Saving slideshow PDF in "highest resolution" rotates portrait slides

[Milton...@adobeforums.com]

Saving PDF slideshows at "Use full resolution" causes rotation of portrait slides, irregular timing and some double exposures.(tried at 214 slide show and a 10 slide show)
This is not a problem with either the "Optimize for Viewing Onscreen" or the "Optimize for Printing" settings. All three options add an unwanted partial screen image (of the first slide)at the beginning of the show.

I am having to use PDF to transfer my shows to travel with because the "Burn" command crashes my system (Dell Optiplex GX 250;1.7G/256MB/NEC NR-7800A CD-RW/Win2000) (Using the burn command in Real Networks Rhapsody music service has the same effect). From other threads I assume there is a conflict with PSA and Roxio CD Creator?
Thanks for your help.
GMS

[o3v3tz]

Rotation of portrait slides- you posted your system info but not the camera information. What is the camera? Please confirm that you are running PSA 2.0.1.

For a photo with bad "rotation of portrait slides"

1) did the unedited photo have Orientation Rotate 90 in the PSA Complete Metadata (below camera make and model). The answer is probably yes.

2) did you edit this photo in PSA?

You probably have the problem of PSA not correctly processing the Orientation field set by your camera. The circumvention is to do a double rotate (one side then back again) in the PSA photo well before editing the photo in PSA or creating the slideshow PDF.

However, please post the responses to my questions so we know the camera and other info for the benefit of other forum submitters in the future.

Double Exposures-
May go away when rotation problem resolved.

Irregular timing -
other forum participants have experienced that the timining on PDF slideshows is not as exact as they would like. Suggest that you wait on this one to see if it improves when other problems are resolved, but it might not change.

Partial screen at beginning -
this seems like a PSA Title screen which I think is optional.

Yes, there is a conflict between PSA and Roxio. Roxio 6 seems to be the worst. See the FAQ Jim Jütte "Problems burning CD caused between Adaptec Easy CD Creator Programs and PSA" 2/22/04 10:01am </cgi-bin/webx?50@@.2cd02af6>

Since you are doing PDF slideshows, you can probably just avoid the problem by saving the PDF to disk and then burning the PDF with your burning software.

BarbO

[Jim_Jütte@adobeforums.com]

Milton:

There is a rotation issue that seems to cause problems for some people. I
don't know if this will help you, but you could try "editing" the image and
forcing it to create an edited copy. See if that will make any difference
with a couple of photos. If that works, try creating a few more and then
make your larger slideshow.

Cheers

[o3v3tz]

Milton and Jim

There is a rotation issue that seems to cause problems for some people

I am one of these "some people"

you could try "editing" the image and forcing it to create an edited copy.

Actually Jim, if it is the problem with the orientation flag as I suspect, editing the image first with PSA Fix Photo will make the problem worse.

You must do the double rotate from the Photo Well before before using PSA Fix Photo or Auto Fix. This rotation most likely will be a lossless jpeg rotation.

Milton,

In looking at your post and my initial response, I did not see any specific mention of the file type. I think that the photo files are .jpg as that is where I and others have exprienced the problem. However, please confirm that the files are .jpg or post what format they are.

BarbO

[Milton...@adobeforums.com]

Thanks BarbO and Jim
Camera is a Canon A80. Pictures taken vertically are reoriented in the camera automatically. The photos are .jpg and unedited.

The rotation problem exists only when creating the pdf in the "high resolution" option. There is no problem with rotation with the other two options.

Thanks for your help.
Milton

[Jim_Jütte@adobeforums.com]

Milton:

I have the A60 (little brother) but can't duplicate the problem...

Barbara:

I haven't been following this issue closely but what would you think of
rotating is another app such as PSE or PS-CS and then importing it. Would
you thing that that would also give him problems?

Cheers

[o3v3tz]

Chris French,

I think that you have an Canon A80. If you read this, please comment. Here is an extract of the problem from the original post.

Saving PDF slideshows at "Use full resolution" causes rotation of portrait
slides, irregular timing and some double exposures.(tried at 214 slide
show and a 10 slide show) This is not a problem with either the "Optimize
for Viewing Onscreen" or the "Optimize for Printing" settings

BarbO

[o3v3tz]

Milton,

I did not see your response to this previous question

For a photo with bad "rotation of portrait slides"

1) did the unedited photo have Orientation Rotate 90 in the PSA Complete
Metadata (below camera make and model). The answer is probably yes.

Knowing this information has been key to isolating problems within PSA that other people have experienced with portrait mode photos.

You said that "Pictures taken vertically are reoriented in the camera automatically" but that may not be sufficient info about the photo file itself. If you verify that you are looking at the complete metadata within the PSA Properties and the Orientation field is not present below the camera make and model, then that is effectively a "no" for the Orientation flag.

For example, our family has a Canon S50 and a Canon G5 both of which show the photo in portrait orientation on playback in the camera. However the photo file settings are different (G5 has Rotate 90 setting and the S50 does not.)

BarbO

[Milton...@adobeforums.com]

BarbO
I will check the metadata tonight and post later.
I also forgot that I have updated to 2.0.1.
Thanks
Milton

[na...@adobeforums.com]

what would you think of rotating is another app such as PSE or PS-CS and
then importing it. Would you thing that that would also give him problems?

I don't think it would be a good idea, Jim, as PSE and PS-CS will _not_ rotate jpg files losslessly! They would be recompressed!

I have the A60 (little brother) but can't duplicate the problem...

Does the A60 automatically rotate portrait images by setting the EXIF orientation flag? If yes, please try the following:

1. Take a portrait picture.

2. Import into PSA.

3. Note the pixel dimensions.

4. Use "Auto fix" on the image.

5. Check the pixel dimensions again!

What do you find out?

Alexander.
--
1533 MHz, 1 GB, XP Pro, Canon Ixus 430 (aka S410), CanoScan D1250U2F, German PSE v2.0.2 + PSA v2.0.1

[o3v3tz]

Jim,

Since the A80 is newer than the A60, it seems possible to me that its within the camera processing is different even though they are in the same series of Canon digital cameras.

In Alexander's step 5, you probably need to use something other than PSA to check the dimensions. (If you do experience this PSA bug, your PSA Properties dimensions on the _edited photo may not accurately represent the file itself.) I think that either PS CS or Windows Explorer will be OK for checking the dimenions.

BarbO

[o3v3tz]

Milton,

Please identify which template you were selecting in step 2 of the wizard for the slideshow. I suspect that you had 1 photo "[per page"; please verify.

BarbO

[Milton...@adobeforums.com]

BarbO
Yes, I did use 1 photo per page.
My metadata includes Orientation: Rotate 90.
I duplicated same problems with a different photos (same camera) on a different computer. What I don't understand is why the pdf is different at the "optimum printing" setting than the "optimum resolution setting.
My goal is to be able to show these at the best resolution. Should I just go ahead and use the "printing setting and forget the other problem?
Thanks
Milton

[Jim_Jütte@adobeforums.com]

Alexander:

I don't know if it does have the abilit to rotate... I'll check... just as
soon as I find out where SOMEONE put my camera.

Barbara:

I agree, that is why I think I can't duplicate it... having said that, I
have never checked to see if I could alter the EXIF settings.

It does have quite a number of bells and whistles for such an inexpensive
camera... so I'll see what I can do in the meantime... hopefully by this
evening if I can find the silly thing.

Cheers

[o3v3tz]

Jim,

I don't think that you need to try to recreate the problem with your A60. This is because Milton has responded

My metadata includes Orientation: Rotate 90.

This means that the probability is high that Milton's problem has the same source as what both Alexander experienced with his Ixus 430 and I experienced with our G5.

Milton,

Should I just go ahead and use the "printing setting and forget the other
problem?

My response is a very definite "No", do not forget this problem because it will impact you more seriously when you edit photos within PSA (Alexander's steps in message 9 demonstrate the problem with Autofix or Fix Photo). There is a circumvention.

Merely as a precaution be sure that you have a copy of these portrait photos. For example, as a general practice I copy our photos to a CD after I download them to our computer.

Now implement the circumvention:
-Select several of the portrait photos, that were used in this slideshow, in the PSA Photo Well.
-Rotate them first to the right and then back to the left so they are back in their original position.
-Check the metadata of one of these photos again and I anticipate that it will now say Orientation Normal: PSA has done a jpeg lossless rotation of the photo and reset the indicator.
-You will now be ok editing these photos or using them in a slideshow.

In theory you should be able to select all of your portrait photos and do the rotation at one time. In fact, how many you can do may be limited by available memory. For now at a minimum, do the circumvention on all the portrait mode (orientation 90) photos used in the slideshow. Then later you can do the other portrait photos before you do any Fix on them.

Now create the slideshow again and report your results.

What I don't understand is why the pdf is different at the "optimum printing"
setting than the "optimum resolution setting.

My observation is that the manifestation of the problem is just more subtle at the other settings - for example, it may look slightly out of focus. I am not ignoring this question but my emphasis is on the best overall circumvention based on my conversation with Adobe tech support about my Orientation 90 problem and the experiences of forum participants.

My goal is to be able to show these at the best resolution

We can discuss this again after you report on the circumvention. The resolution will be limited by the device on which the photos are displayed so I doubt that there is a one case fits all answer.

BarbO

[Jim_Jütte@adobeforums.com]

Just as well... I can't find my camera... although frankly THAT is becoming
a bigger concern. :-(

Cheers

[Milton...@adobeforums.com]

BarbO
Thanks for your help.
I will try your ideas when I get back to my computer next week.
Milton