How to solve the unsatisfying SEO problem with TiddlyWikis used for web publishing
schilke
seem to be any satisfying solution - or at least conclusion - so I
will start this new thread to collect the related threads, solutions,
reaquests and suggestions at one point.
This might help not to forget about it and at least to point out the
possibilities and/or work arounds for later inclusion into the
tiddlywiki.org wiki.
Here's the thread which had been the trigger for this approach:
"Google sitemap again"
http://groups.google.com/group/TiddlyWiki/browse_frm/thread/9ae489df5c69f19f
A search in all three groups gives a quick overview about the issue:
"seo" in "TiddlyWiki "
http://groups.google.com/group/TiddlyWiki/search?q=seo&start=0&scoring=d&
"seo" in "GTD TiddlyWiki"
http://groups.google.com/group/GTD-TiddlyWiki/search?q=seo&start=0&scoring=d&
"seo" in "TiddlyWikiDev"
http://groups.google.com/group/TiddlyWikiDev/search?q=seo&start=0&scoring=d&
(You might also search for "(web) publishing", "sitemap" and related
terms)
I've already thrown in a few ideas but I'm also re-thinking the
problem but I'm a bit short on time at the moment. Just wanted to
redirect it into the [dev] group to gather some more ideas.
--s
FND
That's much appreciated.
However, I think what's needed is a refactoring (i.e. summary) of the
previous threads. I doubt many people will go back to reading those
lengthy discussions
So what we'd need here are tangible facts or suggestions...
Any volunteers?
-- F.
schilke
> previous threads. I doubt many people will go back to reading those
> lengthy discussions
> So what we'd need here are tangible facts or suggestions...
> Any volunteers?
We should consider using a more convenient workplace as GGroups itself
allows no editing and crosslinking is just too complicated. Any better
suggestions? tiddlywiki.org perhaps?
My problem is time - I could easily add a few bits - but if I have to
sort and arrange them before posting...
--s
FND
> allows no editing and crosslinking is just too complicated. Any better
> suggestions? tiddlywiki.org perhaps?
Of course, that's what the wiki is there for; collecting and summarizing
the community's knowledge.
Let's start here:
http://www.tiddlywiki.org/wiki/Dev:SEO
(Note that [[Dev:SEO]] is to be different from [[SEO]]; the former lays
out the concepts for core enhancements, whereas the latter provides
solutions for end users.)
> My problem is time - I could easily add a few bits - but if I have to
> sort and arrange them before posting...
Take your time; add a few bits whenever you have time and/or come across
related information. It's a wiki, so it doesn't have to be perfect right
from the start (cf. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Be_bold).
-- F.
Saq Imtiaz
Saq
Tiddly Learning ( http://lewcid.org ): TiddlyWiki news, plugins, themes and educational usage
FND
> about I'll post here and FredBot can move the content over? ;)
Refactoring discussion results is not the most fun thing to do, but I'll
see what I can do. (Though someone more ... personally involved in this
whole SEO issue might be more qualified for this task.)
I understand I'd be paid in SLOC?
-- F.
Greg
For editing, the html could be rendered as wiki text. This would have
a lot of other benefits too.
On Oct 24, 4:55 am, schilke <googlegroups.tt.ch...@xoxy.net> wrote:
> There have been many discussions around this problem but there doesn't
> seem to be any satisfying solution - or at least conclusion - so I
> will start this new thread to collect the related threads, solutions,
> reaquests and suggestions at one point.
> This might help not to forget about it and at least to point out the
> possibilities and/or work arounds for later inclusion into the
> tiddlywiki.org wiki.
>
> Here's the thread which had been the trigger for this approach:
> "Google sitemap again"http://groups.google.com/group/TiddlyWiki/browse_frm/thread/9ae489df5...
>
> A search in all three groups gives a quick overview about the issue:
> "seo" in "TiddlyWiki "http://groups.google.com/group/TiddlyWiki/search?q=seo&start=0&scorin...
> "seo" in "GTD TiddlyWiki"http://groups.google.com/group/GTD-TiddlyWiki/search?q=seo&start=0&sc...
> "seo" in "TiddlyWikiDev"http://groups.google.com/group/TiddlyWikiDev/search?q=seo&start=0&sco...
schilke
oh, that's exactly what already happens anyway. (Tiddly)Wiki markup is
just a help for creating/editing tiddlers - everything will be turned
into html in the end (except the javascript of course).
--s
Daniel Baird
I'm kinda skimming this thread, but in a regular TW, Google will
definitely just see the wiki markup. Maybe you're talking about some
plugin though, sorry if I'm skipping some bits :)
;D
--
Daniel Baird
Q: If a pizza has radius z and thickness a, what is the volume?
A: pi z z a
schilke
yes, of course, you're right (I should've been concentrating on my
work here- mixed things up while hacking some php stuff in between...)
The Google spiders will see something like that (visiting
tiddlywiki.com):
http://gtd-tiddlywiki.googlegroups.com/web/tiddlywiki_com_plain.html
Anyway I doubt it would help a lot to serve html instead of the wiki
markup - as long as the whole document is a mess in terms of the
doctype declaration. Except: for the external links it might be
helpful somewhat.
If the calculated relevance does not increase there are minor chances
to get the stuff properly indexed (not to mention the ranking within
any results).
--s
Daniel Baird
a fairly significant step forward. Maybe there's some tiddler store
encoding that uses proper links for external links.
That mightn't benefit the site itself, but it'd be great for
tiddlywiki.com and other places tiddlywiki sites often link to.
tiddlywiki.com could achieve it's rightful place as the first result
for a search against "wiki" :)
;Daniel
On 30/10/2007, schilke <googlegrou...@xoxy.net> wrote:
>
Greg
markup?
On Oct 30, 7:44 am, "Daniel Baird" <danielba...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I think having links properly encoded, as <a href=""> links, would be
> a fairly significant step forward. Maybe there's some tiddler store
> encoding that uses proper links for external links.
>
> That mightn't benefit the site itself, but it'd be great for
> tiddlywiki.com and other places tiddlywiki sites often link to.
> tiddlywiki.com could achieve it's rightful place as the first result
> for a search against "wiki" :)
>
> ;Daniel
>
Ken Girard
var theLink = document.createElement("a");
theLink.className = "externalLink";
theLink.href = url;
theLink.title = config.messages.externalLinkTooltip.format([url]);
if(config.options.chkOpenInNewWindow)
theLink.target = "_blank";
place.appendChild(theLink);
return theLink;
}
is what TW uses, but what if you used a plugin to write over <<href
http://tiddlywiki.com|TiddlyWiki>> with a proper href. Would that be
possible? Doesn't InstantTimestamp do something like that? Write over
the macro I mean, not create a link.
Among other things it means that I can post a link to a site that gets
counted (correct href), or I can post links that do not get counted.
Kind of TWs own selective varient on the no-follow rule. Might be real
nice when I am pointing out a good website vs bad website.
Ken Girard
On Oct 30, 7:44 am, "Daniel Baird" <danielba...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I think having links properly encoded, as <a href=""> links, would be
> a fairly significant step forward. Maybe there's some tiddler store
> encoding that uses proper links for external links.
>
> That mightn't benefit the site itself, but it'd be great for
> tiddlywiki.com and other places tiddlywiki sites often link to.
> tiddlywiki.com could achieve it's rightful place as the first result
> for a search against "wiki" :)
>
> ;Daniel
>
> On 30/10/2007, schilke <googlegroups.tt.ch...@xoxy.net> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > > in a regular TW, Google will definitely just see the wiki markup
>
> > yes, of course, you're right (I should've been concentrating on my
> > work here- mixed things up while hacking some php stuff in between...)
>
> > The Google spiders will see something like that (visiting
> > tiddlywiki.com):
> >http://gtd-tiddlywiki.googlegroups.com/web/tiddlywiki_com_plain.html
>
> > Anyway I doubt it would help a lot to serve html instead of the wiki
> > markup - as long as the whole document is a mess in terms of the
> > doctype declaration. Except: for the external links it might be
> > helpful somewhat.
> > If the calculated relevance does not increase there are minor chances
> > to get the stuff properly indexed (not to mention the ranking within
> > any results).
>
> > --s
>
> --
> Daniel Baird
> Q: If a pizza has radius z and thickness a, what is the volume?
> A: pi z z a- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
kev
- to start to build a "facts only" page to collate the main points. I
notice that some web forums have started to ask users to mark a thread
as solved so the administrator can create a solutions FAQ. This fact
database is an area where the Tiddlywiki Big Brother needs to be used
so that changes and edits can be properly tracked. Just a thought.
Ken Girard
list the title of a tiddler in such a way that bots ignore it.
Specifically the tiddler title is stored in the <div> declaration as:
<div title="AutoSave" modifier="JeremyRuston" created="200508181342"
tags="options">
This means that the words write in the title and leave the text area
blank, then the bot never knows that those words are contained in the
TW.
<div title="I love cheese" modifier="KenGirard"
created="200711171015">
<pre>I really do</pre>
</div>
All the bots are seeing is "I really do".They will never know I love
cheese.
A possible solution: Have a view-only text area that uses the
something like the current config.views.editor's defaultText: "Type
the text for '%0' " to write the tiddler title into the tiddler as
something like
<div class="tiddlerTitle"><h1>'%0'</h1></div>
in a div located before the <pre> tag as a replacement for
<div class='title' macro='view title'></div>
in the view template.... but it would have to do this each and every
time the tiddler is edited/saved so that the title is always up-to-
date.
Ken Girard
On Oct 24, 3:55 am, schilke <googlegroups.tt.ch...@xoxy.net> wrote:
> There have been many discussions around this problem but there doesn't
> seem to be any satisfying solution - or at least conclusion - so I
> will start this new thread to collect the related threads, solutions,
> reaquests and suggestions at one point.
> This might help not to forget about it and at least to point out the
> possibilities and/or work arounds for later inclusion into the
> tiddlywiki.org wiki.
>
> Here's the thread which had been the trigger for this approach:
> A search in all three groups gives a quick overview about the issue:
> "seo" in "TiddlyWikiDev"http://groups.google.com/group/TiddlyWikiDev/search?q=seo&start=0&sco...