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 More options Mar 14 2008, 9:08 am
From: "roger.pea...@googlemail.com" <roger.pea...@googlemail.com>
Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 06:08:07 -0700 (PDT)
Local: Fri, Mar 14 2008 9:08 am
Subject: Re: The Truth about Trinity!!!
On 3 Mar, 18:44, thewayoftruth1 <bicbess2...@gmail.com> wrote:

> ...trinity ...
> actually this is not true at all, firstly, because this idea (known
> also as Athanasian Creed) was founded almost three centuries after
> Jesus and was adopted by the council ofNiceain 325 A.D. after a
> great debate the majority accepted Jesus to be a god! so we can say
> that Jesus was the only god chosen democratically! and that means that
> all those who had died before the year 325 were not true Christians,

The idea that Jesus was not considered divine by the early Christians
is a modern myth, based around the idea that denying his divinity and
praising him as a gifted man is a common idea today.

But the common ideas of ancient times were different.  Jesus the man
was considered a disreputable figure, mocked by pagan (see for
instance Minucius Felix for an example).  So the common error was to
claim that he was divine, but that his humanity was only in appearance
(docetism).

If we search for the words 'Jesus' and 'Christ' in the second century
fathers, we find them routinely asserting his divinity.  I did this
for other reasons some time back, and you can find the quotes and
references here:

http://www.tertullian.org/rpearse/incarnation.html

The complete works of all these writers are online , you see, at

http://www.tertullian.org/fathers2

and many other places.

The idea that the Council of Nicaea voted Jesus as god is a crude
mistake, widely circulated and sometimes repeated in good faith by
those unfamiliar with the council.  But both sides at this council
were trinitarian.  The debate was on whether the second person of the
Trinity was of the same substance (homoousios) as the first, or of
like substance.

Links to all the ancient sources on the council can be found here:

http://www.tertullian.org/rpearse/nicaea.html

I hope that this helps.  Whatever our opinions, don't we all want to
have the raw facts straight?

All the best,

Roger Pearse


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