FiddlyWiki

[Rich]

!What is ~FiddlyWiki?
FiddlyWiki is themed and plugged in version of TiddlyWiki available at
http://way.net/FiddlyWiki/FiddlyWiki.html. The default theme,
SeaAndSand, and the plugins included, are mostly geared toward an
academic user in the humanities or social sciences (like me!) rather
than a computer scientist. The goal is to make it useful as an
everyday notepad for working out and connecting ideas, and charting
out things to do in a simple, efficient fashion without having to know
any code or markup. The [[GTD method|http://shared.snapgrid.com/]] is
for the getting things done part too, but it is a little frightening.
~FiddlyWiki is a lot simpler, more a scratchpad than a method of
living. None of the ToDo or task oriented plugins are included. The
reason for this is I believe in [[modularity]], and I have other
modules that do these things better.

One of the biggest differences, and probably the main reason I am
offering it, is that all tiddlers open at the top. This is much more
intuitive to me than the default practice of opening some tiddlers
above the one you are reading and some below. The advantage is
orientation. You are always surrounded by familiar useful stuff. No
more scrolling up the page when you close a tiddler...You are always
already there. Although it might counterintuitive without trying it,
once you try it it, the value becomes clear, at least I think so
anyway. Its much easier to just try it than to understand it by
explanation. The open on top function was generously written by Saq
Imtiaz when I put a request for it on the TiddlyDev Google group. The
result is the plugin OpenTopPlugin, which you can try for yourself
without downloading the rest of FiddlyWiki if you wish.

So really what I want FiddlyWiki to be is a glorified scratchpad that
has the ability to connect different scratches in a non-linear
fashion. To be useful, it has to be searchable, both within (hence
the use of the YourSearchPlugin, which greatly expands the builtin
search functions) and by a [[desktop search engine|X1Search]]. Tags
are nice for finding stuff you have already thought about, when you
remember them, but what about things you think of that are not
structured along the lines of the tags? Making things heartily full
text searchable accounts for what hypertext pioneer Ted Nelson calls
the [[Intertwingularity|InterTwingularity]] of knowledge.

Some Other Plugins: The ability to take html exportable snapshots with
the SnapShotPlugin makes it easy to send out somewhat finished looking
things from FiddlyWiki. Whatever tiddlers are open get exported to a
straight html/css (no javascript) file. The QOTD plugin has been
rigged up with Brian Eno's Oblique strategies. You can import/export
between moodle, TWiki, and MediaWiki formats.

The other plugins can be found in the backstage area of tiddlywiki

If you already have content in your TiddlyWIki and want to switch to
FiddlyWIki, I am pretty sure this upgrade method will work:

* Download via right click/save as FiddlyWiki from
http://way.net/FiddlyWiki/FiddlyWiki.html and save it locally.
* Download a fresh, empty version of TiddlyWiki by right-clicking
on this link http://www.tiddlywiki.com/empty.html, selecting 'Save
target' or 'Save link' and saving it in a convenient location as (say)
"mynewtiddlywiki.html"
* Open the new TiddlyWiki file in your browser
* Choose import from the BackstageArea at the top of the window
(you may need to click the 'backstage' button at the upper right to
show the BackstageArea)
* Click the browse button and select FiddlyWiki.html file from
the file browser
* Click the open button on the import wizard; a list of all of
your tiddlers is displayed.
* Click on the top-left checkbox to select all the tiddlers in the
list
* Scroll down to the bottom of the wizard and ensure that the
checkbox labeled Keep these tiddlers linked to this server... is clear
* Click the import button

The most likely cause of the upgrade process not working properly is
that one of the Plugins you're using is not compatible with a change
in the new release. If so, you can repeat the process omitting the
troublesome plugins.

[Dave Gifford - http://www.giffmex.org/]

Hi Rich

I love the Sand and Sea theme. Very attractive! Definitely one of the
nicest themes I've seen for TW.

I also like the open on top aspect better than the 'open under the
current location' approach of TW. Way to go.

I think tag clouds should be used for showing relative frequency of
data, not for straightforward lists, so I think your FW would be
better served with a simple list in the MainMenu, I just used tag
clouds in a project of my own (http://www.giffmex.org/nttag/
1petertags.html), but I only expect the user to use the tag cloud as a
visual aid, and I provide the actual list below it. From my
perspective, the different sizes and thicknesses of the texts in the
tag cloud in your FW make it harder to find what I need. But that's
just my opinion.

My main observation is that you seem to want users to download
FiddlyWiki but I couldn't find instructions in FW itself, only in your
post above. I even did a search for 'Download'. You need to make that
simple, short and prominent in your FW.

Again, great job on the theme and the open on top. Way to go!

Dave

[Eric Shulman]

> One of the biggest differences, and probably the main reason I am
> offering it, is that all tiddlers open at the top.

> ...
> no more scrolling up the page when you close a tiddler...
> ...

see
http://www.TiddlyTools.com/#SinglePageModePlugin

This widely-used plugin lets you view tiddlers is several different
'modes':
* open at top
* open at bottom
* open one tiddler at a time ('single page mode')

When using single-page mode, rather than accumulating open tiddlers in
the story column, any tiddlers that are being displayed are
automatically closed when another tiddler is opened so that navigation
between tiddlers content works much more like a traditional website
that transitions from page to page, showing only one page at a time.

Also, as you navigate from tiddler to tiddler in single-page mode, the
plugin will automatically add a 'permalink' for the current tiddler to
the document URL, so that your readers can easily create a bookmark
for the current tiddler, and can even use the browser's back/forward
buttons to move through the 'history' of tiddlers that have been
viewed.

You might also want to consider
http://www.TiddlyTools.com/#BreadcrumbsPlugin
which keeps track of the tiddlers you have visited during the current
session and dynamically renders a list of TiddlyLinks that can be used
a 'breadcrumbs' to find your way back to any tiddler that had been
previously displayed, even if it has been closed and is no longer
showing. Combined with single-page mode, the breadcrumbs display
makes it much easier to navigate through a TW document without getting
confused or lost.

> To be useful, it has to be searchable, both within (hence
> the use of the YourSearchPlugin, which greatly expands the builtin
> search functions)

see also
http://www.TiddlyTools.com/#SearchOptionsPlugin

Although not nearly as sophisticated (nor as large) as
YourSearchPlugin, the SearchOptionsPlugin nonetheless adds
considerable enhancements to the TW core search functionality,
including the ability to generate and render a SearchResults list,
contained either in a fixed-location temporary display (generally at
the top of the story column), or written as a fully-compatible auto-
generated tiddler that can then be edited, copied, and saved.

Features include:
* selective searches in titles, text, tags, fields, and shadows
* sort SearchResults by date (most recent first),
* 'search again' form included in SearchResults (to refine searches)
* <<search>> macro (invokes hard-coded search and embed output in
tiddler content)
* [search[keyword]] wiki syntax (creates a link that invokes a search)

enjoy,
-e
Eric Shulman
TiddlyTools / ELS Design Studios

[Amzg]

Wrote a long post that ..poof!

Briefly;

Good effort. Great name.
Ditto previous posted comments on tagclouds and search plugin.
Unconventional with external links in main menu.
Reconsider mentioning such a special concept as GTD in intro, as what
you *don't* use. And more info probably needed for that tab-variant
that you do feature.

/Mat

On Sep 8, 6:51 am, Eric Shulman <elsdes...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > One of the biggest differences, and probably the main reason I am
> > offering it, is that all tiddlers open at the top.
> > ...
> > no more scrolling up the page when you close a tiddler...
> > ...
>

> seehttp://www.TiddlyTools.com/#SinglePageModePlugin

[Alex Hough]

like the oblique strategies.
Also, the tiddler opening on top - fits in well with the natural way
attention works.

Feels like a good day for TiddlyDeisgn, - this and Dave's new one in one day.

2008/9/8 Amzg <matia...@gmail.com>:

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[Rich]

updated FiddlyWiki to v. 1.1 at http://way.net/FiddlyWiki taking many
of yr comments into account...will answer more in a while on specifics
above...thnx fr grt feedback...gotta run...

[Morris Gray]

Hi Rich,

You've got a similar problem that I had with the TiddlyWiki jumping to
the top when you click on one of your newly modified links in MainMenu
via a popup. I pinned it down to TiddlerBarPlugin as I said in this
thread. http://tinyurl.com/6yczxs Eric gave me a fix that I couldn't
get working but I fixed myself by deleting the offending part of the
code and adding lewcid's OpenTopPlugin to the code. To save you the
trouble you can get the modified and renamed (monogramed :-)
TiddlersBarPlugin from my site here:

http://twhelp.tiddlyspot.com/#TiddlersBarPluginMG


Morris Gray
http://twhelp.tiddlyspot.com
A TiddlyWiki help file for beginners
http://sidebarpluginvault.tiddlyspot.com
World's largest squeezable TW plugin database


On Sep 9, 11:05 am, Rich <rich.r...@gmail.com> wrote:
> updated FiddlyWiki to v. 1.1 athttp://way.net/FiddlyWikitaking many

[Morris Gray]

Whoops don't try this until further notice !!!

Morris

On Sep 9, 1:43 pm, Morris Gray <msg...@symbex.net.au> wrote:
> Hi Rich,
>
> You've got a similar problem that I had with the TiddlyWiki jumping to
> the top when you click on one of your newly modified links in MainMenu
> via a popup. I pinned it down to TiddlerBarPlugin as I said in this

> thread.http://tinyurl.com/6yczxs Eric gave me a fix that I couldn't

> get working but I fixed myself by deleting the offending part of the
> code and adding lewcid's OpenTopPlugin to the code. To save you the
> trouble you can get the modified and renamed (monogramed :-)
> TiddlersBarPlugin from my site here:
>
> http://twhelp.tiddlyspot.com/#TiddlersBarPluginMG
>

> Morris Grayhttp://twhelp.tiddlyspot.com
> A TiddlyWiki help file for beginnershttp://sidebarpluginvault.tiddlyspot.com

[Rich]

> I think tag clouds should be used for showing relative frequency of
> data, not for straightforward lists, so I think your FW would be
> better served with a simple list

ok, I changed this...I'd like to get the font smaller on the tags
list, but can't figure out how to do that in the style sheet, as there
seems to be no wiki markup way of making text smaller or larger and I
am not sure what I'd need to put in the style sheet and in the tiddler
to achieve this...I'd like to see it .85 em like the tabs on the right
sidebar.

> Unconventional with external links in main menu.

They are there mostly for me, because I go to my site (way.net) from
tiddly wiki often. In the public version it is a way for me to put in
a plug from my music...easy enough to replace them with something more
useful or just delete them and lave the tags and the link to the tab
menu, but if you like laptop mangled guitar over bass and beats, give
it a listen!

> My main observation is that you seem to want users to download

> FiddlyWiki but I couldn't find instructions in FW itself.

doh...I fixed this...http://way.net/FiddlyWiki

> Reconsider mentioning such a special concept as GTD in intro, as what
> you *don't* use. And more info probably needed for that tab-variant
> that you do feature.

This is updated...I wrote that mainly for myself, which is also why
download instructions weren't there...not quite ready for prime
time...I put in brief instructions for the tabs too on the getting
started page.

> This widely-used plugin lets you view tiddlers is several different
> 'modes':
> * open at top
> * open at bottom
> * open one tiddler at a time ('single page mode')

> Also, as you navigate from tiddler to tiddler in single-page mode, the
> plugin will automatically add a 'permalink' for the current tiddler to
> the document URL, so that your readers can easily create a bookmark

Eric, I use a bunch of your plugins in FiddlyWiki...(SaveAsPlugin,
SnapshotPlugin, SystemInfoPlugin, TagCloudPlugin, TidIDEPlugin, the
tweaker)... It wouldn't be possible without them. Thanks for all
sharing all your great work with us all. I messed around with
SinglePageModePlugin but it doesn't really do anything now that I've
gone to the tabbed interface. The tabs also seem to cover the same
territory as the breadcrumbs, so I decided to let that go...Even
without the tabs, my thinking was that if you leave a trail of open
tiddlers below, the process of chunking up and down that I talk about
in the background FiddlyWiki tiddlers means that you would work back
through the open tiddlers in the process of chunking, closing them as
you got the big picture of what you want. It's probably just my work
habits, but I just leave tiddlers open and work my way back through
them when I am writing or retrieving stuff from TW, the breadcrumbs
actually confused me a bit sometimes...probably just my workstyle, but
I let them go. For the search function, the main thing I want is KWIC
(key word in context), cuz I can't always remember what's in a tiddler
by what I named it. It would be nice to have some of the formatted
search results and so forth, but it did not seem like it could be
combined with the YourSearch plug and I need the KWIC.

I appreciate all the constructive comments (and the compliments!) and
welcome any more feedback. Especially if anyone can answer the font
size thing, which I am guessing is actually pretty simple, but has
stumped me so far.

[Rich]

On Sep 8, 5:43 pm, Morris Gray <msg...@symbex.net.au> wrote:

> You've got a similar problem that I had with the TiddlyWiki jumping to
> the top when you click on one of your newly modified links in MainMenu
> via a popup.  

Hi Morris...I'm not seeing the problem at all...Is it in Firefox?
Could you explain in a little more detail what the problem is so I can
replicate it?

~Rich

[wolfgang]

Hi Rich,

compliments on you're FiddlyWiki theme contribution. It's really nice.
I like the colors but personally would change to a sans-serif font for
screen work.
Also I would suggest placing the right hand side bar tabs slider into
the SideBarTabs shadowed tiddler and style it as the SideBarOption
tiddler. Since, especially with a serif font, its content becomes so
small and difficult to read.
Nice to see you changed from OpenTop to TiddlersBarPlugin. The problem
Morris mentioned only happens if you click on a lower tag dropdown in
your MainMenu, where you had to scroll down to begin with: then the
display instantly jumps to the top of the screen and the just opened
popup out of sight (and you have to scroll down again to actually see
and use the popup).

Dave just added a differing colors and font sizes for TagCloudPlugin
to one of his new TiddlyWiki and you'll find his styling there:

http://www.giffmex.org/nttag/1petertags.html#StyleSheet

Also could save some screen estate by using the DefaultTiddlers to
open those 6 tiddlers, instead of placing them into one.

Keep up the good work,

Best wishes..

W.

[Morris Gray]

Hi Rich,

I just went to your site to see your changes and after scrolling down
looking at your tags in the left column clicked on one. Immediately
it jumped to the top and left the popup open out of sight way down the
page. Not across the bottom like your earlier problem caused by
editing the shadow tiddler but opened properly. I've since found out
the fix I did for myself doesn't work on your site for some reason
(don't even try it because it freezes your FiddlyWiki :-)

I am using Firefox but also checked it in IE7 and it does the same
thing. Maybe someone else should try it too.

Morris

[Dave Gifford - http://www.giffmex.org/]

>...I'd like to get the font smaller on the tags
> list, but can't figure out how to do that in the style sheet, as there
> seems to be no wiki markup way of making text smaller or larger and I
> am not sure what I'd need to put in the style sheet and in the tiddler
> to achieve this...I'd like to see it .85 em like the tabs on the right
> sidebar.

Try this in your stylesheet
#mainMenu .tiddlyLinkExisting, .tiddlyLinkNonExisting {
font-size: .85em;
}

[Dave Gifford - http://www.giffmex.org/]

Also you might want to wrap the css part of your stylesheet with

/*{{{*/

and

/*}}}*/

Dave

[Rich]

On Sep 8, 10:50 pm, "Dave Gifford - http://www.giffmex.org/"

I did it but I don't know what it does :^)

Also
* removed tabs-within tabs,
* styled tags in main menu to be smaller,
* changed all fonts except for tiddler and editor text to san-serif.
For reading lots of stuff, serifs are easier on the eye, but for
headings and that sort of thing, san-serif are obviously clearer I can
see.

I see the problem with the popup scrolling back up, but have no idea
how to fix it. Can anyone help on this?

I am not sure I understand about putting the tab slider from sidebar
in to sidebar options, but perhaps changing the font solves the
problem?

version 1.02 is up at http://way.net/FiddlyWiki

Thanks for the feedback!

[Morris Gray]

> I see the problem with the popup scrolling back up, but have no idea
> how to fix it. Can anyone help on this?

It is TiddlersBarPlugin causing the problem it is discussed here.
http://tinyurl.com/6yczxs

It's this line of code near the bottom it the plugin.

ensureVisible=function (e) {return 0} //disable bottom scrolling (not
useful now)

You can temporarily fix the problem by deleting that line, saving and
reloading. You are using OpenTopPlugin which will take the place of
that line for opening at the top until the author finds another fix
for it.

Morris



On Sep 10, 12:30 pm, Rich <rich.r...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Sep 8, 10:50 pm, "Dave Gifford -http://www.giffmex.org/"

> version 1.02 is up athttp://way.net/FiddlyWiki
>
> Thanks for the feedback!

[Rich]

On Sep 9, 6:14 pm, Morris Gray <msg...@symbex.net.au> wrote:
> > I see the problem with the popup scrolling back up, but have no idea
> > how to fix it.  Can anyone help on this?
>

> It is TiddlersBarPlugin causing the problem it is discussed here.http://tinyurl.com/6yczxs

ok, got it -- thanks Morris..new version is online at http://way.net/FiddlyWiki
~Rich

[Rich]

FiddlyWiki updated to 1.03...1.03 9/9/08

* fixed empty tiddler bug
* typos caught
* snapshot plugin removed (wasn't working the way I thought it
would).

http://way.netFiddlyWiki

[Rich]

[Robert Pollard]

Rich

Thanks for your work with FiddlyWiki.

I have a couple of comments / suggestions:

1. It would be good to include a brief description of TiddlyWiki in the TiddlyWiki tiddler and a link to TiddlyWiki, with the version # displayed,  in the Main Menu - eg at the bottom.

2. I was interested in your discussion of open, closed and leaky systems, and it might be useful - in the tiddlers of both TiddlyWiki and FiddlyWiki to highlight how the TiddlyWiki platform is an excellent example of an open system - and also to include tiddlers on Open Source and Creative Commons

3. While I agree that YourSearchPlugin is a significant improvement on the core search, I find Morris Gray's TwHelpSearch Plugin - http://twhelp.tiddlyspot.com/#TwHelpSearchPlugin is a significant improvement over YourSearchPlugin, particularly when editing a TW page.

Robert
www.climate-change-two.net/garden

[Rich]

Thanks for your comments!

On Sep 10, 5:27 am, "Robert Pollard" <ecology2...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Rich
>
> Thanks for your work with FiddlyWiki.
>
> I have a couple of comments / suggestions:
>
> 1. It would be good to include a brief description of TiddlyWiki in the
> TiddlyWiki tiddler and a link to TiddlyWiki, with the version # displayed,
> in the Main Menu - eg at the bottom.

There is a prominent link to the tiddlywiki web site on the getting
started page..no need for me to reinvent what is already there...

>
> 2. I was interested in your discussion of open, closed and leaky systems,
> and it might be useful - in the tiddlers of both TiddlyWiki and FiddlyWiki
> to highlight how the TiddlyWiki platform is an excellent example of an open
> system - and also to include tiddlers on Open Source and Creative Commons

Thanks, It is an excellent open system approach I think. I have a
whole pile of stuff on open software that I took out of the
distributed version because I am still working on it including CC,
GNU, and open source. If I ever finish it, I'll include it in the
distro...

>
> 3. While I agree that YourSearchPlugin is a significant improvement on the

> core search, I find Morris Gray's TwHelpSearch Plugin -http://twhelp.tiddlyspot.com/#TwHelpSearchPluginis a significant

> improvement over YourSearchPlugin, particularly when editing a TW page.
>

I have hundreds of pages of notes in the FiddlyWiki that I use for
myself and I use it to find notes for which I probably won't remember
under what title I filed them, so I need key word in context (KWIC)
searching...because of what Ted Nelson calls the intertwingularity of
large hypertexts. If someone else prefers the other search plugins
its easy enough to swap them out, but for what I am doing, YourSearch
is still the best because of KWIC.

Cheers!
Rich
> Robertwww.climate-change-two.net/garden
>

[Rich]

Thanks for your comments!

On Sep 10, 5:27 am, "Robert Pollard" <ecology2...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Rich
>
> Thanks for your work with FiddlyWiki.
>
> I have a couple of comments / suggestions:
>
> 1. It would be good to include a brief description of TiddlyWiki in the
> TiddlyWiki tiddler and a link to TiddlyWiki, with the version # displayed,
> in the Main Menu - eg at the bottom.

There is a prominent link to the tiddlywiki web site on the getting
started page..no need for me to reinvent what is already there...

>

> 2. I was interested in your discussion of open, closed and leaky systems,
> and it might be useful - in the tiddlers of both TiddlyWiki and FiddlyWiki
> to highlight how the TiddlyWiki platform is an excellent example of an open
> system - and also to include tiddlers on Open Source and Creative Commons

Thanks, It is an excellent open system approach I think. I have a
whole pile of stuff on open software that I took out of the
distributed version because I am still working on it including CC,
GNU, and open source. If I ever finish it, I'll include it in the
distro...
>

> 3. While I agree that YourSearchPlugin is a significant improvement on the

> core search, I find Morris Gray's TwHelpSearch Plugin -http://twhelp.tiddlyspot.com/#TwHelpSearchPluginis a significant

> improvement over YourSearchPlugin, particularly when editing a TW page.
>

[Eric Weir]

On 9/12/2008 Rich wrote:

> I need key word in context (KWIC) searching...because of what Ted
> Nelson calls the intertwingularity of large hypertexts.

Rich,

I wish you would say a little more about this. You speak of it as if we
will know what you're talking about. I do have intuitions, but they are
extremely vague. I'm intrigued. I suspect I'm in whole-hearted
agreement. But I'd like to know more.

Sincerely,
------------------------------------------------------------------------
Eric Weir
Decatur, GA USA
eew...@bellsouth.net

[Rich]

On Sep 12, 5:46 am, Eric Weir <eew...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
> On 9/12/2008 Rich wrote:
> >  I need key word in context (KWIC) searching...because of what Ted
> >  Nelson calls the intertwingularity of large hypertexts.
>
> Rich,
>
> I wish you would say a little more about this. You speak of it as if we
> will know what you're talking about. I do have intuitions, but they are
> extremely vague. I'm intrigued. I suspect I'm in whole-hearted
> agreement. But I'd like to know more.

I have been doing research with large bodies of text treated as
hypertext since the early nineties. One thing I noticed very early
(long before google or yahoo, and shortly before even web browsers and
html) was that the research projects I was interested in, being new,
did not have subject headings, the Library of Congress version of
tags. Since these were texts I was unfamiliar with, getting the title
of the page was not helpful, but I found KWIC systems, which are today
ubiquitous, made it possible to find meaningful patterns in these
large texts that no one had already thought of and marked up. The
idea of intertwingularity, which is Ted Nelson's (insane or brilliant
hypertext innovator, founder of project Xanadu) made up word, captures
this complexity and the inability for indexers/hypertext authors to
think of every relevant tag or subject heading. Anyone who has ever
tried to do a cold search in a Library Of Congress catalog by their
subject headings has run in to the problem of intertwingularity.
basically it means that there are probably more ways of indexing a
text than there are words in the text! At some point you just need
another way through, which for me (and google!) is Key Word in
Context. That way you search on _your_ idea instead of the indexer's,
and the results are meaningful because you see the term you searched
for and a few lines before and after it to see what it means in
context.

There is a section in FiddlyWiki on this and some other things I would
like to see hypertext do (chunking and urls that could go to searched
text on a web page instead of having to have an anchor among them) if
you are interested...see the somewhat facetiously named "how to read
hypertext" in FiddlyWiki.

BTW the KWIC is not new with google. Concordances do this and they
have been around for a long time, even non-computed ones.

Hope that explains a little...

~Rich

[Eric Weir]

On 9/12/2008 Rich wrote:

> At some point you just need
> another way through, which for me (and google!) is Key Word in
> Context. That way you search on _your_ idea instead of the indexer's,
> and the results are meaningful because you see the term you searched
> for and a few lines before and after it to see what it means in
> context.

So what is it about TiddlyWiki that is so attractive to you in this
regard? You mentioned on search feature enhancement plugin as being
better adapted to this use, but I was under the impression it was
something that you came across only recently. Or is it primarily what
makes TiddlyWiki attractive.

I agree with your comments on tagging. That was one of the reasons I
liked -- actually, still like -- InfoSelect. No tagging necessary. Just
start the search function, start typing, and you can see it narrowing
down the matches until it gets to the unique one you're looking for --
or maybe a few which are easily inspected. Coupled with the capability
of organizing notes and files hierarchically, it is very simple and very
robust. Just wish the developers would give in a create a Linux or OSX
version.

> There is a section in FiddlyWiki on this and some other things I would
> like to see hypertext do (chunking and urls that could go to searched
> text on a web page instead of having to have an anchor among them) if
> you are interested...see the somewhat facetiously named "how to read
> hypertext" in FiddlyWiki.

I'll check it out. I checked out KWIC in Wikipedia. For something that's
supposed to be so intuitive it's pretty geeky.

Thanks,

[Rich]

On Sep 12, 11:20 am, Eric Weir <eew...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
> On 9/12/2008 Rich wrote:
> >  At some point you just need
> >  another way through, which for me (and google!) is Key Word in
> >  Context.  That way you search on _your_ idea instead of the indexer's,
> >  and the results are meaningful because you see the term you searched
> >  for and a few lines before and after it to see what it means in
> >  context.
>
> So what is it about TiddlyWiki that is so attractive to you in this
> regard? You mentioned on search feature enhancement plugin as being
> better adapted to this use, but I was under the impression it was
> something that you came across only recently. Or is it primarily what
> makes TiddlyWiki attractive.

Actually the KWIC function is part of yoursearch, not
TiddlyWiki...what I like about TiddlyWiki is actually how much you can
"fiddle" with it (hence the name) to get it to do what you want it
to. I also like the idea of writing an html page more or less
transparently...if the edit box disappeared and you could just type in
Fiddlywiki like in a word processed doc I'd be thrilled. THere are
som ehypertext programs that work this way, but they don't output
html, which is a more or less standard for publishing on the web. But
not having to save an html doc then open it to view in a browser is
great. I think ultimately wysiwyg will do away with the distinction
between editing and viewing, just having maybe some sort of lock mode
for publishing.

>
> I agree with your comments on tagging. That was one of the reasons I
> liked -- actually, still like -- InfoSelect. No tagging necessary. Just
> start the search function, start typing, and you can see it narrowing
> down the matches until it gets to the unique one you're looking for --
> or maybe a few which are easily inspected. Coupled with the capability
> of organizing notes and files hierarchically, it is very simple and very
> robust. Just wish the developers would give in a create a Linux or OSX
> version.
>

I'll have to check out InfoSelect

> >  There is a section in FiddlyWiki on this and some other things I would
> >  like to see hypertext do (chunking and urls that could go to searched
> >  text on a web page instead of having to have an anchor among them) if
> >  you are interested...see the somewhat facetiously named "how to read
> >  hypertext" in FiddlyWiki.
>
> I'll check it out. I checked out KWIC in Wikipedia. For something that's
> supposed to be so intuitive it's pretty geeky.

maybe it is intuitive to geeks :^) I don't know how intuitive it is,
but it has been very useful for me. To give an example, I wrote an
article (it and others are at http://way.net/rcr if you are
interested) on WEB DuBois's classic book, _Souls of Black Folk_ (full
text with music at http://way.net/SoulsOfBlackFolk). I was
interested, among other things, in his ideas on consciousness, so I
ran the text of the book through a concordance and pulled up all the
instances of "consciousness" in a KWIC hypertext and was able to find
patterns in what DuBois was saying that no one had noticed before. It
was actually pretty non-intuitive, as the whole thing was run on dos
with line commands. But it was really useful in finding non-obvious
patterns in the body of the text and getting the gist of what they
meant quickly.

~Rich

[wolfgang]

Hi Rich and Morris,

> > Also I would suggest placing the right hand side bar tabs slider into
> > the SideBarTabs shadowed tiddler and style it as the SideBarOption
> > tiddler. Since, especially with a serif font, its content becomes so
> > small and difficult to read.
> >

> I am not sure I understand about putting the tab slider from sidebar
> in to sidebar options, but perhaps changing the font solves the
> problem?
>

I meant it for example as it is done at TiddlyWiki com:

http://www.tiddlywiki.com/#StyleSheet%20PageTemplate

But changing the font size did already improve it much.

> > I see the problem with the popup scrolling back up, but have no idea
> > how to fix it. Can anyone help on this?
>
> It is TiddlersBarPlugin causing the problem it is discussed here.http://tinyurl.com/6yczxs
>
> It's this line of code near the bottom it the plugin.
>
> ensureVisible=function (e) {return 0} //disable bottom scrolling (not
> useful now)
>
> You can temporarily fix the problem by deleting that line, saving and
> reloading. You are using OpenTopPlugin which will take the place of
> that line for opening at the top until the author finds another fix
> for it.

OpenTopPlugin has the additional nice effect of moving the clicked tab
to the end of all tabs (would love to rearrange tabs as with tabbed
browsing, but haven't found a way with RearrangeTiddlersPlugin yet).

However, it thereby also has the bad sideeffect of annihilating any
changes made to tiddlers in edit mode (one of the advantages of
TiddlersBarPlugin: enabling editing of multibles tiddlers at once
without having to scroll back and forth).

> ... until the author finds another fix for it.

Well, guess I can live with that small bug.

Regards,

W.