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Monica Keller  
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 More options Jul 23 2010, 3:58 pm
From: Monica Keller <monica.kel...@gmail.com>
Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2010 12:58:40 -0700 (PDT)
Local: Fri, Jul 23 2010 3:58 pm
Subject: Re: Zawinsky principle of social software, "... is single", "... is in a relationship", which (new?) verb?
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:) this came up during my wedding as well. You are completely right we
have only modeled one type of XFN relationship: friending

We definitely want to be able to model this with pure activity stream
concepts.

To me there are 2 major approaches

The first generic approach is to leverage the verb: Update which is
fairly new and define an Update Activity to have a field name and
value thus allowing us to model general profile changes like "Monica"
changed her last name to "Wilkinson", "Monica set spouse to Matt",
"Sally set her relationship status to Single"

Or we can model this specifically for relationships under the argument
that this are fairly significant

So we would then need some new verbs "date", "marry", "break up",
"reconcile"... ok im being funny but yes that would follow the current
model we have with friend and follow.

To me this latter approach is better suited for human consumption and
the first one is better suited for data synchronization.

We may need both

On Jul 23, 12:31 pm, Tantek Çelik <tan...@cs.stanford.edu> wrote:

> Most of you are probably aware of the Zawinsky principle of social
> software (but maybe not by that name)

> *  "Social software" is about making it easy for people to do other
> things that make them happy: meeting, communicating, and hooking up.

> http://www.jwz.org/doc/groupware.html

> In that regard, there seems to be quite a big hole in ActivityStreams
> (or I've missed something obvious).

> I searched the archives of this list, and wiki.activitystrea.ms and
> found nothing that corresponds to the items that you see on services
> like Facebook that say/show things like:

> ♥ Sally just became single.

> ♥ John is in a relationship.

> etc.

> For the relationship case, if a direct object is specified, e.g.

> ♥ John is in a relationship with Dana.

> Then this can be represented by "Post"ing a "Status" with an embedded
> XFN link surrounding "Dana".

> However, my understanding of the justification given for introducing
> new AS verbs is to provide an opportunity for AS consuming
> applications to provide a different user interface / look+feel for
> different activities, and potentially who/what they are done with/to,
> thus this use case is likely deserving of a different verb than "post"
> (or even "update").

> Is there already an ActivityStreams answer for this?

> None of the current verbs in the schema seem specific enough:

> http://activitystrea.ms/head/activity-schema.html#anchor4

> Nor does there appear to be any examples of how you do this on the wiki or list.

> In addition, this has revealed two use cases that XFN doesn't handle,
> 1) updating relationship status to explicitly "single", and 2)
> updating relationship status to "in a relationship" without a known
> (or perhaps an undisclosed) direct-object.  However, I'm in favor of
> basing any microformat solution for this on an ActivityStreams
> solution.

> So, bottom line:

> What is the (potentially new) AS verb/object for stating "... is
> single", "... is in a relationship" ?

> Tantek

> --http://tantek.com/
> I made an HTML5 tutorial video/book!http://tantek.com/html5


 
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