> On Mar 3, 11:44 pm, thewayoftruth1 <bicbess2...@gmail.com> wrote:

> * In this article about trinity  Mr.Grigsby stated that trinity is
> "the
> * fundamental element of the true Christian faith and this belief is
> * founded on both Old and New Covenant writings from Genesis to
> * Revelation"
> *
> * actually this is not true at all, firstly, because this idea (known
> * also as Athanasian Creed) was founded almost three centuries after
> * Jesus and was adopted by the council of Nicea in 325 A.D. after a
> * great debate the majority accepted Jesus to be a god! so we can say
> * that Jesus was the only god chosen democratically! and that means
> that
> * all those who had died before the year 325 were not true Christians,

> The trinity is considered the fundamental tenet of Christian faith by
> most mainstream Christians. Dissenting Christians almost everywhere
> would merely be hounded down by the Church.

> Muhammad did point out in Surah 5 of the Quran that this doctrine is
> not due to Jesus himself. I must thank the author of the quoted text
> for pointing out a fact of history that not many people appreciate.
> The Nicene Creed is in fact of no interest or importance except to
> people who want to learn Latin.

> * all Muslims, Jews and Christians believe that God is All Powerful,
> and
> * the bibles show us that Jesus is not, Jesus himself said "I can do
> * nothing on my own authority (John 5.30), Jesus was unable to do any
> * miracle in his hometown (Mark 6.5-6) when Jesus tried to heal a
> blind
> * man, the man was not healed after the first attempt and Jesus had to
> * try a second time (Mark 8.22-26) so Jesus had limitations in his
> power
> * like any other human so he can not be GOD the All powerful, besides
> * Jesus could not control his own power he lost it once when a woman
> * touched him and Jesus did not know who touched him and he had to ask
> * his disciples who became angry at him (Mark 5.27-32) this story
> shows
> * that Jesus did not know the future nor did he know the past or the
> * present plus he has no control over his power.

> This sounds like the punch line:-

> "FORGET ABOUT MARK, HE'S GONE." This is what I told a Catholic girl
> named Claudia about thirty years ago, while discussing our dumb
> classmate in school. "But his sister Frieda's face is better looking
> than yours or Rajen's." Rajen was a muddle-headed molecular biologist
> who seemed to be more interested in Christianity than science, and who
> kept telling me that he could not stand Frieda's face. Claudia herself
> was just about to leave our country and settle down in Australia, and
> by the end of it all her face was as red as the flag in the Marx
> (Mark's) office. Mark's father, amusingly, was a church-going member
> of the Communist Party of India (Marxist). Frieda and Mark were both
> known as "Christopher's children", and Christopher's surname is too
> complicated to remember.

> What I told my favorite classmate Claudia in fact started with a comic
> imitation of what I heard from Mark's cousin Manmohan. "Forget about
> Mark, he's gone. The whole bloody lot have gone. Left their home and
> gone. Of the whole bloody lot, the only one with any sense of decency
> was Frieda, and the poor girl really had to take hell from churchgoers
> everywhere."

> "Gone where?" I asked Manmohan. "To the United States. The story goes
> that they made use of Frieda's contacts in Boston, but there is
> obvously something fishy about this since Frieda herself went abroad
> as a student." My comic remarks about Mark were not so much what upset
> Claudia, who was all too willing to damn him herself, as something I
> said about another Catholic girl by the name of Marisa Martyres. Some
> of my student friends and I hatched a plot to keep saying "Forget
> about Mark, he's gone" whenever Marisa passed by.

> But what do I have here in front of me? The Bible! The editor's notes
> at the end say:

> "THE NEW TESTAMENT

> begins with the FOUR GOSPEL NARRATIVES, which give the life and
> teachings of the Lord Jesus Christ from four different points of view.

> MATTHEW wrote for the JEW and shows Christ as the MESSIAH and KING in
> whom, as God's anointed, were fulfilled the  prophecies of the Old
> Testament and in whom, as His Royal Law-Giver, David's Kingdom is
> arrived.

> MARK addressed the ROMANS and exhibits Christ as the MIGHTY GOD, the
> Man of divine power, the miracle-worker.

> LUKE,  whe wrote for the GREEKS, shows  Christ as the SON OF MAN and
> SERVANT OF GOD, the divine teacher and friend of the race.

> JOHN especially dwells on the DIVINE NATURE of Christ as the Son of
> God, who gives eternal life to every believer."

> So it seems Mark was the mixed up culprit who called Jesus a "mighty
> god", and once more we have to say "Forget about Mark, he's gone."

> However, on going through Mark's gospel as carefully as my patience
> permits, I find that, exactly as thewayoftruth1, Mark did not actually
> call Jesus a "mighty god". The editor has merely put down a figment of
> his own imagination into writing. But what we all do know is that all
> of Jesus Christ's miracles were spurious reports by the gospel
> writers. Therefore it is not surprising that Emperor Nero called
> Christianity a "dangerous superstition." So we might as well keep
> saying "Forget about Mark, he's gone. The whole bloody lot have gone."

> Muhammad may not have been fully aware of this, but he did challenge
> the myth of Christ's crucifiction and subsequent resurrection in the
> Quran, Surah IV, v. 157:

> "And because of their saying: We slew the Messiah Jesus son of Mary,
> Allah's messenger -- they slew him not nor crucified, but it appeared
> so among them; and lo! those who disagree concerning it are in doubt
> of thereof; they have no knowledge thereof save pursuit of a
> conjecture; they slew him not for certain."

> The rest of the quoted text goes on to show that the gospel writers,
> humbugs that they were, did not outright challenge the tenets of both
> monotheism and polytheism by electing Jesus Christ as the only god to
> be worshipped. This is true enough.

> > we all know that God is All Knowing, but the bibles show us that Jesus
> > is not, Jesus confessed that he did not know the time of the hour, but
> > only GOD knows (Matthew 24.36) so he can not be equal to God in
> > knowledge, more than that the bibles show that Jesus did not even know
> > what any farmer or a common man knows, in the story about the fig tree
> > mentioned in (Mark 11.12-25) where it says Jesus was hungry (of course
> > we can not imagine a hungry god! or God is in need for food and water
> > then will have to answer the call of nature!) and when Jesus reached
> > it he found nothing but leaves (notice that Jesus was not all Seeing
> > where God is) Jesus had to come close to see, but he found nothing
> > because it was not the season for figs" so Jesus was ignorant of the
> > season, whereas any man who lived all his life in a country will
> > surely know what is in season and what is not! and won't blame a tree
> > for having no fruits out of season, the story continues that Jesus
> > cursed the tree! and it withered! Some Christians say that the whole
> > story is a metaphor about the Jews who rejected him, of course that
> > does not make sense because of the context and St. Mark was clear when
> > he said Jesus was hungry, so Jesus was thinking about food not Jews,
> > and if it was a metaphor it means Jesus came in the wrong time and he
> > is the one to blame then, another Christians say that story proves
> > that Jesus is God because the tree was withered, now we should ask, if
> > we imagine a hungry god why he did not command the tree to give fruits
> > out of season and eat and let his disciples eat too? and why God would
> > curse a good tree that obeys his command? and if he cursed the tree
> > because of his ignorance would the power of God follows his ignorance,
> > no, God is All Wise and there is wisdom behind everything He does,
> > whether we understand it or not.

> > St. Luke tells us that Jesus increased in wisdom (Luke 2.52), and
> > Jesus learned obedience (Hebrews 5.8) but God's knowledge is always
> > perfect and God does not learn new things.

> > the bibles tell us that man is tempted when he follows his lust and
> > enticed (James 1.14), but Jesus was in all points tempted by the devil
> > (Hebrews 4.15)
> > and the bibles say that GOD cannot be tempted (James 1.13), the story
> > if temptation is mentioned in Matthew 4.1-11 where the devil asked
> > Jesus to worship him and the devil would make him a king! can we
> > imagine that the devil would dare to say such a blasphemy to his
> > creator? God is the King of the universe, to God belong the dominion
> > of the Heavens and the Earth, all glory be to God the only One who
> > deserves to be worshipped, loved and feared. everything is nothing but
> > a servant to the Most High, some are obedient servants and some are
> > disobedient, we Muslims believe that Jesus is one of the most
> > righteous servants of God, it is mentioned several times in the bibles
> > that Jesus is not God but God's servant (Acts 3.26& 4.27& 4.30)
> > that what Jesus taught his disciples and Peter declared that when he
> > said "the God of Abraham and of Isaac and of Jacob, the God of our
> > fathers, glorified his servant Jesus" (Acts 3.13).
> > May Allah join us with His pious servants.