ADF Mobile is Gold

[Chris Muir]

The timezone has worked against the EMG this time and unfortunately we didn't get the scoop on ADF Mobile (I gotta sleep sometime ;-)

If you haven't already caught the buzz in the twittersphere and blogosphere, ADF Mobile was made generally available on Monday evening (yesterday for me, today for our US colleagues).

I'll save myself repeating the same links, but to refer you to Dana Singleterry's blog which has a nice summary of links to the announcement and where you can get started.

If you ever needed a reason to put a purchase order for a Mac in front of your boss, you wont get a better reason than this.

Happy ADFMobiling.

CM.

[Bijesh Krishnadas]

That looks very promising - expect for the apps using an iOS layout.
Any news on the grapevine about supporting Android's Holo theme/layout
OOTB?

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[Vinay Kumar]

One thing i am not sure about it.There is already one framework calling phone gap which also developed multi platform apps using html 5 and jquery.. Than what is top advantage of using ADF mobile over phone gap.????

I know it is good for ADF developer.we can reuse our ADF knowledge.But for a company who want to develop an mobile app , for them both are equal.. I want to ask is there any edge over using ADF mobile over phone gap.

??

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[Vaibhav Rastogi]

Oracle ADF Mobile is based on Phone Gap. PhoneGap libraries are included in the container to support device services integration

[Joe Huang]

There are a ton of advantages of using ADF Mobile over just plain PG

 

·         For starters, ADF Mobiles embeds PhoneGap in the framework, so for starters you already get PhoneGap with ADF Mobile.

·         ADF Mobile delivers a set of Oracle-developed HTML 5 component set that’s completely optimized for mobile.  If you worked with JQuery component before, you know it’s great for desktop browsers but not optimized for web engines in the mobile devices.   We initially looked at JQuery/jQueryMobile but they were just not up to our performance requirement.

·         Business logic is delivered through an embedded light-weight headless JavaVM.  If you are doing straight PG+JQMobile, you either have to code your business logic in native code or in JavaScript.  With ADF Mobile, you use Java.

·         An Encrypted SQLite DB engine is embedded in the framework.  With PG+JQMobile, you have to find a way to encrypted DB yourself.

·         Out of box integration with Oracle Identity Management

·         Integrated development experience in JDeveloper

·         Same development paradigm as developing any other ADF app

·         Etc.

 

Some of these advantages like JavaVM can only be delivered by Oracle. 

 

If there are specific features you are looking for, please feel free to contact me directly.

 

Thanks,

 

Joe Huang

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[Vaibhav Rastogi]

I have another question here. ADF Mobile is based on "Apache Trinidad JavaServer Faces (JSF)". How will it fit with ADF bc applications as back end?

[Sudhir Koneru]

Hi Chris & Oracle team,

Thank you.. I am excited to try the oracle ADF Mobile.

Can you please shed some light on the pricing and licensing policy?

Regards,

Sudhir Koneru

[Chris Muir]

Thanks for your comment Sudhir.

Please see the FAQ: http://www.oracle.com/technetwork/developer-tools/adf/learnmore/adfmobilefaq-1866697.pdf

[Vinay Kumar]

Ok.that is what i am thinking.Than ADF mobile licence is cheaper or costlier than phonegap.???

Let see..

[Shay Shmeltzer]

Vaibha,

ADF Mobile is not based on Trinidad components - it has its own set of components (AMX components).
ADF Mobile Browser - which is basically JSF pages that adapt to mobile devices is based on Trinidad (and have been for years - that's not the new stuff).
You can embed ADF Mobile Browser pages in a new ADF Mobile app using the remote URL type of feature.

Both solution work great with an ADF BC based backend see:
For the new ADF Mobile: Developing with Oracle ADF Mobile and ADF Business Components Backend
For the ADF Mobile Browser: Building iPhone Interfaces for Oracle E-Business Suite

Shay

On 10/22/2012 11:50 PM, Vaibhav Rastogi wrote:

I have another question here. ADF Mobile is based on "Apache Trinidad JavaServer Faces (JSF)". How will it fit with ADF bc applications as back end?

On Tue, Oct 23, 2012 at 12:05 PM, Joe Huang <JOE....@oracle.com> wrote:

There are a ton of advantages of using ADF Mobile over just plain PG

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��������� For starters, ADF Mobiles embeds PhoneGap in the framework, so for starters you already get PhoneGap with ADF Mobile.

��������� ADF Mobile delivers a set of Oracle-developed HTML 5 component set that�s completely optimized for mobile.� If you worked with JQuery component before, you know it�s great for desktop browsers but not optimized for web engines in the mobile devices.�� We initially looked at JQuery/jQueryMobile but they were just not up to our performance requirement.

��������� Business logic is delivered through an embedded light-weight headless JavaVM.� If you are doing straight PG+JQMobile, you either have to code your business logic in native code or in JavaScript.� With ADF Mobile, you use Java.

��������� An Encrypted SQLite DB engine is embedded in the framework.� With PG+JQMobile, you have to find a way to encrypted DB yourself.

��������� Out of box integration with Oracle Identity Management

��������� Integrated development experience in JDeveloper

��������� Same development paradigm as developing any other ADF app

��������� Etc.

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Some of these advantages like JavaVM can only be delivered by Oracle.�

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If there are specific features you are looking for, please feel free to contact me directly.

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Thanks,

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Senior Principal Product Manager

Mobile Application Development Framework

Oracle Application Development Tools

ORACLE

650-506-2271 (Office)

510-282-0369 (Mobile)

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Oracle ADF Mobile is based on Phone Gap. PhoneGap libraries are included in the container to support device services integration

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On Tue, Oct 23, 2012 at 11:24 AM, Vinay Kumar <mail2v...@gmail.com> wrote:

One thing i am not sure about it.There is already one framework calling phone gap which also developed multi platform apps using html 5 and jquery.. Than what is top advantage of using ADF mobile over phone gap.????

I know it is good for ADF developer.we can reuse our ADF knowledge.But for a company who want to develop an mobile app , for them both are equal.. I want to ask is there any edge over using ADF mobile over phone gap.

??

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[Chad Thompson]

On Oct 23, 2012, at 1:36 AM, Vinay Kumar <mail2v...@gmail.com> wrote:

Ok.that is what i am thinking.Than ADF mobile licence is cheaper or costlier than phonegap.???

Let see..

Well, the license for PhoneGap/Cordova will be less if you're starting from zero because PhoneGap is licensed under the Apache License, a free open-source license.  

According to the FAQ, however, ADF Mobile appears to be included with ADF licenses - and products (WebLogic server) that have an ADF license as part of the package.  If you're already an ADF customer, then you're covered.

The additional costs you'll incur that are separate from licensing is (if you're targeting iOS) is an Apple Developer account ($100/yr for iOS developers) that allows you to deploy to devices, along with any additional costs for purchasing hardware to support iOS development.  (You'll still need Xcode, emulators, etc.)

- Chad

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[Chris Muir]

In addition to Chad's comments, note our licensing model comes with
support built in, for Phonegap you will have to purchase that
separately. If you don't want support that is fine, but the Oracle
licensing model is support driven.

Of course comparing Phonegap to ADF Mobile is comparing apples to
oranges as Phonegap is but one part of our solution.

CM.

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[Stephen Johnson]

Question: If you're developing solely for Android, and not for iOS, can you
do it on Windows? Is a Mac only required for iOS development?

Stephen Johnson
Manager, Systems Architecture
Integretas, Inc.

[Chad Thompson]

On Oct 23, 2012, at 8:35 AM, Stephen Johnson <sjoh...@integretasinc.com> wrote:

Question: If you're developing solely for Android, and not for iOS, can you
do it on Windows?  Is a Mac only required for iOS development?

You can.  The Android dev kits are based on Eclipse, and are free for use.  

http://developer.android.com/sdk/index.html

Apple's tools are 'free' as well, but you do need to be running OS X in order to run the Xcode dev environment, the iPhone emulators, etc. - then sign up for the dev program to get a key for deploying to actual devices.

[Shay Shmeltzer]

You only need a Mac if you want to compile package for iPhone.

I'm happily building ADF Mobile apps on Windows machine and deploying to
Android.
One caveat to note is that the Android emulator provided by google is
verrrrry slow - so I just deploy directly to my Android devices to do
the testing/debugging.
See a demo here:
https://blogs.oracle.com/shay/entry/developing_with_oracle_adf_mobile

Shay

[Brian Huff]

Awesome news! Great job ADF Mobile team!!!

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You will need an Apple iOS dev license to deploy to the iPhone or iPad
itself. You can only compile and emulate using Xcode.


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[hasim]

I am little curious about ADF Mobile integration with Webcenter Content. Will ADF Mobile allow us to integrated
to Webcenter Content and Display content information on IPAD.

Thanks,Hasim

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[Brian Huff]

WebCenter content 12c has it's own iPad interface. If you want to build a separate one, you can just consume the WebCenter Content services from ADF mobile. Just pass IsJson=1 into any Content URL and you'll get back a data dump that you can parse in Java. I wrote a jQuery interface here to demonstrate this kind of integration:

http://bexhuff.com/2010/06/oracle-ucm-jquery-plugin-for-ajax

Should make it clear what needs to be done to integrate with ADF Mobile...I'll probably write another integration layer specific to ADF Mobile eventually...

[Stephen Johnson]

Wow!  You weren’t kidding about that emulator.  Maybe I’ll need to go buy a cheap android device.

 

Stephen Johnson

Manager, Systems Architecture

Integretas, Inc.

 

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[Ultan Ó Broin (Oracle Applications User Experience]

Super job ADF Mobile team! Trumps anything trending about iPad-Minis etc.!

(dying to know if anyone's gonna try the UX patterns optimized and show us a few results: http://www.oracle.com/technetwork/topics/ux/applications/gps-1601227.html)


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[Brian Huff]

That's my next action item... once I find some free time. HA!

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[Chris Muir]

And for anybody who is interested, Stephen and Brian recorded an ADF EMG
podcast interview at OOW, while just a tad out of date post the release,
I think makes excellent listening.

Check out episode 6: http://adfemgpodcast.wordpress.com/

CM.

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[Joe Huang]

http://docs.oracle.com/cd/E35521_01/apirefs.111230/e27204/oracle/adfmf/framework/api/AdfmfContainerUtilities.html#invokeContainerMethod_java_lang_String__java_lang_String__java_lang_Object___

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From: lakamsani [mailto:laka...@gmail.com]
Sent: Saturday, November 03, 2012 8:09 AM
To: adf-met...@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [ADF EMG] ADF Mobile is Gold

 

Have you guys considered doing a direct Java to native API mapping in ADF mobile? Similar to what is done in Titanium (they map JavaScript to native APIs). See this blog for the trade-offs between the PhoneGap approach and the Titanium approach. 

[Joe Huang]

Hi, the link is no longer active since it was a demo for the old ADF Mobile browser/Trinidad demos.  We will upgrade it and add the ADF Mobile demos in the coming weeks.

 

There is a component demo for the new ADF Mobile, though, that’s hosted on line.  Link is on the ADF Mobile OTN landing page.

 

Thanks,

 

Joe Huang

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From: lakamsani [mailto:laka...@gmail.com]
Sent: Saturday, November 03, 2012 8:14 AM
To: adf-met...@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [ADF EMG] ADF Mobile is Gold

 

Also, your Demos link below your signature does not seem to work from an iPhone. http://stshld.oracle.com:8888/demo

On Monday, October 22, 2012 11:36:05 PM UTC-7, JoeHuang_ADFMobile wrote:

[Sudipto Desmukh]

Great Job  Joe and The ADF Mobile Team.

I have some clarification needed here - I had assumed or maybe misread that the same ADF Mobile Application can be deployed to an android as well as iOS device , but after foillowing this discussion looks like we need an Mac to actually develop a deployable iOS application - is that right ?

[Shay Shmeltzer]

You do build one application that deploys to both iOS and Android.
You don't need a mac to develop an application for iOS - you can use your windows machine.

However - at the stage where you need to deploy your application to iOS and create the packaged application you need XCode - which is only available on Mac.
So you will need a Mac for the deployment step, this is not because of Oracle, but rather because of how� Apple built their eco-system.

Shay

On 11/8/2012 10:35 AM, Sudipto Desmukh wrote:

Great Job �Joe and The ADF Mobile Team.

I have some clarification needed here - I had assumed or maybe misread that the same ADF Mobile Application can be deployed to an android as well as iOS device , but after foillowing this discussion looks like we need an Mac to actually develop a deployable iOS application - is that right ?

On Mon, Nov 5, 2012 at 8:52 PM, Joe Huang <JOE....@oracle.com> wrote:

Hi, the link is no longer active since it was a demo for the old ADF Mobile browser/Trinidad demos.� We will upgrade it and add the ADF Mobile demos in the coming weeks.

�

There is a component demo for the new ADF Mobile, though, that�s hosted on line.� Link is on the ADF Mobile OTN landing page.

�

Thanks,

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Senior Principal Product Manager

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From: lakamsani [mailto:laka...@gmail.com]
Sent: Saturday, November 03, 2012 8:14 AM
To: adf-met...@googlegroups.com

Subject: Re: [ADF EMG] ADF Mobile is Gold

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Also, your Demos link below your signature does not seem to work from an iPhone.�http://stshld.oracle.com:8888/demo

On Monday, October 22, 2012 11:36:05 PM UTC-7, JoeHuang_ADFMobile wrote:

There are a ton of advantages of using ADF Mobile over just plain PG

�

��������� For starters, ADF Mobiles embeds PhoneGap in the framework, so for starters you already get PhoneGap with ADF Mobile.

��������� ADF Mobile delivers a set of Oracle-developed HTML 5 component set that�s completely optimized for mobile.� If you worked with JQuery component before, you know it�s great for desktop browsers but not optimized for web engines in the mobile devices.�� We initially looked at JQuery/jQueryMobile but they were just not up to our performance requirement.

��������� Business logic is delivered through an embedded light-weight headless JavaVM.� If you are doing straight PG+JQMobile, you either have to code your business logic in native code or in JavaScript.� With ADF Mobile, you use Java.

��������� An Encrypted SQLite DB engine is embedded in the framework.� With PG+JQMobile, you have to find a way to encrypted DB yourself.

��������� Out of box integration with Oracle Identity Management

��������� Integrated development experience in JDeveloper

��������� Same development paradigm as developing any other ADF app

��������� Etc.

�

Some of these advantages like JavaVM can only be delivered by Oracle.�

�

If there are specific features you are looking for, please feel free to contact me directly.

�

Thanks,

�

Joe Huang

Senior Principal Product Manager

Mobile Application Development Framework

Oracle Application Development Tools

ORACLE

650-506-2271 (Office)

510-282-0369 (Mobile)

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Check Oracle MEAP, Blogs (for latest updates), and Demos (Hint: open on your mobile phone)

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From: Vaibhav Rastogi [mailto:vaibh...@gmail.com]
Sent: Monday, October 22, 2012 11:21 PM
To: adf-met...@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [ADF EMG] ADF Mobile is Gold

�

Oracle ADF Mobile is based on Phone Gap. PhoneGap libraries are included in the container to support device services integration

�

On Tue, Oct 23, 2012 at 11:24 AM, Vinay Kumar <mail2v...@gmail.com> wrote:

One thing i am not sure about it.There is already one framework calling phone gap which also developed multi platform apps using html 5 and jquery.. Than what is top advantage of using ADF mobile over phone gap.????

I know it is good for ADF developer.we can reuse our ADF knowledge.But for a company who want to develop an mobile app , for them both are equal.. I want to ask is there any edge over using ADF mobile over phone gap.

??

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[Chad Thompson]

On Nov 8, 2012, at 5:23 PM, Shay Shmeltzer <shay.sh...@oracle.com> wrote:

You do build one application that deploys to both iOS and Android.
You don't need a mac to develop an application for iOS - you can use your windows machine.

However - at the stage where you need to deploy your application to iOS and create the packaged application you need XCode - which is only available on Mac.

So you will need a Mac for the deployment step, this is not because of Oracle, but rather because of how  Apple built their eco-system.

… and don't forget that to test/deploy on devices (and eventually through the App Store) you'll also need to sign up for the iOS Developer program.

https://developer.apple.com/programs/ios/

(It's $99 per year if you are developing for the 'public', and there is an iOS Enterprise Developer program for creating corporate / in-house applications for deploying onto iOS devices.)

[Sudipto Desmukh]

Got it . Thanks Shay / Chad !

Regards

Sudipto Desmukh

Snr Software Engineer (FMW) , Keste (India)

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