IE Testing

[Christopher Merle]

I now have a Mac again. And I'm getting up to speed on it's development tools. One of the things I need to do is to be able to test websites using Firefox, Chrome and Internet Explorer (I've never had a need to test Opera). For IE I found this link how to use VirtualBox and where to get images for IE's 7, 8, and 9. When I ran the curl command to grab the VM images from github it took about 8 hours.

Internet Explorer for Mac the Easy Way: Run IE 7, IE8, & IE9 Free in a Virtual Machine
http://osxdaily.com/2011/09/04/internet-explorer-for-mac-ie7-ie8-ie-9-free/

Chris

PS - At the very end of the article there's a link how you can test IE 6 if you absolutely must.

[Chris N.]

Any thoughts re the most efficient & effective guides/tools/methods for
developing a decent understanding of Django?

So far I:
- have gone partway through the "Tutorial" at
https://docs.djangoproject.com/en/dev/
- am on chapter 4 of version 2.0 of "The Django Book" at
http://djangobook.com/en/2.0/

To help you make recommendation(s), please let me say something about
the kinds of books or instructional tools that I usually prefer:

- I think if a 'tutorial' mostly walks you through the steps of
developing *one specific application* instead of explaining the
fundamental principles in such a way that you can intelligently mix,
vary, and improvise to make what you actually want, then it's not really
a 'tutorial', it's a sales pitch.
- I like a book that explains and judiciously illustrates the
principles of a subject so that the reader can improvise the specific
applications of the principles as appropriate to the reader's
circumstances and needs, better than I like a book with a title like
"FOO Cookbook".[footnote 1]
- I like a physics textbook better than I like a book with a name
like "1090 Physics Problems Solved!"
- I don't think a book that takes 10x as many words to tediously
over-'explain' a concept in a manner that implies the audience must be
complete morons is automatically 10x better. In fact, it takes time to
read a book, and the more efficiently the reader's time is used, the better.

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[Chris Niswander (RE TuPLE Google Group)]

Sorry, I changed the thread topic by accidentally making my last message
a reply. This email should fix it.

On 12/24/2011 05:26 PM, Chris N. wrote:
> Any thoughts re the most efficient & effective guides/tools/methods for
> developing a decent understanding of Django?

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[Chris Niswander (RE TuPLE Google Group)]

Any thoughts re the most efficient & effective guides/tools/methods for
developing a decent understanding of Django?

So far I:

- have gone partway through the "Tutorial" at
https://docs.djangoproject.com/en/dev/
- am on chapter 4 of version 2.0 of "The Django Book" at
http://djangobook.com/en/2.0/

To help you make recommendation(s), please let me say something about
the kinds of books or instructional tools that I usually prefer:

- I think if a 'tutorial' mostly walks you through the steps of
developing *one specific application* instead of explaining the
fundamental principles in such a way that you can intelligently mix,
vary, and improvise to make what you actually want, then it's not really
a 'tutorial', it's a sales pitch.
- I like a book that explains and judiciously illustrates the
principles of a subject so that the reader can improvise the specific
applications of the principles as appropriate to the reader's
circumstances and needs, better than I like a book with a title like
"FOO Cookbook".[footnote 1]
- I like a physics textbook better than I like a book with a name
like "1090 Physics Problems Solved!"
- I don't think a book that takes 10x as many words to tediously
over-'explain' a concept in a manner that implies the audience must be
complete morons is automatically 10x better. In fact, it takes time to
read a book, and the more efficiently the reader's time is used, the better.

[Chris Niswander (RE TuPLE Google Group)]

Summary: now Google Groups software will use similarity of emails to
decide to do the wrong thing.

Yesterday I posted an email about learning Django, *accidentally* making
it a reply to an email by Chris Merle, which changed the thread topic in
the Web UI for viewing the Google Group.

Now if I post a similar email NOT as a reply, Google Group software just
*decides* that is *is* a reply in that other email's thread, and changes
the title of Chris Merle's thread again. Stupid pseudo-smart software.

Obviously I should have a part-time job as a tester for Google?

Attempts to make software smart will always turn out to produce only
pseudo-semi-smart software that will help people get into more trouble
and refuse to let people fix it?

On 12/25/2011 03:27 AM, Chris Niswander (RE TuPLE Google Group) wrote:
>
> Any thoughts re the most efficient & effective guides/tools/methods for

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[Lucas Taylor]

Nice find. You might also be interested in a few web-based services:

Adobe Browserlab: https://browserlab.adobe.com/en-us/index.html

 - Free for now, but I've had issues with this tool...a bit clunky and difficult to use if your site requires digest/basic authentication. Takes screenshots of your pages, so you can't test out interactivity.

BrowserStack: http://www.browserstack.com/

 - 60minutes free, Runs browsers in a VM, fully interactive and you have access to firebug and IE dev tools. This has been the most useful to me. I like that you can either purchase a monthly unlimited subscription, or pay for a block of time to use over the course of a year.

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