Lost work on Tiddlyspot

[melmo]

Hi- I'm brand new at this.

I got started on MonkeyGTD yesterday, saving to a Tiddlyspot account.
I created some tiddlers at work, then left my browser open and left
for the day. When I got home I added more tiddlers on my home
computer and saved them. When I returned this morning to work I came
back to my open browser window from last night and without thinking
saved to web. Now I have no record of any of the work I did last
night and am a bit frustrated. I'm excited by the ideas of a wiki but
don't want to invest in putting important information if it isn't
(minimally) foolproof and stable.

1) Is there a way to retrieve those lost tiddlers?

2) What are the best practices to ensure multiple backups, etc. so
that I can revert if need be?

Thanks!

[Steve Brettell]

I'm looking forward to an answer on this too.  I had a hard disk crash, and lost my desktop, and can't figure out how to find the Tiddlyspot stuff I uploaded.

Steve

[Robert Mark Bram]

Hi All,

> I'm looking forward to an answer on this too. I had a hard disk crash, and
> lost my desktop, and can't figure out how to find the Tiddlyspot stuff I
> uploaded.

Here is what I do.

Local backups.
- I turn on the the SaveBackups and AutoSave options.
- To limit the number of backup files created, I have the LessBackups
plugin. http://mptw.tiddlyspot.com/#LessBackupsPlugin
- This means I always have at least the last 200 or so edits saved as
individual files.

Online.
- My tiddly wikis are all on tiddly spot (i.e. they have these
plugins: TspotSetupPlugin and UploadPlugin) so periodically throughout
the day I click "upload" so the latest version of my work is now
online.

Non-local backup.
- I have a script (DOS batch file that runs an ANT task) that copies
my latest tiddly wikis into a zip file and copies the zip onto my USB
stick. I run this periodically throughout the day as well.
- This way, I have copies that survive my machine getting toasted. :)

Rob
:)

[Steve Brettell]

All that said, when you get to TiddlySpot, how do you find what you uploaded?  When I put in "MyName.Tiddlyspot.com/backup," I get a 404 error.  Any combination seems to get the same responce.

[Robert Mark Bram]

Hi Steve,

> All that said, when you get to TiddlySpot, how do you find what you
> uploaded? When I put in "MyName.Tiddlyspot.com/backup," I get a
> 404 error. Any combination seems to get the same responce.

There is no backup on TiddlySpot - it contains a single file only i.e.
the one you most recently downloaded. You have to backup on your own
disk only.

Rob
:)

[Simon Baird]

There is actually. It's not well documented.  We keep some backups at this url:
http://siteid.tiddlyspot.com/backup/
If you get a 404 then perhaps you've forgotten your site id. What do you think it is? (by email if you prefer).

Simon.

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simon...@gmail.com

[Robert Mark Bram]

> > There is no backup on TiddlySpot

> There is actually.

*quietly sits in corner, eating own words*

[Steve Brettell]

So, what is the point of uploading? Where does that go, and how can the
uploaded files be accessed?

Steve

[Steve Brettell]

Simon Baird wrote:
> On Thu, May 22, 2008 at 12:56 PM, Robert Mark Bram
> <robertm...@gmail.com <mailto:robertm...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>
>
> Hi Steve,
>
> > All that said, when you get to TiddlySpot, how do you find what you
> > uploaded? When I put in "MyName.Tiddlyspot.com/backup,

> <http://MyName.Tiddlyspot.com/backup,>" I get a

> > 404 error. Any combination seems to get the same responce.
>
> There is no backup on TiddlySpot - it contains a single file only i.e.
> the one you most recently downloaded. You have to backup on your own
> disk only.
>
>
> There is actually. It's not well documented. We keep some backups at
> this url:
> http://siteid.tiddlyspot.com/backup/
> If you get a 404 then perhaps you've forgotten your site id. What do
> you think it is? (by email if you prefer).
>
> Simon.
>
> --

> simon...@gmail.com <mailto:simon...@gmail.com>
> >
One of them was Gingermason.Tiddlyspot.com, and another was
stevesite.tiddlyspot.com
Thank you for your consideration on this.

I'm hoping to set up a file for poems from my daughter. She died a year
ago, and I want to be able to share the poems and paintings that I found
recently on a portable hard drive with her mother and friends and
family. There's a lot of them, and I don't want to lose them after a
lot of data entry.

Most of my problem is ignorance. I've only recently gotten into (after
using home computers since the Timex Sinclair was state of the art)
trying to build things on my own, and I don't even speak the language.
I'm having fun, but the frustration level is sometimes high. Developers
and documentors in the open source world, particularly, (and, shudder,
Linux, which I'm exploring) assume a level of knowledge that is WAY over
my own. So I stumble around.

Steve

[Simon Baird]

On Thu, May 22, 2008 at 9:49 PM, Steve Brettell <sbre...@gmail.com> wrote:

Simon Baird wrote:
> On Thu, May 22, 2008 at 12:56 PM, Robert Mark Bram

> <robertm...@gmail.com <mailto:robertm...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>
>

One of them was Gingermason.Tiddlyspot.com, and another was
stevesite.tiddlyspot.com
Thank you for your consideration on this.

Okay. Firstly there is no gingermason. So you've got the name wrong. I found a couple of other ginger* sites. I will email those to you in case one of them is yours.

Secondly stevesite is there but it looks like you don't have any useful data in there. When you download your tiddlyspot and work on it locally then you have to click 'upload' once in a while to put your data back up on the tiddlyspot site. Perhaps you have not been doing that.

I'm having fun, but the frustration level is sometimes high.  Developers
and documentors in the open source world, particularly, (and, shudder,
Linux, which I'm exploring) assume a level of knowledge that is WAY over
my own.  So I stumble around.

It's one of the least admirable things about TiddlyWiki. I might get in trouble here but perhaps TiddlyWiki isn't the best solution for you. You might consider using GooglePages or starting a blog at blogger.com or wordpress.com.

Simon.

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simon...@gmail.com

[Simon Baird]

On Thu, May 22, 2008 at 12:02 AM, melmo <cpme...@gmail.com> wrote:

saved to web.  Now I have no record of any of the work I did last
night and am a bit frustrated.  I'm excited by the ideas of a wiki but
don't want to invest in putting important information if it isn't
(minimally) foolproof and stable.

It's a lesson that most TiddlyWiki users learn the hard way. TiddlyWiki will save blindy over more recent changes. Tiddlyspot is the same.

1) Is there a way to retrieve those lost tiddlers?

Visit http://yoursideid.tiddlyspot.com/backup/

If you're lucky you can find your content there. Try to import it using backstage/import.
 

2) What are the best practices to ensure multiple backups, etc. so
that I can revert if need be?

See good suggestions from Robert on this list. Also, remember if you've edited your site elsewhere then do a shift-reload (or a fresh download) before you start editing your site where you are now. This way you aren't working with an old version and you won't clobber recent changes when you upload/save to web. Think of a TiddlyWiki file more like a document and less like a conventional wiki.


Simon.

--
simon...@gmail.com

[Simon Baird]

:) don't worry. we try to keep it on the quiet so people don't rely on it and become complacent about keeping backups of their own.. or start to demand more and older backups on Tiddlyspot...

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simon...@gmail.com

[Robert Mark Bram]

Hi Steve,

> > I'm having fun, but the frustration level is sometimes high. Developers
> > and documentors in the open source world, particularly, (and, shudder,
> > Linux, which I'm exploring) assume a level of knowledge that is WAY over
> > my own. So I stumble around.
>
> It's one of the least admirable things about TiddlyWiki. I might get in
> trouble here but perhaps TiddlyWiki isn't the best solution for you. You
> might consider using GooglePages or starting a blog at blogger.com or
> wordpress.com.

For setting up a site with images and words to share with family, I
highly recommend blogger.com. The interface is relatively easy to use
and it automatically creates a picasa account for (if you don't
already have one) to store images. I use blogger.com myself, though I
have been lazy in putting updates in the last few months.

Rob
:)

[Steve Brettell]

Thanks, Rob.

Steve