Re: Connect Re: Alaska Calling - Humor/Poetry/Gaming/Military/Space?

[Abrigon Gusiq]

Argh, too true, just like to have a world and not have it system dependent or more like system forced, but ...

 

Mike

 

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From: Dave

To: Abrigon Gusiq

Sent: Thursday, October 29, 2009 8:49 AM

Subject: Re: Connect Re: Alaska Calling - Humor/Poetry/Gaming/Military/Space?

4E & Gurps are Way too different systems. Are you doubling your work load? Farscape is D20 system base, as far as I know, and D20 might still be running. 3.75 D&D, also known as Pathfinder, is opperating under Pazio.

 

4E operates on changable reuse after 5 min rest & daily abilities as well as class do-it-anytime besides basic atks...

Gurps is totally genaric, perhaps too much so, but perhaps that is what you want.

Serenidy / Firefly uses a tiered d2/d4/d6/d8/d10/d12/d12+2d/d12+4d system, every game dice w/o d20.

 

Just some things to think over BEFORE you start encoding Abrigon to a system. Once you shift to one base format, redoing it will be from Scratch, poor Scratch. You got a lot of info as a starting point, so perhaps you should start asking questions from active game system companies about suppliments using a short desription of what Abrigon could be 'for their system' and start going past ad hoc to a legit status that can sell? 

 

A short desription could be from three sentences and then upto five paragraphs explaining how it could fit THEM. much like a resume for your ideas as an addition or stand alone suppliment... Of course, if you go to sell it, they (The System's Co.) would like a share of what money is generated...

 

Just some thoughts

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From: Abrigon Gusiq <abr...@gmail.com>
To: Dave <dragonk...@yahoo.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 29, 2009 1:34:02 PM
Subject: Re: Connect Re: Alaska Calling - Humor/Poetry/Gaming/Military/Space?

Overload, sorry.. Understand, did not realize how much until I had sent it, and still printing it out, long story, computer keeps crashing?

 

Now to edit it and see what I have? I know I got a lot and not all I knew I had, and yes not all was mine.

 

Something for both D 4e and Gurps, never know?

 

Will play it by ear and see what I have so far and any suggestions and additions and clarifications and more?

 

Mike

 

 

 

 

 

----- Original Message -----

From: Dave

To: Abrigon Gusiq

Sent: Wednesday, October 28, 2009 5:40 PM

Subject: Re: Connect Re: Alaska Calling - Humor/Poetry/Gaming/Military/Space?

What you sent is an overload, at first; A lot of people invested in 4E D&D which adds and adds deus ex machina... that overdoing 'suppliments' as such. Going out and forming your own system is the other extreme as it puts you 'out on your own' as yet another set of rules to buy in order to use. the third option is to build a suppliment interlocking with an existing rules system, but doing that would mean either ad hoc house rules or getting 'permision' from a game system to suppliment their system, maybe.

 

Example... the Farscape official site is building new aliens & worlds, Stargate is limited in aliens but has room for adaptations & GURPS is a genaric system by nature.

 

Green Ronin Publishing made a "Black Company" suppliment, based on books, that was produced but is out of print. But they do Suppliments as a living...

 

Honestly dunno what to suggest. Dave...

[Abrigon Gusiq]

Hum, could be 3 or so..

 

Been working on ideas for SG-U and like, so never know.

 

I see CN-Elf to be an alternate Earth, same as ours until recent times, sometime about 1900 or so?

 

Gurps SG1 1900? Or

 

One sphere could be something like the Destiny from SG-U? or something new.. Got some changes to make, should all humanoids be modified to be marsupial and able to interbreed with each other? Or ... Satra likely will ramain hermaphrodites and gene samplers and egglaying/marsupials, just cause?

 

Hum.. I see the CN-Elf invasion being of Shinda, but cut off, yes one of the Sphere Ships? I always was a fan of Piper or Heinlein and the idea of Drop Ships and like? Had Battle Tech or like visit Abrigon the world, but could be just ... hum... I do know Marrowville a Earth Human (alternate earth to ours where WW3 does happen, and a Cheyenne mountain complex finds it self cast thru time/space to Abrigon or Abrigon 1,2 or 3? They the colony set them selves up, but make contact with or ... a working smaller drop ship and leave for parts unknown? (possible 3 sphere or ...) They are tech of around our Earth Level?

 

Could be the home world is not a full sphere (dyson) just to large for me to fill up and actually game it.. Just cause I can imagine it, does not mean I can explain it to others, or .. maybe even myself?

 

Abrigon - Home World

Gusiq - Sphere or home sphere of the invaders to CN-ELF, via a gate. CN-Elf invasion is done via gates on several islands on earth2 set up c.1900?

Morgoth (need new name, working name for now) is the other Sphere? Hum..

 

I do know there is a SG1 or like gate network, could be more like Gate of Ivrel. Possible Harry Potter or like team that is going out to close them down, or save planets from Invading Shinda, or to close to SG1 original concept idea? SG1 Magic?

 

Humanoids was stolen/acquired from all over local space, the several races seen so far, to replace the robots that were breaking down or maybe rebelling? or they had been replaced by nanite controlled slaves? And the slaves I know did rebel and now ... what?

 

2nd Empire, possible, or several smaller empires or what ever based on old Shinda tech, but now seperate? Post Apocalyptic or just they drifted apart cause of time/space, the Empire just fell apart from distance and neglect.

 

Still working on how Magic works, it will work but its not magic, but really high tech, now lost on how it works just that it does and it seems magical. Art Clark we miss ya.

 

Got more ideas, but got to look and collect and .. integrate?

 

Mike

Abrigon sometimes is me?

 

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Abrigon-World/

 

----- Original Message -----

From: Dave

To: Abrigon Gusiq

Sent: Thursday, October 29, 2009 3:22 PM

Subject: Re: Connect Re: Alaska Calling - Humor/Poetry/Gaming/Military/Space?

However, a standing system has the basics already, not to reinvent the wheel either. As I can figure out, some suppliments are tangent to the host system, allowing a LOT of leaway. But some staples are copyrighted, such as the D&D Mind Flayer.

 

Like Farscape, Abrigon could be in a neighboring Galaxy and the Invaders just probing this one with non-corrupted tech, one system under their domination, as they find out that things need to be rebuilt back home through frigates & freighters bringing back the spoils of conquest to the Dyson Sphere, and by nessesity a high-speed probe back to the Invaders to inform them as such. Do the Invaders go back to fix a Second Shinda Empire, continue expanding, or both?

 

What if there were three Dyson Spheres, The Large One as the Fallen Capital and two smaller, mobile bases for the Invaders? And #3 is in the wrong galaxy? Orbiting the one dominated system, of course...

 

Just an Idea.     Dave

 

From: Dave

To: Abrigon Gusiq

Sent: Thursday, October 29, 2009 3:41 PM

Subject: Re: Connect Re: Alaska Calling - Humor/Poetry/Gaming/Military/Space?

What if The Invaders had only one smaller Dyson sphere and IT (Gusiq) is in the wrong galaxy when the news comes of the fallen Empire of Abrigon?... Generations to even get back, unless new tech is created to speed the process??? What of the Frigate/Freighters Shinda in the middle of the mess?(a CN-ELF reversal of Position?)  Ah, the possiblities...

     Dave

[Abrigon Gusiq]

Wow, will have to digest and get back with ya.. Forwarding to Stargrunts to give them some ideas and feed back?

 

Shinda are much like the Melniboneans in out look from Moorcocks books. Ancient and morals are not human.

 

Or they can be more like those from Darkover (MZ Bradley) and almost spirits and only able to become in human or solid form once a year or something? The Ghost Wind or ... a time when the spores of a planet is dispered and any one caught in the effect becomes a wild animal but will breed and ... the result can be wierd? Nanotech or .. something natural?

 

True the fall of Abrigon did not happen all in one night, it took time and the Sphere being massive (1000 earths in size), it could have taken centuries before those on the north side found the south side empty or degraded?

 

Well of Souls one option was hex ships or like, and zones hexed?

 

Remember the episode of Sea Quest where the crew go forward to find two kids fighting an game but in reality it was not a game but a war and they was the last players of the war, as the planet Earth was slowly being destroyed, well the civilization of man was slowing being destroyed in their Mecha UGV (unmanned ground vehicle, the next level of UAV and remote) war..

 

Mike

 

----- Original Message -----

From: Dave

To: Abrigon Gusiq

Sent: Friday, October 30, 2009 10:36 AM

Subject: Re: Abrigon 3?

Morgoth? What I was Suggesting Is That 'The Invaders' had a smaller DYSON Sphere, perhaps an artificial sun-star, that is the mobile base with undecadent Super-tech, the important being nigh-immortality for Shinda and only the control zone and a genaric invader zone (twelve identicals?) being important to map, most of the rest are like Well of Souls zones of collected enviroments only filling a ring in the sphere at most. The Shinda to any race ratio is vastly overweighed, meaning a small Shinda Command for any Invasion Unit (Independent Invasion Disc Ships with smaller dropships) Ad hoc additionally...

 

When the BIG Sphere (#2) departed its home galaxy, it sent a samples of every enviroment back to Abrigon, the Capital, to recreate things. Just because they came back, perhaps by gates, only means that they discover the finite city-dome abandoned. They are very clueless to the affairs inside Abrigon because they are too busy recreating the enviroment pool at Abrigon's South Pole to notice. The equatoral zone is in massive decline as per degeneration gives all the room needed.  The Shadow God/AI is actively hiding the true state inside fearful that it will be terminated as an AI and replaced. It may take slave-generations to actually find out what's What. In the Process, they rebuild and enhance The AI, recreate out-of-sphere space rexploration, and are also too busy at the shock of rebel homeworlds to explore Abrigon inside...

 

What does this mean? You have Three Shinda factions, the South Pole/Distraught/Clueless 'Returners' operating in space near Abrigon and The Sphere/Invading Explorers too late to turn around and return except by gates to the South Pole, as the other gates to the Degenerates are inconvenianly malfunctioning(AI). While the Returners & Explorers are occupied with the outer empire-in-ruins, the Inner Empire is post-Apocolypic and the AI is rebuilding itself at the North Pole with discression. The Explorers might be busy building a base near Central Command(Sphere #2) to reinforce the ReInvasion of the second empire... and the AI building a force (ala Cylons?) primarily to defend itself and to secondarily to assist in the ReConquest outside Abrigon (through gates)... Thus you have High-Tech Shinda, AI androids, disinterested Explorers almost there to another Galaxy, and the Degenerates all connected to Abrigon in some way.

 

The gates as they malfunction could throw one back to the original side in various conditions, hurt or worse. The HT-Shinda do not interact with the Degenerates in such a senario, a vast ocean between the pole and the equatorial lands would exist... and any attemps to explore beyond the pole have a bermuda triangle vanishing act. Until the situation is altered, of course.

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From: Abrigon Gusiq <abr...@aim.com>
To: abrigo...@googlegroups.com; abrigo...@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Fri, October 30, 2009 1:24:01 AM
Subject: Abrigon 3?

[Abrigon Gusiq]

Yes, very possible and leaves much to be explored and more.

 

Many fragments of the old Imperium out there?

 

Tigiras, hum.. I like the beings from Andromeda, with the racial memory and like giant semi-sentient rats?

 

But, also got into the Clans of Neitzchens. Prides actually?

 

Rogue or just lost part of the AI? Alone trying to get its ship home and the crew is not helping, or the crew who is not the crew, just ... more lost than the AI? Remember Rama the book?  I know got to come up with more uniques ideas on my end..Just read to much sci-fi/fantasy when younger, sadly lost all or most of my books and ..

 

Old reserve ship yards in space, circling some star or planet and now the new rising nations, rising from the ashes of the old Empire? Never know, anyone like to do a comic or book series or like in them? Or fan modules?

 

Yes, a fan of the Jedi and like, but .. Also prefer someone more like Qui Chang Cain from the show Kung Fu, or Friar Tuck or like, building orphanages and Inn/Roads houses? Something less belligerant than how the west was won!?

 

Mike

 

----- Original Message -----

From: Dave

To: Abrigon Gusiq

Sent: Friday, October 30, 2009 11:57 AM

Subject: Re: Abrigon 3? other thoughts ReConquesta

The Light Invader Shinda Ship is much like the missing ship of Black Hole the movie with various dropships and on a larger scale, and faceless androids that are non-organic and truly goverend by a sentient AI fragment from Abrigon. These are the responce of the ReConquesta, with the Satra reinforced
by a Tiger-like tail-less, bat-eared humanoids with claws, you-name-them, please... Tigiras?

 

The Heavy Invader Shinda Ship is as long as a super-star destroyer, thinner, a spherical front end with a larger disruptor, and a lot more dropships... only five to ten or so active in the home galaxy, however. These have not been infiltrated by Abrigon's Rogue AI, but one is lost to aliens much like the ones of the new lost in space mixed with nanites. Conquest was futile, but the drifting HI Ship keeps a colony of the things fed and waiting. Three Heavies were dispatched as the returning Shinda HT while the rest monitored the Outer Empire...

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From: Abrigon Gusiq <abr...@aim.com>
To: abrigo...@googlegroups.com; abrigo...@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Fri, October 30, 2009 1:24:01 AM
Subject: Abrigon 3?

[Abrigon Gusiq]

Very true, a symbiotic relationship, they hate the AI but love it as well, since it keeps them in power aka on top of things?

 

More when I am awake and more focused..

 

Now to actually do anything with Abrigon? Or jus move on with a life offline?

 

Mike

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From: Dave

To: Abrigon Gusiq

Sent: Friday, October 30, 2009 2:44 PM

Subject: Re: The Return Re: Abrigon 3?

Sorry, got carried away with potentials that might not be in place unless there are active gates from the Invaders & Abrigon mixing. The AI could be most of the systems aka Shadow God, but high tech Shinda are unlikely to catch on that the AI is sentient until/if they try to shut it down. The AI expanding to multiple locations during the upgrading is plausable, Moon-based might be another safeguard, and building androids to 'assist' as subserviants plays into Shinda egos

 

I was thinking of the Kzinti with echolocation... Cats. In the dark.

 

Hexagonal zones, rhomboid zones, whatever. What if there is a moonbased Gate System yanking chunks of alien homewords miles wide, sent by the Invaders to be building the north-pole areas at this point, and new genetic cloning of more alien-toysolder types for the Lords...

 

The Lords have incentives (power) to maintain the illusion of Inner Abrigon as under tight control.

 

[Abrigon Gusiq]

I like the idea of multiple spheres, or drop ships or something like?

 

Rama the world ship, seeding the galaxy or what?

 

Mike

 

----- Original Message -----

From: Dave

To: Abrigon Gusiq

Sent: Thursday, October 29, 2009 3:22 PM

Subject: Re: Connect Re: Alaska Calling - Humor/Poetry/Gaming/Military/Space?

However, a standing system has the basics already, not to reinvent the wheel either. As I can figure out, some suppliments are tangent to the host system, allowing a LOT of leaway. But some staples are copyrighted, such as the D&D Mind Flayer.

 

Like Farscape, Abrigon could be in a neighboring Galaxy and the Invaders just probing this one with non-corrupted tech, one system under their domination, as they find out that things need to be rebuilt back home through frigates & freighters bringing back the spoils of conquest to the Dyson Sphere, and by nessesity a high-speed probe back to the Invaders to inform them as such. Do the Invaders go back to fix a Second Shinda Empire, continue expanding, or both?

 

What if there were three Dyson Spheres, The Large One as the Fallen Capital and two smaller, mobile bases for the Invaders? And #3 is in the wrong galaxy? Orbiting the one dominated system, of course...

 

Just an Idea.     Dave

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From: Abrigon Gusiq <abr...@aim.com>
To: abrigo...@googlegroups.com; abrigo...@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Thu, October 29, 2009 5:45:25 PM

[Abrigon Gusiq]

Hum, ideas, I like the current concept of SG-U but sadly not seen it yet on the teli, just not got cable and my local digital is crap.

 

But The Shinda are invaders, but via giant world ships? That come to systems, park and suck up all that is there, in the process they bring back life and beings for servitude and what else?

 

Does the ships even know they have passengers, and does the passengers even know they are in a giant world ship?

 

Drop ships and what else included?

 

Marrowville, a small town from a case of originally it was cause of a nuke hitting a cheyenne mountain or like base, but .. hum, alterate it could have been sucked up and now part of the Ship, but then escaped or ... not sure?

 

Ideas?

 

Mike

 

----- Original Message -----

From: Dave

To: Abrigon Gusiq

Sent: Thursday, October 29, 2009 3:22 PM

Subject: Re: Connect Re: Alaska Calling - Humor/Poetry/Gaming/Military/Space?

However, a standing system has the basics already, not to reinvent the wheel either. As I can figure out, some suppliments are tangent to the host system, allowing a LOT of leaway. But some staples are copyrighted, such as the D&D Mind Flayer.

 

Like Farscape, Abrigon could be in a neighboring Galaxy and the Invaders just probing this one with non-corrupted tech, one system under their domination, as they find out that things need to be rebuilt back home through frigates & freighters bringing back the spoils of conquest to the Dyson Sphere, and by nessesity a high-speed probe back to the Invaders to inform them as such. Do the Invaders go back to fix a Second Shinda Empire, continue expanding, or both?

 

What if there were three Dyson Spheres, The Large One as the Fallen Capital and two smaller, mobile bases for the Invaders? And #3 is in the wrong galaxy? Orbiting the one dominated system, of course...

 

Just an Idea.     Dave

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From: Abrigon Gusiq <abr...@aim.com>
To: abrigo...@googlegroups.com; abrigo...@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Thu, October 29, 2009 5:45:25 PM

[Abrigon Gusiq]

Not really, maybe but more like Moya from Farscape but egg shaped and silicon? Grown not made?

 

Mike

 

----- Original Message -----

From: Dave

To: Abrigon Gusiq

Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2009 9:20 AM

Subject: Re: Abrigon the World Ship(s)?

Titantic Spheres like the Death Star?

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From: Abrigon Gusiq <abr...@aim.com>

To: abrigo...@googlegroups.com; Abrigo...@yahoogroups.com; Stargr...@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sat, November 14, 2009 9:32:10 PM
Subject: Abrigon the World Ship(s)?

[Abrigon Gusiq]

Much liek the Babylon 5 warp gate?

 

Easier to control access in some ways, they have to have space ships and as they come in, you can shoot them, as well as it controls access to thee other side, easier to tax and have people pay tolls for example, but also .... who gets access has to join the Federation or organization?

 

How many current nations if they knew about the SG project, would have to change to join? Or get pissed and force the issue?

 

Not seen in SG1 and like, is another nation that finds out about the SG project but wants access  but not wanting to kiss the US butt, they invade Cheyenne mountain or more likely the Antarctica gate?

 

Making some possible changes in those who are the masters of the world ships?

 

Replicants or like the Terminators (T2000?) namely fluid and made of memory metal or smaller nanites? But why invade? Resistance is futile, or they hate all organics or ...

 

Mike

 

----- Original Message -----

From: Dave

To: Abrigon Gusiq

Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2009 9:27 AM

Subject: Re: Connect Re: Alaska Calling - Humor/Poetry/Gaming/Military/Space?

The OLD book Stargate had a gigantic ring ripping a few miles of distant Planets, into Space. Ouch.

My modified idea was the Invaders Stockpiling resourses around Fort Knox, into their Dyson Sphere...

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From: Abrigon Gusiq <abr...@aim.com>

To: abrigo...@googlegroups.com; Abrigo...@yahoogroups.com; Stargr...@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sat, November 14, 2009 9:36:36 PM

[Abrigon Gusiq]

Hum, was toying with the idea of the Shinda being in an odd way preservers of the old planets, even if they destroy them or something destroys them? They preserve some aspects of them?

 

Yes, the Replicator/Terminators, liquid in form, able to appear as almost any being and thing.. Dopplegangers? Agenda of the whole or as suggested they are a collective being and need not be one mind, but more a democracy?

 

Could even make them all a comment on current world ideas? Democracy or else? Conserve or else? One of the joys of sci-fi is the ability to make comments about current attitudes, and in the process not anger to many? Galileo to make comments about the Terracentrical ideals of they day, had to write things as a comedy or as science fiction (fantasy sort of what we would call it today but we are talking 400 years or so ago in technology changes?).

 

Mike

 

----- Original Message -----

From: Dave

To: Abrigon Gusiq

Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2009 6:29 AM

Subject: Re: Star Gate and Invasions?

SG again. Atlantis is fun to watch. I still like the Idear of the Shinda taking Chunks of Planets to build inside the Dyson Sphere. Liquid Nanites could have their own minds (agendas), and not a collective.

 

Resistance is Not Futile...     Dave (Dragonkat)

[Dave]

I've been knocking the Idea of the future beyond NextGen/ Deep 9/ Voyager?

     Dave(Dragonkat)

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From: Abrigon Gusiq <abr...@aim.com>

To: Dave <dragonk...@yahoo.com>
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Sent: Thu, November 19, 2009 5:49:51 PM
Subject: Abrigon World 1443 Re: Star Gate and Invasions?

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[Abrigon Gusiq]

Hum, future tech beyond the Federation?

 

Ever read H, Beam Piper or Asimov?

 

Nations seem to go thru changes over time, from dispersed to non-dispersed, from democratic to dictatorial, to monarchy to then revolution and back to democracy or ... sorry, not been up on the subject in a while. Karl Marx had some ideas on how things change, but .. Adam Smith had as well.

[Abrigon Gusiq]

Might use the story of Star Wars as a template of how things go?

 

Namely the rise to Empire and then beyond empire? Empire grows to a point, annoys it enemies and removed or it becomes corrupt and decadent and falls from its own weight, even fragments?

 

Warhamer 40K or

 

Mike

 

 

 

 

 

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[Tanya Boyce]

Take me off of this I dont want to join.   Thank you --- On Thu, 11/19/09, Dave <dragonk...@yahoo.com> wrote:

[Tanya Boyce]

Get me out of this game I never join nor do I want to play.   --- On Thu, 11/19/09, Abrigon Gusiq <abr...@aim.com> wrote:

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