Separate self
Richard
A quote of his (Wilber not Rodger) goes, "The separate self is a
sensation of seeking" (shortened slightly).
I thought it was a neato quote, really keen. More than that though, it
helps put things into perspective, imo (who else's o would I be giving
anyhow?)
Do you find the quote to be valid, as far as words can take us? What
is the separate self?
Rodger
Life awakens to itself and wonders,who dat?
godszen
> The separate self is the sense of being separate.
separate from what?
so what does the separate self feel that it is?
Bob1357
Bob1357
separate from what?<
"sense is the key word here"
The all insulating Maya, let's just start calling it "shit".
When in shit... one, may wonder this can not be right, this does not
feel right.
The seeking begins.
After seeking and understanding, one realizes what to do (or what not
to do).
One does or doesn't.
The end.
It is the sense that something is just not right and figuring it out.
On Dec 18, 7:59 pm, godszen <gods...@yahoo.com> wrote:
godszen
awareness has separated itself from beingness
next question; how does awareness get out of the cage, and back to
it's home, beingness?
Richard
Next question: how can the nondual ever become two....beingness and
awareness?
Rodger
night(snowed in).I'll catch a nap later. :)
Bob has it right.Key word is 'sense'.
Your question has it right: beingness and awareness?
The separated self doesn't feel it's separated from anything,godszen.
Awareness hasn't separated from beingness.'And' isn't involved except
as a sense of.
The 'how to get out of the cage and back home?' is the question asked
by aware-being.Aware-being is always at home even when in a cage.
'How to....'
Who is asking?
I am.
Who is asking,'who is asking'?
I am.
Who dat?
Who dat say who dat?
godszen
> Next question: how can the nondual ever become two....
awareness gets separated from beingness
by imprisoning itself in the mind
Rodger
is arising from,or are caused by,the sense of separatedness which is
caused by the sense of being,which is being,aware.
Can aware-being ever be separated from the sense of separation?
Bob1357
Did I read correctly?
Bob has it right?
I guess I shouldn't get too excited, even a broken clock is right
twice a day.
I think was one of Buddha's one liners.
<"How to get out of the cage and back home?">
I have struggled with that since day one. Chasing the rainbow,
swimming upstream, yada yada
"Home" was never left.
The cage walls just fall away.
One day my walls are up, the next they are partially down, the next
they are gone for a while, then right back up.
I keep picking that stick up and stirring up that puddle.
This mind of mine is like a little boy, turn my head, and it's back
playing in the puddle.
I'm fine, better than ever, when I'm ready to break the stick and cast
it aside, I will.
Rodger
it's just passing through me.
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> - Show quoted text -
Rodger
Home has always been your cage.
Home will always be your cage.
Within your cage you are free to move about and make your home as
comfortable a cage as possible.
But,you will never be able to leave home even should you find a new
cage to nest in.
You could put it this way...
It's all you.
There is nothing outside you.
You are your own cage.
You are that.
It's all stuff...all the same stuff.
And,the more this changes,the more this remains that.
So,have yourself a merry little Christmas...and may the new year bring
you all the good stuff you hope for and desire, for a most comfortable
cage.
:)
On Dec 19, 7:28 am, Bob1357 <bob135...@gmail.com> wrote:
godszen
you're still trapped
hence the sense of separation from everything
outside the cage
Gary
Observe a child with a silent mind and questions do not arise.
Rodger
Does she cry because shes hungry,needs changing...have a belly ache?
:)
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Rodger
I am never separate from the cage I am.
Richard
On Dec 21, 6:59 am, Rodger <rodge...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Thank you,Gary.
> Does she cry because shes hungry,needs changing...have a belly ache?
> :)
If you were always in the womb, warm, comfortable, all your food needs
met, and someone yanked you out, wouldn't you cry?
Rodger
Bob1357
you're still trapped, hence the sense of separation from everything
outside the cage" >
It just "seems" like being trapped from all the learnin we did when we
thought we were growin up.
Everything learned are filters that enhance the sense of separation.
On Dec 21, 1:09 pm, Richard <richar...@yahoo.com> wrote:
godszen
Bob1357
DIK
Lao Tzu
"Give up your beliefs and you will be free."
Dik
Ram
Giving up your learning and beliefs is not holding on to any passing
concept, even to the point that old concepts don't arise in the same
way. Life is always new and fresh (and stale and rotting).
Bob1357
I've been playing ping pong "with myself", for far too long.
I'm setting the paddle on the ping pong ball and walking away.
Besides, it's just a game.
godszen
Sandeep-Kuber Technologies
"Give up your learning and everyone will benefit." Lao Tzu "Give up your beliefs and you will be free." Dik
....makes the issues related to "learning", "benefit', "beliefs", "freedom"......
.....moot.
Richard
On Dec 23, 11:46 am, DIK <richard.dale.br...@gmail.com> wrote:
> "Give up your learning and everyone will benefit."
> Lao Tzu
> "Give up your beliefs and you will be free."
> Dik
Freedom already is. If it could be gained by manipulation, it could
also be lost. Neither is the case.