In this overview it says that I *cannot* use ADF Mobile Browser /
Trinidad with an "essentials" license.
I don't see a reason why it cannot be used with an "essentials" license.
So I'm curious what it is that cannot be used (and why) and what can be
used with ADF essentials ?
I understand the decision for this, but it's an interesting situation as trinidad was donated to Apache and is an independent product with its own license.
> In this overview it says that I *cannot* use ADF Mobile Browser / > Trinidad with an "essentials" license. > I don't see a reason why it cannot be used with an "essentials" license.
> So I'm curious what it is that cannot be used (and why) and what can be > used with ADF essentials ?
Yes, Jernej, that's the issue. Trinidad is not part of ADF Essentials
because it is its own product and separately downloadable and licensed. We
have also not done specific certification testing with Trinidad on
GlassFish. The upshot is that Oracle Support will not support Trinidad on
GlassFish under the ADF Essentials support contract. But, nothing prevents
you from trying it out!
On Tue, Sep 25, 2012 at 1:27 AM, Jernej Kaše <jernej.k...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I understand the decision for this, but it's an interesting situation as
> trinidad was donated to Apache and is an independent product with its own
> license.
> On Tuesday, 25 September 2012 10:22:39 UTC+2, luc bors wrote:
>> In this overview it says that I *cannot* use ADF Mobile Browser /
>> Trinidad with an "essentials" license.
>> I don't see a reason why it cannot be used with an "essentials" license.
>> So I'm curious what it is that cannot be used (and why) and what can be
>> used with ADF essentials ?
>> Can anybody explain this ?
>> Luc
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Hi Brian,
The overview at the link in my initial email states that it is not allowed
to use trinidad with ADF essential license.
Nothing prevents me from trying, but I still wonder what exactly is not
allowed, and why ?
Op 25 sep. 2012 23:05 schreef "Brian Fry" <bfryb...@gmail.com> het volgende:
> Yes, Jernej, that's the issue. Trinidad is not part of ADF Essentials
> because it is its own product and separately downloadable and licensed. We
> have also not done specific certification testing with Trinidad on
> GlassFish. The upshot is that Oracle Support will not support Trinidad on
> GlassFish under the ADF Essentials support contract. But, nothing prevents
> you from trying it out!
> -- Brian
> On Tue, Sep 25, 2012 at 1:27 AM, Jernej Kaše <jernej.k...@gmail.com>wrote:
>> I understand the decision for this, but it's an interesting situation as
>> trinidad was donated to Apache and is an independent product with its own
>> license.
>> On Tuesday, 25 September 2012 10:22:39 UTC+2, luc bors wrote:
>>> In this overview it says that I *cannot* use ADF Mobile Browser /
>>> Trinidad with an "essentials" license.
>>> I don't see a reason why it cannot be used with an "essentials" license.
>>> So I'm curious what it is that cannot be used (and why) and what can be
>>> used with ADF essentials ?
>>> Can anybody explain this ?
>>> Luc
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Maybe we can address the phrasing or add a note to make this clearer in the
document you pointed to. Trinidad is not covered by the ADF Essentials
license terms (perhaps "covered" or "included" is better than "allowed" in
this document?), and is not covered under the ADF Essentials support
contract.
On Tue, Sep 25, 2012 at 2:09 PM, Luc Bors <lucb...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi Brian,
> The overview at the link in my initial email states that it is not allowed
> to use trinidad with ADF essential license.
> Nothing prevents me from trying, but I still wonder what exactly is not
> allowed, and why ?
> Op 25 sep. 2012 23:05 schreef "Brian Fry" <bfryb...@gmail.com> het
> volgende:
> Yes, Jernej, that's the issue. Trinidad is not part of ADF Essentials
>> because it is its own product and separately downloadable and licensed. We
>> have also not done specific certification testing with Trinidad on
>> GlassFish. The upshot is that Oracle Support will not support Trinidad on
>> GlassFish under the ADF Essentials support contract. But, nothing prevents
>> you from trying it out!
>> -- Brian
>> On Tue, Sep 25, 2012 at 1:27 AM, Jernej Kaše <jernej.k...@gmail.com>wrote:
>>> I understand the decision for this, but it's an interesting situation as
>>> trinidad was donated to Apache and is an independent product with its own
>>> license.
>>> On Tuesday, 25 September 2012 10:22:39 UTC+2, luc bors wrote:
>>>> In this overview it says that I *cannot* use ADF Mobile Browser /
>>>> Trinidad with an "essentials" license.
>>>> I don't see a reason why it cannot be used with an "essentials" license.
>>>> So I'm curious what it is that cannot be used (and why) and what can be
>>>> used with ADF essentials ?
>>>> Can anybody explain this ?
>>>> Luc
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On Tue, Sep 25, 2012 at 2:34 PM, Brian Fry <bfryb...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Maybe we can address the phrasing or add a note to make this clearer in
> the document you pointed to. Trinidad is not covered by the ADF Essentials
> license terms (perhaps "covered" or "included" is better than "allowed" in
> this document?), and is not covered under the ADF Essentials support
> contract.
> -- Brian
> On Tue, Sep 25, 2012 at 2:09 PM, Luc Bors <lucb...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Hi Brian,
>> The overview at the link in my initial email states that it is not
>> allowed to use trinidad with ADF essential license.
>> Nothing prevents me from trying, but I still wonder what exactly is not
>> allowed, and why ?
>> Op 25 sep. 2012 23:05 schreef "Brian Fry" <bfryb...@gmail.com> het
>> volgende:
>> Yes, Jernej, that's the issue. Trinidad is not part of ADF Essentials
>>> because it is its own product and separately downloadable and licensed. We
>>> have also not done specific certification testing with Trinidad on
>>> GlassFish. The upshot is that Oracle Support will not support Trinidad on
>>> GlassFish under the ADF Essentials support contract. But, nothing prevents
>>> you from trying it out!
>>> -- Brian
>>> On Tue, Sep 25, 2012 at 1:27 AM, Jernej Kaše <jernej.k...@gmail.com>wrote:
>>>> I understand the decision for this, but it's an interesting situation
>>>> as trinidad was donated to Apache and is an independent product with its
>>>> own license.
>>>> On Tuesday, 25 September 2012 10:22:39 UTC+2, luc bors wrote:
>>>>> In this overview it says that I *cannot* use ADF Mobile Browser /
>>>>> Trinidad with an "essentials" license.
>>>>> I don't see a reason why it cannot be used with an
>>>>> "essentials" license.
>>>>> So I'm curious what it is that cannot be used (and why) and what can
>>>>> be used with ADF essentials ?
>>>>> Can anybody explain this ?
>>>>> Luc
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> That's an interesting question because you can't import javascript in ADF without using the Trinidad tags.
> Mark
> On Tue, Sep 25, 2012 at 2:34 PM, Brian Fry <bfryb...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Maybe we can address the phrasing or add a note to make this clearer in the document you pointed to. Trinidad is not covered by the ADF Essentials license terms (perhaps "covered" or "included" is better than "allowed" in this document?), and is not covered under the ADF Essentials support contract.
> -- Brian
> On Tue, Sep 25, 2012 at 2:09 PM, Luc Bors <lucb...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi Brian,
> The overview at the link in my initial email states that it is not allowed to use trinidad with ADF essential license. > Nothing prevents me from trying, but I still wonder what exactly is not allowed, and why ?
> Op 25 sep. 2012 23:05 schreef "Brian Fry" <bfryb...@gmail.com> het volgende:
> Yes, Jernej, that's the issue. Trinidad is not part of ADF Essentials because it is its own product and separately downloadable and licensed. We have also not done specific certification testing with Trinidad on GlassFish. The upshot is that Oracle Support will not support Trinidad on GlassFish under the ADF Essentials support contract. But, nothing prevents you from trying it out!
> -- Brian
> On Tue, Sep 25, 2012 at 1:27 AM, Jernej Kaše <jernej.k...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I understand the decision for this, but it's an interesting situation as trinidad was donated to Apache and is an independent product with its own license.
> On Tuesday, 25 September 2012 10:22:39 UTC+2, luc bors wrote:
> Hi,
> In this overview it says that I cannot use ADF Mobile Browser / Trinidad with an "essentials" license.
> I don't see a reason why it cannot be used with an "essentials" license.
> So I'm curious what it is that cannot be used (and why) and what can be used with ADF essentials ?
> Can anybody explain this ?
> Luc
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> Right now, when people look at that document, it seems like we are *
> disallowed*(or prohibited) to use Trinidad with ADF Essentials which
> doesn't make sense since Trinidad has been OpenSourced.
> On Tuesday, September 25, 2012 5:34:31 PM UTC-4, b wrote:
>> Maybe we can address the phrasing or add a note to make this clearer in
>> the document you pointed to. Trinidad is not covered by the ADF Essentials
>> license terms (perhaps "covered" or "included" is better than "allowed" in
>> this document?), and is not covered under the ADF Essentials support
>> contract.
>> -- Brian
>> On Tue, Sep 25, 2012 at 2:09 PM, Luc Bors <luc...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Hi Brian,
>>> The overview at the link in my initial email states that it is not
>>> allowed to use trinidad with ADF essential license.
>>> Nothing prevents me from trying, but I still wonder what exactly is not
>>> allowed, and why ?
>>> Op 25 sep. 2012 23:05 schreef "Brian Fry" <bfry...@gmail.com> het
>>> volgende:
>>> Yes, Jernej, that's the issue. Trinidad is not part of ADF Essentials
>>>> because it is its own product and separately downloadable and licensed. We
>>>> have also not done specific certification testing with Trinidad on
>>>> GlassFish. The upshot is that Oracle Support will not support Trinidad on
>>>> GlassFish under the ADF Essentials support contract. But, nothing prevents
>>>> you from trying it out!
>>>> -- Brian
>>>> On Tue, Sep 25, 2012 at 1:27 AM, Jernej Kaše <jerne...@gmail.com>wrote:
>>>>> I understand the decision for this, but it's an interesting situation
>>>>> as trinidad was donated to Apache and is an independent product with its
>>>>> own license.
>>>>> On Tuesday, 25 September 2012 10:22:39 UTC+2, luc bors wrote:
>>>>>> In this overview it says that I *cannot* use ADF Mobile Browser /
>>>>>> Trinidad with an "essentials" license.
>>>>>> I don't see a reason why it cannot be used with an
>>>>>> "essentials" license.
>>>>>> So I'm curious what it is that cannot be used (and why) and what can
>>>>>> be used with ADF essentials ?
>>>>>> Can anybody explain this ?
>>>>>> Luc
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I changed the verbiage on the page to say "Included with ADF Essentials".
Hopefully that's clearer. It's still the case that Trinidad is not covered
under the ADF Essentials license (it has it's own OS license), nor under
the ADF Essentials support contract.
> That is exactly my point.com
> Op 26 sep. 2012 16:08 schreef "Hyangelo" hyang...@gmail.com> het volgende:
> Right now, when people look at that document, it seems like we are
> disallowed(or prohibited) to use Trinidad with ADF Essentials which
> doesn't make sense since Trinidad has been OpenSourced.
> On Tuesday, September 25, 2012 5:34:31 PM UTC-4, b wrote:
> Maybe we can address the phrasing or add a note to make this clearer in
> the document you pointed to. Trinidad is not covered by the ADF
> Essentials license terms (perhaps "covered" or "included" is better
> than "allowed" in this document?), and is not covered under the ADF
> Essentials support contract.
> -- Brian
> On Tue, Sep 25, 2012 at 2:09 PM, Luc Bors luc...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi Brian,
> The overview at the link in my initial email states that it is not
> allowed to use trinidad with ADF essential license.
> Nothing prevents me from trying, but I still wonder what exactly is not
> allowed, and why ?
> Op 25 sep. 2012 23:05 schreef "Brian Fry" bfry...@gmail.com> het volgende:
> Yes, Jernej, that's the issue. Trinidad is not part of ADF Essentials
> because it is its own product and separately downloadable and licensed.
> We have also not done specific certification testing with Trinidad on
> GlassFish. The upshot is that Oracle Support will not support Trinidad on
> GlassFish under the ADF Essentials support contract. But, nothing
> prevents you from trying it out!
> -- Brian
> On Tue, Sep 25, 2012 at 1:27 AM, Jernej Kaše jerne...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I understand the decision for this, but it's an interesting situation as
> trinidad was donated to Apache and is an independent product with its own
> license.
> On Tuesday, 25 September 2012 10:22:39 UTC+2, luc bors wrote:
> Hi,
> There is a document on OTN containing on overview of ADF Framework
> Components Allowed with
> ADF Essentials License:
> http://www.oracle.com/technetwork/developer-tools/adf/overview/compon... > In this overview it says that I cannot use ADF Mobile Browser / Trinidad
> with an "essentials" license.
> I don't see a reason why it cannot be used with an "essentials" license.
> So I'm curious what it is that cannot be used (and why) and what can be
> used with ADF essentials ?
> Can anybody explain this ?
> Luc
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I read the news about ADF Essentials on my mobile phone while in
bed... had some trouble getting asleep of the excitement! I just
switched jobs to work for a small foundation (with limited budget)
so ADF seemed miles away... now it is no longer.
However, how is support for MySQL?
Now that ADF is becoming an option for the small businesses and
foundations alike, the support for MySQL becomes much more
important. I can imagine many developers being interested in a Linux
- Glassfish - MySQL - ADF Essentials (LGMA) setup. Officially, MySQL
5.1 is "certified" with JDev and "supported" with ADF (see http://www.oracle.com/technetwork/developer-tools/jdev/jdev11gr2-cert-405181.html).
One can even find a few installation guides and how-to blogs on the
internet on ADF & MySQL but there it pretty much seems to end.
However, I ran my own little sample project and stumbled upon the
fact that ADF does not seem to know how to handle the TIMESTAMP
column type (it cannot read the data when the viewobject tries to
execute the SQL!). This made me wonder how "supported" MySQL really
is.
The question is therefore: Does anyone have any experiences and
best-practices with MySQL in combination with ADF?
Right now the choice is between MySQL and Oracle XE as the two
"free" options. However, I don't like the restrictions on XE, so I'd
prefer MySQL if possible at all.
MySQL with ADF is working fine , I already did it with 11gR1 PS2 and mysql cluster. but you need to do the following.
jpa works perfectly. with adf bc use java types, override entity create -> no rowid and for id ( autonum) and FK do select last_id .. , set the right database parameters for time etc. Use file persistence instead of ps_txn table And I had to override the where clause for the query panel ( add where clause outside , else full table scan ) . cause oracle optimizer is more clever.
On Tuesday, October 2, 2012 5:07:50 AM UTC+2, Evert-Jan de Bruin wrote:
> Hi all,
> I read the news about ADF Essentials on my mobile phone while in bed... > had some trouble getting asleep of the excitement! I just switched jobs to > work for a small foundation (with limited budget) so ADF seemed miles > away... now it is no longer.
> However, how is support for MySQL?
> Now that ADF is becoming an option for the small businesses and > foundations alike, the support for MySQL becomes much more important. I can > imagine many developers being interested in a Linux - Glassfish - MySQL - > ADF Essentials (LGMA) setup. Officially, MySQL 5.1 is "certified" with JDev > and "supported" with ADF (see > http://www.oracle.com/technetwork/developer-tools/jdev/jdev11gr2-cert...). > One can even find a few installation guides and how-to blogs on the > internet on ADF & MySQL but there it pretty much seems to end.
> However, I ran my own little sample project and stumbled upon the fact > that ADF does not seem to know how to handle the TIMESTAMP column type (it > cannot read the data when the viewobject tries to execute the SQL!). This > made me wonder how "supported" MySQL really is.
> The question is therefore: *Does anyone have any experiences and > best-practices with MySQL in combination with ADF?*
> Right now the choice is between MySQL and Oracle XE as the two "free" > options. However, I don't like the restrictions on XE, so I'd prefer MySQL > if possible at all.
I try small project with mySQL .
MySQL is not SQL-92 compatible,
MySQL with ADF incompatible.
MySQL doesn't support sequence generator,
I think MySQL is supported only JDBC level, not ADF BC level.
2012/10/2 Evert-Jan de Bruin <evert-...@debruinconsultancy.nl>
> I read the news about ADF Essentials on my mobile phone while in bed...
> had some trouble getting asleep of the excitement! I just switched jobs to
> work for a small foundation (with limited budget) so ADF seemed miles
> away... now it is no longer.
> However, how is support for MySQL?
> Now that ADF is becoming an option for the small businesses and
> foundations alike, the support for MySQL becomes much more important. I can
> imagine many developers being interested in a Linux - Glassfish - MySQL -
> ADF Essentials (LGMA) setup. Officially, MySQL 5.1 is "certified" with JDev
> and "supported" with ADF (see
> http://www.oracle.com/technetwork/developer-tools/jdev/jdev11gr2-cert...).
> One can even find a few installation guides and how-to blogs on the
> internet on ADF & MySQL but there it pretty much seems to end.
> However, I ran my own little sample project and stumbled upon the fact
> that ADF does not seem to know how to handle the TIMESTAMP column type (it
> cannot read the data when the viewobject tries to execute the SQL!). This
> made me wonder how "supported" MySQL really is.
> The question is therefore: *Does anyone have any experiences and
> best-practices with MySQL in combination with ADF?*
> Right now the choice is between MySQL and Oracle XE as the two "free"
> options. However, I don't like the restrictions on XE, so I'd prefer MySQL
> if possible at all.
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Getting MySQL to work should be possible, I've tried SQL Server, and have
had reasonable success with small scale projects and POCs.
I see the point of Primary key generation raised in the thread, and did not
see a reference to this document, so here goes :
On Tue, Oct 2, 2012 at 6:19 AM, Birol Bora <bora.bi...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I try small project with mySQL .
> MySQL is not SQL-92 compatible,
> MySQL with ADF incompatible.
> MySQL doesn't support sequence generator,
> I think MySQL is supported only JDBC level, not ADF BC level.
> 2012/10/2 Evert-Jan de Bruin <evert-...@debruinconsultancy.nl>
>> Hi all,
>> I read the news about ADF Essentials on my mobile phone while in bed...
>> had some trouble getting asleep of the excitement! I just switched jobs to
>> work for a small foundation (with limited budget) so ADF seemed miles
>> away... now it is no longer.
>> However, how is support for MySQL?
>> Now that ADF is becoming an option for the small businesses and
>> foundations alike, the support for MySQL becomes much more important. I can
>> imagine many developers being interested in a Linux - Glassfish - MySQL -
>> ADF Essentials (LGMA) setup. Officially, MySQL 5.1 is "certified" with JDev
>> and "supported" with ADF (see
>> http://www.oracle.com/technetwork/developer-tools/jdev/jdev11gr2-cert...).
>> One can even find a few installation guides and how-to blogs on the
>> internet on ADF & MySQL but there it pretty much seems to end.
>> However, I ran my own little sample project and stumbled upon the fact
>> that ADF does not seem to know how to handle the TIMESTAMP column type (it
>> cannot read the data when the viewobject tries to execute the SQL!). This
>> made me wonder how "supported" MySQL really is.
>> The question is therefore: *Does anyone have any experiences and
>> best-practices with MySQL in combination with ADF?*
>> Right now the choice is between MySQL and Oracle XE as the two "free"
>> options. However, I don't like the restrictions on XE, so I'd prefer MySQL
>> if possible at all.
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Very late reply for that discussion. But i need to share MySQL and ADF
development things.
I think, MySQL is compatible with ADF development. Because we developed,
implemented ADF (11.1.1.4.0) with MySQL.
For the sequence id generation, we are using following methods:
protected void create(AttributeList attributeList) {
super.create(attributeList);
setId(InteractiveUIDGeneration.getUID());
}
> Getting MySQL to work should be possible, I've tried SQL Server, and have
> had reasonable success with small scale projects and POCs.
> I see the point of Primary key generation raised in the thread, and did
> not see a reference to this document, so here goes :
> On Tue, Oct 2, 2012 at 6:19 AM, Birol Bora <bora.bi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> I try small project with mySQL .
>> MySQL is not SQL-92 compatible,
>> MySQL with ADF incompatible.
>> MySQL doesn't support sequence generator,
>> I think MySQL is supported only JDBC level, not ADF BC level.
>> 2012/10/2 Evert-Jan de Bruin <evert-...@debruinconsultancy.nl>
>>> Hi all,
>>> I read the news about ADF Essentials on my mobile phone while in bed...
>>> had some trouble getting asleep of the excitement! I just switched jobs to
>>> work for a small foundation (with limited budget) so ADF seemed miles
>>> away... now it is no longer.
>>> However, how is support for MySQL?
>>> Now that ADF is becoming an option for the small businesses and
>>> foundations alike, the support for MySQL becomes much more important. I can
>>> imagine many developers being interested in a Linux - Glassfish - MySQL -
>>> ADF Essentials (LGMA) setup. Officially, MySQL 5.1 is "certified" with JDev
>>> and "supported" with ADF (see
>>> http://www.oracle.com/technetwork/developer-tools/jdev/jdev11gr2-cert...).
>>> One can even find a few installation guides and how-to blogs on the
>>> internet on ADF & MySQL but there it pretty much seems to end.
>>> However, I ran my own little sample project and stumbled upon the fact
>>> that ADF does not seem to know how to handle the TIMESTAMP column type (it
>>> cannot read the data when the viewobject tries to execute the SQL!). This
>>> made me wonder how "supported" MySQL really is.
>>> The question is therefore: *Does anyone have any experiences and
>>> best-practices with MySQL in combination with ADF?*
>>> Right now the choice is between MySQL and Oracle XE as the two "free"
>>> options. However, I don't like the restrictions on XE, so I'd prefer MySQL
>>> if possible at all.
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Running with MySQL is certainly possible, in fact I happen to know that at
least one shipping Oracle Product uses this exact combination.
The secret here is to produce a customized mapping file (The data type map
you see when you first configure ADFBC in a project) which will map the
JDBC datatypes that you get from your SQL source to the types / domains
that you have in ADFBC.
This should allow the framework to automatically handle the conversions for
you.
Unfortunately although you can plug in your own type map, the methodology
for doing so is not actually documented.
This is on my long list of blog-articles-I-need-to-write
Duncan
On Mon, Nov 12, 2012 at 3:21 PM, Erdenebayar Erdenebileg <
> Very late reply for that discussion. But i need to share MySQL and ADF
> development things.
> I think, MySQL is compatible with ADF development. Because we developed,
> implemented ADF (11.1.1.4.0) with MySQL.
> For the sequence id generation, we are using following methods:
> protected void create(AttributeList attributeList) {
> super.create(attributeList);
> setId(InteractiveUIDGeneration.getUID());
> }
> On Wed, Oct 3, 2012 at 12:32 AM, Jeevan G Joseph <jeeva...@gmail.com>wrote:
>> Getting MySQL to work should be possible, I've tried SQL Server, and have
>> had reasonable success with small scale projects and POCs.
>> I see the point of Primary key generation raised in the thread, and did
>> not see a reference to this document, so here goes :
>> On Tue, Oct 2, 2012 at 6:19 AM, Birol Bora <bora.bi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> I try small project with mySQL .
>>> MySQL is not SQL-92 compatible,
>>> MySQL with ADF incompatible.
>>> MySQL doesn't support sequence generator,
>>> I think MySQL is supported only JDBC level, not ADF BC level.
>>> 2012/10/2 Evert-Jan de Bruin <evert-...@debruinconsultancy.nl>
>>>> Hi all,
>>>> I read the news about ADF Essentials on my mobile phone while in bed...
>>>> had some trouble getting asleep of the excitement! I just switched jobs to
>>>> work for a small foundation (with limited budget) so ADF seemed miles
>>>> away... now it is no longer.
>>>> However, how is support for MySQL?
>>>> Now that ADF is becoming an option for the small businesses and
>>>> foundations alike, the support for MySQL becomes much more important. I can
>>>> imagine many developers being interested in a Linux - Glassfish - MySQL -
>>>> ADF Essentials (LGMA) setup. Officially, MySQL 5.1 is "certified" with JDev
>>>> and "supported" with ADF (see
>>>> http://www.oracle.com/technetwork/developer-tools/jdev/jdev11gr2-cert...).
>>>> One can even find a few installation guides and how-to blogs on the
>>>> internet on ADF & MySQL but there it pretty much seems to end.
>>>> However, I ran my own little sample project and stumbled upon the fact
>>>> that ADF does not seem to know how to handle the TIMESTAMP column type (it
>>>> cannot read the data when the viewobject tries to execute the SQL!). This
>>>> made me wonder how "supported" MySQL really is.
>>>> The question is therefore: *Does anyone have any experiences and
>>>> best-practices with MySQL in combination with ADF?*
>>>> Right now the choice is between MySQL and Oracle XE as the two "free"
>>>> options. However, I don't like the restrictions on XE, so I'd prefer MySQL
>>>> if possible at all.
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Sometime I have the feeling (not sure if intuitive or just in my dreams) that there are many valuable ADF secrets that deserve not only some blog articles but a proper documentation of those undocumented secrets..
Am I right or is it just my wishful think, adding to ADF a mystic dimension ? :)
Jean-Marc
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Le mercredi 14 novembre 2012 21:48:04 UTC+4, Duncan Mills a écrit :
> Running with MySQL is certainly possible, in fact I happen to know that at > least one shipping Oracle Product uses this exact combination. > The secret here is to produce a customized mapping file (The data type map > you see when you first configure ADFBC in a project) which will map the > JDBC datatypes that you get from your SQL source to the types / domains > that you have in ADFBC. > This should allow the framework to automatically handle the conversions > for you. > Unfortunately although you can plug in your own type map, the methodology > for doing so is not actually documented. > This is on my long list of blog-articles-I-need-to-write
> Duncan
> On Mon, Nov 12, 2012 at 3:21 PM, Erdenebayar Erdenebileg <
> erdenebayar...@gmail.com <javascript:>> wrote:
>> Hello,
>> Very late reply for that discussion. But i need to share MySQL and ADF >> development things.
>> I think, MySQL is compatible with ADF development. Because we developed, >> implemented ADF (11.1.1.4.0) with MySQL.
>> For the sequence id generation, we are using following methods:
>> protected void create(AttributeList attributeList) {
>> super.create(attributeList);
>> setId(InteractiveUIDGeneration.getUID());
>> }
>> On Wed, Oct 3, 2012 at 12:32 AM, Jeevan G Joseph <jeev...@gmail.com<javascript:>
>> > wrote:
>>> Getting MySQL to work should be possible, I've tried SQL Server, and >>> have had reasonable success with small scale projects and POCs.
>>> I see the point of Primary key generation raised in the thread, and did >>> not see a reference to this document, so here goes :
>>> On Tue, Oct 2, 2012 at 6:19 AM, Birol Bora <bora....@gmail.com<javascript:>
>>> > wrote:
>>>> I try small project with mySQL .
>>>> MySQL is not SQL-92 compatible, >>>> MySQL with ADF incompatible. >>>> MySQL doesn't support sequence generator,
>>>> I think MySQL is supported only JDBC level, not ADF BC level.
>>>> 2012/10/2 Evert-Jan de Bruin <ever...@debruinconsultancy.nl<javascript:>
>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>> I read the news about ADF Essentials on my mobile phone while in >>>>> bed... had some trouble getting asleep of the excitement! I just switched >>>>> jobs to work for a small foundation (with limited budget) so ADF seemed >>>>> miles away... now it is no longer.
>>>>> However, how is support for MySQL?
>>>>> Now that ADF is becoming an option for the small businesses and >>>>> foundations alike, the support for MySQL becomes much more important. I can >>>>> imagine many developers being interested in a Linux - Glassfish - MySQL - >>>>> ADF Essentials (LGMA) setup. Officially, MySQL 5.1 is "certified" with JDev >>>>> and "supported" with ADF (see >>>>> http://www.oracle.com/technetwork/developer-tools/jdev/jdev11gr2-cert...). >>>>> One can even find a few installation guides and how-to blogs on the >>>>> internet on ADF & MySQL but there it pretty much seems to end.
>>>>> However, I ran my own little sample project and stumbled upon the fact >>>>> that ADF does not seem to know how to handle the TIMESTAMP column type (it >>>>> cannot read the data when the viewobject tries to execute the SQL!). This >>>>> made me wonder how "supported" MySQL really is.
>>>>> The question is therefore: *Does anyone have any experiences and >>>>> best-practices with MySQL in combination with ADF?*
>>>>> Right now the choice is between MySQL and Oracle XE as the two "free" >>>>> options. However, I don't like the restrictions on XE, so I'd prefer MySQL >>>>> if possible at all.
>>>>> Thanks!
>>>>> Evert-Jan de Bruin
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On Wednesday, November 14, 2012 6:48:04 PM UTC+1, Duncan Mills wrote:
> Running with MySQL is certainly possible, in fact I happen to know that at > least one shipping Oracle Product uses this exact combination. > The secret here is to produce a customized mapping file (The data type map > you see when you first configure ADFBC in a project) which will map the > JDBC datatypes that you get from your SQL source to the types / domains > that you have in ADFBC. > This should allow the framework to automatically handle the conversions > for you. > Unfortunately although you can plug in your own type map, the methodology > for doing so is not actually documented. > This is on my long list of blog-articles-I-need-to-write
> Duncan
> On Mon, Nov 12, 2012 at 3:21 PM, Erdenebayar Erdenebileg < > erdenebayar...@gmail.com <javascript:>> wrote:
>> Hello,
>> Very late reply for that discussion. But i need to share MySQL and ADF >> development things. >> I think, MySQL is compatible with ADF development. Because we developed, >> implemented ADF (11.1.1.4.0) with MySQL.
>> For the sequence id generation, we are using following methods: >> protected void create(AttributeList attributeList) { >> super.create(attributeList); >> setId(InteractiveUIDGeneration.getUID()); >> }
>> On Wed, Oct 3, 2012 at 12:32 AM, Jeevan G Joseph <jeev...@gmail.com<javascript:> >> > wrote:
>>> Getting MySQL to work should be possible, I've tried SQL Server, and >>> have had reasonable success with small scale projects and POCs. >>> I see the point of Primary key generation raised in the thread, and did >>> not see a reference to this document, so here goes :
>>> On Tue, Oct 2, 2012 at 6:19 AM, Birol Bora <bora....@gmail.com<javascript:> >>> > wrote:
>>>> I try small project with mySQL . >>>> MySQL is not SQL-92 compatible, >>>> MySQL with ADF incompatible. >>>> MySQL doesn't support sequence generator, >>>> I think MySQL is supported only JDBC level, not ADF BC level.
>>>> 2012/10/2 Evert-Jan de Bruin <ever...@debruinconsultancy.nl<javascript:>
>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>> I read the news about ADF Essentials on my mobile phone while in >>>>> bed... had some trouble getting asleep of the excitement! I just switched >>>>> jobs to work for a small foundation (with limited budget) so ADF seemed >>>>> miles away... now it is no longer.
>>>>> However, how is support for MySQL?
>>>>> Now that ADF is becoming an option for the small businesses and >>>>> foundations alike, the support for MySQL becomes much more important. I can >>>>> imagine many developers being interested in a Linux - Glassfish - MySQL - >>>>> ADF Essentials (LGMA) setup. Officially, MySQL 5.1 is "certified" with JDev >>>>> and "supported" with ADF (see >>>>> http://www.oracle.com/technetwork/developer-tools/jdev/jdev11gr2-cert...). >>>>> One can even find a few installation guides and how-to blogs on the >>>>> internet on ADF & MySQL but there it pretty much seems to end.
>>>>> However, I ran my own little sample project and stumbled upon the fact >>>>> that ADF does not seem to know how to handle the TIMESTAMP column type (it >>>>> cannot read the data when the viewobject tries to execute the SQL!). This >>>>> made me wonder how "supported" MySQL really is.
>>>>> The question is therefore: *Does anyone have any experiences and >>>>> best-practices with MySQL in combination with ADF?*
>>>>> Right now the choice is between MySQL and Oracle XE as the two "free" >>>>> options. However, I don't like the restrictions on XE, so I'd prefer MySQL >>>>> if possible at all.
>>>>> Thanks! >>>>> Evert-Jan de Bruin
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I think that this particular case is simply a matter of up until now it's not been important and there are better things to spend documentation time on than a feature that is used by less than 1/10th of 1 percent of the community. The framework is so huge, and there are so many hook points that it's impossible to document every single one at level we might like. As things have changed with ADF Essentials and we see more folks using MySQL with the stack it makes sense to beef this area up and give it more priority. In the short term though I can blog about it :-)
Duncan
On Nov 15, 2012, at 10:09 AM, Jean-Marc Desvaux wrote:
> Sometime I have the feeling (not sure if intuitive or just in my dreams) that there are many valuable ADF secrets that deserve not only some blog articles but a proper documentation of those undocumented secrets..
> Am I right or is it just my wishful think, adding to ADF a mystic dimension ? :)
> Jean-Marc
> ------------------
> Le mercredi 14 novembre 2012 21:48:04 UTC+4, Duncan Mills a écrit :
> Running with MySQL is certainly possible, in fact I happen to know that at least one shipping Oracle Product uses this exact combination. > The secret here is to produce a customized mapping file (The data type map you see when you first configure ADFBC in a project) which will map the JDBC datatypes that you get from your SQL source to the types / domains that you have in ADFBC. > This should allow the framework to automatically handle the conversions for you. > Unfortunately although you can plug in your own type map, the methodology for doing so is not actually documented. > This is on my long list of blog-articles-I-need-to-write
> Duncan
> On Mon, Nov 12, 2012 at 3:21 PM, Erdenebayar Erdenebileg <erdenebayar...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hello,
> Very late reply for that discussion. But i need to share MySQL and ADF development things.
> I think, MySQL is compatible with ADF development. Because we developed, implemented ADF (11.1.1.4.0) with MySQL.
> For the sequence id generation, we are using following methods:
> protected void create(AttributeList attributeList) {
> super.create(attributeList);
> setId(InteractiveUIDGeneration.getUID());
> }
> On Wed, Oct 3, 2012 at 12:32 AM, Jeevan G Joseph <jeev...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Getting MySQL to work should be possible, I've tried SQL Server, and have had reasonable success with small scale projects and POCs.
> I see the point of Primary key generation raised in the thread, and did not see a reference to this document, so here goes :
> On Tue, Oct 2, 2012 at 6:19 AM, Birol Bora <bora....@gmail.com> wrote:
> I try small project with mySQL .
> MySQL is not SQL-92 compatible, > MySQL with ADF incompatible. > MySQL doesn't support sequence generator,
> I think MySQL is supported only JDBC level, not ADF BC level.
> 2012/10/2 Evert-Jan de Bruin <ever...@debruinconsultancy.nl>
> Hi all,
> I read the news about ADF Essentials on my mobile phone while in bed... had some trouble getting asleep of the excitement! I just switched jobs to work for a small foundation (with limited budget) so ADF seemed miles away... now it is no longer.
> However, how is support for MySQL?
> Now that ADF is becoming an option for the small businesses and foundations alike, the support for MySQL becomes much more important. I can imagine many developers being interested in a Linux - Glassfish - MySQL - ADF Essentials (LGMA) setup. Officially, MySQL 5.1 is "certified" with JDev and "supported" with ADF (see http://www.oracle.com/technetwork/developer-tools/jdev/jdev11gr2-cert...). One can even find a few installation guides and how-to blogs on the internet on ADF & MySQL but there it pretty much seems to end.
> However, I ran my own little sample project and stumbled upon the fact that ADF does not seem to know how to handle the TIMESTAMP column type (it cannot read the data when the viewobject tries to execute the SQL!). This made me wonder how "supported" MySQL really is.
> The question is therefore: Does anyone have any experiences and best-practices with MySQL in combination with ADF?
> Right now the choice is between MySQL and Oracle XE as the two "free" options. However, I don't like the restrictions on XE, so I'd prefer MySQL if possible at all.
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No, no reason It just needs to be fully developed, tested and documented. My version of the typemap is currently incomplete, I only implemented the stuff that we actually needed for that project and I'm sure with MySQL there is a bunch more that I've not covered. It's on the eternal to-do list
Duncan On Nov 15, 2012, at 2:54 PM, Jan Vervecken wrote:
> If such a MySQL type map is currently not in JDeveloper, any specific reason why it could not become part of JDeveloper by default?
> thanks
> Jan Vervecken
> On Wednesday, November 14, 2012 6:48:04 PM UTC+1, Duncan Mills wrote:
> Running with MySQL is certainly possible, in fact I happen to know that at least one shipping Oracle Product uses this exact combination. > The secret here is to produce a customized mapping file (The data type map you see when you first configure ADFBC in a project) which will map the JDBC datatypes that you get from your SQL source to the types / domains that you have in ADFBC. > This should allow the framework to automatically handle the conversions for you. > Unfortunately although you can plug in your own type map, the methodology for doing so is not actually documented. > This is on my long list of blog-articles-I-need-to-write
> Duncan
> On Mon, Nov 12, 2012 at 3:21 PM, Erdenebayar Erdenebileg <erdenebayar...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hello,
> Very late reply for that discussion. But i need to share MySQL and ADF development things.
> I think, MySQL is compatible with ADF development. Because we developed, implemented ADF (11.1.1.4.0) with MySQL.
> For the sequence id generation, we are using following methods:
> protected void create(AttributeList attributeList) {
> super.create(attributeList);
> setId(InteractiveUIDGeneration.getUID());
> }
> On Wed, Oct 3, 2012 at 12:32 AM, Jeevan G Joseph <jeev...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Getting MySQL to work should be possible, I've tried SQL Server, and have had reasonable success with small scale projects and POCs.
> I see the point of Primary key generation raised in the thread, and did not see a reference to this document, so here goes :
> On Tue, Oct 2, 2012 at 6:19 AM, Birol Bora <bora....@gmail.com> wrote:
> I try small project with mySQL .
> MySQL is not SQL-92 compatible, > MySQL with ADF incompatible. > MySQL doesn't support sequence generator,
> I think MySQL is supported only JDBC level, not ADF BC level.
> 2012/10/2 Evert-Jan de Bruin <ever...@debruinconsultancy.nl>
> Hi all,
> I read the news about ADF Essentials on my mobile phone while in bed... had some trouble getting asleep of the excitement! I just switched jobs to work for a small foundation (with limited budget) so ADF seemed miles away... now it is no longer.
> However, how is support for MySQL?
> Now that ADF is becoming an option for the small businesses and foundations alike, the support for MySQL becomes much more important. I can imagine many developers being interested in a Linux - Glassfish - MySQL - ADF Essentials (LGMA) setup. Officially, MySQL 5.1 is "certified" with JDev and "supported" with ADF (see http://www.oracle.com/technetwork/developer-tools/jdev/jdev11gr2-cert...). One can even find a few installation guides and how-to blogs on the internet on ADF & MySQL but there it pretty much seems to end.
> However, I ran my own little sample project and stumbled upon the fact that ADF does not seem to know how to handle the TIMESTAMP column type (it cannot read the data when the viewobject tries to execute the SQL!). This made me wonder how "supported" MySQL really is.
> The question is therefore: Does anyone have any experiences and best-practices with MySQL in combination with ADF?
> Right now the choice is between MySQL and Oracle XE as the two "free" options. However, I don't like the restrictions on XE, so I'd prefer MySQL if possible at all.
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