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May 22, 2012, 10:18:33 PM5/22/12
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Any party leader that can arouse the likes of a convicted felon - and non-Canadian - to raise
his fists and dare that party leader to 'come outside the House and say that ! - is speaking
for all of us Canadians (who have any pride in Canada).
This man should never have been allowed back into Canada - which is not his country. This man
is a criminal who's done prison time and thus became disqualified from re-entering Canada.
But we also remember that this convicted felon also once owned the rightwing rag we know as the
National Post. And the National Post was (and still is) a great friend to the rightwing
parties and leaders in this country. We all know why the Harper government allowed him back
into Canada - it was a form of 'we'll always take care of each other' by the rightwing cabal in
this country.
The criminal wants to keep his Order of Canada. And to remain a member of the Privy Council.
And to get an absolute pardon from the U.S. government. THIS Canadian wants him expelled to
the country of his choice: Britain.
Mr Mulcair hit a nerve. Too bad he couldn't have prevented this man from ever setting foot on
our Canadian soil again.
_________________________________________________
May 21, 2012
Conrad Black blasts Mulcair over British criminal 'cheap shot'
The former media baron, convicted of fraud and obstruction of justice, says he never asked the
Conservatives for help in returning to Canada
Unrepentant and unbowed, former media baron and convicted felon Conrad Black insists he never
asked the Harper government for help in returning to Canada and accuses the NDP's newest leader
of "demagogic rabblerousing" for alleging otherwise.
Lord Black, who gave up his Canadian citizenship years ago to obtain a British peerage, became
a target for NDP Leader Thomas Mulcair after he secured a one-year temporary-resident permit
from Ottawa even while still residing in a Florida jail.
The former newspaper magnate entered Canada May 4 after being released from a Florida prison
where he had been serving a 42-month sentence for fraud and obstruction of justice.
In an interview with CBC's The National, Lord Black maintains that he was unjustly convicted -
"I was shafted." - and says he's working to try to overturn the convictions. "Keep in mind, I
won 99 per cent of this case."
He said after Mr. Mulcair attacked the temporary-resident permit in the Commons as special
treatment for "Conservative cronies," he had worried the Harper government might rescind it.
"I deliberately had absolutely no contact direct or indirect with anyone," Lord Black said of
Mr. Harper's cabinet. "Yes, at times in the past, I've known the Prime Minister and the
minister of immigration and a number of other prominent members of the government," he said.
"[But] I said we will make no overture to them at all."
He challenged Mr. Mulcair to step outside the Commons - where MPs enjoy parliamentary immunity
for their comments - and accuse him of improper attempts to influence public figures.
"It would certainly be my pleasure to sue him for defamation."
He said his lawyer, who dealt with Citizenship and Immigration, spoke to 30 officials and
"every single one said 'Yes, this man should be admitted.' "
The NDP Leader, who holds a French passport in addition to his Canadian one, has derisively
referred to Lord Black as a "British criminal."
Lord Black said he could call Mr. Mulcair "a French defamer" if he chose, "and with more
justice."
He said the NDP Leader's "cheap shot" was unbecoming. "I remember Tommy Douglas and Dave Lewis
and Ed Broadbent and Audrey McLaughlin. They never would have done anything like that."
Lord Black, 67, said he would like to move beyond his conviction rather than being "stigmatized
for life ... like a medieval leper, with bells on my head to warn the unsuspecting of the
approach of moral taint and turpitude."
He said it's "un-Canadian" to repeatedly bring up the conviction, calling it a "constant
sadistic reference to my alleged status according to the trumped-up system of the palace of
corruption and hypocrisy of a courthouse in Chicago."
Lord Black said he would like to apply to regain his Canadian citizenship after the controversy
has settled - "when it is clear that I don't have cloven feet and horns" - but said he won't do
so if it prompted a major backlash.
"I [have] reached the age where I'm tired of being oppressed and I'm tired of being defamed and
I am not going to do anything that is going to lead to gratuitously antagonistic people making
apparently plausible claims that I am morally unsuited to be a citizen of this country."
Lord Black, who did two stints in Florida prisons, said the toughest part of his second stay
was just after he arrived. "The worst was when I just watched Barbara's car drive away and
thought to myself ... 'Here I am back in one of these ghastly, stupid, banal American prisons
for another eight months for things I didn't do. I'm in my 60s and what the hell am I doing
here?' "
Lord Black declined to revisit past criticism of the Harper government's anti-crime agenda,
saying that "since I am not technically a citizen, it's not my place to come in here on a
temporary resident permit and get up on a soap box and harangue the government."
He rejected the notion that the misfortune of recent years represents a tragedy, suggesting
those who hold that view are "not very good tragedians," because "a tragedy is somebody who
dies in a plane crash at the age of 28 or has a splendid career and completely destroys [it]."
Lord Black said he doesn't plan to retire but was coy on what he'll pursue beyond writing.
"There's some interesting prospects. But since they're not public companies I don't talk about
them."
Lord Black said people have repeatedly written him off only to have been proved wrong.
"There have been plenty of people prepared to announce that I was a flash in the pan or
self-destructed or was finished or something. But I always disappoint them. I'll go on doing
that for a while."
While he declined to attack the Conservative government's crackdown on crime, Lord Black said
he believes locking up non-violent offenders is wrong.
"It's done because it's always been done but it is nonsense. It is not the way to treat them.
It's horribly expensive. It's tokenistic, fetishistic - and a matrix for the magnification of
abuse and the exacerbation of sociopathic problems."
He didn't rule out returning to the U.S. one day, but said it wouldn't be imminent.
"I would never say never and I assume that I will and time heals most wounds. But I have no
ambition to go back anytime soon."
********************************************************************************
We hang the petty thieves and elect the greatest ones to public office.
his fists and dare that party leader to 'come outside the House and say that ! - is speaking
for all of us Canadians (who have any pride in Canada).
This man should never have been allowed back into Canada - which is not his country. This man
is a criminal who's done prison time and thus became disqualified from re-entering Canada.
But we also remember that this convicted felon also once owned the rightwing rag we know as the
National Post. And the National Post was (and still is) a great friend to the rightwing
parties and leaders in this country. We all know why the Harper government allowed him back
into Canada - it was a form of 'we'll always take care of each other' by the rightwing cabal in
this country.
The criminal wants to keep his Order of Canada. And to remain a member of the Privy Council.
And to get an absolute pardon from the U.S. government. THIS Canadian wants him expelled to
the country of his choice: Britain.
Mr Mulcair hit a nerve. Too bad he couldn't have prevented this man from ever setting foot on
our Canadian soil again.
_________________________________________________
May 21, 2012
Conrad Black blasts Mulcair over British criminal 'cheap shot'
The former media baron, convicted of fraud and obstruction of justice, says he never asked the
Conservatives for help in returning to Canada
Unrepentant and unbowed, former media baron and convicted felon Conrad Black insists he never
asked the Harper government for help in returning to Canada and accuses the NDP's newest leader
of "demagogic rabblerousing" for alleging otherwise.
Lord Black, who gave up his Canadian citizenship years ago to obtain a British peerage, became
a target for NDP Leader Thomas Mulcair after he secured a one-year temporary-resident permit
from Ottawa even while still residing in a Florida jail.
The former newspaper magnate entered Canada May 4 after being released from a Florida prison
where he had been serving a 42-month sentence for fraud and obstruction of justice.
In an interview with CBC's The National, Lord Black maintains that he was unjustly convicted -
"I was shafted." - and says he's working to try to overturn the convictions. "Keep in mind, I
won 99 per cent of this case."
He said after Mr. Mulcair attacked the temporary-resident permit in the Commons as special
treatment for "Conservative cronies," he had worried the Harper government might rescind it.
"I deliberately had absolutely no contact direct or indirect with anyone," Lord Black said of
Mr. Harper's cabinet. "Yes, at times in the past, I've known the Prime Minister and the
minister of immigration and a number of other prominent members of the government," he said.
"[But] I said we will make no overture to them at all."
He challenged Mr. Mulcair to step outside the Commons - where MPs enjoy parliamentary immunity
for their comments - and accuse him of improper attempts to influence public figures.
"It would certainly be my pleasure to sue him for defamation."
He said his lawyer, who dealt with Citizenship and Immigration, spoke to 30 officials and
"every single one said 'Yes, this man should be admitted.' "
The NDP Leader, who holds a French passport in addition to his Canadian one, has derisively
referred to Lord Black as a "British criminal."
Lord Black said he could call Mr. Mulcair "a French defamer" if he chose, "and with more
justice."
He said the NDP Leader's "cheap shot" was unbecoming. "I remember Tommy Douglas and Dave Lewis
and Ed Broadbent and Audrey McLaughlin. They never would have done anything like that."
Lord Black, 67, said he would like to move beyond his conviction rather than being "stigmatized
for life ... like a medieval leper, with bells on my head to warn the unsuspecting of the
approach of moral taint and turpitude."
He said it's "un-Canadian" to repeatedly bring up the conviction, calling it a "constant
sadistic reference to my alleged status according to the trumped-up system of the palace of
corruption and hypocrisy of a courthouse in Chicago."
Lord Black said he would like to apply to regain his Canadian citizenship after the controversy
has settled - "when it is clear that I don't have cloven feet and horns" - but said he won't do
so if it prompted a major backlash.
"I [have] reached the age where I'm tired of being oppressed and I'm tired of being defamed and
I am not going to do anything that is going to lead to gratuitously antagonistic people making
apparently plausible claims that I am morally unsuited to be a citizen of this country."
Lord Black, who did two stints in Florida prisons, said the toughest part of his second stay
was just after he arrived. "The worst was when I just watched Barbara's car drive away and
thought to myself ... 'Here I am back in one of these ghastly, stupid, banal American prisons
for another eight months for things I didn't do. I'm in my 60s and what the hell am I doing
here?' "
Lord Black declined to revisit past criticism of the Harper government's anti-crime agenda,
saying that "since I am not technically a citizen, it's not my place to come in here on a
temporary resident permit and get up on a soap box and harangue the government."
He rejected the notion that the misfortune of recent years represents a tragedy, suggesting
those who hold that view are "not very good tragedians," because "a tragedy is somebody who
dies in a plane crash at the age of 28 or has a splendid career and completely destroys [it]."
Lord Black said he doesn't plan to retire but was coy on what he'll pursue beyond writing.
"There's some interesting prospects. But since they're not public companies I don't talk about
them."
Lord Black said people have repeatedly written him off only to have been proved wrong.
"There have been plenty of people prepared to announce that I was a flash in the pan or
self-destructed or was finished or something. But I always disappoint them. I'll go on doing
that for a while."
While he declined to attack the Conservative government's crackdown on crime, Lord Black said
he believes locking up non-violent offenders is wrong.
"It's done because it's always been done but it is nonsense. It is not the way to treat them.
It's horribly expensive. It's tokenistic, fetishistic - and a matrix for the magnification of
abuse and the exacerbation of sociopathic problems."
He didn't rule out returning to the U.S. one day, but said it wouldn't be imminent.
"I would never say never and I assume that I will and time heals most wounds. But I have no
ambition to go back anytime soon."
********************************************************************************
We hang the petty thieves and elect the greatest ones to public office.
M.I. Wakefield
May 22, 2012, 11:41:40 PM5/22/12
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"Co...@minority.gov" wrote in message
news:NNXur.2587$9Q6...@newsfe18.iad...
> Any party leader that can arouse the likes of a convicted felon - and
> non-Canadian - to raise his fists and dare that party leader to 'come
> outside the House and say that ! - is speaking for all of us Canadians
> (who have any pride in Canada).
Black has put Mulcair in a box: if he won't repeat the remarks outside the
House he looks like a coward, if he does repeat them, he'll get sued.
And if Mulcair says anything controversial outside of the House, he's too
stupid to live, never mind be an MP. Especially with the salient example of
Pat Martin a few seats to his right.
news:NNXur.2587$9Q6...@newsfe18.iad...
> Any party leader that can arouse the likes of a convicted felon - and
> non-Canadian - to raise his fists and dare that party leader to 'come
> outside the House and say that ! - is speaking for all of us Canadians
> (who have any pride in Canada).
House he looks like a coward, if he does repeat them, he'll get sued.
And if Mulcair says anything controversial outside of the House, he's too
stupid to live, never mind be an MP. Especially with the salient example of
Pat Martin a few seats to his right.
Canuck57
May 23, 2012, 4:37:23 PM5/23/12
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On 22/05/2012 8:18 PM, Co...@minority.gov wrote:
Mulcair is a used diaper wipe.
--
Liberal-socialism is a great idea so long as the credit is good and
other people pay for it. When the credit runs out and those that pay
for it leave, they can all share having nothing but debt and discontentment.
Mulcair is a used diaper wipe.
--
Liberal-socialism is a great idea so long as the credit is good and
other people pay for it. When the credit runs out and those that pay
for it leave, they can all share having nothing but debt and discontentment.
Unknown
May 23, 2012, 7:11:36 PM5/23/12
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"Co...@minority.gov" wrote in message news:NNXur.2587$9Q6...@newsfe18.iad...
>
>> Any party leader that can arouse the likes of a convicted felon - and non-Canadian - to
>> raise his fists and dare that party leader to 'come outside the House and say that ! - is
>> speaking for all of us Canadians (who have any pride in Canada).
Kim Dobranski aka "M.I. Wakefield" <none@present> wrote in message
>
>> Any party leader that can arouse the likes of a convicted felon - and non-Canadian - to
>> raise his fists and dare that party leader to 'come outside the House and say that ! - is
>> speaking for all of us Canadians (who have any pride in Canada).
news:T%Yur.40745$qS6....@unlimited.newshosting.com...
> Black has put Mulcair in a box: if he won't repeat the remarks outside the House he looks
> like a coward, if he does repeat them, he'll get sued.
You dumb ass. Mulcair has no intentions of carrying on the discussion. He did what he had to
> like a coward, if he does repeat them, he'll get sued.
do: showed up the Harper government for being hypocrites on allowing convicted criminals into
Canada - if it suits them. And at the same time calling Black exactly what he is: a convicted
felon that under Canada's laws does not qualify for entry into Canada.
Mulcair said it all. He did it from a platform that made news across this country and earned
him BIG points with Canadians.
Why would you think he has to do it again - outside the House?
> And if Mulcair says anything controversial outside of the House, he's too stupid to live,
> never mind be an MP. Especially with the salient example of Pat Martin a few seats to his
> right.
so popular in Quebec is because he DID make some very strong comments about a criminal -
'outside the House' - and paid some big dollars in a libel suit. The people of Quebec agreed
with Mulcair big time and loved him for his courage. It's part of why he's where he is today:
leader of the Official Opposition and higher in the federal polls than the current Harper
government.
Lord Black talks law suits all the time - it's part of his 'I'm still a big shit' facade. We
know him better as a crook who spit on Canadian citizenship, stole money from shareholders in
his companies, got caught by the Americans, and spent time in prison for his criminal actions.
Mulcair has balls. Black has nothing behind him but a bad reputation - and a friend in Harper,
another guy with a very bad reputation.
Unknown
May 23, 2012, 7:13:49 PM5/23/12
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"Canuck57" <Canu...@nospam.com> wrote in message news:9Ubvr.17077$3y3....@newsfe20.iad...
country.
> Mulcair is a used diaper wipe.
. . . . Not bad for someone leading a party polling higher than the current government of the
country.
welldone
May 24, 2012, 3:47:28 AM5/24/12
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"M.I. Wakefield" <none@present> wrote:
>"Co...@minority.gov" wrote in message
>news:NNXur.2587$9Q6...@newsfe18.iad...
>
>> Any party leader that can arouse the likes of a convicted felon - and
>> non-Canadian - to raise his fists and dare that party leader to 'come
>> outside the House and say that ! - is speaking for all of us Canadians
>> (who have any pride in Canada).
>
Karen Gordon actually posted these words?
>"Co...@minority.gov" wrote in message
>news:NNXur.2587$9Q6...@newsfe18.iad...
>
>> Any party leader that can arouse the likes of a convicted felon - and
>> non-Canadian - to raise his fists and dare that party leader to 'come
>> outside the House and say that ! - is speaking for all of us Canadians
>> (who have any pride in Canada).
>
Wow. What a dumb bitch. No wonder I've killfiled the dimwit rat.
>Black has put Mulcair in a box: if he won't repeat the remarks outside the
>House he looks like a coward, if he does repeat them, he'll get sued.
>
---
--> "I may make you feel, but I can't make you think" <--
--> Off the monitor, through the modem, nothing but net <--
Alan Baker
May 24, 2012, 4:07:55 AM5/24/12
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In article <u8evr.12797$iQ....@newsfe23.iad>,
'Seth Lipsky, in an opinion piece for the Wall Street Journal that ran
on June 28, 2011, called the verdict against Black "head-scratching,"
noting that Black was found not guilty of the most serious charges
brought against him and "the jury convicted him of a count of
obstruction, for obeying an eviction notice by Hollinger to remove from
his former office in Toronto boxes of papers and personal effects that
he hadn't been informed were under seal. Prosecutors claimed that, out
of 13 boxes, a single document was relevant to the investigation. It was
a copy of a non-compete agreement that Black had previously turned over
to the investigators."'
Obstruction of justice for obeying an eviction notice and removing
one--ONE!--paper that was relevant...
...that had already been turned over to the investigation.
--
Alan Baker
Vancouver, British Columbia
"If you raise the ceiling four feet, move the fireplace from that wall
to that wall, you'll still only get the full stereophonic effect if you
sit in the bottom of that cupboard."
"Co...@minority.gov" <ConsR@minority,gov> wrote:
> "Co...@minority.gov" wrote in message
> news:NNXur.2587$9Q6...@newsfe18.iad...
> >
> >> Any party leader that can arouse the likes of a convicted felon - and
> >> non-Canadian - to
> >> raise his fists and dare that party leader to 'come outside the House and
> >> say that ! - is
> >> speaking for all of us Canadians (who have any pride in Canada).
>
> Kim Dobranski aka "M.I. Wakefield" <none@present> wrote in message
> news:T%Yur.40745$qS6....@unlimited.newshosting.com...
> > Black has put Mulcair in a box: if he won't repeat the remarks outside the
> > House he looks
> > like a coward, if he does repeat them, he'll get sued.
>
> You dumb ass. Mulcair has no intentions of carrying on the discussion. He
> did what he had to
> do: showed up the Harper government for being hypocrites on allowing
> convicted criminals into
> Canada - if it suits them. And at the same time calling Black exactly what
> he is: a convicted
> felon that under Canada's laws does not qualify for entry into Canada.
Some "crime":
> "Co...@minority.gov" wrote in message
> news:NNXur.2587$9Q6...@newsfe18.iad...
> >
> >> Any party leader that can arouse the likes of a convicted felon - and
> >> non-Canadian - to
> >> raise his fists and dare that party leader to 'come outside the House and
> >> say that ! - is
> >> speaking for all of us Canadians (who have any pride in Canada).
>
> Kim Dobranski aka "M.I. Wakefield" <none@present> wrote in message
> news:T%Yur.40745$qS6....@unlimited.newshosting.com...
> > Black has put Mulcair in a box: if he won't repeat the remarks outside the
> > House he looks
> > like a coward, if he does repeat them, he'll get sued.
>
> You dumb ass. Mulcair has no intentions of carrying on the discussion. He
> did what he had to
> do: showed up the Harper government for being hypocrites on allowing
> convicted criminals into
> Canada - if it suits them. And at the same time calling Black exactly what
> he is: a convicted
> felon that under Canada's laws does not qualify for entry into Canada.
'Seth Lipsky, in an opinion piece for the Wall Street Journal that ran
on June 28, 2011, called the verdict against Black "head-scratching,"
noting that Black was found not guilty of the most serious charges
brought against him and "the jury convicted him of a count of
obstruction, for obeying an eviction notice by Hollinger to remove from
his former office in Toronto boxes of papers and personal effects that
he hadn't been informed were under seal. Prosecutors claimed that, out
of 13 boxes, a single document was relevant to the investigation. It was
a copy of a non-compete agreement that Black had previously turned over
to the investigators."'
Obstruction of justice for obeying an eviction notice and removing
one--ONE!--paper that was relevant...
...that had already been turned over to the investigation.
--
Alan Baker
Vancouver, British Columbia
"If you raise the ceiling four feet, move the fireplace from that wall
to that wall, you'll still only get the full stereophonic effect if you
sit in the bottom of that cupboard."
Canuck57
May 24, 2012, 6:47:34 PM5/24/12
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it doesn't surprise me one bit. No respect for debt or those that
produce. Lots of bottom feeding types. Everyone greedy and desperate
for other peoples money worshiping government and unions like a deity.
Too many consumers and not enough producers is the result of NDP greed
pandering of other peoples money. Canada will fail, might as well vote
NDP and make it swift. Conservative corruption, Liberal waste, NDP
buffoonery makes no difference, our system is morally and ethically
corrupt. As when Canada fails, you might want to worry about the value
of your welfare check if it arrives.
Everyone can't be government consumers. Lets start with that.
Unknown
May 25, 2012, 7:03:43 PM5/25/12
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Sheldon Scott aka Orion aka "welldone" <well...@wellhoned.com> wrote in message
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> Wow. What a dumb bitch. No wonder I've killfiled the dimwit rat.
Another one who's 'killfiled her' and then continues to address her messages without a pause.
>>Black has put Mulcair in a box: if he won't repeat the remarks outside the
>>House he looks like a coward, if he does repeat them, he'll get sued.
> Mully is an asshole. Period. No point in trying to dance around it.
As long as you're comfortable sitting amongst the minority who think so, ya poor soul . . . .
news:oqprr71ngevu661q2...@4ax.com...
> Karen Gordon actually posted these words?
Actually, no she didn't. But that shouldn't dissuade your usual rant.
> Wow. What a dumb bitch. No wonder I've killfiled the dimwit rat.
>>Black has put Mulcair in a box: if he won't repeat the remarks outside the
>>House he looks like a coward, if he does repeat them, he'll get sued.
> Mully is an asshole. Period. No point in trying to dance around it.
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