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Dave  
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From: Dave <dvdwe...@gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2012 02:37:39 -0700 (PDT)
Local: Mon, Sep 24 2012 5:37 am
Subject: Oracle ADF Essentials

Wow... Exciting news.
http://www.oracle.com/technetwork/developer-tools/adf/overview/adfess...

At first glance that is a great set of features.
http://www.oracle.com/technetwork/developer-tools/adf/overview/adfess...

Looking forward to hearing more. Especially before regard the road map
forward.

I was about to start to scope a project requiring glassfish and was
thinking of using Prime or ICE faces. Hope be using ADF now !


 
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Sveinn Halldór Oddsson Zoëga  
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From: Sveinn Halldór Oddsson Zoëga <svei...@gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2012 12:34:02 +0000
Local: Mon, Sep 24 2012 8:34 am
Subject: Re: [ADF EMG] Oracle ADF Essentials
Great news.

Now ADF adoption is possible for smaller users which are not big
enough to have the budget for Weblogic Server.


 
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Chad Thompson  
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From: Chad Thompson <chad_thomp...@mac.com>
Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2012 08:09:03 -0500
Local: Mon, Sep 24 2012 9:09 am
Subject: Re: [ADF EMG] Oracle ADF Essentials

On Sep 24, 2012, at 7:34 AM, Sveinn Halldór Oddsson Zoëga <svei...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Great news.

> Now ADF adoption is possible for smaller users which are not big
> enough to have the budget for Weblogic Server.

Right - the express support for GlassFish will also help crack the "other" nut of promoting ADF as a framework suitable for general Java/JEE development and not an Oracle-specific UI technology…

Big thanks to the Oracle team!

- Chad

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Stephen Johnson  
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From: "Stephen Johnson" <sjohn...@integretasinc.com>
Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2012 09:11:42 -0400
Local: Mon, Sep 24 2012 9:11 am
Subject: RE: [ADF EMG] Oracle ADF Essentials

The news made it out in time for me to include it in this week’s podcast.

Stephen Johnson

Manager, Systems Architecture

Integretas, Inc.

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Subject: Re: [ADF EMG] Oracle ADF Essentials

On Sep 24, 2012, at 7:34 AM, Sveinn Halldór Oddsson Zoëga

<svei...@gmail.com> wrote:

Great news.

Now ADF adoption is possible for smaller users which are not big
enough to have the budget for Weblogic Server.

Right - the express support for GlassFish will also help crack the "other"
nut of promoting ADF as a framework suitable for general Java/JEE
development and not an Oracle-specific UI technology…

Big thanks to the Oracle team!

- Chad

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Chris Muir  
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From: Chris Muir <chriscm...@gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2012 06:12:23 -0700 (PDT)
Local: Mon, Sep 24 2012 9:12 am
Subject: Re: Oracle ADF Essentials
If you're a fan of the ADF Essentials announcement, it would be
appreciated if you could participate in some "totally unethical and
we'd never suggest you officially do this" vote-stacking at Dzone
please ;-)

http://www.dzone.com/links/oracle_adf_core_functionality_now_availabl...

...from an ADF product manager's point of view, it'd be nice to see
ADF in the Dzone "hotlist" just for 1 day, seriously it'll bring a
tear to my eye.

CM.

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Jernej Kaše  
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From: Jernej Kaše <jernej.k...@gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2012 07:03:14 -0700 (PDT)
Local: Mon, Sep 24 2012 10:03 am
Subject: Re: Oracle ADF Essentials

This will take ADF to the next level, make it attractive for personal
projects and so on.. We should see a great boost in developer ecosystem.

I don't know who exactly is behind this and how you convinced the bean
counters, but Shay, Chris, Duncan, Frank, Dana and everybody else.. a big
thank you!

On Monday, 24 September 2012 11:37:39 UTC+2, Dave van der Wende wrote:


 
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Chris Muir  
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From: Chris Muir <chriscm...@gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2012 22:19:11 +0800
Local: Mon, Sep 24 2012 10:19 am
Subject: Re: [ADF EMG] Re: Oracle ADF Essentials

Certainly I cannot take any credit as these efforts predate my start at
Oracle, but to say Ill pass on your thanks to the staff (not just PMs)
involved, I'm sure they'll appreciate it. What I will add is the team
members have been incredibly dedicated to pushing this through with a
number of significant challenges overcome. We hope you'll be able to make
good use of the results.

So anybody going to come up with a sexy name to compete with LAMP? We've a
free version of the db, a free Java server, and now a free JSF framework.
 I'm got GEX so far.

CM.

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This will take ADF to the next level, make it attractive for personal
projects and so on.. We should see a great boost in developer ecosystem.

I don't know who exactly is behind this and how you convinced the bean
counters, but Shay, Chris, Duncan, Frank, Dana and everybody else.. a big
thank you!

On Monday, 24 September 2012 11:37:39 UTC+2, Dave van der Wende wrote:

> Wow... Exciting news.
> http://www.oracle.com/technetwork/developer-tools/adf/overview/adfess...

> At first glance that is a great set of features.
> http://www.oracle.com/technetwork/developer-tools/adf/overview/adfess...

> Looking forward to hearing more. Especially before regard the road map
> forward.

> I was about to start to scope a project requiring glassfish and was
> thinking of using Prime or ICE faces. Hope be using ADF now !

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Stephen Johnson  
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 More options Sep 24 2012, 10:29 am
From: "Stephen Johnson" <sjohn...@integretasinc.com>
Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2012 10:28:54 -0400
Local: Mon, Sep 24 2012 10:28 am
Subject: RE: [ADF EMG] Re: Oracle ADF Essentials

I think that’s a good acronym, provided we pronounce it “Geeks”.  J

Stephen Johnson

Manager, Systems Architecture

Integretas, Inc.

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Certainly I cannot take any credit as these efforts predate my start at Oracle, but to say Ill pass on your thanks to the staff (not just PMs) involved, I'm sure they'll appreciate it. What I will add is the team members have been incredibly dedicated to pushing this through with a number of significant challenges overcome. We hope you'll be able to make good use of the results.

So anybody going to come up with a sexy name to compete with LAMP? We've a free version of the db, a free Java server, and now a free JSF framework.  I'm got GEX so far.

CM.

On 24/09/2012, at 10:08 PM, "Jernej Kaše" <jernej.k...@gmail.com> wrote:

This will take ADF to the next level, make it attractive for personal projects and so on.. We should see a great boost in developer ecosystem.

I don't know who exactly is behind this and how you convinced the bean counters, but Shay, Chris, Duncan, Frank, Dana and everybody else.. a big thank you!

On Monday, 24 September 2012 11:37:39 UTC+2, Dave van der Wende wrote:

Wow... Exciting news. http://www.oracle.com/technetwork/developer-tools/adf/overview/adfess...

At first glance that is a great set of features.http://www.oracle.com/technetwork/developer-tools/adf/overview/adfess...

Looking forward to hearing more. Especially before regard the road map forward.

I was about to start to scope a project requiring glassfish and was thinking of using Prime or ICE faces. Hope be using ADF now !

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From: Rob Nocera <rob.noc...@gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2012 10:23:42 -0400
Local: Mon, Sep 24 2012 10:23 am
Subject: Re: [ADF EMG] Re: Oracle ADF Essentials
This looks like great news!  I'll give it my vote on DZone.

-Rob


 
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Stephen Johnson  
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 More options Sep 24 2012, 10:34 am
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Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2012 07:34:15 -0700 (PDT)
Local: Mon, Sep 24 2012 10:34 am
Subject: Re: [ADF EMG] Re: Oracle ADF Essentials

And there needs to be a blog/site/group or something called "Oracle GEX for
Oracle Geeks".


 
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Wes Fang  
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Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2012 09:01:21 -0700 (PDT)
Local: Mon, Sep 24 2012 12:01 pm
Subject: Re: [ADF EMG] Re: Oracle ADF Essentials

This is really exciting news!!! I look forward to finally building a site
at home, good bye php. Just told all my developers too, let the word
spread! Thanks to everyone involved on getting this released!


 
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Vijay Navaluri  
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From: Vijay Navaluri <vnaval...@gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2012 12:19:50 -0400
Local: Mon, Sep 24 2012 12:19 pm
Subject: Re: [ADF EMG] Re: Oracle ADF Essentials

Awesome. kind of dream come true as an Oracle Solutions Architect facing
customers and justifying ADF framework over all those ever growing list of
open point focused frameworks. This was my wish/ask for Larry (Oracle) when
I was asked while joining ADF EMG group. Not sure it will be done so soon
and if EMG got it done :) Great news for all the well wishing community of
ADF and hoping for ADF mobile on same lines post OOW-12.

Thank you,
VJ


 
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hasim  
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Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2012 10:13:14 -0500
Local: Mon, Sep 24 2012 11:13 am
Subject: Re: [ADF EMG] Re: Oracle ADF Essentials

This is great news.but at the same time , I would read "What is included in
Oracle ADF Essentials?".
I would more consider is at trial version for production rather than free ,
I don't know how one will define security
without ADF security for taskflow. But this is good way forward so that ADF
can be adopted by SME for production
deployment for testing.

Thanks, Hasim

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Naresh Nalam  
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Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2012 12:52:05 -0500
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Subject: Re: [ADF EMG] Oracle ADF Essentials

The features given in this are great. But, if we already have Licensed
version of ADF, how can we integrate these features into our ADF ? Are
these new features already built into ADF 11.1.2.3.0 ?

Thanks

Naresh


 
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Stephen Johnson  
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From: Stephen Johnson <sjohn...@integretasinc.com>
Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2012 14:01:28 -0400
Local: Mon, Sep 24 2012 2:01 pm
Subject: Re: [ADF EMG] Re: Oracle ADF Essentials

I'm sure the ADF security is one of the main things people will miss, but it's not the only way to secure an app, and I'm sure you'll see lots of discussion about it in the ADF community over the weeks and months ahead.  In the meantime the question to ask is "How would I secure my app if I wasn't using ADF?"

We've already begun plans to use it for a couple of apps we had been looking at LAMP for, and security is one thing we'll have to figure out, but we're ok with that.

Stephen Johnson
Sent from I, Pad

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Jernej Kaše  
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From: Jernej Kaše <jernej.k...@gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2012 11:31:01 -0700 (PDT)
Local: Mon, Sep 24 2012 2:31 pm
Subject: Re: [ADF EMG] Re: Oracle ADF Essentials

Hasim,

it's up to a developer or a company to evaluate their development effort &
cost versus buying weblogic license and save big time on implementing an
enterprise ready, easy to manage and use security framework.

Just think about it for a second.. what you are saying can be rephrased as
"the security framework of ADF is so powerful that It alone justifies the
cost of weblogic + ADF". And honestly, replace security with anything else.
Task flows, BC, DVT... tell me, for which one would you not make this
comment?

I for one am amazed about what's in the package. Even more so because I'm
quite sure we'll soon see a community security library to go along with
that.


 
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Luc Bors  
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Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2012 21:19:33 +0200
Local: Mon, Sep 24 2012 3:19 pm
Subject: Re: [ADF EMG] Re: Oracle ADF Essentials

What about project GENIE ?
'They' only have the LAMP, 'we' have the 'GENIE' to grant all our wishes.

I know it's only three, but hey, it's three each....
Op 24 sep. 2012 16:19 schreef "Chris Muir" <chriscm...@gmail.com> het
volgende:


 
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Amr Gawish  
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Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2012 22:25:07 +0300
Local: Mon, Sep 24 2012 3:25 pm
Subject: Re: [ADF EMG] Re: Oracle ADF Essentials

Yea, and at least the DVT components are in

Rock on

Best Regards,
Amr Gawish


 
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Jan Vervecken  
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Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2012 12:40:32 -0700 (PDT)
Local: Mon, Sep 24 2012 3:40 pm
Subject: Re: [ADF EMG] Re: Oracle ADF Essentials

hi

The "Oracle ADF Essentials Overview and Frequently Asked Questions" [1]
document points to the JDeveloper and ADF forum as to place for ADF
Essentials community support.

Your feedback is welcome in these forum threads:
- "Is my application an ADF Essentials application?"
at https://forums.oracle.com/forums/thread.jspa?threadID=2443570
- "ADF Essentials : ADF Security alternatives"
at https://forums.oracle.com/forums/thread.jspa?threadID=2443571

- [1]
http://www.oracle.com/technetwork/developer-tools/adf/overview/adfess...

many thanks
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Shay Shmeltzer  
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From: Shay Shmeltzer <shay.shmelt...@oracle.com>
Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2012 13:05:38 -0700 (PDT)
Local: Mon, Sep 24 2012 4:05 pm
Subject: Re: [ADF EMG] Oracle ADF Essentials

>>Are these new features already built into ADF 11.1.2.3.0 ?

There is no separate version of ADF libraries for the Essentials edition
and the regular one.
The only "new feature" that Essentials has and the full ADF doesn't is the
ability to deploy to GlassFish.

Shay


 
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Stephen Johnson  
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Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2012 16:07:42 -0400
Local: Mon, Sep 24 2012 4:07 pm
Subject: RE: [ADF EMG] Oracle ADF Essentials

So it's up to the developers to make sure they're not using any of the ADF
features not available in Essentials, there's nothing in JDev 11.1.2.3 that
prevents using the limited features?

Stephen Johnson

Manager, Systems Architecture

Integretas, Inc.

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Subject: Re: [ADF EMG] Oracle ADF Essentials

>>Are these new features already built into ADF 11.1.2.3.0 ?

There is no separate version of ADF libraries for the Essentials edition and
the regular one.
The only "new feature" that Essentials has and the full ADF doesn't is the
ability to deploy to GlassFish.

Shay

On Monday, September 24, 2012 10:56:49 AM UTC-7, nnalamgm wrote:

The features given in this are great. But, if we already have Licensed
version of ADF, how can we integrate these features into our ADF ? Are these
new features already built into ADF 11.1.2.3.0 ?

Thanks

Naresh

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wrote:

Wow... Exciting news.
http://www.oracle.com/technetwork/developer-tools/adf/overview/adfess...
-1719844.html

At first glance that is a great set of
features.http://www.oracle.com/technetwork/developer-tools/adf/overview/adfe
ssentialsfaq-1837249.pdf

Looking forward to hearing more. Especially before regard the road map
forward.

I was about to start to scope a project requiring glassfish and was thinking
of using Prime or ICE faces. Hope be using ADF now !

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Jernej Kaše  
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Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2012 13:09:10 -0700 (PDT)
Local: Mon, Sep 24 2012 4:09 pm
Subject: Re: [ADF EMG] Oracle ADF Essentials

So one of the reasons for no security is its dependence on OPSS?


 
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Chad Thompson  
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From: Chad Thompson <chad_thomp...@mac.com>
Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2012 15:12:47 -0500
Local: Mon, Sep 24 2012 4:12 pm
Subject: Re: [ADF EMG] Oracle ADF Essentials

On Sep 24, 2012, at 3:07 PM, Stephen Johnson <sjohn...@integretasinc.com> wrote:

> So it’s up to the developers to make sure they’re not using any of the ADF features not available in Essentials, there’s nothing in JDev 11.1.2.3 that prevents using the limited features?

Partially (similar to other Oracle licensing) - but I'm also guessing that one reason that some of the "non-Essential" parts of ADF are not available for GlassFish deployment is the dependencies that some of them have on WebLogic.  For example, I can see where the ADF Security features that rely on OPSS/WebLogic would need to be 'ported' to GlassFish - so attempting to use OPSS with an Essentials / GlassFish deployment simply wouldn't work.

… and if you're deploying to WebLogic, the "Essentials" tag is meaningless, because you have a full ADF license anyway!

- Chad

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Luc Bors  
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 More options Sep 24 2012, 4:20 pm
From: Luc Bors <lucb...@gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2012 22:20:18 +0200
Local: Mon, Sep 24 2012 4:20 pm
Subject: Re: [ADF EMG] Oracle ADF Essentials

Shay,
Short question.
I couldn't find t in the release notes, nor have I been able to test it
yet, but is there full support for ADF libraries, and thus for modular
development and reuse ?
Op 24 sep. 2012 22:05 schreef "Shay Shmeltzer" <shay.shmelt...@oracle.com>
het volgende:


 
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Jan Vervecken  
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 More options Sep 24 2012, 4:22 pm
From: Jan Vervecken <verv...@gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2012 13:22:38 -0700 (PDT)
Local: Mon, Sep 24 2012 4:22 pm
Subject: Re: [ADF EMG] Oracle ADF Essentials

hi Stephen Johnson

That is also what I am asking about in OTN forum thread:
- "Is my application an ADF Essentials application?"
at https://forums.oracle.com/forums/thread.jspa?threadID=2443570

regards
Jan Vervecken


 
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