The collapse of Stephen Harper's illegal and unwinnable war
Auld Bob
in Afghanistan
A British Army officer has launched a devastating attack on the UK's
"failing" strategy in Afghanistan.
By Sean Rayment, Defence Correspondent
Published: 9:00PM BST 20 Jun 2009
The officer, who works in defence intelligence, has described the
British presence in Helmand as an "unmitigated disaster" fuelled by
"lamentable" government spin and naïvety.
Writing in the British Army Review, an official MoD publication, Major
SN Miller, stated: "Lets not kid ourselves. To date Operation Herrick
[the British codename for the War in Afghanistan] has been a
failure".
Operation Snakebite by Stephen Grey: ReviewHe claimed that hundreds of
millions of pounds of taxpayers money had been wasted on a war which
had failed to deliver any real reconstruction, governance or
security.
Rather than "winning hearts and minds", Major Miller, who serves in
the Defence Intelligence Staff serving Intelligence Corps, said the
British presence had had the opposite effect.
But his most blistering attack was on the UK's counter-narcotics
policy, where the illicit sale of drugs has been successfully used by
the Taliban to fund the insurgency and kill British troops.
He wrote: "British policy towards the poppy crop has been an
unmitigated disaster. The chief "effect" of the British presence in
Helmand has been to transform Helmand into the opium centre of the
world.
"This remarkable milestone was achieved just two years into the
British intervention."
Major Miller's indictment of Britain's Afghan strategy can be revealed
just a day after the Ministry of Defence announced that another
soldier had been killed in an explosion in Helmand.
The death of the soldier, who was a member of the Welsh Guards, brings
to 169 the number of British troops killed in Afghanistan since 2001.
Maj Miller claimed that the British government "sleepwalked" into
Helmand in 2006 "without any meaningful reconstruction plan, without
the resources to undertake-nation building tasks, and, critically,
without any desire to fight a major insurgency".
He added: "It was thanks to the tenacity of the common soldier and the
paratrooper that British embarrassment was saved."
In direct contradiction to the view of the defence chiefs and the
government, Major Miller added that the much-vaulted British strategy
of "winning the hearts and minds" of the Afghan people in Helmand had
failed.
Instead, he claimed, the opposite had happened, with polls showing
that 23 per cent of the population support the Taliban in the south
west of the country, a threefold increase compared with 2008.
He wrote: "Where a year (2008) ago, 81 per cent stated that the
Taliban have "no significant support at all" in the area, now only 52
per cent judged this to be the case.
"Just 45 per cent of polled Afghans supported the Nato presence in the
south west, down from 83 per cent in the previous year. The often
repeated statement that 'the Afghans don't want the Taliban back' is
increasingly open to question."
He continued: "Last year there were just 57 doctors in Helmand
Province – a scandalous figure three years into the British campaign.
"Positive opinion of overall living standards have dropped by 20
points – a remarkably bitter under achievement for a campaign that
purported to improve the lives of Afghans."
Maj Miller, who has served in Afghanistan, also attacks the Department
For International Development (DFID) for pumping millions of pounds of
taxpayers money into a government where he claimed "corruption,
inefficiency and incompetence" are "endemic".
Maj Miller also castigated senior officers for the strategy of "Clear,
Hold, Build", which he stated had become a "parody of itself".
He added: "We are really only clearing the immediate vicinity of the
security force bases, we are only holding the major settlements, and
we are not building.
"Self-protection has become the main tactic, reinforced by air strikes
that can backfire and undermine the campaign.
"Even as the Army renders itself more and more immobile with heavier
vehicles and infantrymen weighing as much as a medieval knight, still
the fantasy of the "manoeuvrist approach is peddled in staff courses.
"There is nothing manoeuvrist about weeks of petty, attritional fire
fights within a few kilometres radius of a Forward Operating Base. The
reason for all this is clear – zero casualties has become the tacit
assumption behind operations.
"The Taliban are not being "coerced", "deterred", or "destabilised".
They simply disperse, knowing that the British cannot sustain
pressure, and they return like the tide when the British troops
withdraw, after a short period, back to their bases."
In concluding his essay, Maj Miller wrote the "British Army must
believe that it can win wars again".
He added: "Politics needs to be squeezed out of the military campaign.
The point of going to war is not to then save ministerial discomfort
by avoiding casualties and buttering the media.
"Wars cost lives and the media better get used to it. The British
people understand this. They are far tougher than a worried government
PR man imagines. We need to win a war, not spin one."
Patrick Mercer, the Tory MP for Newark and a former infantry
commander, said: "This castigates the Labour government.
"A succession of defence and foreign secretaries have tried to present
the campaign in Afghanistan as benign and bloodless but that is just
spin and nonsense.
"Until the government properly resources the war in Afghanistan, our
strategy will fail."
Auld Bob
10x
Canada entangled in that war.
and now the Liberals are asking Mr. Harper to correct their mistake by
leaving????
Duncan Patton a Campbell
Please remember how the Cons beat the drum decrying the faithless Libbies
for their failure to lead the vanguard into Iraq.
Dhu
--
Duncan Patton a Campbell is Dhu
Orion
wrote:
> On Thu, 25 Jun 2009 22:47:53 +0000, 10x wrote:
> > Please remember that it was Paul Martin and the Liberals that got Canada
> > entangled in that war.
> > and now the Liberals are asking Mr. Harper to correct their mistake by
> > leaving????
>
> Please remember how the Cons beat the drum decrying the faithless Libbies
> for their failure to lead the vanguard into Iraq.
What does that have to do with Old Boob repeating the same tired old
LIE about "Stephen Harper's Illegal (??) and Unwinnable War"? It's
not Harper's war...never was. Jean Chretien got us into it, and Paul
Martin switched our role from 'peacekeeping' (yeah, right) to combat.
Quit trying to deflect attention away from liberal hypocrisy...you
only make yourself look dishonest.
But since you brought it up anyway, you might want to find something
other than Iraq to attempt to embarrass Conservatives with. Seems that
things in Iraq are coming along quite nicely, thanks...and history
will be considerably kinder to George Bush than you and your kind
would like...
Roy
"...and history will be considerably kinder to George Bush than you
and your kind would like..."
Somehow I doubt that...after all the "little" war with Iraq killed
quite a few people and broke the Americans with its expense.
=
10x
<camp...@neotext.ca> wrote:
>On Thu, 25 Jun 2009 22:47:53 +0000, 10x wrote:
>
>> Please remember that it was Paul Martin and the Liberals that got Canada
>> entangled in that war.
>> and now the Liberals are asking Mr. Harper to correct their mistake by
>> leaving????
>
>Please remember how the Cons beat the drum decrying the faithless Libbies
>for their failure to lead the vanguard into Iraq.
Don't try to change the subject.
After commiting troups to Afganistan the Liberals didn't have any to
commit to Iraq or we would be involved in that mess as well.
Zapp Brannigan
> On Thu, 25 Jun 2009 22:47:53 +0000, 10x wrote:
>
> > Please remember that it was Paul Martin and the Liberals that got Canada
> > entangled in that war.
> > and now the Liberals are asking Mr. Harper to correct their mistake by
> > leaving????
>
> Please remember how the Cons beat the drum decrying the faithless Libbies
> for their failure to lead the vanguard into Iraq.
>
And Chretien took a lot of shit from the Bush admin in public for not going
into Iraq, while we were one of the first in to Afghanistan with special
forces.
However, it wasn't Chretien who turned our military presence there into a
combat role, nor Martin. It was Harper.
Saying that "the Liberals got us into Afghanistan" is correct. Implying that
we were in Afghanistan in the same role then as we are at this time under the
3-1/2 years of the Harper government, is disingenuous and misleading.
Our miliary's role has changed.
10x
wrote:
>Duncan Patton a Campbell wrote
>> On Thu, 25 Jun 2009 22:47:53 +0000, 10x wrote:
>>
>> > Please remember that it was Paul Martin and the Liberals that got Canada
>> > entangled in that war.
>> > and now the Liberals are asking Mr. Harper to correct their mistake by
>> > leaving????
>>
>> Please remember how the Cons beat the drum decrying the faithless Libbies
>> for their failure to lead the vanguard into Iraq.
>>
>
>And Chretien took a lot of shit from the Bush admin in public for not going
>into Iraq, while we were one of the first in to Afghanistan with special
>forces.
Mr. Chretien did not have enough troups to commit to the Iraq war.
The liberals are really closet Americans. With Michael Ingatieff
comming back to Canada and becoming leader they seem to be coming out
of the closet...
>However, it wasn't Chretien who turned our military presence there into a
>combat role, nor Martin. It was Harper.
Bullshit. It was the NATO alliance who dicided Canadian troups would
go into combat. When Mr. Martin sent the troups to Afganistan it was
with the understanding that the Canadian troups would come under the
direction and control of the NATO alliance and very likely would be in
combat situations.
>Saying that "the Liberals got us into Afghanistan" is correct. Implying that
>we were in Afghanistan in the same role then as we are at this time under the
>3-1/2 years of the Harper government, is disingenuous and misleading.
The Liberals knew that they were placing Canadian troups under the
direction and control of the NATO alliance that is directing the war
in Afganistan. They also knew that Canadian troups very likely would
be engaged in combat in Afganistan as that was part of the terms the
troups were sent.
>Our miliary's role has changed.
THat is very true but it was the Liberals who agreed to send troups
into a situation where the role was certain to change under the
agreement the Liberals made to send the troups.
Roy
> On Fri, 26 Jun 2009 15:06:42 GMT, 10x <10x@teluös.net> wrote:
> >On Thu, 25 Jun 2009 23:35:06 -0400, Zapp Brannigan <cent...@live.ca>
> to a war zone with sub-standard and insufficient equipment, which was
> a direct result of 30 years of deliberate neglect.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
Not quite as bad as the WW I Ross rifle scandal. Remember that Barry?
=
10x
wrote:
>On Jun 26, 9:11�am, E. Barry Bruyea <lobbyi...@goaway.com> wrote:
The Ross rifle was and still is an excellent firearm.
It is too bad that it was unsuited the conditions of warfare and the
out of spec ammo provided by the Brits.
Not to mention the political pride that kept the Ross as a battle
rifel once it's shortcomings were discovered.
The Canadian govenrment paid for armaments that were of excellent
quality but not suitable as a military rifle. Much different than
forty years of successive governments starving the military of budget.
kekpar
absolutely
Gisele
> On 25 juin, 18:47, 10x <10x@telu�s.net> wrote:
>> Please remember that it was Paul Martin and the Liberals that got
>> Canada entangled in that war.
>> and now the Liberals are asking Mr. Harper to correct their mistake by
>> leaving????
>
> absolutely
Canadian Soldiers who have died in Afghanistan:
In 2002, there were 4 deaths.
In 2003, there were 2.
In 2004, there was 1.
In 2005, there was 1.
When Harpo took over:
In 2006, there were 36 deaths.
In 2007, there were 30.
In 2008, there were 32.
So far this year, there have been 14 already.
I think, this is Harpocrite's big mistake and it needs to be corrected
is right. We need to get out of there. That's not counting the
mounting financial cost of the war.
Gisele
10x
wrote:
>kekpar wrote:
>> On 25 juin, 18:47, 10x <10x@telu�s.net> wrote:
>>> Please remember that it was Paul Martin and the Liberals that got
>>> Canada entangled in that war.
>>> and now the Liberals are asking Mr. Harper to correct their mistake by
>>> leaving????
>>
>> absolutely
>
>Canadian Soldiers who have died in Afghanistan:
>
>In 2002, there were 4 deaths.
>
>In 2003, there were 2.
>
>In 2004, there was 1.
>
>In 2005, there was 1.
>
>When Harpo took over:
NATO called Candian troups into combat roles as agreed to with Paul
Martin when Mr. Martin sent the troups to Afganistan.
>In 2006, there were 36 deaths.
>
>In 2007, there were 30.
>
>In 2008, there were 32.
>
>So far this year, there have been 14 already.
THis is all very true.
Mr. Martin gave Mr. Harper a very nasty gift when he sent troups to
Afganistan.
Funny how the Liberals agree to something but when things start to
cost they disown the idea.
>I think, this is Harpocrite's big mistake and it needs to be corrected
>is right. We need to get out of there. That's not counting the
>mounting financial cost of the war.
You are abosolutley right. Canada does need to get it's troups out of
Afganistan but Canada is still bound by the agreement MR. Martin's
government made with NATO and Canada still has a commitment to NATO of
troups and equipment. Canada may not be able to back out of
Afganistan without backing out of NATO.
Canuck57
"10x" <10x@telu�s.net> wrote in message
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I might add the NDiaPers also voted for it.
And that Canada can give notice and get the hell out. Their country isn't
worth our lives. Even leave the weapons so they can kill each other. When
they have seen enough blood from Alah they can revolt and change it.
Otherwise they can continue to feed and sleep with the enemy.
Robert Sveinson
> wrote:
>
>>kekpar wrote:
>>> On 25 juin, 18:47, 10x <10x@telu�s.net> wrote:
>>>> Please remember that it was Paul Martin and the Liberals that got
>>>> Canada entangled in that war.
>>>> and now the Liberals are asking Mr. Harper to correct their mistake by
>>>> leaving????
>>>
>>> absolutely
>>
>>Canadian Soldiers who have died in Afghanistan:
>>
>>In 2002, there were 4 deaths.
>>
>>In 2003, there were 2.
>>
>>In 2004, there was 1.
>>
>>In 2005, there was 1.
>>
>>When Harpo took over:
>
> NATO called Candian troups into combat roles as agreed to with Paul
> Martin when Mr. Martin sent the troups to Afganistan.
And Herr Harper changed the role so that
his good buddy G Wacko Bushe would
think that he is a hero!!
x
> And Herr Harper changed the role so that
> his good buddy G Wacko Bushe would
> think that he is a hero!!
>
>
And then there was how Mr. Harper suddenly spoke in favour of Obama's
greenhouse gas reduction initiatives, surprisingly claiming that it was Bush
who held him back from initiating similar ideas.
All the while, not long ago, the now fired Rona Ambrose was doing her best to
screw up the idea of an international consensus about taking action at an
international summit about climate change.
It's not about whether or not climate change is affected by C02, that's not
what I'm saying. It's about Harper and how disingenious he is. He's no
better than that clown Chretien who talked the talk about it, but didn't walk
the walk.
If you trust the Liberals, you're just a little less a fool than someone who
trusts Harper, but in the end, Harper is a bigger two-faced jackass.
10x
<rsve...@mts.net> wrote:
>
>"10x" <10x@telu�s.net> wrote in message
>news:qouc459hm02c8ilg1...@4ax.com...
>> On Sat, 27 Jun 2009 16:04:27 -0400, Gisele <ilov...@nospamlycos.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>kekpar wrote:
>>>> On 25 juin, 18:47, 10x <10x@telu�s.net> wrote:
>>>>> Please remember that it was Paul Martin and the Liberals that got
>>>>> Canada entangled in that war.
>>>>> and now the Liberals are asking Mr. Harper to correct their mistake by
>>>>> leaving????
>>>>
>>>> absolutely
>>>
>>>Canadian Soldiers who have died in Afghanistan:
>>>
>>>In 2002, there were 4 deaths.
>>>
>>>In 2003, there were 2.
>>>
>>>In 2004, there was 1.
>>>
>>>In 2005, there was 1.
>>>
>>>When Harpo took over:
>>
>> NATO called Candian troups into combat roles as agreed to with Paul
>> Martin when Mr. Martin sent the troups to Afganistan.
>
>
>And Herr Harper changed the role so that
>his good buddy G Wacko Bushe would
>think that he is a hero!!
Mr. Martin committed Canadian troups knowing that the NATO Command
could place Canadian troups in a combat role. Mr. Martin made the
agreement. THe Combat role just happened on Mr. Harpers watch.
Mr. Harper could not change the terms that Mr. Martin agreed to.
WHat part of that don't you understand?
10x
If you trust any politician you are going to get taxed and get the
government you deserve.
x
> If you trust any politician you are going to get taxed and get the
> government you deserve.
>
>
If it was all about taxes, I would buy a bunch of guns, build a compound and
move to some "libertarian" shit hole like the suburbs of Mogadishu so I could
live out my life and not care about taxation.
It's not about that.
Robert Sveinson
Read my lips GOMER!!!
President Harpo could pull Canadian troops
out ANY TIME HE WANTED!!!!
SO! Instead of pulling them out now...
HE DECIDED TO WAIT AND
pull them out in ................................
............................................................
2011 !!
And he did that to kiss the ameriKLKKan
president's ASS!!!!
OH GOMER!!!!
I wonder why some people refer to the
sending of troops to Afghanistan to have been
Chretien's trick!!
10x
<rsve...@mts.net> wrote:
Please cite the part of the agreement Mr. Martin signed that says
that?
>SO! Instead of pulling them out now...
>HE DECIDED TO WAIT AND
>pull them out in ................................
>............................................................
>2011 !!
But they are still being pulled out.
Why did Mr. Martin send the troups there in the first place?
Mr. Martin was aware NATO could put them into a combat role under the
rules of the agreement.
>And he did that to kiss the ameriKLKKan
>president's ASS!!!!
Would that be President Obama who is now sending troups to Afganistan.
At least with the Canadian troups it was only the taliban in danger -
with the Americans there it is everyone in danger.
>OH GOMER!!!!
>I wonder why some people refer to the
>sending of troops to Afghanistan to have been
>Chretien's trick!!
Short memory eh what?
Robert Sveinson
Jesus DOPEY!
Why would I give citations for some thing that you are dragging
around??
>
>>SO! Instead of pulling them out now...
>>HE DECIDED TO WAIT AND
>>pull them out in ................................
>>............................................................
>>2011 !!
>
> But they are still being pulled out.
Hey DOPEY!
Are they being pulled out today or yesterday??
Or does your little quip mean that they are still being
pulled out in 2011??
> Why did Mr. Martin send the troups there in the first place?
Tell me GOMER!
> Mr. Martin was aware NATO could put them into a combat role under the
> rules of the agreement.
CITATION GOMER!!!
>
>>And he did that to kiss the ameriKLKKan
>>president's ASS!!!!
>
> Would that be President Obama who is now sending troups to Afganistan.
Has haarper had a chance yet to kiss Obama's
ass more than once when Obama came to Canada???
10x
<rsve...@mts.net> wrote:
The Liberals put the troups in Afganistan. Mr. Harper is pulling them
out in 2011. Why didn't Mr. Martin pull them out when he had the
chance?
Robert Sveinson
> On Sun, 5 Jul 2009 19:56:54 -0500, "Robert Sveinson"
>>> Please cite the part of the agreement Mr. Martin signed that says
>>> that?
>>
>>Jesus DOPEY!
>>Why would I give citations for some thing that you are dragging
>>around??
>
> The Liberals put the troups in Afganistan. Mr. Harper is pulling them
> out in 2011. Why didn't Mr. Martin pull them out when he had the
> chance?
It does not matter why Martin didn't
pull the troops out of Afghanistan.
More Canadians have been killed
under president harpers regime,
and he chooses to keep kissing ameriKKKan ass
rather than save a few Canadian lives!
10x
Like all Liberals you don't really understand the concept of honoring
an agreement do you.
The Liberals made the agreement the troups were sent under. Mr. Harper
is honoring that agreement.
Remember the last vote in a minority parliament where the Liberals
voted to keep the troups in a combat role in Afganistan.
The Liberals could have defeated the govenrment on this one - they
didn't. Why didn't they?
Robert Sveinson
"KarlK" <Ka...@nospam.edu> wrote in message
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> Robert Sveinson wrote:
>
>>
>> "10x" <10x@telu�s.net> wrote in message
>> news:l6r255549r9fbhq9p...@4ax.com...
>>> On Sun, 5 Jul 2009 19:56:54 -0500, "Robert Sveinson"
>>
>>
>>
>>>>> Please cite the part of the agreement Mr. Martin signed that
>>>>> says that?
>>>>
>>>>Jesus DOPEY!
>>>>Why would I give citations for some thing that you are dragging
>>>>around??
>>>
>>> The Liberals put the troups in Afganistan. Mr. Harper is pulling
>>> them out in 2011. Why didn't Mr. Martin pull them out when he
>>> had the chance?
>>
>> It does not matter why Martin didn't
>> pull the troops out of Afghanistan.
>
> have yet he didn't.
No dopey!
> Strange that it was OK for a LIberal to keep
> troops in Afghanistan but no good for for the Cons to do the same
> thing.
No Gomer!! It isn't!
So now the excuse used by harpo is all right
because the liberals didit!
I guess any excuse that you can find
to justify harpo's dead Canadians will find you
agreeable.
> You make me laugh at your idiocy.
Laugh away ASS HOLE!!
But don't let any one see you
laughing and giggling or they may think
that you are a 24 carat .......................
>
>> More Canadians have been killed
>> under president harpers regime,
>> and he chooses to keep kissing ameriKKKan ass
>> rather than save a few Canadian lives!
>
> It is very plain to see whose ass you are kissing immigrant.
Who would that be Gomer?
Don't run and hide DOPEY! Just tell
the world whose ass it is!
I couldn't possibly kiss the ass of whomever
it is plain to see by you, because
I couldn't wait around until you
were finished kissing ass.
You did of course know that it was me standing in
line while you were kissing ass! Or not?
>
>
>
> --
> KKK
10x
<rsve...@mts.net> wrote:
>> Strange that it was OK for a LIberal to keep
>> troops in Afghanistan but no good for for the Cons to do the same
>> thing.
>
>No Gomer!! It isn't!
>So now the excuse used by harpo is all right
>because the liberals didit!
>
>I guess any excuse that you can find
>to justify harpo's dead Canadians will find you
>agreeable.
If the Canadian troups are withdrawn now before the job is done then
the loss o their lives would be in vain.
Liberals don't finish the job do they???
Nor do they have the courage to do a job that was promised and must be
done.
10x
<lobb...@goaway.com> wrote:
>>
>>If the Canadian troups are withdrawn now before the job is done then
>>the loss o their lives would be in vain.
>>Liberals don't finish the job do they???
>>Nor do they have the courage to do a job that was promised and must be
>>done.
>
>
>One of the hardest things I've ever done in regards my political views
>is to call for our immediate withdrawal from Afghanistan. The tragedy
>of our losses and to bring the troops home means they died in vain;
>but I still sincerely believe there is no end game for us or anyone
>one else fighting in that beknighted country
If Canada does not finish the war in Afganistan it just may start up
here in the near future.
Robert Sveinson
I keep remembering my promise to my mother!!
"KarlK" <Ka...@nospam.edu> wrote in message
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> Robert Sveinson wrote:
>
>>
>> "KarlK" <Ka...@nospam.edu> wrote in message
>> news:Xns9C40CCEE77...@188.40.43.213...
>>> Robert Sveinson wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> "10x" <10x@telu�s.net> wrote in message
>>>> news:l6r255549r9fbhq9p...@4ax.com...
>>>>> On Sun, 5 Jul 2009 19:56:54 -0500, "Robert Sveinson"
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>> Please cite the part of the agreement Mr. Martin signed that
>>>>>>> says that?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Jesus DOPEY!
>>>>>>Why would I give citations for some thing that you are dragging
>>>>>>around??
>>>>>
>>>>> The Liberals put the troups in Afganistan. Mr. Harper is
>>>>> pulling them out in 2011. Why didn't Mr. Martin pull them out
>>>>> when he had the chance?
>>>>
>>>> It does not matter why Martin didn't pull the troops out of
>>>> Afghanistan.
>>>
>>> It doesn't? He could have done it just like you say Harper could
>>> have yet he didn't.
>>
>> No dopey!
>
> Actually, yes he could dumbass. It is interesting how ignorant you
> are of Canadian politics.
>
>>> Strange that it was OK for a LIberal to keep
>>> troops in Afghanistan but no good for for the Cons to do the same
>>> thing.
>>
>> No Gomer!! It isn't!
>> So now the excuse used by harpo is all right
>> because the liberals didit!
>
> So, you admit that the Liberal DID keep the troop in Afghanistan..
> About time.
>
>> I guess any excuse that you can find
>> to justify harpo's dead Canadians will find you
>> agreeable.
>
> Dead Canadians are a bad thing. Too bad the Liberal government sent
> our troops to war.
>
>>> You make me laugh at your idiocy.
>>
>> Laugh away ASS HOLE!!
>
> Don't worry, I can't help it. Just look at you.
>
>> But don't let any one see you
>> laughing and giggling or they may think
>> that you are a 24 carat .......................
>
> Kind of like they think you are a 24 carat moron?
>
>>>> More Canadians have been killed
>>>> under president harpers regime, and he chooses to keep kissing
>>>> ameriKKKan ass rather than save a few Canadian lives!
>>>
>>> It is very plain to see whose ass you are kissing immigrant.
>>
>> Who would that be Gomer?
>
> The Liberal ass, of course.
>
>> Don't run and hide DOPEY! Just tell
>> the world whose ass it is!
>
> Just did and that was just the obvious one.
>
>> I couldn't possibly kiss the ass of whomever
>> it is plain to see by you, because
>> I couldn't wait around until you
>> were finished kissing ass.
>
> You poor command of the English language is showing again immigrant.
>
>
>> You did of course know that it was me standing in
>> line while you were kissing ass! Or not?
>
> Yes, I know you stand in line to kiss ass. What was your point
> immigrant?
>
> Then again, perhaps your poor language skills are more indicative of
> a lack of mental acuity than immigrant status.
>
>
> --
> KK
Robert Sveinson
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10x
<lobb...@goaway.com> wrote:
>There is no 'finish' to the war in Afghanistan. Look at the history.
Currently there is a civil war in Afganistan.
Canada has to participate until the current government there can
finish it.
Mr. Chretien had no business sending troups there in the first place.
Now the troups are there, withdrawl would be wrong.
10x
On Tue, 7 Jul 2009 20:52:11 -0500, "Robert Sveinson"
Robert Sveinson
> On Tue, 07 Jul 2009 18:02:52 -0400, E. Barry Bruyea
> <lobb...@goaway.com> wrote:
>
>>On Tue, 07 Jul 2009 21:36:51 GMT, 10x <10x@telu�s.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>If Canada does not finish the war in Afganistan it just may start up
>>>here in the near future.
So you parrot BUSH and HARPER telling the world
that Canada has to fight the terrorists in Afghanistan
so that they won't need to be fought in Canada!!!
>>
>>There is no 'finish' to the war in Afghanistan. Look at the history.
>
> Currently there is a civil war in Afganistan.
Does Harper knmow about this CIVIL WAR???
Who decided that there was a civil war in Afghanistan??
The same people that claim that Canada will have to
fight the terrorists in Canada??
> Canada has to participate until the current government there can
> finish it.
And whose rule book are we using that states that Canada has
to
participate???
> Mr. Chretien had no business sending troups there in the first place.
> Now the troups are there, withdrawl would be wrong.
So!!! It's more Canadian dead soldiers because harper
wan'ts to be a WAR PRESIDENT like his hero
jesus W Christ? Is that it???????
Robert Sveinson
> Robert Sveinson wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> I keep remembering my promise to my mother!!
>
> You continue to be a fool.
And you continue being FOOLED!!!!~
GOMER!!
>
>
> --
> KK
Robert Sveinson
> You don't have any way to refute do you...
WHAT????
10x
<rsve...@mts.net> wrote:
>
>"10x" <10x@telu�s.net> wrote in message
>news:3ra8559sifg26npo5...@4ax.com...
>> On Tue, 07 Jul 2009 18:02:52 -0400, E. Barry Bruyea
>> <lobb...@goaway.com> wrote:
>>
>>>On Tue, 07 Jul 2009 21:36:51 GMT, 10x <10x@telu�s.net> wrote:
>
>
>>>>
>>>>If Canada does not finish the war in Afganistan it just may start up
>>>>here in the near future.
>
> So you parrot BUSH and HARPER telling the world
> that Canada has to fight the terrorists in Afghanistan
> so that they won't need to be fought in Canada!!!
>
>
Would you like to have terrorist acts happen in Canadian cities?
would you take that chance?
Can Canada afford to take that chance?
>>>
>>>There is no 'finish' to the war in Afghanistan. Look at the history.
>>
>> Currently there is a civil war in Afganistan.
>
> Does Harper knmow about this CIVIL WAR???
> Who decided that there was a civil war in Afghanistan??
> The same people that claim that Canada will have to
> fight the terrorists in Canada??
Haven't you been paying attention to the news. The taliban is
fighting both the Afgan govenrment and the forreign troups.
If that isn't a civil war then what is?
>> Canada has to participate until the current government there can
>> finish it.
>
> And whose rule book are we using that states that Canada has
>to
> participate???
>
The same rule book that allowed the Liberal government to send troups
there under a NATO agreement.
Why did the Liberals participate in the first place?
>> Mr. Chretien had no business sending troups there in the first place.
>> Now the troups are there, withdrawl would be wrong.
>
> So!!! It's more Canadian dead soldiers because harper
> wan'ts to be a WAR PRESIDENT like his hero
> jesus W Christ? Is that it???????
It is more Canadian soldiers dead because that is the deal the
Liberals made when the troups were sent there. NATO changed the role
of Canadian troups as per the agreement made with the Liberal
government. Mr. Harper is honouring that agreement.
10x
The Liberals fool a considerable number of Canadian voters every
election by promising to not steal any more tax dollars.....
10x
I can't break it down to anything simpler for you.
You have yet to refute any statement I have made and you have just
engaged in personal attacks.
Robert Sveinson
>>I guess any excuse that you can find
>>to justify harpo's dead Canadians will find you
>>agreeable.
>
> If the Canadian troups are withdrawn now before the job is done then
> the loss o their lives would be in vain.
I really wonder what the above sentence means!
Troups??? Troops!
The loss of WHOSE lives?
The Canadian *troups* that are withdrawn?
Seems to me that the withdrawn troops would
be alive!
Withdrawing DEAD Canadians ( Harpers preferred
method) who have died for BUSH, HARPER,
UNOCAL, etc have certainly DIED IN VAIN!
> Liberals don't finish the job do they???
I do love your display of your **education**
like the above collection of letters!