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Mr. C

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Feb 27, 2013, 10:14:33 PM2/27/13
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Irony in The Giver Chapter 19 (1-2 Paragraphs) 

Response to Vladimir Nabokov's ideas on the value of "re-reading" a novel 

Marion Chu (8-3)

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Feb 28, 2013, 8:24:20 PM2/28/13
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Question 1:

     After rereading chapter 19 of the Giver, i can find some ironies from the chapter, including situation and dramatic irony. There isn't any verbal irony, i think that it is because in the community, everything is strict and Jonas has taught to have manners, so we can't find sarcasm in it. I can find dramatic irony on page 150, and situation ironies on pages 146 and 150.

    There is dramatic irony on page 150, paragraphs 2-3, from "As he continued to watch....." to "But he couldn't remember where." We know that Jonas' father killed the baby, but Jonas still haven't figured it out yet, maybe because it was too shocking and Jonas only saw the similar situation once. There are also situational ironies involved in chapter 19. On page 146, paragraph 3, "The Giver's face took on a solemn look. 'I wish they wouldn't do that,' he said quietly, almost to himself." From reading what Jonas' father was talking about release, it didn't seem to be too bad. But the way the Giver reacted when Jonas talked about it seems strange, as if it's something really teriible, making us feel that something isn't right. There is also another situational irony pn page 150, paragraphs 5-6. From "Once again, as he had...." to "...He continued to star at the screen numbly. See how Jonas' father always being so nice and gentle to babies and other people, we didn't expect that he would kill a baby, with no hesitation or empathy.


Question 2:

     Reading the paragraph with Nabokov saying about rereading a book, I think that I agree to the author. When reading a book for the first time, we can't fully understand the book. By rereading it, we start to notice more details every time we read it again. More pictures in our head about the story, and noticing more detailed information. Nabokov mentions about a painting. He compares it to books, when you first look at a painting, you wouldn't be able to process the whole thing in one blink of an eye. After looking at it again for several times, you will be able to see the details, just like rereading books, similar to visual arts.

Katrina Hung(8-3)

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Mar 1, 2013, 7:30:22 AM3/1/13
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1.     1. Dramatic irony appears the most in chapter 19 of the giver. For example, the use of “precision in speech”. Characters in the novel believes that it Is a kind of training for them to be polite and learn all the words. However there is another purpose of it that they don’t know and the audience could guess. Using vocabulary with positive meanings to hide the cruel truth. For example, release. In this chapter, Jonas finds out about the true meaning of release. He thought that it was a ceremony for people to literally “go” somewhere else, but instead it was about killing and death.

“Jonas felt a ripping sensation inside himself, the feeling of terrible pain clawing its way forward to emerge in cry.” This phrase shows how shock Jonas was after watching the ceremony. However the audience knew about this all along.

 

2. Nabokov thinks that for the first time we read the book, we could not  truly understand the deep meaning of it. He says “this complicated physical work upon the book, the very process of learning in terms of space and time what the book is about….” It means that the first time we read it, it is only a physical movement, but not really understanding it. Instead we should “acquaint ourselves with it” according to Nabokov. Meaning that we should try to picture ourselves in the situation, or how the characters feel.  Nabokov links literacy appreciation to a painting because it both share the same theory. When we first observe a painting, we can only see objects on the surface, but not the deep meaning and what the artist wanted to express.



Audrey Ching (8-3)

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Mar 1, 2013, 9:05:04 AM3/1/13
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1.     In chapter 19 of the giver, there are dramatic irony and situational irony,

and there weren’t any verbal ironies in the book.

The ironies appeared when Jonas saw his Dad killing the twin. We can tell its an irony because Jonas didn’t know that being release is actually to be killed, but the audience (us) kind of realize it in the beginning. Jonas thought to be release is actually going somewhere else, and not knowing the cruel truth.

 2. Nebokuv says that re-reading a book is like painting a book as we do towards a painting, we can understand more about the book and starting to enjoy its details. I think that if you read the re-read the same book for a few times, you’ll eventually starting enjoy the book more than just reading it line by line without knowing the storyline, also you will memorize what is the book about. Nebokuv mentioned about a painting is because while painting, you have to do the first sketch which is like reading for the first time, and later on you will put on more and more colors and expressing your own feelings and that’s like re-reading the book.

 

 

 

 

 

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Nicholas/Larry (8-3)

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Mar 2, 2013, 1:33:59 AM3/2/13
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Nabokov says that “one cannot read a book” but can only be reread. Reading a book for the first time is simply moving eyes left to right. He claims that like a painting, you have to see the whole picture before you can enjoy the details.  I think it makes a little bit sense but it would be really boring to read the book for a second time and you won’t be able to get any enjoyment if you are so bored. Maybe instead, you can read a review or summary of the book first but that will just spoil the ending. This means that literary appreciation is like visual art appreciation as you need to look at the whole picture before slowly admire each bit. 

The Giver allows Jonas to watch the release, which normally isn’t allowed for kids, so this is situational irony. The Giver who usually permits discussion silences Jonas throughout the video, another example of situational irony. There is a short moment of dramatic irony, when the reader realizes that release is death a bit sooner that Jonas. There is also a bit of situational irony when Rosemary requests to release herself, when everybody else has someone else release them. 

There is no verbal irony in Chapter 19 but in the beginning of Chapter 20, Jonas says: “I will take care or that, sir. I will do whatever you like, sir. I will kill people, sir.” This is sarcasm, a form of verbal irony from Jonas.

Ray Qi (8-3)

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Mar 3, 2013, 11:34:12 PM3/3/13
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Finding Irony

 

            Rereading a book always helps the reader to realize or notice details. In Chapter 19, there are many examples of irony. On page 146, in Chapter 19, Jonas said “I’m sorry that I wasted so much time with my questions,” this sentence suggested that maybe he will just continue the lesson without talking about release. Instead, the Giver then invites Jonas to watch a small video, which recorded the small ceremony. I think that it was also a situational irony when Jonas was allowed to watch the small video. This is because both Jonas and the reader know that children are not allowed to watch the ceremony. We also did not know that ceremonies are recorded and kept in the Hall of Closed Records. At first, Jonas thought that it was too late too watch because he did not know tat all records are kept in the Hall of Closed Records, but then the Giver told him and invited him to watch.

            A very big irony in Chapter 19 is about release. It is only then we only found out the true meaning about release. Death. On pages 147 to 149, the releasing room looked very comfy and cozy. Jonas also thought that “someone” from “elsewhere” actually come and gets the baby. Instead, in the video, he finds out that his father basically kills the baby with a needle and a syringe. Before releasing the innocent baby, his father also talked by using a very cute and childish voice. This suggested that releasing a baby might be a very good and cheerful ceremony.

            In the highlighted section, the author made multiple statements about reading and rereading a book. The author sates that when we read a book, none of our organs actually take in “image” and process them. When we reread the book a few more times, our eyes start to make sense of the book. Rereading is also important if you want to clarify, re-experience or check on details of the book. The author used a painting as a comparison with a book. I think that he also meant that a book is similar to a painting because the storyline slowly decorates the “painting”. Literary appreciation is the understanding of the form and content of a book. It can be similar to art because our eyes take the whole picture and then enjoy its minor details. Same to a book, the second or third time that you read it, you will start to think back and enjoy its details.

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Ian Lau (8-3)

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Mar 3, 2013, 11:41:12 PM3/3/13
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Strategy 13-Reading a book 

Question 1 answer:

There are dramatic irony and situational irony showed in chapter 19. 

The dramatic irony that happened in page 136 and 137 is when Jonas saw his dad releasing the newborn baby. Jonas didn’t know release meant to be death, but us as an audience knew it at the first of the book.


Question 2 answer:

I agree what Nabokov said in the highlighted paragraph. When we read the book for the first time, we might not have understood what happened deeply and suspect detailed information. If we read it for the second or third time etc. we would have understand more and learn new things. 

She mentioned that the first time you read a book; you are just doing a physical movement, but not actually thinking. And if you re-read it, you are trying to picture the scene in your head. 

Ryan Kwong (8-3)

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Mar 4, 2013, 4:24:17 AM3/4/13
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2). Nadek said about reading a book was a very process of laboriously moving our eyes from left to right, lines after lines, page after page. I think that Nadek wrote the last sentence "behave towards a book as we do towards a painting!". He mention that because he want to express a book is same precious as a famous paint. Literary appreciation is people that used old things to check like old book etc. Human can use literary appreciation to check the art is that true or not.

Helen Hui (8-3)

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Mar 4, 2013, 11:03:40 AM3/4/13
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Response to Re-READING

1) Situational irony is a situation in which actions have an effect that is opposite from what is expected. In Chapter 19 in the giver, situational irony had appeared the most, the release where Jonas' father is doing for the identical twins. In the previous chapters, Jonas thought that release is a ceremony where people can "go" to elsewhere, but then it turns out that release is a ceremony of killing and deaths, which was done by his father. Situational irony appeared in this chapter.

2) In the highlighted section, where Nabokov said about re-reading the story or essays are similar to looking and admiring at the painting. When we read for the first time, we just scan through, but when we read for the second or third time, we can observe more informations that we havent notice when we are reading for the first time which is very similar to looking at the painting, visual arts.

Sam(8-3)

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Mar 4, 2013, 11:19:16 AM3/4/13
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1. There was two kind of irony in chapter 19, dramatic and situational.

    Jonas had always thought that his dad makes the baby nice and comfy while releasing them, then he found out that he could see the process of the release happened that morning. He went in the to the video with curiosity and found out release is actually killing, and his dad had been doing this everyday. How dramatic.

    While releasing, Jonas's dad had the sweet tone and words. He didn't know what he was doing, makes a normal person think he's like a cold blood killer, but again he don't know what he's doing. Really ironic situation.

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