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ConsƦcons
Apr 28, 2013, 3:31:08 PM4/28/13
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Over $580 Million taxpayer dollars were spent to build the 'remand
centre in Edmonton' and now the guards don't want to work in it because
they fear for their safety.
I saw footage of the interior of the facility on TV a few weeks back and
its interior looked like a large library with high inside walls. It was
the 'common area' that surprised me . . . the guard gets to sit behind
an L-shaped desk IN THE MIDST of the area, which has benches for the
prisoners for viewing giant screens and round tables for card games and
socializing.
Nice. I guess all those prisoners are more prone to bridge games and
light banter than ever erupting into violence.
Another job 'well done', Conservatives The Conservative Party should be
changing its name to something along the lines of 'Incompetents R Us'.
Photos of the centre here:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/albertasolgen/sets/72157633035266439/
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The Canadian Press April 27, 2013
Five Alberta jails locked down after walkout, province calls job action
illegal
Five Alberta jails locked down after walkout, province calls job action
illegal
EDMONTON - Alberta's justice minister says remand centre workers who
have walked off the job in Alberta are engaging in an illegal job action.
Jonathan Denis was responding early Saturday morning to a strike that
began at the Edmonton Remand Centre after a correctional worker was
suspended for complaining about safety issues.
Seventy workers who arrived for the Friday afternoon shift refused to go
inside, prompting officials to put the facility into lockdown and
restrict prisoners to their cells.
A spokesman for Denis confirmed early Saturday that the labour unrest
has spread to remand centres in Fort Saskatchewan, Calgary and
Lethbridge, as well as the Young Offenders Centre in Edmonton.
Josh Stewart says all those facilities are in "normal nighttime
lockdown" and that striking staff have been replaced by police and RCMP
officers along with correctional supervisors.
Guy Smith, president of the Alberta Union of Public Employees, says the
suspension of a union member on Friday was the last straw for
correctional officers who have complained about the design of the new
Edmonton Remand Centre.
He says the striking workers will stay off the job as long as it takes
to get action.
Just days before the jail opened, the AUPE said it found five pages of
design flaws after touring the $580 million facility.
At that time Smith asked the provincial government to delay the transfer
of prisoners from the old remand centre until the changes were made.
Denis said the province was seeking a court injunction to force the
workers back.
"Our first priority is ensuring public safety and security," the
minister said.
"Although provincial correctional centres across Alberta are affected,
the facilities continue to be securely operated through the assistance
of police and management. Contingency plans are in place and being
implemented as needed."
He said there would be an investigation of the walkout.
"Any threats to public safety are dealt with swiftly and seriously by
this government," he said.
____________________________________________
From Prince Edward Island to British Columbia to Nunavut, Canada is
undergoing a massive prison expansion. The federal government is adding
2,700 beds, and the provinces and territories have added or are adding a
further 7,000, at an estimated cost of $4-billion. British Columbia has
embarked on the most expensive building plan in its history.
“This is, to my knowledge, the largest expansion since the 1930s,” said
Matthew Yeager, a penology expert and criminology professor at the
University of Western Ontario in London, Ont. “This huge building
campaign represents the Americanization of Canadian corrections.”
The government’s latest crime bill, with its mandatory minimums and the
end of house arrest for serious crimes, will add thousands more
prisoners and cost untold billions.
centre in Edmonton' and now the guards don't want to work in it because
they fear for their safety.
I saw footage of the interior of the facility on TV a few weeks back and
its interior looked like a large library with high inside walls. It was
the 'common area' that surprised me . . . the guard gets to sit behind
an L-shaped desk IN THE MIDST of the area, which has benches for the
prisoners for viewing giant screens and round tables for card games and
socializing.
Nice. I guess all those prisoners are more prone to bridge games and
light banter than ever erupting into violence.
Another job 'well done', Conservatives The Conservative Party should be
changing its name to something along the lines of 'Incompetents R Us'.
Photos of the centre here:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/albertasolgen/sets/72157633035266439/
_________________________________________
The Canadian Press April 27, 2013
Five Alberta jails locked down after walkout, province calls job action
illegal
Five Alberta jails locked down after walkout, province calls job action
illegal
EDMONTON - Alberta's justice minister says remand centre workers who
have walked off the job in Alberta are engaging in an illegal job action.
Jonathan Denis was responding early Saturday morning to a strike that
began at the Edmonton Remand Centre after a correctional worker was
suspended for complaining about safety issues.
Seventy workers who arrived for the Friday afternoon shift refused to go
inside, prompting officials to put the facility into lockdown and
restrict prisoners to their cells.
A spokesman for Denis confirmed early Saturday that the labour unrest
has spread to remand centres in Fort Saskatchewan, Calgary and
Lethbridge, as well as the Young Offenders Centre in Edmonton.
Josh Stewart says all those facilities are in "normal nighttime
lockdown" and that striking staff have been replaced by police and RCMP
officers along with correctional supervisors.
Guy Smith, president of the Alberta Union of Public Employees, says the
suspension of a union member on Friday was the last straw for
correctional officers who have complained about the design of the new
Edmonton Remand Centre.
He says the striking workers will stay off the job as long as it takes
to get action.
Just days before the jail opened, the AUPE said it found five pages of
design flaws after touring the $580 million facility.
At that time Smith asked the provincial government to delay the transfer
of prisoners from the old remand centre until the changes were made.
Denis said the province was seeking a court injunction to force the
workers back.
"Our first priority is ensuring public safety and security," the
minister said.
"Although provincial correctional centres across Alberta are affected,
the facilities continue to be securely operated through the assistance
of police and management. Contingency plans are in place and being
implemented as needed."
He said there would be an investigation of the walkout.
"Any threats to public safety are dealt with swiftly and seriously by
this government," he said.
____________________________________________
From Prince Edward Island to British Columbia to Nunavut, Canada is
undergoing a massive prison expansion. The federal government is adding
2,700 beds, and the provinces and territories have added or are adding a
further 7,000, at an estimated cost of $4-billion. British Columbia has
embarked on the most expensive building plan in its history.
“This is, to my knowledge, the largest expansion since the 1930s,” said
Matthew Yeager, a penology expert and criminology professor at the
University of Western Ontario in London, Ont. “This huge building
campaign represents the Americanization of Canadian corrections.”
The government’s latest crime bill, with its mandatory minimums and the
end of house arrest for serious crimes, will add thousands more
prisoners and cost untold billions.
Sharx35
Apr 29, 2013, 1:52:45 AM4/29/13
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The design of the new remand centre reflects current LIBERAL ideas
on what a penal institution should be like. Period.
"ConsƦcons" <Cons...@cda.ca> wrote in message
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on what a penal institution should be like. Period.
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Eric
Apr 29, 2013, 2:17:54 PM4/29/13
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They should put all the bozo idiots that are on illegal strike in the new
remand jail...then build another one for the repectable criminals...The
idiot jail guards are spreading all sorts of false rumors about rioting and
water damage...inmate on the phone said nothing like that is happening.
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remand jail...then build another one for the repectable criminals...The
idiot jail guards are spreading all sorts of false rumors about rioting and
water damage...inmate on the phone said nothing like that is happening.
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Dave Smith
Apr 29, 2013, 2:45:02 PM4/29/13
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On 29/04/2013 2:17 PM, Eric wrote:
> They should put all the bozo idiots that are on illegal strike in the new
> remand jail...then build another one for the repectable criminals...The
> idiot jail guards are spreading all sorts of false rumors about rioting and
> water damage...inmate on the phone said nothing like that is happening.
And you believe an inmate?
> They should put all the bozo idiots that are on illegal strike in the new
> remand jail...then build another one for the repectable criminals...The
> idiot jail guards are spreading all sorts of false rumors about rioting and
> water damage...inmate on the phone said nothing like that is happening.
Dave Smith
Apr 29, 2013, 2:59:17 PM4/29/13
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On 29/04/2013 1:52 AM, Sharx35 wrote:
> The design of the new remand centre reflects current LIBERAL ideas on
> what a penal institution should be like. Period.
You may remember that a few years back there was a riot at the prison
> The design of the new remand centre reflects current LIBERAL ideas on
> what a penal institution should be like. Period.
for woman in Kingston. The female staff could not get things under
control. Female guards on the cat walk had buckets of shit and piss
thrown at them. They had to call in the riot squad from the prison for
men to come and restore order. They strip searched the prisoners and
everything was recorded on video to ensure that everything was done by
they book and that no false allegations could be made.
Then ended up with a new prison for women, more like a resort. The
women who had rioted complained about how de-humanizing it was for them
to be strip searched by male officers. Boo hoo. These same "humans" had
been throwing buckets of shit and piss at guards a few hours earlier.
When they lost the upper hand they were suddenly victims. Most people
don't realize how bad women have to be before they get thrown into a
jail like that.
The jail guards have a legitimate beef. They have real concerns about
safety and they want something along the lines of what has been
developed over the years due to the fact that there are a lot of very
dangerous and unpredictable people in jails.It is absurd to expect the
guards to be in constant direct contact with the dregs of society,
especially when there are so many violent people in there.
A few months ago the jail guards in Hamilton walked out in a dispute
over their use of body armour while conducting a complete search of the
facility following reports of knives hidden in cells. Management did not
want the guards to wear vest because it intimidates the inmates. Too
fucking bad. They are violent people and there is reason to believe
there are weapons in the jail. The safety of the guards should rank a
hell of a lot higher than inmates being intimidated by guards wearing
protective equipment.
Eric
Apr 29, 2013, 3:19:13 PM4/29/13
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Bukets of shit and piss are perfect feed for pigs.
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ConsƦcons
Apr 29, 2013, 3:31:44 PM4/29/13
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ConsƦcons
Apr 29, 2013, 3:32:29 PM4/29/13
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Eric Schild aka Eric wrote:
On 4/29/2013 1:19 PM,
On 4/29/2013 1:19 PM,
> Bukets of shit and piss are perfect feed for pigs.
You would know, Schild.
Eric
Apr 29, 2013, 3:36:14 PM4/29/13
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Yes I should..I've seen the pigs slurp it up. Bunch of whiny bioitches..get
back to work...ur breaking the law.
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back to work...ur breaking the law.
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Greg Carr
Apr 29, 2013, 3:45:56 PM4/29/13
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fairly by the hacks 95% of the time. If all the threats uttered by
inmates were carried out the homicide rate would skyrocket.
--
*Read and obey the Bible*
Barry Bruyea
Apr 29, 2013, 3:46:35 PM4/29/13
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Eric
Apr 29, 2013, 3:53:37 PM4/29/13
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When they go back to work they can just sell more drugs to the inmates to
make some cash on the side..maybe get some anal sex to help relax.
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make some cash on the side..maybe get some anal sex to help relax.
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ConsƦcons
Apr 29, 2013, 4:14:10 PM4/29/13
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> "Cons?cons" <ConsRcén...@cda.ca> wrote in message
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>> Eric Schild aka Eric wrote:
>> On 4/29/2013 1:19 PM,
>>> Bukets of shit and piss are perfect feed for pigs.
>>
>> You would know, Schild.
Eric Schild aka Eric again:
> news:fVzft.2489$aX5....@newsfe27.iad...
>> Eric Schild aka Eric wrote:
>> On 4/29/2013 1:19 PM,
>>> Bukets of shit and piss are perfect feed for pigs.
>>
>> You would know, Schild.
> Yes I should..I've seen the pigs slurp it up. Bunch of whiny
> bioitches..get back to work...ur breaking the law.
Actually, they're NOT "breaking the law". It is a clause in every
> bioitches..get back to work...ur breaking the law.
unionized contract that if an employee should "fear for his/her health
or safety" it is reason to stop work and walk away from the job site.
You should have known that, Schild, being a 'good' government worker for
the Ministry of Forests. Short time that you lasted with them.
ConsƦcons
Apr 29, 2013, 4:20:20 PM4/29/13
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Eric Schild aka Eric wrote:
On 4/29/2013 12:17 PM
> They should put all the bozo idiots that are on illegal strike in the new
> remand jail...then build another one for the repectable criminals...The
> idiot jail guards are spreading all sorts of false rumors about rioting and
> water damage...inmate on the phone said nothing like that is happening.
You would know, Schild.
> remand jail...then build another one for the repectable criminals...The
> idiot jail guards are spreading all sorts of false rumors about rioting and
> water damage...inmate on the phone said nothing like that is happening.
Did the cop put the handcuffs on too tight when you were arrested in
Banff? Is THAT your problem?
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ConsƦcons
Apr 29, 2013, 5:23:12 PM4/29/13
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Dave Smith
Apr 29, 2013, 5:27:00 PM4/29/13
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On 29/04/2013 4:36 PM, Nobody wrote:
>
> I heard an interesting angle on this so called 'safety' issue.
>
> All of the guards that worked in the old remand center are now in the
> new place along with the prisoners. In the old remand, the guards had
> lots of bars between them and the inmates. The guards abused and
> treated the prisoners like shit because they were 'safe' and no
> prisoner could get close enough to retaliate. The design of the new
> facility promotes 'mingling' and now the guards are scared the
> prisoners may be able to retaliate as they have no bars to hide behind
> all day. If the guards weren't such ignorant dicks in the first place,
> all would probably be well.
>
Curiously, outside of the institution, most people are pretty safe from
the guards. They tend not to act in a way that harms or threats people.
They are inside the jail because they are paid to do a job there. The
inmates OTOH, or in there because they have proven themselves to be a
threat to other people.
>
> I heard an interesting angle on this so called 'safety' issue.
>
> All of the guards that worked in the old remand center are now in the
> new place along with the prisoners. In the old remand, the guards had
> lots of bars between them and the inmates. The guards abused and
> treated the prisoners like shit because they were 'safe' and no
> prisoner could get close enough to retaliate. The design of the new
> facility promotes 'mingling' and now the guards are scared the
> prisoners may be able to retaliate as they have no bars to hide behind
> all day. If the guards weren't such ignorant dicks in the first place,
> all would probably be well.
>
Curiously, outside of the institution, most people are pretty safe from
the guards. They tend not to act in a way that harms or threats people.
They are inside the jail because they are paid to do a job there. The
inmates OTOH, or in there because they have proven themselves to be a
threat to other people.
Dave Smith
Apr 29, 2013, 5:27:23 PM4/29/13
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On 29/04/2013 3:19 PM, Eric wrote:
> Bukets of shit and piss are perfect feed for pigs.
Them by all means... enjoy.
> Bukets of shit and piss are perfect feed for pigs.
Dave Smith
Apr 29, 2013, 5:36:37 PM4/29/13
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had concerns about security in the place.
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/edmonton/story/2013/04/23/edmonton-lawyer-remand-centre-security-concerns.html
Eric
Apr 29, 2013, 6:02:30 PM4/29/13
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They should go work in a Bangladesh garment factory...bunch of sissies.
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Eric
Apr 29, 2013, 6:06:46 PM4/29/13
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The guards have a reputation as stoners and drunks...lots of EPS and guards
are convicted criminals for impaired driving.
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are convicted criminals for impaired driving.
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Sharx35
Apr 29, 2013, 6:31:45 PM4/29/13
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"ConsƦcons" <ConsRcén...@cda.ca> wrote in message
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>> "Cons?cons" <ConsRcén...@cda.ca> wrote in message
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>>> Eric Schild aka Eric wrote:
>>> On 4/29/2013 1:19 PM,
>>>> Bukets of shit and piss are perfect feed for pigs.
>>>
>>> You would know, Schild.
>
> Eric Schild aka Eric again:
> > Yes I should..I've seen the pigs slurp it up. Bunch of whiny
> > bioitches..get back to work...ur breaking the law.
>
> Actually, they're NOT "breaking the law". It is a clause in
> every unionized contract that if an employee should "fear for
> his/her health or safety" it is reason to stop work and walk away
> from the job site.
And I totally agree with that. If the employer doesn't listen, the
>> news:fVzft.2489$aX5....@newsfe27.iad...
>>> Eric Schild aka Eric wrote:
>>> On 4/29/2013 1:19 PM,
>>>> Bukets of shit and piss are perfect feed for pigs.
>>>
>>> You would know, Schild.
>
> Eric Schild aka Eric again:
> > Yes I should..I've seen the pigs slurp it up. Bunch of whiny
> > bioitches..get back to work...ur breaking the law.
>
> Actually, they're NOT "breaking the law". It is a clause in
> every unionized contract that if an employee should "fear for
> his/her health or safety" it is reason to stop work and walk away
> from the job site.
employees SHOULD walk. And walk they did. The arrogant PC
government is full of hubris and needs its collective ass kicked.
Dave Smith
Apr 29, 2013, 6:39:52 PM4/29/13
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On 29/04/2013 6:06 PM, Eric wrote:
> The guards have a reputation as stoners and drunks...lots of EPS and guards
> are convicted criminals for impaired driving.
Yes. Of course they do.
> The guards have a reputation as stoners and drunks...lots of EPS and guards
> are convicted criminals for impaired driving.
Moron.
Eric
Apr 29, 2013, 7:11:47 PM4/29/13
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Randy Goss is an alcoholic cop...Wasalyshyn is another one...Wasalyshyn beat
up a guy on Whyte Ave...Wasalyshyn is a short little fart..he beat up a guy
on crtutches. Wasalyshyn called his drunk cop buddies on whyte ave to come
help him beat up a drunk..what a hero.
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up a guy on Whyte Ave...Wasalyshyn is a short little fart..he beat up a guy
on crtutches. Wasalyshyn called his drunk cop buddies on whyte ave to come
help him beat up a drunk..what a hero.
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Dave Smith
Apr 29, 2013, 7:29:35 PM4/29/13
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allegations about cops.
Moron
David Johnston
Apr 30, 2013, 2:30:15 PM4/30/13
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On 4/29/2013 1:19 PM, Eric wrote:
> Bukets of shit and piss are perfect feed for pigs.
>
No. They aren't. Not for pigs, and not for people.
> Bukets of shit and piss are perfect feed for pigs.
>
Bill Smith
May 7, 2013, 2:04:49 AM5/7/13
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