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Chuck Snyder

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Jul 21, 2003, 3:45:54 PM7/21/03
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I don't believe we ever resolved this one: PE 2 on Windows, Impressionist
Brush will only do Tight Short style regardless of choice made under More
Options- Styles. It's a little hard to detect, because it does allow you to
make a choice of style; however, it always does the same thing and when you
go back to the menu to see what style you're using, it has reverted to Tight
Short.

Is this an honest-to-goodness bug or am I missing something? (And yes,
Beth - I've reset preferences more than once...(:-)) The function works
fine in PE 1; however, some new brushes I acquired only work in PE 2 and PS
7. Sure would like to get it working...

Chuck


Jodi Frye

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Jul 21, 2003, 4:03:07 PM7/21/03
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Chuck, tell me about your new brushes.

Sorry i can't help you with the impressionist brush in PE2. I probably could have checked it out if i had of received the PE2 I was suppose to get legally for nothing but the deal got squished. I was tossed out of the sandbox.

Richard Coencas

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Jul 21, 2003, 4:12:36 PM7/21/03
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Doubt it Chuck. The brush engine in PE2 and PS7 is radically different that that in PE1 and PS6. As to your impressionist brush problem. Is the fact that it is always "tight short" true for all brushes or just the add-on brushes. If it works with a standard round brush that shipped with Elements, but not with an add-on than the problem is the add-on, but if it doesn't work with a basic standard brush it is something I'd like to track down.

Rich

Chuck Snyder

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Jul 21, 2003, 4:08:58 PM7/21/03
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Hi, Jodi: The brushes came on the CD of a book I ran into at our local Half
Price Books this weekend; it's called "Photoshop 7 Magic" and it has a large
cast of contributors, including our own Al Ward. As a matter of fact, they
may be his brushes, because the set is called F_X Brushes. They work in PE 2
and PS 7 - wonder if they'd work in PS 6?

Chuck


Chuck Snyder

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Jul 21, 2003, 4:21:29 PM7/21/03
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Rich, same thing happens with Default brush. Here's another data point:
the dropdown for More Options has three choice: Style, Area, and Tolerance.
Changes to Area and Tolerance 'stick', i.e., when you come back to the More
Options dropdown, they've stayed changed, even after closing and re-opening
Elements. Style, on the other hand, doesn't stick and apparently doesn't
really change even though the choice in the box shows a change has taken
place.

Thanks! Chuck


Chuck Snyder

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Jul 21, 2003, 4:11:09 PM7/21/03
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Note that the brushes work in PE 2 but not the Impressionist Brush
function - just thought I'd clarify that...


Chuck Snyder

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Jul 21, 2003, 4:15:35 PM7/21/03
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Rich, thanks - I'll go back and try it with a default brush. Believe I've
done that before, but certainly want to take advantage of your generous
offer!

:-)

Chuck


Chuck Snyder

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Jul 21, 2003, 5:03:30 PM7/21/03
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Rich, thanks for checking it out. I'll give it a try on my laptop and see
if I can find the culprit. I'll let you know what I find so if it comes up
again, we'll have an answer.

Chuck


Richard Coencas

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Jul 21, 2003, 4:49:52 PM7/21/03
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Hi Chuck,

I'm trying it here on Elements 2.0 and all 3 choices are sticky. Am also able to use any of the styles correctly. My best guess is one of the add-ons you installed might have broken this. Where I'd start is by removing add-on brush sets group for group to see if one of those is the culprit. If those are not it, try removing add-on plug-ins one at a time. Last thing I'd try is to do a complete uninstall and trash all Elements folders that are left behind, then reinstall. If the problem is not happening, you can try putting your add-ons back in, one at a time, checking the impressionist brush after each one.

It is a lot of work, but since the problem doesn't happen for other people and I am not getting it, it must be something on your system. The trick is narrowing it down. If you want to email me off line feel free. We can always report back to the forum if we find the solution. rcoe...@adobe.com

Rich

Chuck Snyder

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Jul 21, 2003, 5:36:37 PM7/21/03
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Rich, a couple data points and then I'll go back to playing with this thing.

First of all, just removing extra brushes and actions didn't do anything, so
it must be somewhere else. Yes, I did shut down Elements in between
surgeries; you don't suppose I would need to reboot the computer? Nah....
Any other folders might be candidates for culprit?

Second, I installed Elements on my son's computer (PC running XP) - from new
PE 2 disk which came with my new camera (both old and new registered, just
for the record!). And it works like a champ - all choices sticky and
differences obvious in what the brushes do.

May play some more, but clean install may be the only way to go. Might
attempt that on my laptop, but NOT on the PC - will somehow live without
it...

Chuck


Jodi Frye

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Jul 21, 2003, 7:15:52 PM7/21/03
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Hey chuck, come to think of it...someone else came on here with the exact same problem...wonder if you could find him and see what plug-ins you have in common ? ;)

Jodi Frye

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Jul 21, 2003, 7:14:18 PM7/21/03
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Chuck, ya, next version will be here before ya know it anyways ;) Oh gosh, they may take the impressionist brush out all together, ..gee, I hope not. It is such a Kool Tool ;)

Chuck Snyder

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Jul 21, 2003, 7:43:42 PM7/21/03
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Pete, Rich Coencas was kind enough to try it on his 'official' Elements
load, and it works there. I also successfully got it going on the third
computer in this house (not counting all the dead ones in the attic,
starting with the Atari 400....), so the problem is with whatever alien life
forces I installed on Computers #1 and #2. May have to stay there, 'cause
the prospect of removing and reinstalling the program and all the
'necessary' add-on's is just too much for this old man to contemplate...

Chuck


no spam @yahoo.com Pete D

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Jul 21, 2003, 7:56:17 PM7/21/03
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Chuck,

Gheeze, I was writing slow I guess and when I refreshed my news reader there
were a bunch of posts before my answer. Then same thing again. I am going
to have to learn to type faster:)


no spam @yahoo.com Pete D

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Jul 21, 2003, 7:40:29 PM7/21/03
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OOPS! Chuck,

I thought you were referring to the stock alternate paintbrush...the
"impressionist brush" when I just replied. Now I see you are talking about
an add on. Sorry

Pete


"Chuck...

Ray

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Jul 21, 2003, 8:04:52 PM7/21/03
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I wonder how many 5.25" diskettes would be required to fit Elements on, just
so to load it on my Tandy Color Computer 1 ? :)

Ray


Chuck Snyder

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Jul 21, 2003, 7:45:26 PM7/21/03
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Pete, yes I was talking about the impressionist brush; lost its way,
probably associated with an add-on of some sort. Oh, well....

Chuck


no spam @yahoo.com Pete D

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Jul 21, 2003, 7:37:31 PM7/21/03
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> I don't believe we ever resolved this one: PE 2 on Windows,
Impressionist
> Brush will only do Tight Short style regardless of choice made under More
> Options- Styles. It's a little hard to detect, because it does allow you
to
> make a choice of style; however, it always does the same thing and when
you
> go back to the menu to see what style you're using, it has reverted to
Tight
> Short.

Chuck,

Mine does not revert back. And there is a very obvious difference between
the tight short and loose long. The tight curls do just that ... like the
tight short and long but with ... you guessed it....curls.

Matter of fact I may just use this tool over the latest challenge and make
an entry out of that:) Really. It is cool looking. (I see no sign of a
bug in my program. This may require further investigation to see why yours
is not working).

Pete


Chuck Snyder

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Jul 21, 2003, 8:30:05 PM7/21/03
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Ray, my first computer had 16 Kbytes of memory; yes, that's K.... Then I
moved up to a whopping 48 K....!

:-)

Chuck


Susan S.

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Jul 21, 2003, 8:11:29 PM7/21/03
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Chuck - On the Mac at least I can say that the major add-ons don't seem to affect it - the impressionist brush works OK for me! (although I still can't work out what to do with it as it is rather unsubtle to put it mildly!) - I have all Richard Lynch's stuff, Ling Neros snap actions, Paul Shipleys add ons plus more styles, brushes and patterns than you can poke a stick at, Auto FX free plugins, Eye Candy 3, panotools plus a few more things... and a Wacom tablet. (Do you have a tablet Chuck? - I know when my tablet settings got fiddled with by my children it did some funny things to my brush dynamics and I had to reinstall the driver software to straighten things up )

If anyone has any suggestion on setings that make the impressionist brush do something useful in the PE2 version, I would be grateful.

Susan S

Chuck Snyder

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Jul 21, 2003, 8:28:03 PM7/21/03
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Susan, I have most of those things installed also. I really am going to try
a reinstall on the laptop, because it's not much good for serious editing,
just previewing and storing away images while on the road. If that doesn't
do it, I'll have to either blame the OS or.....full Photoshop 7, which also
resides on both computers!

:-)

Chuck


Barbara Brundage

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Jul 21, 2003, 9:28:26 PM7/21/03
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Hi, Susan. For me, the impressionist brush in 2 doesn't work as well as the brush in PE1 did--the only bad thing about the new brush engine in 2. In 1, besides actual brushstrokes, you could use the brush just to dissolve/fragment the focus in the parts of the picture you painted with it, but in 2 it just makes those darned curls, although they can create some interesting effects if you apply other filters over them.

Raymond Robillard

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Jul 22, 2003, 8:05:38 AM7/22/03
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Chuck,

My first, true multitasking computer had 64Kb. It run in graphic mode as well, had windows and could run up to four tasks in the same time :)

It was OS/9 - Level II, for the Color Computer. Code optimization has been lost, long lost since then :)

Ray

Connie Harrington

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Jul 22, 2003, 12:49:58 PM7/22/03
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Chuck: My impressionist brush doesn't work either, and I do not have any add-on brushes.

Connie

Rod Stormes

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Jul 22, 2003, 3:30:45 PM7/22/03
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Just for the record My impressionist brush seems stuck on tight curls,
you can select other options and the tick moves, but go to the picture
to work, the drop down menu disappears, and if you reopen it, you're
back on tight curls!

I'd be interested if any one finds an answer.

Rod

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