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Jan Vervecken  
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 More options Sep 13 2012, 9:52 am
From: Jan Vervecken <verv...@gmail.com>
Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2012 06:52:56 -0700 (PDT)
Local: Thurs, Sep 13 2012 9:52 am
Subject: help to speed up out-of-the-box redeployment in JDeveloper

hi

It seems likely that many JDeveloper users would prefer to have redeploys
work fast out-of-the-box without having to apply workarounds.

For this, Oracle has bug/ER 12796317, "SPEED UP ADF BC REDEPLOYMENT BY
CALLING FORCED SHUTDOWN OF WLS DATASOURCE", filed.
Find more details at http://java.net/jira/browse/ADFEMG-49

Workarounds can be applied, but this is about improving the out-of-the-box
behaviour.
Not sure if it will make a difference, but if you leave a comment in JIRA
issue ADFEMG-49 maybe the number of responses can help get this fixed.

many thanks
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 More options Sep 30 2012, 10:44 am
From: Jan Vervecken <verv...@gmail.com>
Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2012 07:44:58 -0700 (PDT)
Local: Sun, Sep 30 2012 10:44 am
Subject: Re: help to speed up out-of-the-box redeployment in JDeveloper

hi

Given the lack of response, the idea that many JDeveloper users would
prefer to have redeploys work fast out-of-the-box, could be wrong.

It makes me wonder about how easily it is considered normal to have to
apply workarounds, instead of expecting things to work better
out-of-the-box.

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Florin Marcus  
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 More options Sep 30 2012, 11:34 am
From: Florin Marcus <florin.mar...@gmail.com>
Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2012 16:34:07 +0100
Local: Sun, Sep 30 2012 11:34 am
Subject: Re: [ADF EMG] Re: help to speed up out-of-the-box redeployment in JDeveloper

Hi Jan,

As a JDeveloper user, if I were to choose between a fast and a slow
redeployment, I would choose a third option: no redeployment.
We were using for some time WLS Fast Swap, but we are currently evaluating
JRebel and after one week of using it, it looks good, so far.
I was able to create new view objects, drop them into pages as ADF
components, compile and refresh the page, without restarting the
application.
I must say that the compilation tends to become slower after some time.

Thanks,

Florin Marcus
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 More options Sep 30 2012, 12:37 pm
From: Jan Vervecken <verv...@gmail.com>
Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2012 09:37:35 -0700 (PDT)
Local: Sun, Sep 30 2012 12:37 pm
Subject: Re: [ADF EMG] Re: help to speed up out-of-the-box redeployment in JDeveloper

Thanks for your reply Florin Marcus.

Thank you for suggesting another potential workaround to try to improve
some of the out-of-the-box behaviour.

regards
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 More options Sep 30 2012, 12:40 pm
From: Mark Robinson <m...@mrobinson.ca>
Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2012 09:40:05 -0700
Local: Sun, Sep 30 2012 12:40 pm
Subject: Re: [ADF EMG] Re: help to speed up out-of-the-box redeployment in JDeveloper

I'll agree with the suggestion of JRebel.  It supports a lot of changes
that would cause JDeveloper/WLS to choke.

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 More options Sep 30 2012, 1:42 pm
From: Andrejus Baranovskis <andrejus.baranovs...@gmail.com>
Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2012 20:42:02 +0300
Local: Sun, Sep 30 2012 1:42 pm
Subject: Re: [ADF EMG] Re: help to speed up out-of-the-box redeployment in JDeveloper

Hi Jan,

To use JRebel is not a *workaround* :) I would call it rather another
approach of building ADF applications.

Andrejus

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 More options Sep 30 2012, 2:46 pm
From: Jan Vervecken <verv...@gmail.com>
Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2012 11:46:04 -0700 (PDT)
Local: Sun, Sep 30 2012 2:46 pm
Subject: Re: [ADF EMG] Re: help to speed up out-of-the-box redeployment in JDeveloper

Thanks for your reply Andrejus.

Indeed "another approach", but not out-of-the-box.

regards
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 More options Sep 30 2012, 3:43 pm
From: Shay Shmeltzer <shay.shmelt...@oracle.com>
Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2012 12:43:39 -0700
Local: Sun, Sep 30 2012 3:43 pm
Subject: Re: [ADF EMG] Re: help to speed up out-of-the-box redeployment in JDeveloper

In the 11.1.2.* versions we now support hot-swap for ADF applications,
which means that you can save-compile-reload in browser for most of your
changes without the need for a redeployment.

One thing I'm wondering is whether people are using this new capability,
and whether they find it useful as a way to reduce re-deployments?

Shay

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 More options Sep 30 2012, 4:28 pm
From: Florin Marcus <florin.mar...@gmail.com>
Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2012 21:27:57 +0100
Local: Sun, Sep 30 2012 4:27 pm
Subject: Re: [ADF EMG] Re: help to speed up out-of-the-box redeployment in JDeveloper

WLS Hot-Swap is definitely a good way of increasing  productivity. This is
more obvious in the final phases of a project, when the team focuses more
on bug fixing and small improvements. In these phases, developers tend to
redeploy more often and redeployments are taking longer because the
application is fully featured by now . This is not limited to java files,
but can be used with page definitions as well.
It is worth mentioning though, class reloading is working as long as the
class signature is not changed.

Regards,

Florin Marcus
www.redsamuraiconsulting.com

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 More options Sep 30 2012, 4:03 pm
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Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2012 13:03:08 -0700
Local: Sun, Sep 30 2012 4:03 pm
Subject: Re: [ADF EMG] Re: help to speed up out-of-the-box redeployment in JDeveloper

Shay I think you are referring reloading to jspx, jsp pages only and not
the java files ?

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 More options Oct 1 2012, 10:34 am
From: hasim <hsai...@gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2012 09:23:40 -0500
Local: Mon, Oct 1 2012 10:23 am
Subject: Re: [ADF EMG] Re: help to speed up out-of-the-box redeployment in JDeveloper

I would appreciate , If Andrejus or Florin can post the instruction on how
to configure Jrebel on Jdeveeloper.
It seems companies has to be buy license.

Thanks, Hasim

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Florin Marcus  
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 More options Oct 1 2012, 11:08 am
From: Florin Marcus <florin.mar...@gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2012 16:08:14 +0100
Local: Mon, Oct 1 2012 11:08 am
Subject: Re: [ADF EMG] Re: help to speed up out-of-the-box redeployment in JDeveloper

Hi Hasim,

To configure JRebel with your JDeveloper workpace, you will need to
manually create  rebel.xml file. You may find more details here:
http://zeroturnaround.com/software/jrebel/how-to-configure-rebel-xml

Additionally, your JVM running  Integrated WLS should use the following
configuration:
-noverify -javaagent:C:/jrebel/jrebel.jar -Drebel.adf_core_plugin=true
-Drebel.adf_faces_plugin=true

Also, Hot Swap must be turned off when using JRebel.

Regards,

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Jan Vervecken  
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 More options Oct 1 2012, 2:16 pm
From: Jan Vervecken <verv...@gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2012 11:16:56 -0700 (PDT)
Local: Mon, Oct 1 2012 2:16 pm
Subject: Re: [ADF EMG] Re: help to speed up out-of-the-box redeployment in JDeveloper

Thanks for your reply Shay.

The Fast Swap feature, I have not been using it because I don't feel
comfortable with the "most of your changes" aspect.

(Note that this discussion was started about speeding up out-of-the-box
redeployment in JDeveloper.)

Some related resources:
- discussion "Jdev 11.1.2.0.0 & Hot Swap",
mentions "... it appears for a large app like ours that Fast Swap is D.O.A
..."
at https://groups.google.com/d/topic/adf-methodology/FLa-3aGDYB8/discussion
- by Lucas Jellema, "Hot reloading with JDeveloper 11gR2 – ADF Bindings,
ADF BC, JSF/ADF Taskflow Navigation Cases"
mentions "... Am I trying to hot reload the wrong kind of changes? ..."
at
http://technology.amis.nl/2011/06/07/hot-reloading-with-jdeveloper-11...
- document "Oracle JDeveloper and Application Development Framework (ADF)
11g Release 2 Update 1 (11.1.2.1.0)"
has a section "WLS Hot Reload" mentioning some limitations
at
http://www.oracle.com/technetwork/developer-tools/jdev/5rn-shermanu1-...
- documentation search result : Your search term "Fast Swap" did not match
any topics.
at http://www.oracle.com/pls/as111230/search?word=%22Fast+Swap%22&partno=
and at http://www.oracle.com/pls/as111220/search?word=%22Fast+Swap%22
and at http://www.oracle.com/pls/as111210/search?word=%22Fast+Swap%22

regards
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 More options Oct 1 2012, 2:28 pm
From: Chad Thompson <chad_thomp...@mac.com>
Date: Mon, 01 Oct 2012 13:28:27 -0500
Local: Mon, Oct 1 2012 2:28 pm
Subject: Re: [ADF EMG] help to speed up out-of-the-box redeployment in JDeveloper

On Sep 30, 2012, at 9:44 AM, Jan Vervecken <verv...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Given the lack of response, the idea that many JDeveloper users would prefer to have redeploys work fast out-of-the-box, could be wrong.

> It makes me wonder about how easily it is considered normal to have to apply workarounds, instead of expecting things to work better out-of-the-box.

A couple 'cheats' for speeding up deployment/development:

1)  One is actually not a redeployment issue - but a structural one.  If you have Java classes / domain objects that can be 'separated' for testing, you can speed your development by using Test Driven Development techniques.

2)  WebLogic startup/shutdown can be rather I/O heavy - so… a way to speed up WebLogic startups is to speed up I/O.  I installed a dual SSD/HDD in my MacBook Pro recently - my WebLogic startup times are running from between 10-20 seconds, much better than the restart speeds that I had with the original 5200-rpm stock hard drive in the machine.

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hasim  
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 More options Oct 1 2012, 11:19 am
From: hasim <hsai...@gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2012 10:19:11 -0500
Local: Mon, Oct 1 2012 11:19 am
Subject: Re: [ADF EMG] Re: help to speed up out-of-the-box redeployment in JDeveloper

Sounds Good !, I have to try with Jdeveloper Studio Edition Version
11.1.1.4.0.

Thanks, Hasim

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Renan Monteiro de Castro  
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 More options Oct 10 2012, 9:25 pm
From: Renan Monteiro de Castro <renan.mcastr...@gmail.com>
Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2012 22:25:51 -0300
Local: Wed, Oct 10 2012 9:25 pm
Subject: Re: [ADF EMG] Re: help to speed up out-of-the-box redeployment in JDeveloper

Recently, I was experimenting weblogic startup times with different JDK's
and found out that the best time I was able
to reach was around 30 seconds (Core i7 + 4GB) with JDK 1.6.35.
Do you guys get better times? Just for the server instance...

And a note about hot-swap, it does not work with 64-bit JVM's...

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Antonis Antoniou  
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 More options Oct 11 2012, 1:09 am
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Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2012 08:09:55 +0300
Local: Thurs, Oct 11 2012 1:09 am
Subject: RE: [ADF EMG] Re: help to speed up out-of-the-box redeployment in JDeveloper

Hi Renan,

As of Weblogic 10.3, a new startup option has been introduced called
“skipWLSModule” scanning. By default, on startup, WLST scans the
weblogic.jar and all of the classes referenced in its manifest classpath.
With this option, files in the modules directory are not scanned. If you
need them, you can manually add them to the classpath.

Another trick is to define a cache directory for scanned files. When WLST
initializes, it scans all the jar files and writes the information to files
in directory called the cachedir. So to reduce WLST startup time, define a
cache directory for WLST to use.

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*From:* adf-methodology@googlegroups.com [mailto:
adf-methodology@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Renan Monteiro de Castro
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*To:* adf-methodology@googlegroups.com
*Subject:* Re: [ADF EMG] Re: help to speed up out-of-the-box redeployment
in JDeveloper

Recently, I was experimenting weblogic startup times with different JDK's
and found out that the best time I was able

to reach was around 30 seconds (Core i7 + 4GB) with JDK 1.6.35.

Do you guys get better times? Just for the server instance...

And a note about hot-swap, it does not work with 64-bit JVM's...

On Mon, Oct 1, 2012 at 12:19 PM, hasim <hsai...@gmail.com> wrote:

Sounds Good !, I have to try with Jdeveloper Studio Edition Version
11.1.1.4.0.

Thanks, Hasim

On Mon, Oct 1, 2012 at 10:08 AM, Florin Marcus <florin.mar...@gmail.com>
wrote:

Hi Hasim,

To configure JRebel with your JDeveloper workpace, you will need to
manually create  rebel.xml file. You may find more details here:
http://zeroturnaround.com/software/jrebel/how-to-configure-rebel-xml

Additionally, your JVM running  Integrated WLS should use the following
configuration:

-noverify -javaagent:C:/jrebel/jrebel.jar -Drebel.adf_core_plugin=true
-Drebel.adf_faces_plugin=true

Also, Hot Swap must be turned off when using JRebel.

Regards,

Florin Marcus

www.redsamuraiconsulting.com

On Mon, Oct 1, 2012 at 3:23 PM, hasim <hsai...@gmail.com> wrote:

I would appreciate , If Andrejus or Florin can post the instruction on how
to configure Jrebel on Jdeveeloper.
It seems companies has to be buy license.

Thanks, Hasim

On Sun, Sep 30, 2012 at 3:27 PM, Florin Marcus <florin.mar...@gmail.com>
wrote:

WLS Hot-Swap is definitely a good way of increasing  productivity. This is
more obvious in the final phases of a project, when the team focuses more
on bug fixing and small improvements. In these phases, developers tend to
redeploy more often and redeployments are taking longer because the
application is fully featured by now . This is not limited to java files,
but can be used with page definitions as well.

It is worth mentioning though, class reloading is working as long as the
class signature is not changed.

Regards,

Florin Marcus

www.redsamuraiconsulting.com

On Sun, Sep 30, 2012 at 8:43 PM, Shay Shmeltzer <shay.shmelt...@oracle.com>
wrote:

In the 11.1.2.* versions we now support hot-swap for ADF applications,
which means that you can save-compile-reload in browser for most of your
changes without the need for a redeployment.

One thing I'm wondering is whether people are using this new capability,
and whether they find it useful as a way to reduce re-deployments?

Shay

On 9/30/12 11:46 AM, Jan Vervecken wrote:

Thanks for your reply Andrejus.

Indeed "another approach", but not out-of-the-box.

regards
Jan Vervecken

On Sunday, September 30, 2012 7:42:04 PM UTC+2, Andrejus Baranovskis wrote:

Hi Jan,

To use JRebel is not a *workaround* :) I would call it rather another
approach of building ADF applications.

Andrejus

On 30 September 2012 19:37, Jan Vervecken <ver...@gmail.com> wrote:

Thanks for your reply Florin Marcus.

Thank you for suggesting another potential workaround to try to improve
some of the out-of-the-box behaviour.

regards
Jan Vervecken

On Sunday, September 30, 2012 5:34:09 PM UTC+2, Florin Marcus wrote:

Hi Jan,

As a JDeveloper user, if I were to choose between a fast and a slow
redeployment, I would choose a third option: no redeployment.

We were using for some time WLS Fast Swap, but we are currently evaluating
JRebel and after one week of using it, it looks good, so far.

I was able to create new view objects, drop them into pages as ADF
components, compile and refresh the page, without restarting the
application.

I must say that the compilation tends to become slower after some time.

Thanks,

Florin Marcus

www.redsamuraiconsulting.com

On Sun, Sep 30, 2012 at 3:44 PM, Jan Vervecken <ver...@gmail.com> wrote:

hi

Given the lack of response, the idea that many JDeveloper users would
prefer to have redeploys work fast out-of-the-box, could be wrong.

It makes me wonder about how easily it is considered normal to have to
apply workarounds, instead of expecting things to work better
out-of-the-box.

regards
Jan Vervecken

On Thursday, September 13, 2012 3:52:56 PM UTC+2, Jan Vervecken wrote:

hi

It seems likely that many JDeveloper users would prefer to have redeploys
work fast out-of-the-box without having to apply workarounds.

For this, Oracle has bug/ER 12796317, "SPEED UP ADF BC REDEPLOYMENT BY
CALLING FORCED SHUTDOWN OF WLS DATASOURCE", filed.
Find more details at http://java.net/jira/browse/ADFEMG-49

Workarounds can be applied, but this is about improving the out-of-the-box
behaviour.
Not sure if it will make a difference, but if you leave a comment in JIRA
issue ADFEMG-49 maybe the number of responses can help get this fixed.

many thanks
Jan Vervecken

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