You'll get no support at all on such old apps running Vista 64, which,
IME runs CS4 apps beautifully.
Bob
Michael
Wes
I have half a dozen Adobe applications and dozens of 32-bit programs (and one 16-bit) running quite happily on Vista 64!
After you have your V64 computer... install and see what works and what doesn't... but do remember that you may need to use the backward compatibility settings to get a program to work
I just set up a new computer for my sis-in-law with V32 Home
Some of her old programs worked just find... MS Office 97 not at all, so she had to buy the latest 2007 version
From what I read before her computer arrived, some of this MAY have to do with the hardware (motherboard brand and Bios) and also MAY have to do with what else is installed (Registry entries and what may be in the Startup folder)
So... try your programs and report back with results
My biggest gripes on 64 bit are if you go all the way and use Internet Explorer 64 bit too every website wants you to download Adobe Flash so their ads will display for you. Irritating, Adobe says next version after Flash 10 will be 64 bit compatible. Wish there was a hack or workaround.............
2nd gripe is manufacturers who don't specify 64 bit compatability in their system requirements. Even those that do can be wrong. Boy are they quick to give refunds when you catch them...........
Question for you guys:
Waited to buy a CD/DVD burning program till one of the big guys became 64 bit compatible. Roxio, my favorite in XP 32 bit finnally came out with creator 2009 (ver 10) which is supposed to be 64 bit compatible. Bought it and while installing to my laptop it wants to install to program files/ x86 instead of installing to the regular program files folder which I assume is 64 bit..............Is Roxio 2009 64 bit compatible or not?
Raymond
Bob
So is my dream of saving up and getting Photoshop CS4 because of Vista 64 bit compatability worthless?
Is office 2007 more Vista 64bit compatible than office xp which I'm running fine?
I have enough trouble getting some of my old and not so old hardware to function under Vista, let alone 64 bit Vista.
Raymond
Waited to buy a CD/DVD burning program
What's wrong with the one installed with Windows?
The Program Files (x86) directory is specifically for 32-bit programs.
So far everything 32-bit has installed for me without a problem. (Not PS7 — but much older programs.)
I try to keep the OS separate from the programs on a different partition
There is no good reason to do this and it can lead to problems, especially with Adobe applications!
Some apps are actually written with 64bit optimized code and they will install in the 64bit apps folder and those that are written using 32bit code (but which are still 100% Vista64 compatible) will install in the x86 program folder. Best to let things install where they want to.
If an application refuses to install then you can declare that it's not Vista64 compatible. But if it runs then all is well.
Russell
I want more control than windows gives.
There is no good reason to do this and it can lead to problems, especially with Adobe applications!
Seems to work for me with all my Adobe and other products. I've tried to have my OS/Office installed on a separate partition from all my graphics and disk burning programs.
My difficulty is that if a program is listed as being 64 bit compatible I should expect it to install in the program files folder and not in program files x86................
Raymond
Raymond Kirsteins:My difficulty is that if a program is listed as being
64 bit compatible I should expect it to install in the program files folder
and not in program files x86.......
Then it appears you really need to learn the difference between 64 bit compatible code and 64 bit native code.... :-)
The problem is that you're not getting the difference between 64 bit
compatible and 64 bit native.
Bob
If you google the exact missing file message you may find a site that charges for it. I'd be scared to do that, though.
Bob, if I grasp it correctly 64 bit compatible means "EUREAKA" the software runs on 64 bit vista in at least one case so we'll call it vista compatible. Vista 64 bit native means software will use bigger chunks of data and access more RAM available because it's been re-writen / coded and designed for it.
I had my old dell inspiron 8100 laptop start to BSD occasionally. I do a lot of photoshop and picture storage and have 2 big HP dual xeon 800 FSB workstations with XP Pro and 4GB of RAM (3.5 showing) for sit in one spot work. I broke down and bought a new laptop last september to replace the dell.
Got a gamers laptop and changed the OS to Ultimate 64 bit from Home Premium 64 bit and changed a single weirdly partitioned 200 GB 7200 RPM SATA drive to dual 320 GB 7200 RPM SATA HD's.Had to buy Partition Manager from Paragon to partition drives like I wanted (OS and programs on separate spindle from paging file and scratch disk)and it had to boot in a DOS mode to do partitioning succesfully and worked fine on Vista 64 bit. Norton Anti - virus works and was listed as 64 bit compatible when I bought it. Acronis True Image 11 home clearly states "Supports 64 bit CPU and windows Vista" so I guess they do or they don't................Got refunds from lavasoft and spyware blaster they both claimed Vista 32 and 64 bit but were quick to give refunds. Would not load or install.
As you can see I'm trying to adapt to vista and 64 bit so I'm used to it when I get new Vista workstations with more RAM for Photoshop. I've e-mailed Roxio support and have been issued a ticket # for my original problem. Let's see what they say..............Raymond
Thanks,
Pat
Bob
Remember Windows Vista compatability site and Adobe system requirements say that only CS3 and CS4 will run on vista and ONLY CS4 will run on 64 bit vista. Guess I'm lucky and PS 7 will run on my system which is Vista Ultimate 64 bit.
Try it and see if it will work for you.
Just a tip: If the software won't load at all from the CD or download then you are SOL. If software will go through the entire installation and then at the last second fail because it's windows vista 64 you can keep trying to get it running and it just might work.
Just for kicks take a look at your C:/ drive and find 2 folders: PROGRAM FILES has programs installed which run on and in 64 bit mode. Then look for another folder called PROGRAM FILES x86, open it and see which programs are installed in compatability mode (x 32 bit)meaning they will run on your x64 system but not in 64 bit mode, only 32 bit. It may interest you to see which programs claim to be 64 bit compatable and which ones actually are.
Raymond
Beware of experts who will tell you all about running x64 and they don't actually have it. They just like to be experts.
Write back if you have trouble finding your favorite programs from XP or 32 bit to run on 64 bit vista and I can share what I've found or try visiting www.start64.com. They list 64 bit vista software and drivers. I've never tried anything from them yet, so beware.....
Let us know what hardware you had to replace because of the move to 64 bit or vista. My record so far is a new card reader and new printer, no vista or 64 bit drivers.
Besides calling Adobe and asking does anyone know if there is an order I have to load upgrades in? Eg: 6-7-CS3-CS4 or can I skip 7 and CS3 entirely?
I had a legacy PS6 which I loaded on my Vista 64 bit laptop and never opened before loading the PS7 upgrade. But that's as far as I've gotten so far on my machine. PS 7 runs great except for freezing when choosing or transfering multiple files from the old file browser tab. I see that's now called bridge in newer versions.
I refreshed her old dell desktop and while waiting for the new dell to arrive we wanted to install CS4 onto XP on the old machine so she could still use it. Used the old adobe support trick of just copying without installing her legacy 6's version program files folder then tried CS4 upgrade. Would not complete install enough to open. Then I uninstalled all and fully installed PS6 on her old machine and it then allowed CS3 to install but not CS4 and then CS4 would not install onto the PS6,CS3 upgrade.
What's the proper procedure? We want to install CS4 on her new vista ultimate 64 bit machine?
She thinks she may have a CS and CS2 upgrade version too which she can't locate........Raymond
We have PS 6 legacy seial #, we have PS 7 upgrade ser #, we have CS3 upgrade serial # and we have CS 4 upgrade serial #'s. I've known this photographer a few years and I'm pretty sure she upgraded to CS or CS1 at the same time as a friend of mine. So she probably does have a copy of that upgrade somewhere too.
Can I just try and install CS4 with no previous Photshop versions installed? Then what will it ask me to do?
Or did I missunderstand you?
Raymond
Can I just try and install CS4 with no previous Photoshop versions installed?
Yes you can. Each "upgrade" is a fully functioning full version. You will be asked to give the serial number (or possibly to insert the installation disk) for CS3 to verify eligibility.
I imagine the same applies to her old XP machine too? Just remove all old installations and then pop in the CS4 upgrade CD and it will tell us what it wants to verify?
Sorry to be a photoshop dunce but since I bought the design package with PS6, I've only upgraded to PS7. If I do an upgrade I want to do the whole package of adobe graphics products. Love Illustrator 10, Acrobat 5, In design etc. Only acrobat 5.0 will install along with PS 7.0.1 on my vista 64 bit system, So I'd like to upgrade the whole package but have not been able to afford it yet.......So I'm sticking to PS7 for the moment on my own machine.
Raymond
Adobe Type manager does not work and unfortunately there does not seem to be any V64 font managers out there. I use ColorEyes Display Pro for display profiling which works great with my old Monaco Optix DTP-94 puck.
Russ,
Remember I'm running PS7 on vista 64bit, the only 2 programs I can install are PS7 and acrobat 5.0. Acrobat is acrobat......PS7 runs great. My only freezes are loading multiple images from the old file browser. I use file-open instead. All my old XP 32 bit plug ins seem to work too. Probably because all installed in vista 32 bit compatability mode. Program files x86.
Will all features of CS4 work in my friends Vista 64 bit machine?
Raymond
This isn't "your father's Adobe." Your last crack at upgrade pricing is
gone.
CS4 should be terrific on your friends machine but with all the video
card issues, there's no guarantee until you fire it up.
Bob
Windows Vista Compatability center website says "NO". But they also said "NO" to PS7 running on Vista 64bit and that's what I'm using without any problems......Well, mabey one. The freezing when moving multiple TIFF's from the PS7 file browser/viewer. But since vista let's me view thumbnails in explorer I just use PS's file/open command and select multiple pic files.......
Raymond
Robert, are there any ATI / CS4 issues?
I've seen the specs sheet from dell on what he ordered.
Vista Ultimate 64 bit/midrange i7 proccessor/12 GB DDR3/Raid 0-2 HD's and a separate storage drive. Wish I could afford to order from Dell.........
Bob
I think everyone should go the workstation route for PS. Her husband ordered a dell XPS high 400 series and added upgrades to the tune of over well over 4K, should of bought a workstation with 2 - 8 channel w/hyperthreading i7 quad Xeons and an intel 1600Mhz FSB DP workstation motherboard to mount 'em on. I don't know if the big DDR3 Ram sticks are available to the general public or not yet. I'm talkin' 1600Mhz at 4-6-8 GB's per stick. I'd price it from HP. Sounds like you could do it for 4K but then still need a video card and HD's. SATA's are cheap now unless you want 15K RPM. Workstation cards are not.
My latest baby is a Gateway laptop with vista ultimate 64 bit. P7811FX. Added clean install of Vista 64 bit, 2 - 320GB 7200K Seagate momentus SATA 2 HD's, partitioned disks for scratch disk and paging file to be on separate spindles from OS/software and hoping to duplicate my iRam I've got a dedicated 4GB Lexar Jump drive lightning hooked up as ready boost......Don't think it applies to PS 7, just works in vista/office. Sunk 2K into it but runs better than anything but a 5K alienware laptop.
So I think he could of done a lot better for his $$$'s than custom ordering from dell.
What you are recommending is way overkill, IMO. i7 Xeon is a specialized (and priced accordingly) product unnecessary to run the app we generally use. But if you got money to burn....
So far as super sized DDR3, look to the mobo spec for max ram capability; speed and size. And be sure to buy your sticks in sets of 3.
No one I know at work calls it FSB. :-)
Are you guy's just knowledgable or do you actually have a i7 running vista 64 bit with CS4 installed? Any neat installation tips or tricks? How about setting CS4 preferences for a 12GB Ram system?
Any problems with i7 / CS4 / Vista 64bit and ATI consumer video cards? Unknown model but it's 1GB.....
Raymond
Similar to AMD Hypertransport but one helluva lot faster
w00t! go intel! go intel! it's yer birfday! :)
The best thing I can say is there was no tricks at all! Ho-hum installation, seamless filter runs.
I had 6g installed, ran prefs so that 4G was free for PS.
Yes, DDR3 can run at 1600MHZ, even faster. But it isn't the FSB that you find with the Core 2 Duos and quads.
The Intel board has four slots, I don't understand why except for marketing reasons. I did spot another board not Intel that also had only 4 slots.
I have a i7 running CS4 64 bit and 32 bit runs great.
12 Gig memory and ATI 1 gig card and (3) 1 terabyte drives installed internally.
Installation was quick and smooth.
The i7 is quite new, so I hope it continues to get good marks and sticks around long enough for Adobe to consider accepting recognition for it.