OSX Daylight Savings Thirdparty Patch

[nahum]

Apple seem to have not only dropped the ball on this, they weren't
even looking! So here goes a third party patch.

http://www.mactcp.org.nz/nzdt.html

Cheers,
Nahum.

[Shane Mingins]

Have you installed it?

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Shane Mingins

[Nahum]

Yep, and the hundred or so macs at weta are having this applied as I
type. I know the poor sod having to apply it. :-)

Nahum.

On Sep 29, 5:42 pm, "Shane Mingins" <shane.ming...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Have you installed it?
>

[nahum]

And looking at my clock it appears to have worked too.

[Walter McGinnis]

Seems like one of those calculated trade-offs.  Piss off however many Mac users in NZ versus steal focus from finishing Leopard on time.

Or maybe it's not calculated, just a side-effect.  Getting a lot bigger due to success doesn't always lead to a smooth ride quality wise.

Cheers,

Walter

[Tim Wright]

So, IANAMU (I am not a mac user), but I don't think it would take "many resources" to take the patch developed here and give it official sanction! (or at least, have an engineer go through it to ensure it's good - it is, as my understanding goes, just a modification to the local plain-text timezone file!)

Not even doing that shows that they they simply don't care.

Tim

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[Henry Maddocks]

On 30/09/2007, at 11:12 AM, Tim Wright wrote:

> So, IANAMU (I am not a mac user), but I don't think it would take
> "many resources" to take the patch developed here and give it
> official sanction! (or at least, have an engineer go through it to
> ensure it's good - it is, as my understanding goes, just a
> modification to the local plain-text timezone file!)
>
> Not even doing that shows that they they simply don't care.

Apple's software engineering is a bit of a cluster f**k at the
moment. Maybe a combination of a lot of things, but the iPhone is
probably quite high on the list of reasons

As we all probably know, time is a bit tricky to get right on
computers and when you through in time zones it makes it even worse.
There are several places that time zones are handled in Mac OS X.
Some of then are a bit odd. Glenn's patch does a pretty good job but
today we have found that he may have missed a couple and a heap of
unrelated time zone bugs have come to light. They appear to have been
there for a while and are only obvious because everyone is paying a
bit more notice this year.

So getting a patch out of Apple wasn't going to be trivial, but they
have known about it for at least 6 months so that's no excuse.

Henry

[Walter McGinnis]

Have a friend with a Windows Mobile phone whom has his time reset every time he syncs with his PC.  The timezone issue is even sticky with Debian:

Debian Refuses To Push Timezone Update For NZ DST

I do like the late sunset though...

Cheers,

Walter

 

[Walter McGinnis]

Even with a trivial fix, I imagine the QA (OS, plus all their apps) might be non-trivial and something they would rather bundle into another update.

Anyway, having a few small bugs and features just waiting on myself to get to them (and a paying client for them), I can cut other coders some slack.

Cheers,

Walter

[Robin Benson]

What do you say that Apple is behind on it's update timetable as
Leopard and 10.4.11 cope with the change just fine?

[Orion Edwards]

Rubbish. It’s not like this is the first time any country has changed its DST rules.

They just pushed out a bajillion iSoftware updates last week and a bunch of firmware updates – if they can update the firmware on millions of macs around the world they can certainly create a patch for NZDST.

 

Plain and simple, apple suck this time. I hope it’s not an indicator of things to come.

[Joe Mahoney]

On 10/1/07, Robin Benson <pohut...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> What do you say that Apple is behind on it's update timetable as
> Leopard and 10.4.11 cope with the change just fine?

What is this 10.4.11 you speak of?

[Henry Maddocks]

The next OS point release that everyone is hanging out for,
especially if you have a MacBook Pro. It has been in seed for a while.

It has the timezone fix in it, amongst other things, but Apple
haven't released it yet.

[Robin Benson]

10.4.10 > 10.4.11 > 10.5.

10.4.10 being current.

On 1/10/2007, at 11:10 AM, Joe Mahoney wrote:

[Michael Koziarski]

> Plain and simple, apple suck this time. I hope it's not an indicator of
> things to come.

Just as a bit of a blame-spreading session. Today I couldn't check my
P O Box, the security doors weren't DST safe. The till at my
coffee-dealer also printed out the wrong time on my receipt.

Seems like lots of people have dropped the ball on this...

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Cheers

Koz

[Joe Mahoney]

On 10/1/07, Michael Koziarski <kozi...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Seems like lots of people have dropped the ball on this...

Google for one. Right now all the times in my gmail are out by an hour
and I don't seem to be able to change my timezone to +13 in google
calendar. Anyone else experiencing this?

Joe

[Tomek Piątek]

In Google calendar go to Settings, tick "Display all time zones" and select "Tongatapu" from the menu.

-t

[Joe Mahoney]

yeah, I meant change it for NZ. I shouldn't really have to do that
though. This hasn't happened in gmail before.

Joe

[Robin Benson]

I think it is an indicator of things to come.

Maybe not explicitly in connection with DST (at least for a while)
but in other ways. I'd just like an option to have a built-in
International Dictionary with aluminium spelt correctly, but I'm not
holding my breath ...

NZ is a small market in the world. We can't expect everybody to get
it right for us all the time. That's the reality. I'm not suggesting
that the implications can't be quite far-reaching, but if we set
aside bruised egos (the product of perceived arrogance) then it's a
matter of recording the fact that this could have been handled better
and getting on. I am pretty disappointed - for example - that Apple's
representatives (you know who) in this part of the world have not
lobbied harder for this to be handled better - or are they just
ticket-clippers? Maybe they did? Does anybody know?

A client of mine called this whole thing Y2K7!

Robin

[Shane Mingins]

That then changes all my appointments by an hour in the view ... so an
appointment for 8am gets set to 9am :-(

I guess we have to do more than LOTR to be considered significant ;-)

[Joe Mahoney]

Today gmail/calendar seems to be working. Was it just me?

Joe

[Shane Mingins]

Well I was getting sms reminders an hour later this morning

On 10/2/07, Joe Mahoney <cheers...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> Today gmail/calendar seems to be working. Was it just me?
>
> Joe
>
> >
>

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Shane Mingins

[Walter McGinnis]

I applied the third party stuff and have a few kernal panics since.  Seems tied to specific behavior (ah, yes, spelling is relative and I revel in it!), but not sure what exactly.  So beware.

Course it could be the EyeTV update I installed last week, or the numerous Apple ones that have come out, too...

Cheers,

Walter

 

[Henry Maddocks]

Do you mind emailing me your panic log?

[Walter McGinnis]

On its way in a private email...