Nothing is as it seems.
Bob1357
would share them this morning.
I do not believe trees, mountains, animals, rivers and the physical
universe are real any more.
It is all conscious energy.
"This body", that "I seem" to be in, is part of that conscious
energy".
If all is conscious energy, and this body, formally known as me, is
part of the all, my only conclusion is that "This body", that "I seem"
to be in, is not real.
When I say "not real", I do not mean does not exist.
Not real, as in, not truly physical, but conscious energy.
Perceived as real because the five senses send electrical messages to
the brain, and the brain creates images, thoughts, emotions based on
the information picked up by the senses .
This is where I am stuck.
I have concluded that this body is not real.
Yet, I seem to be sitting here typing a message.
Rodger
I do not believe conscious energy is real anymore.It is all
mountain.Or,tree.Or,etc.
Rodger
trees,etc.?
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Bob1357
"I" is all there is.
"I" is everything.
"I" is awareness.
"I" is consciousness.
"Me" is creating these mental constructs.
Sandeep-Kuber Technologies
The physical act(s) of the typing of a message..........the content of the message.....
.. are as real as the body through which it is getting displayed.
Bob1357
The stuckness is:
I am expecting a complete shift in consciousness and perspective.
All my posts are what I believe and think at the moment.
I'm waiting for the dirty glasses to fall off, to see the truth
always, and not just get glimpses.
I'm waiting for this to happen and my heart to fill with warm bliss
and unconditional love and become one with everything and love
everything and not just get tastes of it.
Sounds selfish to me now that I read it.
It is what it is.
On Dec 15, 9:40 am, Sandeep-Kuber Technologies
Gary
happy.
What part of it isn't of the mind did you miss?
Bob1357
Could you please point to what you consider bullshit?
Or are you referring to everything I typed within this thread?
Please, no need to speculate on my happiness or sadness ....... I'll
take care of that.
"What part of it isn't of the mind did you miss"?
All concepts, thoughts and imagination that I typed are of the mind.
I have concluded that the above do not exist except as consciousness.
So, I have not missed anything, because there is nothing else?
That is something I am having trouble with.
Stop thought, stop imagining, stop conceptualizing, just stop stirring
the water.
Seems this will turn me into a zombie.
My true self will shine when I stop all this?
I suppose I'm fighting it. Don't want or mean to. It is just
happening.
Ram
Hi Bob,
If the body and mind are unreal, then any stuckness relating to them
must also be unreal.
You are doing fine, and your questions show signs of good
investigation. Just let the "stuck" thought pass away into oblivion
like all other thoughts do.
You need not get so involved with the content of thought, or think
that somehow something is "off" simply because a passing thought said
so.
If you recognize the changeless nature of your existence, then
thoughts may be there or not, the mind may be still or active. These
are all parts of the dream playing out.
The analogy of the screen or canvas is commonly used. You are the
screen. All of the scenes/seens come and go on you, yet you remain
unaffected. Many such movies or lives or universes can arise and
disappear like that. Even at the simultaneously, why not?
You need not worry about progress. If your intent is to not settle for
anything less that whatever it is you are looking for, then you will
find it. What will stop you?
Do you know what you are seeking? Are you prepared to let go of any
concepts of what it is that you might find?
Many stop on plateaus thinking that they are at the mountain top, and
some reach the top only to see that the peaks and valleys and indeed
the entire trek were just nuances of a dream bubble. Kind of like the
rainbow colored film swirling around on a soap bubble just before it
pops.
The bubble appears and disappears in you. Where is stuckness?
The colors of the bubble interact with each other as a multi-
splendored universe arises in space for some time. Sometimes the
swirling colors (energy or light frequencies, whatever) interacting
with each other take themselves to be individuals, sometimes even
'evolving to the point of seeing that there is only one bubble in
their existence. So, there is sometimes the illusion of oneness in the
dream which is really only a nuance of the dream bubble, yet some are
fooled into believing that they have attained some elevated state
while still taking the bubble to be real.
*POP*
Rodger
Bob1357
Me is beginning to get that.
Bob1357
Gary
The idea that there is something to attain.
What did you breakthrough to... another concept..thought.
You are reorganizing the furniture and trying to achieve something.
There isn't anything to achieve, or anywhere to arrive. You can't
think your way into not thinking, whatever the value of that is. You
can't be anything other than what you are. How absurd is the notion
that you need to do something to be who your are, or to find out who
you are? It is all bullshit. All the thinking reaffirms your
individual self sorting things out. What a bankrupt fantasy. I wish
for you that you get so damned confused that you drop in exhaustion.
Only then will you realize the futility of these efforts. Do
something of value, kiss your dog or something.
Rodger
Richard said,wherever me is, I am.
Sandeep-Kuber Technologies
Honestly, The stuckness is: I am expecting a complete shift in consciousness and perspective. All my posts are what I believe and think at the moment. I'm waiting for the dirty glasses to fall off, to see the truth always, and not just get glimpses. I'm waiting for this to happen and my heart to fill with warm bliss and unconditional love and become one with everything and love everything and not just get tastes of it. Sounds selfish to me now that I read it. It is what it is.
Where is the stuckness?
Thought has appeared as expecting shift, heart filled with warm shifts, unconditional love to be bestowed.....
......et al.
Where is the stuckness?
godszen
> Had some serious revelations or breakthroughs last night and thought I
> would share them this morning.
> I do not believe trees, mountains, animals, rivers and the physical
> universe are real any more.
> It is all conscious energy.
> "This body", that "I seem" to be in, is part of that conscious
> energy".
> If all is conscious energy, and this body, formally known as me, is
> part of the all, my only conclusion is that "This body", that "I seem"
> to be in, is not real.
> When I say "not real", I do not mean does not exist.
> Not real, as in, not truly physical, but conscious energy.
if you were to get in the ring with mike tyson and absorb a couple of
his knock out punches, what wouldn't be real? or not truly physical
about being knocked out and waking up in the hospital with a
concussion?
> Perceived as real because the five senses send electrical messages to
> the brain, and the brain creates images, thoughts, emotions based on
> the information picked up by the senses .
> This is where I am stuck.
> I have concluded that this body is not real.
> Yet, I seem to be sitting here typing a message.
will understand that it is awareness that penetrates consciousness,
there's nothing not real about it, just an advanced understanding of
the way things are
godszen
> I am expecting a complete shift in consciousness and perspective.
if enlightenment was easy there would be Nisargadatta's and Ramana
Maharshi's on every corner, and obviously that's not the case,
enlightenment only comes to those who want it more than anything else,
and to a very very few who have it happen inadvertently
> All my posts are what I believe and think at the moment.
> I'm waiting for the dirty glasses to fall off, to see the truth
> always, and not just get glimpses.
your mind, stop creating these structures and they will collapse asap
> I'm waiting for this to happen and my heart to fill with warm bliss
> and unconditional love and become one with everything and love
> everything and not just get tastes of it.
will bring it to you
> Sounds selfish to me now that I read it.
> It is what it is.
someone who knows instinctively that something is not quite right and
wants to fix it, someone who is paying attention, and not just keeping
his mind busy until he dies
godszen
> So, I have not missed anything, because there is nothing else?
> That is something I am having trouble with.
> Stop thought, stop imagining, stop conceptualizing, just stop stirring
> the water.
> Seems this will turn me into a zombie.
to collapse
> My true self will shine when I stop all this?
"shifts of clarity" in your consciousness, and they will be permanent
not just temporary
> I suppose I'm fighting it. Don't want or mean to. It is just
> happening.
to make a constant conscious effort to stop spinning the wheel
try to stay present with all your might, as much as you can, as long
as you can, don't let the waves pick you up and carry you away, be
determined to get hold of yourself, no matter what
Bob1357
That is some of the best advice I ever got.
Sometimes one needs that "just stay on track, you're doing fine
advice", with a small nudge to get one back on track.
I'm not stupid, I do not need to be stroked.
Just a, your on your way, stop doing that, keep doing this, don't do
that, is all I need from time to time, helps keep me on track as a
dualistic human.
There is no instruction manual.
Why else are there Guru's, teachers and masters if guidance was not
needed?
Why is anyone in this forum communicating these things if guidance was
not needed?
Rodger
a few of his words to share with you.He is speaking on the nature of
the mind.Here is what he says...
" 'the nature of the mind' means primordial Purity or radical
Emptiness - it means nondual Spirit by whatever name.The point is that
this 'nature of the mind' is ever-present witnessing awareness".
He speaks of some finding this hard or impossible to believe...
"Rest directly in that which thinks that it is impossible to recognize
the nature of the mind,and that is exactly it".
More...
"You will neither see nor find (Spirit) by watching outwardly or
searching inwardly.Let go directly into this mind that is watching
outwardly or searching inwardly,and that is exactly it".
And...
"Even if you think you don't see it,that very awareness is it.
Thus,the ultimate state of consciousness - intrinsic Spirit itself -
is not hard to reach but is impossible to avoid.
It does not matter what objects or contents are present;whatever
arises is fine.People sometimes have a hard time understanding Spirit
because they try to see it as an object of awareness or an object of
comprehension.But the ultimate reality is not anything seen,it is the
Seer.
The true Seer is nothing that can be seen,so you simply begin by
disidentifying with any and all objects".
Richard
This is really good stuff Rodger. From which Ken Wilber book are these
quotes?
Rodger
Already:The Brilliant Clarity of Ever-Present Awareness.
Lot's of good (nondual) stuff out there.
All the same stuff really.
Stuff is stuff.Ya know?
If you're not able to get there on your own from what I've given
you,let me know.I'll see if I can guide you further.
Rodger
I mean,shit gets old after awhile.
And,a new look is what we're after.
Some of us.
'You can't think your way into not thinking'.
The idea of furniture reorganization is not to get rid of the
furniture,but to achieve a new look.Which is something.Which is
achievement.
You do need to do something to be who you are.You just don't need to
do anything to be.
And,you need to do something to find out who you are.You need to
look,to investigate into you.
I wish for you,clarity.
Bob1357
That is the "stuff" I needed.
I have been looking inward, perhaps too deeply.
But in doing so, I have found many many "blinders and binders" if you
will.
I think I have come to understand, that all the blinders and binders,
are all "within" (for lack of better word).
Fear, worry, pride, anger, selfishness, arrogance, greed, just to name
a few, are the blinders and binders when attached to anything out side
of myself.
One's can not be one's true self with these attachments.
I know I am on the right track, I know to let thought go. I have found
the seat to sit in while observing.
I just need to put it all together "effortlessly and naturally", and
ask "God" to take the reins.
Richard
On Dec 16, 4:47 pm, Rodger <rodge...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> I just googled Ken Wilber,Richard.What I posted from was from,Always
> Already:The Brilliant Clarity of Ever-Present Awareness.
> Lot's of good (nondual) stuff out there.
> All the same stuff really.
> Stuff is stuff.Ya know?
>
> If you're not able to get there on your own from what I've given
> you,let me know.I'll see if I can guide you further.
>
After a while I found it. Thanks Rodger.
Gary
Nothing wrong with any of it, but on this forum, clarity is useful.
As long as we breath, we do this and that. Striving in order to
acheive some goal is fine. Meditating, self-investigation and so on
is fine. All of it is just fine, but to recognize that the ego/self-
constructed "I" is striving to construct some pre-conceived outcome
and get one up on the universe is self-investigation. How can one
stop the search? Who is there to stop? B.S. is what I offer, for
what it is worth.
Rodger
Have you enjoyed the reading?
Rodger
One cannot avoid being one's true self,Bob.
One cannot move toward or away from true self.True self is that very
movement.
(Remember...'the thought process is the movement of consciousness'?)
Consciousness,Self,Spirit,God,Bozo,etc.,is all there is.Any movement
is of that,as that.
You are not not that.
To ask,'what is that?',is that asking.
To think,'I am not that',is that thinking that.
Really,that is all there is to that.
I am,you are,the world is.
Leave it at that,or not.
But,if not...you are that not leaving it at that.
That cannot be avoided.
I think you're on the right track,too.Only,I have to agree with
Gary...you can't think your way into not thinking...or,into
thinking.If you're thinking you can,you might want to rethink
that.And,rethinking,I think,is the key.At least to improving the
dream.
So,rather than rearranging the furniture one has become attached
to,one might consider some new stuff.After all,if the sofa you're
sitting on is uncomfortable in one corner,putting it in another
doesn't make it comfortable.What I mean is,if you keep thinking the
same stuff,you'll keep getting the same stuff.
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Richard
On Dec 17, 5:47 am, Rodger <rodge...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> You're welcome,Richard.
> Have you enjoyed the reading?
Very much.
Here's another Ken Wilber quote I liked, from the same material:
"Nonetheless, traditionally, in order to demonstrate your sincerity,
you must complete a good number of preliminary practices, including a
mastery of various states of meditative consciousness, summating in a
stable post-postconventional adaptation, all of which is well and
good. But none of those states of consciousness are held to be final
or ultimate or privileged. And changing states is not the goal at all.
Rather, it is precisely by entering and leaving these various
meditative states that you begin to understand that none of them
constitute enlightenment. All of them have a beginning in time, and
thus none of them are the timeless. The point is to realize that
change of state is not the point, and that realization can occur in
any state of consciousness whatsoever."
Rodger
consciousness.
The more things change the more they stay the same,wouldn't you say?
Do you like David Carse? I was reading from him earlier this
a.m...."Pure Awareness in which everything arises is what you already
are:how can it possibly be found?"
Richard
On Dec 17, 1:11 pm, Rodger <rodge...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> "All states have a beginning in time,which has it's beginning in
> consciousness.
>
> The more things change the more they stay the same,wouldn't you say?
Only in time. "The point is to realize that change of state is not the
point..." So I wouldn't say. Besides, you say it enough for the both
of us and the population of a small nation as well. :-)
> Do you like David Carse? I was reading from him earlier this
> a.m...."Pure Awareness in which everything arises is what you already
> are:how can it possibly be found?"
It's all good. Carse was NoVa's main man, if I recall rightly, and I
probably do. What I would add to his quote (not that he or anyone
asked me) is the arising is also Pure Awareness. Otherwise one posits
the duality of container and what it contains. There's a lot of
variations of that concept going around these days; I tell you what.
Rodger
Words:I tell you what.
The point is to realize that nothing begins in time,or in
Consciousness,or in Pure Awareness.Otherwise...
That things begin within posits the duality that things end
without,and nothing begins or ends without the Pure Awareness,or
Consciousness or whatever that already is,and is AS it is.So,not
within but never without,you might say.
And,the more things change the more things stay the same,or are never
without what they really are.
DIK
a spectrum thus allowing Western and Eastern consciousness to be
perceived as part of the same thing.
Let us not mistake the driver for the vehicle. You are not your body.
Rodger
Are you my body?
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Rodger
If I ain't my body,why do I keep calling my body my body?
Let us not remove the driver from the vehicle.
Let us recognize the vehicle as the driven driver.
Where is Richard?
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DIK
break the habit of it.
Rodger
godszen
Rodger
On Dec 27, 4:09 am, godszen <gods...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> :-)
Richard
Nothing is as it seems....nor is it otherwise.
Ram
Seems like nothing.
DIK
consensus reality. :-)
Ram
LOL.
Happy Consensus Reality to you too!
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