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carl@americanaquariumprod ucts.com  
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(10 users)  More options Mar 17 2006, 9:14 pm
From: "[email address]"
Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 18:14:47 -0800
Local: Fri, Mar 17 2006 9:14 pm
Subject: Adsense dishonesty
I had an adsense ads campaign that was disabled for invalid clicks.
First of all, Adsense was advertising with competing ads that we asked
to be removed, but to no avail. Then one day we had unusually high
activity on our account, adsense then disabled our account without
asking us any questions and took our money, including money probably
lost by competing ads. Following Googles logic; If a community was
being terrorized by a rapist, Google would jail all the women rather
than go after the rapist, WHICH IS EXACTLY WHAT THEY DID TO ME! Google
should have (and has the technology) invalidated the clicks from the
isp of the invalid clicks rather than go after a legitamate business. I
have found out that mine is not in any way a rare problem, I have since
found many other legitamate businesses with similar problems.
Considering google poor search results (try looking for a night light
on Google , and more), dishonesty on Blogger, and selling out of the
Chinese people, I am suprised ANY MORAL PERSON WOULD USE GOOGLE AT ALL!
I SURE DONT!
Thanks to Bill Gates for MSN, a much better search engine, with better
groups (much less profanity and more)
Carl

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carl@americanaquariumprod ucts.com  
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(1 user)  More options Mar 17 2006, 9:16 pm
From: "[email address]"
Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 18:16:14 -0800
Local: Fri, Mar 17 2006 9:16 pm
Subject: Re: Adsense dishonesty
My URL if anyone is interested in proof of my site legitamacy is:
http://www.americanaquariumproducts.com/

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Chaz  
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(1 user)  More options Mar 22 2006, 11:23 pm
From: Chaz
Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 04:23:44 -0000
Local: Wed, Mar 22 2006 11:23 pm
Subject: Re: Adsense dishonesty
So you were given no explanation?
Sad to hear it did not work out for you.

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mohd  
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(2 users)  More options Mar 23 2006, 12:07 am
From: mohd
Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2006 21:07:34 -0800
Local: Thurs, Mar 23 2006 12:07 am
Subject: Re: Adsense dishonesty
I have acually heard that story again and again. Many people complain
that google blocks websites that have a big traffic suddenly. The
problem which they don't relize is that sometimes websites get a lot of
visitors becasue of some sort of advertising and therefore it is not
fair to block such websites.

I think they should at least have some sort of support for those people
so that if they can proof that they have some extera traffic becasue of
something (ie. advertising), then thier website or even there google
account doesn't get banned.


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Mr. Kumprinx  
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(1 user)  More options Mar 23 2006, 1:54 am
From: Mr. Kumprinx
Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 06:54:15 -0000
Local: Thurs, Mar 23 2006 1:54 am
Subject: Re: Adsense dishonesty
Have you e-mailed Google and tell them about your problems?
cool down man..

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James  
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 More options Mar 23 2006, 2:35 am
From: James
Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 07:35:06 -0000
Local: Thurs, Mar 23 2006 2:35 am
Subject: Re: Adsense dishonesty
This isn't the way to get your account reactivated, nor is it a
professional method of going about things.

"Larwee"'s 2nd post in this thread may help:
http://www.geekvillage.com/forums/showthread.php?t=28523


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K_F  
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 More options Mar 23 2006, 2:55 am
From: K_F
Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2006 23:55:58 -0800
Local: Thurs, Mar 23 2006 2:55 am
Subject: Re: Adsense dishonesty
I actually got contacted by a client regarding this matter myself, and
got copies of the communication between the individual and google (the
Norwegian branch).

I must say the lack of information was rather disturbing, and they
would
not comment on if the illegal clicks were a result of a spesificly
named
IP-address (proxy server for the local ISP).

They did not argue for the lack of information as an attempt to fight
fraudulent actions, but by the intellectual property of the algorithm.

All in all I'm glad that they value adwords advertisers and try to
maximize the margintal utillity for advertisers, but some more
information than "we hope you show appreciation for this" would have
been a nice gesture. If anything some concrete examples in the
guidelines.

In all fairness to the context they have always treated me properly.

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Fyre  
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(1 user)  More options Mar 23 2006, 5:44 am
From: Fyre
Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 10:44:08 -0000
Local: Thurs, Mar 23 2006 5:44 am
Subject: Re: Adsense dishonesty
This is a VERY legitimate concern for me, as I am about to unveil a
series on one of my blogs that is currently drawing low traffic.  I am
confident that with a few days of the initial posts, my traffic will
increase dramatically.  With increased traffic comes increased ad
clicks.  Obviously, I don't want my AdSense account to be suspended.
Unfortunately, I can see NO WAY to safeguard against such an occurence
aside from temporarily removing adsense from my blog until the initial
traffic spike has passed.

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ro.guardians@gmail.com  
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 More options Mar 23 2006, 2:35 pm
From: "[email address]"
Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 11:35:44 -0800
Local: Thurs, Mar 23 2006 2:35 pm
Subject: Re: Adsense dishonesty
Thats nothing more than throwing away money that god gave you...no
luck..

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adsenselove  
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 More options Mar 24 2006, 2:57 am
From: adsenselove
Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 07:57:50 -0000
Local: Fri, Mar 24 2006 2:57 am
Subject: Re: Adsense dishonesty
I don't think Google bans someone for a dramatic increase in traffic,
if traffic is legitimate, clicks r valid from them,
why they will kick you out

so dont panic and dont remove ads
you r losing the golden chance of high traffic mate


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webmaster@etapet.net  
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(1 user)  More options Mar 24 2006, 4:36 am
From: "[email address]"
Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 01:36:44 -0800
Local: Fri, Mar 24 2006 4:36 am
Subject: Re: Adsense dishonesty
I do not belive in Google banning adsense accounts without strong
reason.

I myself experienced with my website an increse of the clicks of 200%
in less then 2 weeks, and I am still in business. Also once, I have
tested a solution(preffer not to bgive details) that would allow me to
click my own ads and still I am in online. This being done only for
testing I've limited myself only at 3 clicks, but I guess if I would
have continued I would have got myself out of the system. Regarding the
clicks that I've gave to myself from the computer that I use to access
AdSense Admin, Google just ignored them (of course I did not abused)

So as for me, Google always seems to behave right, and if I have done
any mistakes (either on my own will or unwilling) google closed its
eyes (as long as they weren't too grave). Also on the support part,
they have always answered my questions, and not with templated answers
(unless it was suitable).

As a conclusion, I really do not belive in google canceling accounts
without strong proofs that its user would not try to fraud. So as long
as you play by the rules your will continue to receive money, even if
not so many as you would like. Google always says: you're not making a
site for cashing in from google, but to offer something to the Internet
community. So if you expect to become rich from AdSense, drop it. First
you'll become rich because of your site has many visitor/customers,
then google will add a plus.

Think about this. Google is offering to all of us, owners of small
website the opportunity to earn some good money from out traffic. What
if they would not have done so, and offer those money only to high
traffic website. Be grateful that they are offering this opportunity
and play by the rules. Correctly increase your traffic and adsense
revenue will follow. Do not try to increase the revenue without
incresing the traffic (exception: incresing of the CTR by optimizing
the ads placements, which is another subject)


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radiolistings@gmail.com  
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 More options Mar 24 2006, 7:00 pm
From: "[email address]"
Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2006 00:00:31 -0000
Local: Fri, Mar 24 2006 7:00 pm
Subject: Re: Adsense dishonesty
"Google always says: you're not making a site for cashing in from
google, but to offer something to the Internet community."

Do you really believe that the people who make sites which are nothing
but copied content, or less, are offering something to the Internet
community?


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webmaster@etapet.net  
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 More options Mar 25 2006, 6:41 am
From: "[email address]"
Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2006 03:41:45 -0800
Local: Sat, Mar 25 2006 6:41 am
Subject: Re: Adsense dishonesty
Of course not. I know this practice, but it is condamnable. I do belive
that at a certain point in time, Google or the Internet community will
take a measure. At least till now, Google shown almost permanently that
it really cares about its customers, either they are only simple users
of their free services or multimillion business. If in the future it
will be proven that these kind of websites "harm" google's customers
interest, Google will do something about.

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carlrs  
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(1 user)  More options Mar 25 2006, 2:53 pm
From: carlrs
Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2006 11:53:37 -0800
Local: Sat, Mar 25 2006 2:53 pm
Subject: Re: Adsense dishonesty
I have contacted Adsense, after 2 months they finally contacted me with
the same excuse, but have yet to answer my questions or return any
other emails. I do not deny there was a one day spike in activity (if
that is the reason why, they do not say), but Adsense should have
invalidated clicks from that isp(s) to protect their advertisers. The
fraud is that rather than temporarily suspend my account or invalidate
clicks they chose to keep MY money, and not return emails. Adbrite
returns emails AND phone calls. Adsense also never responded to my
complaints of competitors ads on my site. Considering my experience
with Blogger, Adwords, their horrible customer service, I am amazed
that Google stays in business, but maybe if there is a God in heaven,
Google's business practices, poor search results (they used to be
good), will put them out of business.
Carl
www.americanaquariumproducts.com

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Brandon  
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(1 user)  More options Apr 20 2006, 2:47 pm
From: Brandon
Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 11:47:35 -0700
Local: Thurs, Apr 20 2006 2:47 pm
Subject: Re: Adsense dishonesty
I'm running into a similar problem.  I'm not entirely sure why my
account was suspended but it was today and I haven't heard back from
Google.  I just launched this community website and it's still very
small.  It's offered entirely free to people as a service so the ads
were placed there as a way to support the site.  I didn't receive any
warnings of any issues it was jsut suddenly suspended.  What is the
best way to deal with this?

Brandon


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hackman_3vilGuy  
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 More options Apr 21 2006, 6:02 am
From: hackman_3vilGuy
Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 03:02:07 -0700
Local: Fri, Apr 21 2006 6:02 am
Subject: Re: Adsense dishonesty
I suppose your AdSense ads mean nothing in the way of income with
millions of other publishers earning loads for them. It's also probably
to scare everyone else to keeping to the rules. What happens though if
you have a small site and then get an article Slashdotted or featured
or something and get a sudden surge in traffic and therefore clicks. Do
you get banned for that?

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 More options Apr 22 2006, 7:01 pm
From: brettbum
Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2006 16:01:40 -0700
Local: Sat, Apr 22 2006 7:01 pm
Subject: Re: Adsense dishonesty
There are other advertisers that offer programs similar to Google.

While people, small publishers, have the perception that Google is the
only company offering pay-per-click advertising, then they will be able
to operate in an inefficient market.

When publishers shop around for the best advertising program available,
then Google will have to utilize some of its sizeable brain power to
harness some new algorithms and business analytics to analyze outlier
events.  Once they can track, identify, analyze issues with detailed
facts, then stories like this will start to disappear.  This will make
the experience more sound for both the advertiser paying for ads as
well as the publisher.

After all both sides need each other in this transaction.  If Google
shuts down even a small publisher that has a legitimate population of
targets for an ad campaign, they are hurting themselves.  Right now,
the pain that Google feels in this situation where they shut down the
publisher all together appears to be less than what they would
experience if they had to invest some time money and personnell into
finding a better solution.

When more competition enters the market (MSN, Yahoo, and the plethora
of smaller internet ad companies), and these groups start to sign up
publishers before Google can, or take them away from google or pick up
sites that Google has thrown away, then things will come into balance
more.

Right now its as if Google is the only ad firm trying to place banners
on an interstate.  Google doesn't own the banners and they don't own
the interstate.  Other firms are starting to source advertisers, and
they will slowly start to approach the owners of the interstate and
potential banner space.

Google will soon experience more competition.  They have a very large
head start, but the competition has deep pockets, and advertisers
always want more options.  They need price comparisons and multiple
offers so that they can choose the best option and be able to prove it
to their accountants.  :)

thanks,
Brett
http://mavenmapper.blogspot.com
http://gridlocknews.blogspot.com


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atripathi1983@gmail.com  
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 More options May 8 2006, 4:31 pm
From: "[email address]"
Date: Mon, 08 May 2006 20:31:42 -0000
Local: Mon, May 8 2006 4:31 pm
Subject: Re: Adsense dishonesty
I am also having similar problems. I tried to contact with google but
with some initial mail transfers and showing some affirmations they
never did anything to get my account back. I didnt intend to make huge
money out of google but it would help the visitors of my blog choose
better softwares/offers etc and also help me pay my hosting to some
extent. I hope someone from google listens and contacts me. Though I
will try for the last time again and see if they respond.

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 More options May 8 2006, 5:58 pm
From: ClubK
Date: Mon, 08 May 2006 14:58:05 -0700
Local: Mon, May 8 2006 5:58 pm
Subject: Re: Adsense dishonesty
Just remember you can buy advertisng for your website but DO NOT BUY
CLICK THRUS!

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