aged
office workers and bands of teenagers. Unlike the student revolts of 2003
and 1999, this movement is broad.

“Can’t the United
Nations<http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/organizations/u/u...>
help
us?” one woman asked me. I said I doubted that very much. “So,” she said,
“we are on our own.”

The world is watching, and technology is connecting, and the West is sending
what signals it can, but in the end that is true. Iranians have fought this
lonely fight for a long time: to be free, to have a measure of democracy.

Ayatollah Ruhollah
Khomeini<http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/people/k/ruhollah...>,
the leader of the Islamic revolution, understood that, weaving a little
plurality into an authoritarian system. That pluralism has ebbed and flowed
since 1979 — mainly the former — but last week it was crushed with blunt
brutality. That is why a whole new generation of Iranians, their
intelligence insulted, has risen.

I’d say the momentum is with them for now. At moments on Saturday,
Khamenei’s authority, which is that of the Islamic Republic itself, seemed
fragile. The revolutionary authorities have always mocked the cancer-ridden
Shah ceding before an uprising, and vowed never to bend in the same way. But
they are facing a swelling test.

Just off Revolution Street, I walked into a pall of tear gas. I’d lit a
cigarette minutes before — not a habit but a need — and a young man
collapsed into me shouting: “Blow smoke in my face.” Smoke dispels the
effects of the gas to some degree.

I did what I could and he said “We are with you” in English and with my
colleague we tumbled into a dead end — Tehran is full of them — running from
the searing gas and police. I gasped and fell through a door into an
apartment building where somebody had lit a small fire in a dish to relieve
the stinging.

There were about 20 of us gathered there, eyes running, hearts racing. A
19-year-old student was nursing his left leg, struck by a militiaman with an
electric-shock-delivering baton. “No way we are turning back,” said a friend
of his as he massaged that wounded leg.

Later, we moved north, tentatively, watching police lash out from time to
time, reaching Victory Square where a pitched battle was in progress. Young
men were breaking bricks and stones to the right size for hurling. Crowds
gathered on overpasses, filming and cheering the protesters. A car burst
into flames. Back and forth the crowd surged, confronted by
less-than-convincing police units.

I looked up through the smoke and saw a poster of the stern visage of
Khomeini above the words, “Islam is the religion of freedom.”

Later, as night fell over the tumultuous capital, from rooftops across the
city, the defiant sound of “Allah-u-Akbar” — “God is Great” — went up yet
again, as it has every night since the fraudulent election, but on Saturday
it seemed stronger. The same cry was heard in 1979, only for one form of
absolutism to yield to another. Iran has waited long enough to be free.

--
Thiago Maciel Oliveira
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 More options Jun 20, 4:49 pm
From: Thiago Maciel Oliveira <thiagomol...@gmail.com>
Date: Sat, 20 Jun 2009 17:49:04 -0300
Local: Sat, Jun 20 2009 4:49 pm
Subject: Re: ainn }} Um líder supremo perde sua aura, com manifestantes protestando pelas ruas.

A propósito: está havendo uma imensa manifestação em Los Angeles, Califórnia
(aquele lugar é abençoado com uma das noites mais tardias: nosso triste
crepúsculo lá ainda é três da tarde).
Se até os americanos imperialistas, filisteus e materialistas -- se até os
Homer Simpsons que dominam o mundo com sua geopolítica cruel -- estão
apoiando nossos irmãos narigudos do oriente médio, por que também não nós?

Abraços emancipatórios!

2009/6/20 Thiago Maciel Oliveira <thiagomol...@gmail.com>

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From: Thiago Maciel Oliveira <thiagomol...@gmail.com>
Date: Sat, 20 Jun 2009 18:15:01 -0300
Local: Sat, Jun 20 2009 5:15 pm
Subject: Re: Um líder supremo perde sua aura, com manifestantes protestando pelas ruas.

Agora o povo grita: "Morte ao Aiatolá Khameini!"
Caramba! Tudo que é sólido se desmancha no ar, hehehe!

O Ministro de Assuntos Estratégicos de Israel já prenuncia: OCORRERÁ UMA
REVOLUÇÃO NO IRÃ!

Leiam isso aqui, pelo bem de suas almas:

Ya'alon: Iran protests will lead to revolutionBy Haaretz ServiceTags: Iran
Election<http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/pages/tags/index.jhtml?tag=Iran+Election>
, Iran Nuclear<http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/pages/tags/index.jhtml?tag=Iran+Nuclear>
  <http://www.twitter.com/haaretzonline>
Strategic Affairs Minister Moshe Ya'alon said Saturday he believes the
ongoing demonstrations in Iran over last week's disputed election result
will eventually lead to a revolution, Army Radio reported.

"[Opposition leader] Mousavi and his wife have brought a new spirit of
openness and freedom," Ya'alon was quoted as saying during a speech in
Modi'in.

"It is impossible to hide this energy - and therefore there will eventually
be a revolution in Iran. Seventy percent of Iranians oppose the regime of
the ayatollahs. I said that when I was the head of Military Intelligence,
and I am saying it again now."
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Ya'alon has made a similar assessment in the past. While serving as Israel
Defense Forces Chief of Staff, he said in a 2003 interview with*Haaretz* that
"conditions have ripened for a revolution in Iran."

In the speech Saturday, Ya'alon added that despite the internal conflict in
Iran, it is unlikely that the Islamic Republic's nuclear program will be
slowed down or brought to a halt.

"What is happening now will not change the nuclear issue, but it is still a
very encouraging development for the West," he was quoted as saying.

The minister's comments came after Mossad chief Meir Dagan told the Knesset
Foreign Affairs and Defense Committee on Tuesday that the unrest would end
within a few days.

2009/6/20 Thiago Maciel Oliveira <thiagomol...@gmail.com>

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 More options Jun 20, 5:18 pm
From: Thiago Maciel Oliveira <thiagomol...@gmail.com>
Date: Sat, 20 Jun 2009 18:18:27 -0300
Local: Sat, Jun 20 2009 5:18 pm
Subject: Re: Um líder supremo perde sua aura, com manifestantes protestando pelas ruas.

A parte triste: noventa mortos, até agora.
A contagem aumentará.

2009/6/20 Thiago Maciel Oliveira <thiagomol...@gmail.com>

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