Fw: Can a good Muslim be a good American?

[Michele Gennette]

Can a good Muslim be a good American? I sent that question to a friend who worked in Saudi Arabia for 20 years.  The following is his reply: Theologically - no.  Because his allegiance is to Allah, the moon god of Arabia. Religiously - no.  Because no other religion is accepted by his Allah except Islam. Scripturally - no.  Because his allegiance is to the five pillars of Islam and the Quran (Koran). Geographically - no.  Because his allegiance is to Mecca, to which he turns in prayer five times a day. Socially - no.  Because his allegiance to Islam forbids him to make friends with Christians or Jews. Politically - no.  Because he must submit to the mullah (spiritual leaders), who teach annihilation of Israel and Destruction of America, the great Satan. Domestically - no.  Because he is instructed to marry four women and beat and scourge his wife when she disobeys him. Intellectually - no.  Because he cannot accept the American Constitution since it is based on Biblical principles and he believes the Bible to be corrupt. Philosophically - no.  Because Islam, Muhammad, and the Quran do not allow freedom of religion and expression.  Democracy and Islam cannot co-exist.  Every Muslim government is either dictatorial or autocratic. Spiritually - no.  Because when we declare "one nation under God,"  the Christian's God is loving and kind, while Allah is NEVER referred to as heavenly father, nor is he ever called love in The Quran's 99 excellent names. Therefore after much study and deliberation....perhaps we should be very suspicious of ALL MUSLIMS in this country.  They obviously cannot be both "good" Muslims and good Americans. Call it what you wish....it's still the truth. If you find yourself intellectually in agreement with the above statements, perhaps you will share this with your friends.  The more who understand this, the better it will be for our country and our future. Pass it on Fellow Americans.  The religious war is bigger than we know or understand. In light of the murders at Ft. Hood by a Muslim Officer (who had sworn to defend the people, our Constitution and the United States) this article becomes more timely and real than ever; -

[Bridge]

I think this article is kinda evil.

TO EVERYONE READING THIS: DO NOT TRUST STATEMENTS THAT SEEK TO DRAW
LINES BETWEEN US

[Brock Organ]

On Sun, Nov 22, 2009 at 10:02 PM, Bridge <bqs4...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I think this article is kinda evil.

Why?

Regards,

Brock

[Michele Gennette]

>> In light of the murders at Ft. Hood by a Muslim Officer (who had sworn to defend >>the people, our Constitution and the United States) this article becomes more >>timely and real than ever;

>I think this article is kinda evil.

Unlike the 9/11 bombers and torturers and beheaders of Christians?

>TO EVERYONE READING THIS: DO NOT TRUST STATEMENTS THAT SEEK TO DRAW LINES BETWEEN US

The lines are already there, thanks to the being whom muslims worship.   xnun

[Bridge]

On Nov 23, 2:39 pm, Michele Gennette <xnun2...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >> In light of the murders at Ft. Hood by a Muslim Officer (who had sworn to defend >>the people, our Constitution and the United States) this article becomes more >>timely and real than ever;
> >I think this article is kinda evil.
>
>   Unlike the 9/11 bombers and torturers and beheaders of Christians?
>

Who said resist not evil?

> >TO EVERYONE READING THIS: DO NOT TRUST STATEMENTS THAT SEEK TO DRAW LINES BETWEEN US
>
>   The lines are already there, thanks to the being whom muslims worship.

Turn your cheek. It wasn't just a pleasant thing to say. It was to be
done. You must forebear.

>
>   xnun

[Bridge]

On Nov 23, 2:18 pm, Brock Organ <brockor...@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Sun, Nov 22, 2009 at 10:02 PM, Bridge <bqs4l...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > I think this article is kinda evil.
>
> Why?

Because it seeks to separate us and your God told you to Love everyone
as you love yourself.

>
> Regards,
>
> Brock

[Michele Gennette]

--- On Mon, 11/23/09, Bridge <bqs4...@gmail.com> wrote:

>Who said resist not evil?

I don't know.  I know who said to overcome evil with good. So, if we do that here, AvC will go into the toilet where it belongs.  xnun

[Michele Gennette]

> On Sun, Nov 22, 2009 at 10:02 PM, Bridge <bqs4l...@gmail.com> wrote: > > I think this article is kinda evil. >> Why? >Because it seeks to separate us and your God told you to Love >everyone as you love yourself.

Love your NEIGHBOR as yourself.    I got rid of or neutralized my evil neighbors.   xnun

[Bridge]

On Nov 23, 5:58 pm, Michele Gennette <xnun2...@yahoo.com> wrote:

> --- On Mon, 11/23/09, Bridge <bqs4l...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >Who said resist not evil?
>
>   I don't know.  I know who said to overcome evil with good.
> So, if we do that here, AvC will go into the toilet where it belongs.
>
>  xnun

I'm pretty sure Jesus said it...shouldn't you know that?

[Bridge]

On Nov 23, 6:00 pm, Michele Gennette <xnun2...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > On Sun, Nov 22, 2009 at 10:02 PM, Bridge <bqs4l...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > I think this article is kinda evil.
> >> Why?
> >Because it seeks to separate us and your God told you to Love
> >everyone as you love yourself.
>
>   Love your NEIGHBOR as yourself. 

We're all neighbors, NEIGHBORHOOD EARTH.

[showmethehoney]

radical islamic terrorists are indescriminate. they kill their own,
including muslim women and children. muslims died in 9/11 other than
the pathetic pilots. any religious fanatic should be put in lsd farms
imo ;-)

[Bridge]

The article didn't discriminate. Should we put moderate muslims on lsd
farms as well?

[showmethehoney]

nothing can be painted with such a wide brush. evil can exist in any
place, as evident by the fact that xtian priests can be pedeophiles.
moderate muslims are not suicide bombers and most likely have some
acceptance of other religions, despite what they have been taught.
fanaticism is typically harmful and certainly never positive. although
i was kidding about the lsd farms, fanatics tend to try and force
their message on others, so maybe if they were forced to do something
they dont want to do, they would wake up to the harm they are doing to
others?

[Bridge]

On Nov 24, 6:55 am, showmethehoney <alenasha...@googlemail.com> wrote:
> nothing can be painted with such a wide brush. evil can exist in any
> place, as evident by the fact that xtian priests can be pedeophiles.
> moderate muslims are not suicide bombers and most likely have some
> acceptance of other religions, despite what they have been taught.
> fanaticism is typically harmful and certainly never positive. although
> i was kidding about the lsd farms, fanatics tend to try and force
> their message on others, so maybe if they were forced to do something
> they dont want to do, they would wake up to the harm they are doing to
> others?

Because two wrongs make a right?

[showmethehoney]

often a good hard look in the mirror provides much benefit. i often
reflect peoples attitudes back in their face, but without malice. it
usually ticks them off. why? maybe they dont like themselves much? but
maybe they will see what it is like to be treated the way they treat
others. it works on occassion so why not give it a shot?

in regards to this thread, what is the alternative to putting
terrorists in jail (fanatics on lsd farms)? just let them wander the
planet spreading their hate and blowing up innocent people?

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[Bridge]

On Nov 24, 8:14 am, showmethehoney <alenasha...@googlemail.com> wrote:
> often a good hard look in the mirror provides much benefit. i often
> reflect peoples attitudes back in their face, but without malice. it
> usually ticks them off. why? maybe they dont like themselves much? but
> maybe they will see what it is like to be treated the way they treat
> others. it works on occassion so why not give it a shot?
>
> in regards to this thread, what is the alternative to putting
> terrorists in jail (fanatics on lsd farms)? just let them wander the
> planet spreading their hate and blowing up innocent people?

How bout developing programs to help them not feel so desperate?

Religion can be a factor but is it all factors? Your comment seems to
say that all Muslims are blowing themselves up.

That's some crazy generalization.

[showmethehoney]

my saying that one shouldnt paint all muslims with such a wide brush,
and that conservative muslims are likely accept other religions, is
suggesting that they all blow themselves up? i'm afraid you got the
opposite message to the one i was promoting.

developing programs to stop muslims from becoming radical islamists
may be a good idea, but their goal isnt driven by desperation, but
more likely to get all of those virgins that they are promised ;-)
in reality they are not desperate, they are hateful. big difference.

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[Bridge]

On Nov 24, 9:14 am, showmethehoney <alenasha...@googlemail.com> wrote:
> my saying that one shouldnt paint all muslims with such a wide brush,
> and that conservative muslims are likely accept other religions, is
> suggesting that they all blow themselves up? i'm afraid you got the
> opposite message to the one i was promoting.
>
> developing programs to stop muslims from becoming radical islamists
> may be a good idea, but their goal isnt driven by desperation, but
> more likely to get all of those virgins that they are promised  ;-)
> in reality they are not desperate, they are hateful. big difference.

"Their goal isn't driven by desperation".

Yeah, because it's awesome where they live.

[showmethehoney]

where? the usa? not all muslims live in the middle east and many of
them (the men) have pretty good lives. they have servants for wives
and seemingly exist without working a lot of the time. if sure many of
the muslim men who live in the middle east would not want to move to
the usa, but what do i know?

[Bridge]

On Nov 24, 9:44 am, showmethehoney <alenasha...@googlemail.com> wrote:
> where? the usa? not all muslims live in the middle east and many of
> them (the men) have pretty good lives.

Yeah, I'm sure the suicide bombers all drive Bentleys.

they have servants for wives
> and seemingly exist without working a lot of the time.

Seem to who?

if sure many of
> the muslim men who live in the middle east would not want to move to
> the usa, but what do i know?
>

I'll pass on this one.

[showmethehoney]

well bridge, when you look at pictures of the middle east a lot of the
time you see the streets full of men with their fists in the air. this
has caused me to make statements such as "why do muslim women wear
burkas? to hide the grimace on their face after giving birth to a male
with his fist waving in the air".

but i think we can conclude our conversation. it isnt going anywhere
and your cynicism is not really keeping my interest ;-)

[Bridge]

On Nov 24, 9:59 am, showmethehoney <alenasha...@googlemail.com> wrote:
> well bridge, when you look at pictures of the middle east a lot of the
> time you see the streets full of men with their fists in the air. this
> has caused me to make statements such as "why do muslim women wear
> burkas? to hide the grimace on their face after giving birth to a male
> with his fist waving in the air".

Wow.

>
> but i think we can conclude our conversation. it isnt going anywhere
> and your cynicism is not really keeping my interest  ;-)

But I'll take the last word.

Drawing lines between people is the way to set up an oppositional
mindset. Has anyone espousing Muslims as generally evil or Muslim
extremists as being motivated *strictly* by a will to be rewarded with
virgins ever taken a look in the mirror and wondered whether they or
their country have taken any action to provoke this behavior?

It's much easier to be cute and funny...and irrelevant.

[showmethehoney]

either you or i must have missed something. i am not the originator of
the thread. i do not draw lines between people except by their
actions, not by the colour of their skin, or their religion or lack
thereof. personally, i think would threaten potential suicide bombers
with imprisonment of their family if they carry out their actions...
how else can one stop them when they have all of those virgins waiting
for them if they carry out their mission?

by the way, id rather be cute and funny...and relevant. ;-)

[Bridge]

On Nov 24, 2:49 pm, showmethehoney <alenasha...@googlemail.com> wrote:
> either you or i must have missed something. i am not the originator of
> the thread. i do not draw lines between people except by their
> actions, not by the colour of their skin, or their religion or lack
> thereof.

Well, you did say that Muslim extremists were hateful and not
desperate, does that count?

I want to make sure I'm not misunderstanding you.

Do you believe there are any factors besides religion that are pushing
people(these extremists) to these lengths?

personally, i think would threaten potential suicide bombers
> with imprisonment of their family if they carry out their actions...

So with all these innocent families(because the families never did
anything wrong) in prison, do you think you'd promote more suicide
bombing or less?

> how else can one stop them when they have all of those virgins waiting
> for them if they carry out their mission?

What if we just helped them find their next meal? Maybe when someone
gets hungry enough it makes it easier to blow oneself up?

[showmethehoney]

i said radical islamists blow people up, including their own.

i think religion is the last thing that is pushing these actions. how
can any religion promote indescriminate murder of innocent people?

i gather you dont go by the biblical 'eye for an eye' promotion? i
dont really either. the perpetrator should get the harsher sentence
imo. if a suicide bomber is ruining the lives of many innocent people,
how do you punish them? they are dead. maybe a threat that sanctions
will be taken against their family will act as a deterent? you have
any suggestions?

so you think that suicide bombers are committing these attrocities
because they are hungry?

[Michele Gennette]

--- On Tue, 11/24/09, showmethehoney <alena...@googlemail.com> wrote:

>their goal isnt driven by desperation, but more likely to get all of those virgins that >they are promised  ;-)

See virgins attached :)   xnun

[Michele Gennette]

--- On Mon, 11/23/09, Bridge <bqs4...@gmail.com> wrote:

>> >Who said resist not evil? >> I don't know. I know who said to overcome evil with good. >> So, if we do that here, AvC will go into the toilet where it belongs. >> > >xnun >I'm pretty sure Jesus said it...shouldn't you know that?

Where did he say that?  I know where he said: "I come not with peace, but a sword."    xnun

[Bridge]

On Nov 24, 4:07 pm, Michele Gennette <xnun2...@yahoo.com> wrote:

Matthew 5:39.

>
>    xnun

[Michele Gennette]

--- On Tue, 11/24/09, Bridge <bqs4...@gmail.com> wrote:

> >I'm pretty sure Jesus said it...shouldn't you know that? > Where did he say that? I know where he said: "I come not with peace, > but a sword." Matthew 5:39.

"Turn the other cheek."   I only have 2 cheeks.   THOSE WHO BEAT THEIR SWORDS INTO PLOWSHARES   END UP PLOWING FOR THOSE WHO KEPT THEIR SWORDS xnun

[showmethehoney]

remind me never to get on your bad side ;-)

On Nov 24, 7:50 pm, Michele Gennette <xnun2...@yahoo.com> wrote:

[Michele Gennette]

--- On Tue, 11/24/09, showmethehoney <alena...@googlemail.com> wrote:

>remind me never to get on your bad side  ;-)

That's very wise.   xnun

[Bridge]

On Nov 24, 6:50 pm, Michele Gennette <xnun2...@yahoo.com> wrote:

> --- On Tue, 11/24/09, Bridge <bqs4l...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > >I'm pretty sure Jesus said it...shouldn't you know that?
> >   Where did he say that?  I know where he said: "I come not with peace,
> > but a sword."
>
> Matthew 5:39.
>
>   "Turn the other cheek."
>
>   I only have 2 cheeks.
>
>   THOSE WHO BEAT THEIR SWORDS INTO PLOWSHARES
>
>   END UP PLOWING FOR THOSE WHO KEPT THEIR SWORDS
>

I thought you were a Christian?

> xnun

[Michele Gennette]

--- On Tue, 11/24/09, Bridge <bqs4...@gmail.com> wrote:

>>> Matthew 5:39. >> "Turn the other cheek." > I only have 2 cheeks. >> >> THOSE WHO BEAT THEIR SWORDS INTO PLOWSHARES >> END UP PLOWING FOR THOSE WHO KEPT THEIR SWORDS >I thought you were a Christian?

Revelation  (that word again :) 19:10-21   xnun

[Bridge]

On Nov 25, 6:26 pm, Michele Gennette <xnun2...@yahoo.com> wrote:

There is nothing in there that has anything to do with how your God
told you to act.

He said turn the other cheek and you're not doing that by generalizing
and hating Muslims.

[Michele Gennette]

--- On Wed, 11/25/09, Bridge <bqs4...@gmail.com> wrote:

>> Revelation (that word again :) 19:10-21 >> > > xnun >There is nothing in there that has anything to do with how your God >told you to act. He said turn the other cheek and you're not doing that by >generalizing and hating Muslims.

You are in NO WAY qualified to speak for the God in whom you don't believe. READ IT!!   xnun

[Bridge]

On Nov 25, 6:35 pm, Michele Gennette <xnun2...@yahoo.com> wrote:

> --- On Wed, 11/25/09, Bridge <bqs4l...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >>   Revelation  (that word again :) 19:10-21
>
> >  > xnun
> >There is nothing in there that has anything to do with how your God
> >told you to act. He said turn the other cheek and you're not doing that by >generalizing and hating Muslims.
>
>   You are in NO WAY qualified to speak for the God in whom you don't believe.
> READ IT!!

So you're qualified to speak for God?

Awesome, the net tightens.

That sounds like pride, Michele.

There is no way I'm letting you out of this one.

Jesus don't condone hate. Check mate.

>
>   xnun

[Michele Gennette]

--- On Wed, 11/25/09, Bridge <bqs4...@gmail.com> wrote:

> >> Revelation (that word again :) 19:10-21 > > > xnun > >There is nothing in there that has anything to do with how your God > >told you to act. He said turn the other cheek and you're not doing that > >by generalizing and hating Muslims. > You are in NO WAY qualified to speak for the God in whom you don't believe. > READ IT!! >So you're qualified to speak for God?

No. >Awesome, the net tightens.   The web tightens around you.  Struggle on :)

>That sounds like pride, Michele.

To you, as you have no ideas what humility is.

>There is no way I'm letting you out of this one.

Go for it.

>Jesus don't condone hate.

Correct.  But I believe in him - do you? >:Check mate.    Not yet.  Close, though.  I'm the black queen :)   That's it until after Thanksgiving, which we believers in God celebrate without being hypocrites.   xnun